Guild Wars 2

Anet fix your kittening mossman underwater exploit kitten .

kolompi.1287:

Anet fix your kittening mossman underwater exploit kitten .

As boring as i find this exploit, why do you care ? Just don’t do it. They’ll probably fix it when HoT ships in.

Don’t roll swamp?

if you don’t want to kill mossman in the water, then don’t do it?

Though yeah, i don’t understand why anet just doesn’t have mossman use his spear underwater. he has attacks and everything. he just doesn’t use them.

Right click → kick from party/leave party.

If Pugs cannot kill mossman normally then they can’t probably kill anything else normally and it’d be easier to find a new party.

kolompi.1287:

Anet fix your kittening mossman underwater exploit kitten .

If you don’t like it – make party by yourself. If you think that your opinion is more important than party opinion – enjoy your kick.

Kordash.2197:

kolompi.1287:

Anet fix your kittening mossman underwater exploit kitten .

As boring as i find this exploit, why do you care ? Just don’t do it. They’ll probably fix it when HoT ships in.

Why i care is because in the rare cases i do pug, i have to either a) leave the party when they do it underwater, or b) explain that you know we could just do it properly.

It is a bug, an exploit, it should be fixed, right?

Arietta The Broken.1875:

Don’t roll swamp?

Yep, a really great idea. People are stupid and exploit a bug anet left in their precious game so i should not do the swamp. This makes so much sense it hurts.

Arietta The Broken.1875:

Don’t roll swamp?

Swamp is a nice read out of what to expect of the run actually.

Also, what Taku said.

This game is complete garbage but I didn’t realize the dungeon forums were going with it, what the hell is wrong with you thinking that people bugging mossman somehow takes priority if that’s what people want. Anet needs to get their kitten together and make these bads realize just how awful they are at the game before raids/upcoming fractals are released, majority of the playerbase relying on exploits to get past lupi, mai trin and mossman. Arguably hardest bosses in the game, maybe they haven’t patched it because they know how terrible their players are that it would cause people to stop doing fractals.

I mean think about that, those people would legitimately stop doing fractals or just buy the runs because they are too awful to do the content themselves, only in gw2 is this possible what a great game.

Rednik.3809:

kolompi.1287:

Anet fix your kittening mossman underwater exploit kitten .

If you don’t like it – make party by yourself. If you think that your opinion is more important than party opinion – enjoy your kick.

I made the party myself, i would much rather they fix their kitten if they look at fractals as some kind of dungeon replacement which needs its own masteries and such.

Besides, i’ve seen at least half a dozen mossman exploits from standing beneath his shack through standing on trees all the way to this underwater rubbish.

Three darn years in and anet is unable to fix this?

Evapor.6849:

This game is complete garbage but I didn’t realize the dungeon forums were going with it, what the hell is wrong with you thinking that people bugging mossman somehow takes priority if that’s what people want. Anet needs to get their kitten together and make these bads realize just how awful they are at the game before raids/upcoming fractals are released, majority of the playerbase relying on exploits to get past lupi, mai trin and mossman. Arguably hardest bosses in the game, maybe they haven’t patched it because they know how terrible their players are that it would cause people to stop doing fractals.

I mean think about that, those people would legitimately stop doing fractals or just buy the runs because they are too awful to do the content themselves, only in gw2 is this possible what a great game.

Hell yeah! We need raids, right? When most of the content is being glitched through by everyone instead of learning a few mechanics. When HoT hits, this forum here will be full to the brim with whining about too difficult content.

Evapor.6849:

majority of the playerbase relying on exploits to get past mai trin

wat

If you’ve read my previous posts you’d know im completely against any new content with how broken things are in the live game, besides i’m not even hyped for raids because having 10 people in my instance means I have even less responsibility with how things turn out, and given anets track record to disappoint i’m going to go ahead and take a wild guess and say raids will be the exact same as the current dungeons with double the hp on mobs and another 5 people in my instance.

Evapor.6849:

If you’ve read my previous posts you’d know im completely against any new content with how broken things are in the live game, besides i’m not even hyped for raids because having 10 people in my instance means I have even less responsibility with how things turn out, and given anets track record to disappoint i’m going to go ahead and take a wild guess and say raids will be the exact same as the current dungeons with double the hp on mobs and another 5 people in my instance.

Why you are playing mmo then?

Evapor.6849:

If you’ve read my previous posts you’d know im completely against any new content with how broken things are in the live game, besides i’m not even hyped for raids because having 10 people in my instance means I have even less responsibility with how things turn out, and given anets track record to disappoint i’m going to go ahead and take a wild guess and say raids will be the exact same as the current dungeons with double the hp on mobs and another 5 people in my instance.

Pretty much sums it up.

This will be fixed in HoT I am pretty sure. They are definitely aware of it, but the issue is his leashing behavior is trouble and they can’t sink a lot of time into it right now.

Enko.6123:

Though yeah, i don’t understand why anet just doesn’t have mossman use his spear underwater. he has attacks and everything. he just doesn’t use them.

They forgot to do that few years ago, and nobody told them since.

I’m not bothered by mossman exploit, but the archdiviner one. My pug party wiped around 12 times for that stupid exploit where you stack on top of the wall, we could have done it 3 times allready normal way. When i suggested normal way they acted as if i insulted everybody’s mum.

Oxidia.8103:

I’m not bothered by mossman exploit, but the archdiviner one. My pug party wiped around 12 times for that stupid exploit where you stack on top of the wall, we could have done it 3 times allready normal way. When i suggested normal way they acted as if i insulted everybody’s mum.

Hah, this happened to me the other day. They tried every exploit in the book on every fractal, and still managed to wipe over and over when standing on that silly rock.

For the most part pug’s are wanting to get through content the quickest and easiest way possible so it’s not at all unusual behavior for lazy players to want to abuse bugs like this. As mentioned before, start your own group if you don’t want to run exploits with very clear directions on your intent. Beyond that, if you are continuously not able to find people willing to go along with you join a guild that fits your playstyle (gasp!).

Saying that the game is complete garbage for exploits like this? Well, that’s personal opinion. The devs have made it pretty clear that their focus has been on other items other than PvE instances. They’re always working on Seasonal Events, Living Story, the new maps, and their entire focus right now is on HoT. So something as small (in their eyes) as exploited encounters isn’t on their radar right how.

However, the next ‘update’ packages we’re getting are going to be Raids and Re-vamped Fractals which means bugs that have been on-going for months/years will finally get the attention they’ve been long overdue in those particular areas.

Personally, I look forward to the Raids given they’re supposed to provide challenging content. I’m sure they’ll be bugs (just like everything else), but the new content hopefully should be able to weed out those who just follow guides/sploits vs those who know the game and can more quickly think on their feet.

How to fix: Remove the water – just make it into a hallway/tunnel rather than a river to swim through.

It is cheezy though. While I’d rather do things legit I just tend to follow the group if it isn’t my group.

Be the first to leeroy into the mosscave. Thats how you herd your party. It always works.

Rednik.3809:

Evapor.6849:

majority of the playerbase relying on exploits to get past mai trin

wat

You can rezzrush her without her resetting, which obviously isn’t intended.

EcoRI.9273:

Be the first to leeroy into the mosscave. Thats how you herd your party. It always works.

“Great we got Mossy again. What do our odds of successful look like for this?”
“We got a solid 55.7% chance of success here.”
“There’s a Necro on the team…”
“Shoot that drops us down to 17.3%”
“Better just fight him underwater then.”

NovaanVerdiano.6174:

Rednik.3809:

Evapor.6849:

majority of the playerbase relying on exploits to get past mai trin

wat

You can rezzrush her without her resetting, which obviously isn’t intended.

Aye, honestly I actually prefer the other method, whoever is feeling extra lazy that day sits alive outside the room, when everyone dies they get a “return” prompt and pops right back into the room >.<, at least apparently they fixed her skip (at least I’m told, I haven’t tried it).

For mossman, one of my groups will use any tricks to make things easier/faster. I don’t particularly like it but good company so I just go along. It’s kinda sad because they are or at least were capable of doing everything legit but simply got lazy. I don’t see them as bad players as much as I see ANet letting the players down by allowing these things to persist. Not only do we not have good challenging content, but I feel we’re almost encouraged to make things even easier.

why did u write this thread in trashcan subforum instead of bug subforum?

Find a couple friends you enjoy playing with, that play the way you want, and do the run, if pugs come, they have to do it the legit way. And gods willing, they’ll realize how much faster it can be, and how much better it is overall.

My friends and I do get those who complain about not letting mai die n such, but they still go with it because they know we’re better than most pug groups they’ll find.

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EcoRI.9273:

Be the first to leeroy into the mosscave. Thats how you herd your party. It always works.

Enko.6123:

if you don’t want to kill mossman in the water, then don’t do it?

Though yeah, i don’t understand why anet just doesn’t have mossman use his spear underwater. he has attacks and everything. he just doesn’t use them.

Actually he does use his spear. The exploit is cause by Mossman teleporting to the player underwater when he is on land. This bypasses Mossman’s AI for pulling out his spear and causes him to stick with his axe. Anet likely will fix it with HoT and its not like people can’t put in their LFGs saying “mossman on land”

I was kicked for running into the mossman room while the pugs where underwater, fix pls.

kolompi.1287:

Anet fix your kittening mossman underwater exploit kitten .

Rerolling to Swamp is pretty exploity, why draw the line at UW and not the reroll? They both are bad and will be fixed when HoT releases.

Embrace The Bold.7619:

Enko.6123:

if you don’t want to kill mossman in the water, then don’t do it?

Though yeah, i don’t understand why anet just doesn’t have mossman use his spear underwater. he has attacks and everything. he just doesn’t use them.

Actually he does use his spear. The exploit is cause by Mossman teleporting to the player underwater when he is on land. This bypasses Mossman’s AI for pulling out his spear and causes him to stick with his axe. Anet likely will fix it with HoT and its not like people can’t put in their LFGs saying “mossman on land”

you could also just CC him to get him to pull his spear out

Why not just give the mossman some nice scary skills for underwater combat?

TheBlackLeech.9360:

Why not just give the mossman some nice scary skills for underwater combat?

he has underwater skills already.

Sublimatio.6981:

why did u write this thread in trashcan subforum instead of bug subforum?

Yeah i realized my error only after a few hours.

Ven Zehn.6573:

Find a couple friends you enjoy playing with, that play the way you want, and do the run, if pugs come, they have to do it the legit way. And gods willing, they’ll realize how much faster it can be, and how much better it is overall.

My friends and I do get those who complain about not letting mai die n such, but they still go with it because they know we’re better than most pug groups they’ll find.

I have a guild i do fractals with, only one was available at the time. Thanks for the solution but how is that solution a solution to the mossman exploit? I think arenanet should fix that one.

Meanwhile, I keep spamming Anet with exploit reports and screenshots to remind them about the glitch, and to shame those perpetrators.

the fun part is the “Pro zerk only :2eles, 1 war, 1 guard 1 thief” killing it on water when on land is soo much faster.

I alway put “lvl no bug moss”, and surprisingly i alway have people joined immediately, this is when i mostly play around 2-3am central time zone. So i guess there are plenty of people out there who absolutely hate bugging moss

You gotta make your own party and enforce the rule, and even then what you find in PuGs is that it will take 20+ minutes to fill a fractal 50 LFG that says “no bugged mossman”.

So saying “leave the party and make your own” is nice and all, but the truth is that the vast majority of the pugging fractal 50 community has built an expectation of bugging mossman and WILL NOT do him properly, and you will have trouble finding people to join your group in a timely manner to do him proper.

The whole PvE scene in GW2 is about convenience anyways. What gets the average pug group faster and more reliable results is what will be used even if their method is still suboptimal compared to a real meta group.

To be honest, if they fixed the kitten throwing axes from stealth and the kitten axes not bouncing from ranger pets and mesmer illusions, I think Mossman would be more frequently done by PuGs on land.

Continually toss CC’s on him, and drift up slightly towards the ceiling. These things can cause him to freak out and teleport back to his spawn. After a few times of that happening the group will almost always say “screw it lets fight on land” then you get to see a bunch of people who are completely out of practice doing it correctly eat axes to their faces while you laugh and cry

Zenith.7301:

You gotta make your own party and enforce the rule, and even then what you find in PuGs is that it will take 20+ minutes to fill a fractal 50 LFG that says “no bugged mossman”.

So saying “leave the party and make your own” is nice and all, but the truth is that the vast majority of the pugging fractal 50 community has built an expectation of bugging mossman and WILL NOT do him properly, and you will have trouble finding people to join your group in a timely manner to do him proper.

The whole PvE scene in GW2 is about convenience anyways. What gets the average pug group faster and more reliable results is what will be used even if their method is still suboptimal compared to a real meta group.

To be honest, if they fixed the kitten throwing axes from stealth and the kitten axes not bouncing from ranger pets and mesmer illusions, I think Mossman would be more frequently done by PuGs on land.

I’m pugging fractals 50 and 40 almost every day and 9 out of 10 of my pug groups do it on land. That said I’m usually only joining LFGs that are pretty strict with gearcheck and everything so that might be a factor. :<

Oxidia.8103:

I’m not bothered by mossman exploit, but the archdiviner one. My pug party wiped around 12 times for that stupid exploit where you stack on top of the wall, we could have done it 3 times allready normal way. When i suggested normal way they acted as if i insulted everybody’s mum.

This is so gold

In typical Arenanet fashion, they’ll let this type of crap go on for months, years even, before finally addressing the issue with a more than likely half baked solution.
Just look at things like CM mountaineering and Fiery Rush. It took them forever to fix those gigantic issues.

In my opinion, i think it all comes down to money. Does it directly impact Arenanets cash income in any significant manner? If the answer is no then it sits low on the priority list and constantly gets overwritten by other things Arenanet deems more important which is why it takes so long for some sort of fix.

Fixing bugs in dungeons/fractals goes a long way in making the content more enjoyable. Take the Ancient Ooze for example. So many plebs exploiting it on that dumb coral until anet fixed it. After players figured it out, they can actually do it without hiding behind some silly exploit… oh look, it wasn’t so bad after all.

Crying “oh anet dont’ care, we just want gold, blah blah” when encountering a legit complaint like fixing an exploit is just pathetic.

Enko.6123:

TheBlackLeech.9360:

Why not just give the mossman some nice scary skills for underwater combat?

he has underwater skills already.

I never said that he didn’t have any under water skills, and I have definitely never seen the mossman use anything under water that I could categorize as scary.

I’m sure if you close your eyes and try really hard you can imagine several hundred ways players could be kept out of the water, with varying degrees of success.

Obviously Anet has some aversion to implementing the teleport in/lockout feature used in so many other areas of the game (mai trinn, clockheart, old tom, molten duo, etc.) for this particular encounter…. unless they are just being lazy with their game fixes.

So if they are avoiding the obvious fix for some reason… why would it be out of the question to just have the Mossman destroy players in seconds once he enters the water?

Hell… he doesn’t even need to hit with an attack… he could apply something like THIS in an area of 5000 around him which only affects players who are under water.

Again…. like i said.
I’m sure you can use your imagination to find hundreds if not thousands of ways to keep players out of the water…

Maybe Anet will put a little more effort into it this time, instead of half-implementing it like the skelk “fix”.