Guild Wars 2

Why don’t you try 25/0/25/20/0
you can use signet of fire for burning and get arcane power to make sure it’s crit and go for more power, and maybe only 1 ele should have the LH utility, whilst the other one can go for arcane blast to stack might?
You can start by using 2 in the FGS, then 4 then 3, that should make him burned for a while.

No time to use Signet of Fire.
Though, getting it done faster isn’t about adding damage at all.

Bismuth.3165:

Why don’t you try 25/0/25/20/0
you can use signet of fire for burning and get arcane power to make sure it’s crit and go for more power, and maybe only 1 ele should have the LH utility, whilst the other one can go for arcane blast to stack might?
You can start by using 2 in the FGS, then 4 then 3, that should make him burned for a while.

Because +250 precison, +35% critical damage and around 40 stacks of vuln in phase 1 are better than +250 power and 1.1025 dmg modifier in this case. Your idea lacks lightning flash as well.

haviz.1340:

Your idea lacks lightning flash as well.

I’m not getting why you used lightning flash, only reason i can find is to teleport back while doing fiery whirl and giving the whirl it’s full potential, but on the video the moment you do lightning flash you do insane damage and you’re not even doing any of the skills?
250 precision isn’t that necessary with arcane power and a little bit of luck, we’re basically arguing over 35% crit damage against 250 power and 10% more damage

Without flash you’ll do about ~48 ticks, with it – ~70. Why would you use arcane power at all, it’s a waste of utility slot?

Bismuth.3165:

haviz.1340:

Your idea lacks lightning flash as well.

I’m not getting why you used lightning flash, only reason i can find is to teleport back while doing fiery whirl and giving the whirl it’s full potential, but on the video the moment you do lightning flash you do insane damage and you’re not even doing any of the skills?
250 precision isn’t that necessary with arcane power and a little bit of luck, we’re basically arguing over 35% crit damage against 250 power and 10% more damage

If you time your Lightning Flash with your Fiery Rush, you’ll do all the procs in the same spot. It’s semi-difficult to get the timing right, but I haven’t tried it that much yet, but I imagine that if you practice it a bit, it shouldn’t be too hard.

haviz.1340:

Without flash you’ll do about ~48 ticks, with it – ~70. Why would you use arcane power at all, it’s a waste of utility slot?

lack of crit chance, next 5 attacks do crit damage

You don’t even have to time it right, especially on big targets, just teleport behind yourself.

Bismuth.3165:

lack of crit chance

For 5 attacks? Do you realize you do >70 attacks in 4 seconds?

haviz.1340:

Bismuth.3165:

lack of crit chance

For 5 attacks? Do you realize you do >70 attacks in 4 seconds?

oh, then yeah, your build is better.

Guardian 7:30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0FOHcUQYpM

It’s 80 attacks if they all hit. Guang and I tested it in game.

When i tested it a few month ago on howling king, it was 70 ticks. And that test was probably more reliable than any other, since i don’t know another boss that stands exaclty inside you and has a huge hit circle.

just asking, how did you guys know it was 70 or 80, did you use the thing in the chat that tells how much damage you did and then counted them

Yes.

We tested it in the mists against my Guardian with Protection and Retaliation, and we were able to calculate the amount of hits by seeing how much damage it did to me and how much damage it did to Guang’s ele. So I don’t see the Howling King being more reliable than that.

It must have burned guangs health down completely.
382 * 80 = 30560 (Berserker Set) or 250 * 80 = 20000 (Base Power).
I don’t really see how thats a reliable test.

Probably wouldn’t test with berserker sets on either in pvp arena. In fact, just don’t equip an amulet at all, and don’t use any traits at all and the damage would be significantly lower.

We did not use Berserker’s stats.

Guardian Solo 7:05
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9QoRsgv07c

Guang would have taken 20k damage flat if Brazil did not have an amulet.

Hopefully Guang can show up so he can provide all of the deets.

Its too complicated for us trolls to understand.

spoj.9672:

Its too complicated for us trolls to understand.

Retaliation deals 192 + 0.075 * Power (from the one who applied it) damage per damage received. If Brazil as Guardian had no amulet, he would have had base power of 916. 0.075 * 916 = 68. 192 + 68 = 250.
So guang received 250 damage per fiery rush hit, with 80 hits thats 20.000 damage.

That using the damage dealt as indicator for the amount isn’t very reliable shouldn’t even be to debate. It wouldn’t even be very accurate if guang had 100% critchance.

First of all, retal deals 66% of stated in wiki damage. It’s 177 at 916 power.
Second of all, I’ve done 8 tests on golems, 2 tests on veteran risen giant. All 10 gave 68 hits in combat log and by counting frame by frame.
Lastly, I did test with retal in pvp. I had 15455 hp and after rush it changed to 3419. You can easily calcualte how many hits it is.

Maybe fgs is stronger on american servers?

looking frame by frame (recorded at 60 fps) at doing rushes on the targets in Lion’s Arch I’ve only been able to count 60-ish as well. not that that’s a more scientific test, since we know some skills have floater issues.

That’s why I made 3 different ways to count the number of hits. And all 3 of them returned same amount. The possibility that it’s not 68 is very slim.

haviz.1340:

First of all, retal deals 66% of stated in wiki damage. It’s 177 at 916 power.

That would mean… Risen Illusionists have like 3.5k Power?

In pvp.

They have hard bass power.

My rampager engi solo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2-f4oB0fZ4&lc=cIJGAQNSo206O5xWplxLe2Z0ibZW7o8aq3R-VXZEJT0

Slow, bad RNG. I’m sure i could do this at least 2-4 minutes faster with a different setup&less fails. Maybe i’ll try the HIGH build w/ berserker gear+might runes if i can give up Toolkit. Can’t be bothered now though. Ranger solo is next, then Ele.

You can use this if you like and if not w.e

Did that a while back and it took roughly 17 mins to do.

Emanuel.9781:

My rampager engi solo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2-f4oB0fZ4&lc=cIJGAQNSo206O5xWplxLe2Z0ibZW7o8aq3R-VXZEJT0

Slow, bad RNG. I’m sure i could do this at least 2-4 minutes faster with a different setup&less fails. Maybe i’ll try the HIGH build w/ berserker gear+might runes if i can give up Toolkit. Can’t be bothered now though. Ranger solo is next, then Ele.

Toss Elexir U is great. Berserker with Scholar Runes is the way to go.

Can’t forget the record for slowest…. only 37min…
http://youtu.be/nEC2CmIcBD8

obal.3218:

Can’t forget the record for slowest…. only 37min…
http://youtu.be/nEC2CmIcBD8

I believe some 5-men pugs have already beaten that time. I even needed 20 minutes once in a pug where i stopped moving when Lupicus was at 40% (since they ranged him).

obal.3218:

Can’t forget the record for slowest…. only 37min…
http://youtu.be/nEC2CmIcBD8

mine will be the slowest warrior solo if I ever get it done

We need to have a record for a fight with atleast 25 stacks of empowered lupi or something like that, and no using mesmer he just makes everything easier with his feedback.

A mesmer doesn’t make lupicus easier at all.

Dub.1273:

A mesmer doesn’t make lupicus easier at all.

Don’t be dumb. Mesmer = don’t have to dodge AoE’s = less knowledge of how to avoid things = easier.

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

Dub.1273:

A mesmer doesn’t make lupicus easier at all.

Don’t be dumb. Mesmer = don’t have to dodge AoE’s = less knowledge of how to avoid things = easier.

I believe whoever is able to stand under lupicus feet, relying on the mesmer to set feedback, should also be able to use an invulnerability skill or two dodges.
Those who can’t melee die regardless of a mesmer, a guardian helps more in that case. And people at range won’t even notice the mesmer at all.

Dub.1273:

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

Dub.1273:

A mesmer doesn’t make lupicus easier at all.

Don’t be dumb. Mesmer = don’t have to dodge AoE’s = less knowledge of how to avoid things = easier.

I believe whoever is able to stand under lupicus feet, relying on the mesmer to set feedback, should also be able to use an invulnerability skill or two dodges.
Those who can’t melee die regardless of a mesmer, a guardian helps more in that case. And people at range won’t even notice the mesmer at all.

I guess easier isn’t a word you understand

Easier for an average pug? They range. Easier for us who can speedclear lupicus onehanded? Not at all. But yeah, there might be a group consisting of three firsttimers, a mesmer and an experienced guardian who is attempting to melee lupicus. The mesmer indeed makes phase 2 easier whereas the guardian protects the party in phase 1.

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What is easier? Standing still, no need to have your hands on your mouse or keyboard, or having to dodge/block? It’s a no brainer. Mesmer makes it easier, it’s illogical to argue otherwise.

My point is that there isn’t much that can be made easier in phase 2, at least for me. And a mesmers feedback doesn’t affect phase 3 at all (recharge).

Well.. even with 4 dodges on every single aoe in phase 2 sometimes you just get bad luck and get hit with projectiles in between dodges. To have that entire attack nullified for every party member and have them being able to stand there autoattacking instead of dodging and hoping for the best… it’s not only easier but it’s simply better in every way.

Feedback doesn’t nessecarily protect from all projectiles.
And yeah, i can agree with “better”, “faster”, “requiring less effort”, just not with “easier” (considering the whole fight, not just phase 2).

Aside from that, if you aren’t in a group with 2 people and 3 illusions under the feedback with a max damage build, you aren’t getting him past phase 2 in one go. When the second aoe strikes feedback is on cd, and we have to rely on either a dice roll with a well timed warden or dodge just like anyone else.

Dub.1273:

Feedback doesn’t nessecarily protect from all projectiles.
And yeah, i can agree with “better”, “faster”, “requiring less effort”, just not with “easier” (considering the whole fight, not just phase 2).

Does if Mes isn’t slow + you’re positioned properly. Also, you really don’t understand the word.

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

Dub.1273:

Feedback doesn’t nessecarily protect from all projectiles.
And yeah, i can agree with “better”, “faster”, “requiring less effort”, just not with “easier” (considering the whole fight, not just phase 2).

Does if Mes isn’t slow + you’re positioned properly. Also, you really don’t understand the word.

Even if you’re right in the middle of the dome there’s still a small chance of taking damage. And yeah, i might have a different consideration of “easier”.

Wtf did you do to your NA warrior btw, dat helmet ._.

Frankly I don’t see how getting in the middle of a feedback is any easier than putting your shield up to block everything x.x maybe I’m just not sure about what situation we are talking about.