Guild Wars 2

Long story short, I run a few different dungeon paths everyday that take anywhere from 20-30 minutes.

I have 2x 80s and 1x 52 right now, so run a couple 80 dungeons twice and AC path two 3 times a day.

Before tonight’s patch, I would always get 60 tokens per path per character and never experienced DR.

After tonight’s patch, I just ran 5 dungeon runs across my 3 chars. 2 on two different characters, and one on my 3rd character.

First 3 runs I got the normal 60 tokens, but last 2 runs I just did I only got 30 tokens. Is this intentional now?

Yep, so you cannot farm an armor in a day switching chars.
Curious, 60 then 30? no more 60 then 45?

nope never hit 45, straight to 30.

yeah i experienced same thing no 45, just straight to 30. 60 60 (i think?) 30 15 (might have been speed run DR, last 2 were cof)

JonPeters.5630:

Strifey.7215:

Long story short, I run a few different dungeon paths everyday that take anywhere from 20-30 minutes.

I have 2x 80s and 1x 52 right now, so run a couple 80 dungeons twice and AC path two 3 times a day.

Before tonight’s patch, I would always get 60 tokens per path per character and never experienced DR.

After tonight’s patch, I just ran 5 dungeon runs across my 3 chars. 2 on two different characters, and one on my 3rd character.

First 3 runs I got the normal 60 tokens, but last 2 runs I just did I only got 30 tokens. Is this intentional now?

Sounds like you are not even hitting the exploit code and in fact are just receiving half because you are running the same dungeon for a second time in a row without switching. This has in fact always been part of the system since day 1.

Jon

Thanks for the reply Jon, but something definitely changed. I have a routine I run everyday, that has never netted me less then 60 tokens since tokens became account bound last week. I did get the 30 tokens for running the same path, but on a different character. So it sounds like I may not be hitting DR, but a change went in that only gives you 60 tokens per path per account, instead of character like before?

I 100% switched characters, where before tonight’s patch I would also switch characters and get 60.

I only have 2 characters at 80, and ran hotw twice, immediately after each other. I am 100% sure I switched from my necro to my guardian just like every other day.

As you can see from the screenshot, I have 800 hotw tokens + another 100 on my necro and the 330 token chest already. I’ve run it enough to know what happened before and after today’s patch. This happened to other people in my guild group also whom it has never happened to before tonight’s patch.

So it was either an unintentional change or on purpose, because something definitely changed with the 60 token bonus.

I am just trying to find out if it’s intentional, and if it is, why?

Before the implementation of DR, we were only getting 20 odd tokens per run. in the first week, the system was killing it for us. the difference now is that before we get to the 20, we get 60, then 30… I’m yet to play since the patch but if this is how it works out i’ll be happy. as long as it never drops below 20 and i start getting bundles of 5 like what i got 50% of the time last week. if you’re used to 60 and nothing less, you were being affected by the bugs in the system in an unfairly generous way.

You are not completely understanding what he is saying.

He did these dungeons on separate characters. Thus no “exploit code” should be hit. If he wants to spend hours and hours doing dungeon runs on multiple characters he should not be consider exploiting. Alts are a matter of business for people these days, and having them and using them should not be considered an exploit.

That being said, the “exploit code” used to take you down by 25% per time, not 50%.

As I understand the way dungeon rewards are supposed to work..

Character A Runs Path 1 of Dungeon X = 60 Tokens
Character A Runs Path 2 of Dungeon X = 60 Tokens
Character B Runs Path 1 of Dungeon X = 60 Tokens
Character C Runs Path 1 of Dungeon X = 60 Tokens
Character C Runs Path 1 of Dungeon X = 20 Tokens
Character C Runs Path 1 of Dungeon X = 15 Tokens

Is this not correct?

Or are you saying the “exploit code” (your words not mine) will only “punish” you if you run the same path over and over again?

If just it was so easy to farm tokens… Forget it. It’s:
Character A Runs Path 1 of Dungeon X = 60 Tokens
Character A Runs Path 2 of Dungeon X = 60 Tokens
Character B Runs Path 1 of Dungeon X = 30 Tokens
Character C Runs Path 1 of Dungeon X = 15 Tokens
Character C Runs Path 1 of Dungeon X = 8 Tokens
Character C Runs Path 1 of Dungeon X = 2 Tokens

Lucas Ashrock.8675:

If just it was so easy to farm tokens… Forget it. It’s:
Character A Runs Path 1 of Dungeon X = 60 Tokens
Character A Runs Path 2 of Dungeon X = 60 Tokens
Character B Runs Path 1 of Dungeon X = 30 Tokens
Character C Runs Path 1 of Dungeon X = 15 Tokens
Character C Runs Path 1 of Dungeon X = 8 Tokens
Character C Runs Path 1 of Dungeon X = 2 Tokens

this is correct.

Its 20 + 40 bonus for each path ran once per day.
then 20, followed by even less for repeated same path.
And this IS account, not per char.

I thought it was (not speedrunning):

Character A Runs Path 1 of Dungeon X = 60 Tokens
Character A Runs Path 2 of Dungeon X = 60 Tokens
Character B Runs Path 1 of Dungeon X = 20 Tokens
Character C Runs Path 1 of Dungeon X = 20 Tokens
Character C Runs Path 1 of Dungeon X = 20 Tokens
Character C Runs Path 1 of Dungeon X = 20 Tokens

if that’s the case it’s cross account then. I would be very happy to get 60 then 30 tokens regardless of if i changed characters or stayed on the same one. the part that bothers me is that if choose to stick on path one if say i’ve cleared the others and just want to keep repeating to go towards the armour once the initial bonus wears off… eventually i’ll be getting only 2 tokens per run despite my consistent efforts. I’d honestly be happy if rather than get 60 and down, we allways got a steady 20-30.

JonPeters.5630:

To answer the original point they are account bound. This was part of what was creating the strange bugs from last week so making them account bound has fixed a lot of the problems. It also addresses a concern of people exploiting and then circumventing using different characters.

Jon

Thanks for the confirmation then.

I’m disappointed that actually having 2 80s and wanting to run a dungeon twice a day for 120 tokens total is an “exploit” when a full armor set already costs ~1500 tokens and people took time to level alts to 80.

Just seems like an artificial time cap to prevent people from getting dungeon sets too fast even if they take time to level and gear an alt for the hardest PvE content in the game. It’s not like tokens are ruining the economy or being botted, so I don’t really see the point.

Lucas Ashrock.8675:

If just it was so easy to farm tokens… Forget it. It’s:
Character A Runs Path 1 of Dungeon X = 60 Tokens
Character A Runs Path 2 of Dungeon X = 60 Tokens
Character B Runs Path 1 of Dungeon X = 30 Tokens
Character C Runs Path 1 of Dungeon X = 15 Tokens
Character C Runs Path 1 of Dungeon X = 8 Tokens
Character C Runs Path 1 of Dungeon X = 2 Tokens

As a person that likes to have lots of alts i only ran Dungeons on my guard (mainly because it was geared) because i thought this is how Tokens were given out already,but from my understanding of what Jon said say you run Path 1 on character A =60 tokens then you run path 2 on character B= 60 tokens then run path 1 on B again (switching) would you get 60 or 30 now? :S

nvm saw the confirmation ~ that’s to bad.

kKagari.6804:

I thought it was (not speedrunning):

Character A Runs Path 1 of Dungeon X = 60 Tokens
Character A Runs Path 2 of Dungeon X = 60 Tokens
Character B Runs Path 1 of Dungeon X = 20 Tokens
Character C Runs Path 1 of Dungeon X = 20 Tokens
Character C Runs Path 1 of Dungeon X = 20 Tokens
Character C Runs Path 1 of Dungeon X = 20 Tokens

yeah, if you don’t do multiple 30min or less runs.

JonPeters.5630:

To answer the original point they are account bound. This was part of what was creating the strange bugs from last week so making them account bound has fixed a lot of the problems. It also addresses a concern of people exploiting and then circumventing using different characters.

Jon

Meaning do we still get 60 tokens

like

COF
path 1 – 60
path 2 – 60
path 3 – 60
even they are one after another ?

or

COF
path 1 – 60
then do Hotw path 1 – 60
then COF path 2 – 60 ?

can u explain in detail how this system should work? as ur not clearing stating the mechanism ?

So its confirmed the 15-8-2 is only for speed running? Repetition is OK?

Doesn’t matter the timing. The timing just make things worst, Takato.

Cyn, you will still get 60 tokens for each path one after the other.

Jon’s reply was in reference to my question regarding different characters running the SAME path.

Now you will only get 60 tokens per path per account, where before tonight it was per character.

=/ So repeated runs are penalized into the 15→8→2 too? Even if they are slow?

Does this sound fun to you Mr. Peters?

Timing is just to discourage speedruns, lowering the reward. Play normal, do all path and you’ll get your 180 per day.

Well, there goes any incentive I had to make a third character. Was fun being able to reroll while it lasted I guess. Back to 1 run/per path a day

ok just completed another dungeon on a char that use to be perma DRed. Confirmed that character is now correctly getting 60 bonus tokens for first unique path run of the day. I think the DR is fixed? But the DR is now shared across characters. Meaning it doesn’t matter which char u use, it’s like using the same one.

JonPeters.5630:

To answer the original point they are account bound. This was part of what was creating the strange bugs from last week so making them account bound has fixed a lot of the problems. It also addresses a concern of people exploiting and then circumventing using different characters.

Jon

I think this is utter BS If I have Multi 80’s and I wanna spend my time farming all 3 paths on each toon once a Day I should get 60 tokens for each first run on them IMO…. and im beyond mad u dont now this is bs

Why would you be upset? The tokens are account bound so it makes sense to have the DR system kicks in across the board. This just prevents people from running the same path repeatedly with alternate characters. If you run a different path with each of your characters, you shouldn’t hit DR.

Since tokens are account bound, DR is supposed to be account bound. Fair enough.

Wait, so you can’t do the same dungeon path on two different character in the same day and get the full 60 on each character??? If so, they just keep making dungeons more and more unfavorable.

Wow….Just…wow.

The real issue is the fail fix they used to patch their broken code. (Guessing a daily DR system instead of a speed run DR system, or at least this is what it appears to be).
Why do they not come out and tell us what the heck the code is supposed to do? (don’t say they have they haven’t, thus this thread)

But with the implementation of the last DR system it was to prevent speed runners, now its just to…. prevent multiple dungeon runs a day? I am guess this because that is how it works out (i think , who knows they haven’t stated what the system actually does).

Question, if i run AC exp path 1 at 0800 and get 60 tokens at 2000 if i run the same path do i get 60 or 40 or 30 ? This is clearly not a speed run, and as stated i should get a full 60 (to stop those people who are speed running), but with this last patch October 1, i see DAILY being tossed out there alot, so whats the deal?

Awesome, went from perma Dr to even worse in my opinion.

Now you are officially penalizing people for making alts?
Could have accepted it for another couple weeks if it was a bug as that’s come to be expected….

I thought you guys said no change was made lightly, but it seems thoughtless decisions are just being tossed in one after another

does the token reward reset if you switch dungeons and return to the first one?

Edit:

I’d also like clarification as to wether it’s a daily resetting DR and the parameters of the system in place

This is a really stupid change.

Hellkaiser.6025:

does the token reward reset if you switch dungeons and return to the first one?

No it appears to be 100% daily based now and not actual time based (as in to prevent speed runners).
It appears that if you run a dungeon 12 hours apart you still get the DR, because its not an anti speed run code anymore its an daily bonus code (with low base rewards) more or less.

Amarath.5132:

Hellkaiser.6025:

does the token reward reset if you switch dungeons and return to the first one?

No it appears to be 100% daily based now and not actual time based (as in to prevent speed runners).
It appears that if you run a dungeon 12 hours apart you still get the DR, because its not an anti speed run code anymore its an daily bonus code (with low base rewards) more or less.

Are you certain of this and it’s not just a badly worded description?

No hell i am not sure at all but that is the way it seems to be working, hopefully i am wrong.

Mr. Peters, if the intention is to limit either the number of runs per day to some number N, or the number of tokens per day to some number N… why not just limit those things instead of this complex system?

And if that’s not the intention, what is?

Wow, so now having alts is an exploit. I really thought I’d seen it all with this bizarre attitude Anet has about labeling everything an exploit, but this really is beyond belief. I’m waiting for moving your character to become an exploit.

lol at thinking you should get max tokens just for switching characters

Kromica.2831:

lol at thinking you should get max tokens just for switching characters

Nawwww, I think people will be forgiving about the account wide shard DR because of the account bound tokens, I mean cmon, it was a given

The only legit concern I feel is the daily style as opposed to diminishing returns. I don’t like feeling gated for upwards of a day

i can’t find anything in the patch notes telling us how the DR system is currently working. I wish there was more transparency. Once again we’re left to fumble about in the dark.

1. is there a penalty for speed runs, and how long is the penalty
2. how is DR shared across characters
3. is the daily reset still at 8pm est or 5pm server time.

amongst all the ncsoft games i’ve played, this game has the least transparency about how things are suppose to work.

JonPeters.5630:

Strifey.7215:

Long story short, I run a few different dungeon paths everyday that take anywhere from 20-30 minutes.

I have 2x 80s and 1x 52 right now, so run a couple 80 dungeons twice and AC path two 3 times a day.

Before tonight’s patch, I would always get 60 tokens per path per character and never experienced DR.

After tonight’s patch, I just ran 5 dungeon runs across my 3 chars. 2 on two different characters, and one on my 3rd character.

First 3 runs I got the normal 60 tokens, but last 2 runs I just did I only got 30 tokens. Is this intentional now?

Sounds like you are not even hitting the exploit code and in fact are just receiving half because you are running the same dungeon for a second time in a row without switching. This has in fact always been part of the system since day 1.

Jon

It’s funny you should say about getting half for running the same path twice in a row. I NEVER once got half. I go straight from 60 down to 20. This happens every single time. After 20, I hit 10, then 5 or sometimes 4. Is it supposed to hit 30 because it never has for me. Always 60 > 20.

Edit: Also, I do take breaks, sometimes even log or do another dungeon between. I still go from 60 > 20.

Eve.1029:

i can’t find anything in the patch notes telling us how the DR system is currently working. I wish there was more transparency. Once again we’re left to fumble about in the dark.

1. is there a penalty for speed runs, and how long is the penalty
2. how is DR shared across characters
3. is the daily reset still at 8pm est or 5pm server time.

amongst all the ncsoft games i’ve played, this game has the least transparency about how things are suppose to work.

There’s a certain amount off contradiction in Mr Peter’s words. If this systemit’s really a safety net for exploiters, why can’t they tell us how it works?Even if the exploiters found out, being a time system they have no way circumvent the system short of rewriting the timer. Which brings me to the conclusion that Mr Peter’s himself had no confidence in the system working as intended.

They have already stated they are not going to give out any specifics about how DR works

Seriously? Account Bound?…. I would seriously love to have the tokens go back to being character bound and let me play how I want to.

I am not someone who has ever spammed a dungeon, but I want to be able to spend my time in the game having the fun I choose to have. Say what you want, that the game should be its own fun, but trust me when I say that getting to the end of a dungeon and getting “jipped” is not fun, its frustrating, irritating and down right unacceptable.

How is having alts and running something on an alt exploitative? I want to look cool and have fun just as much on my warrior as I do on my elementalist. Now you are saying that I have to spend double the time to do so? Seriously, having DR on dungeons is acceptable in my mind, but having it account bound is so completely not.

niwaar.5631:

Seriously? Account Bound?…. I would seriously love to have the tokens go back to being character bound and let me play how I want to.

I am not someone who has ever spammed a dungeon, but I want to be able to spend my time in the game having the fun I choose to have. Say what you want, that the game should be its own fun, but trust me when I say that getting to the end of a dungeon and getting “jipped” is not fun, its frustrating, irritating and down right unacceptable.

How is having alts and running something on an alt exploitative? I want to look cool and have fun just as much on my warrior as I do on my elementalist. Now you are saying that I have to spend double the time to do so? Seriously, having DR on dungeons is acceptable in my mind, but having it account bound is so completely not.

Can’t have it both ways, either tokens are character bound or DR is account bound

Kromica.2831:

niwaar.5631:

Seriously? Account Bound?…. I would seriously love to have the tokens go back to being character bound and let me play how I want to.

I am not someone who has ever spammed a dungeon, but I want to be able to spend my time in the game having the fun I choose to have. Say what you want, that the game should be its own fun, but trust me when I say that getting to the end of a dungeon and getting “jipped” is not fun, its frustrating, irritating and down right unacceptable.

How is having alts and running something on an alt exploitative? I want to look cool and have fun just as much on my warrior as I do on my elementalist. Now you are saying that I have to spend double the time to do so? Seriously, having DR on dungeons is acceptable in my mind, but having it account bound is so completely not.

Can’t have it both ways, either tokens are character bound or DR is account bound

And why can’t we have it both ways? Is it really that bad/exploitative to be able to run it on multiple characters and have the tokens account bound?

I’ve been testing it and it’s pretty generous already. You can get the 60 tokens on two characters for any single path. That means if you were farming a single dungeon you can get 60×6=360 tokens in just 6 runs. Previously 360/20=18 – you would of had to do 18 runs to get that many tokens – which is more than what most sane or slightly insane people would do anyways. Just switch to a new dungeon after your 6, and you can work on getting another 360. And if it REALLY bothers you, just wait 1 hour and do the same path, and you can get the normal 20, which was the old going rate at which many people got their gear.

Um you sure about the 60? Because I did two hotw runs path 1 and it went 60/30.

Your two runs of the same path on 2 characters = 60 is different then other people’s experience post-patch.

yeah i ran COF all 3 paths on my warrior right after the 8pm reset, 60/60/60.
then like um 6 hours later, i ran path 1 and 2 on my ele*, received 60/60.
I’ll test again tonight