Guild Wars 2

Trying to do Catacombs of Ascalon is nearly impossible in a casual pickup group that knows mostly what to do. What is the purpose of making a lot of game content exclusive only to people who are willing to spend multiple attempts of multiple hours? There’s no reason why it should be that difficult now that it’s impossible to res-rush an enemy.

I’ve tried to enjoy dungeons, I really have, but GW2 makes it impossible.

AC is still do-able but if you really want to throw your desk through a wall, take a shot at CoE. That made me nearly quit the game right there….

CoE is not as bad as some make it out to be. If you know how to dodge and know teamwork, then you should have little trouble completing it. Res rushing has never been needed for CoE.

Eh…whenever I do AC it’s with casual pickups…I’ve had zero issues…and CoE…what?? CoE is actually one of the few dungeons out there that has an interesting boss!

Whats wrong with AC? I find it was pretty easy and I mostly pug.

Nay of the Ether.8913:

AC is still do-able but if you really want to throw your desk through a wall, take a shot at CoE. That made me nearly quit the game right there….

Really? CoE? I presume you only did it once and chose the hard path. Try Arah, that is hell. First time I did that, turned out to be a group of inexperienced players and we wiped multiple times in the first few minutes until we gave up. Next group I got was a really experienced group and it was still really hard. Actually don’t try Arah, that would make you quit the game.

sostronk.8167:

Actually don’t try Arah, that would make you quit the game.

I wholeheartedly agree. Get a lot of experience and practice before you attempt Arah explorable. And be prepared for repair bills. It is very unforgiving, even to experienced parties.

Res rushing was stupid and had to go so I’m glad they removed it, on the other hand Anet failed to address the issues causing that approach to begin with. Dungeons should have been made easier so groups didn’t have to resort to that “tactic” to begin with.

I disagree.
The player skill spectrum is pretty wide and designers should tone the difficulty in a way that caters to most people at a intended challenge level.
Dungeons need to be between slightly hard and hard for the average player, so people who is far below this level are going to find them insane or just impossible. The same way, people who is far above will find them absolutely unchallenging.
Both extreme cases are bad but unavoidable.

Vargamonth.2047:

Dungeons need to be between slightly hard and hard for the average player, so people who is far below this level are going to find them insane or just impossible.

Slightly hard = Story mode
Hard = Explorables

lets move on

No

Sincerely, The Guild Wars 2 community

Yes

Sincerely the Guild Wars 2 Community.

Ungood.3054:

Yes

Sincerely the Guild Wars 2 Community.

I would say a player speaking for the community against easy dungeons cares more for the game’s future than a casual.

I finished about 50 AC runs since the patch and all of my parties are PUGs. We spend no more than 15 minutes each path, some of my parties also kill kholer. I don’t see why ANYONE is whining about AC. I hate to say this but l2p or start pugging and stop playing with your guildmates that are clearly baddies.

Vasham.2408:

Vasham.2408:

No

Sincerely, The Guild Wars 2 community

Ungood.3054:

Yes

Sincerely the Guild Wars 2 Community.

I would say a player speaking for the community against easy dungeons cares more for the game’s future than a casual.

I would say you don’t speak for me, or the community as a whole, so don’t act like you do.

Vasham.2408:

Ungood.3054:

Yes

Sincerely the Guild Wars 2 Community.

I would say a player speaking for the community against easy dungeons cares more for the game’s future than a casual.

how do you know he’s casual?

katz.8376:

Vasham.2408:

Ungood.3054:

Yes

Sincerely the Guild Wars 2 Community.

I would say a player speaking for the community against easy dungeons cares more for the game’s future than a casual.

how do you know he’s casual?

Nooooooo My covers blown!

Ok you got me, yes, I logged 300+ hours my first month, and am decked in full exotics including weapons and have over 300 kills in WvWvW. I admit it.

Gosh don’t take away my casual badge.. no.. no.. I’m smelting…….

First off there is a difference between casuals and bad players. In gw1, I was in a guild with all casuals who played for one night a week for a couple hours max. These guys were far from bad. They would do a run or two of DOA trenchway in less than an hour each. Content in gw2 is far easier than DOA. Content is intended to be earned not given away.

Vasham.2408:

Ungood.3054:

Yes

Sincerely the Guild Wars 2 Community.

I would say a player speaking for the community against easy dungeons cares more for the game’s future than a casual.

Huh?

What percentage of the population do you think are ‘hard core’ gamers? Ever wonder why the entire industry is making their games more playable by a wider audience? Ever wonder why dungeons are split into “paths”?

If you want ‘challenge’ if you want ‘difficulty’ start making videos showing how easy it is to solo every path of every dungeon with EVERY profession.

I might spend 1/2hr enticing my cat into attacking a wayward spider that got into the house while someone else might just step on it and then complain that they are bored. Different strokes for different….

(sigh)

Dungeons should not be easier, but ANet needed to pay attention to the “broken” bosses and fix them up before they introduced the no-res-rush patch. CM Path 1 for instance: Frost is INCREDIBLY hard and a total kitten to fight unless you can zerg him to death, which you no longer can.

He basically perma-freezes the entire team, then takes you all out individually with high damage. You can’t dodge unless you’re one of the lucky few that has endurance refill utility skills, you can barely keep up with condition removal because he is ALWAYS putting freezes on you, and even the most tanky person on our team was getting 2-3 shotted by his frost gun.

It’s a very, very broken boss for what is supposed to be a lvl 45 dungeon. With res rushing? Totally possible. Without? Nearly impossible.

Time Glitch.2460:

CM Path 1 for instance: Frost is INCREDIBLY hard and a total kitten to fight unless you can zerg him to death, which you no longer can.

He basically perma-freezes the entire team, then takes you all out individually with high damage. You can’t dodge unless you’re one of the lucky few that has endurance refill utility skills, you can barely keep up with condition removal because he is ALWAYS putting freezes on you, and even the most tanky person on our team was getting 2-3 shotted by his frost gun.

It’s a very, very broken boss for what is supposed to be a lvl 45 dungeon. With res rushing? Totally possible. Without? Nearly impossible.

I consider this post nice troll attempt but anyone doing CM will know better. Frost is really easy boss, I’ve done it two days before and I can’t really recall anything hard and bear in mind that I had 2 firsttimers.

haviz.1340:

Time Glitch.2460:

CM Path 1 for instance: Frost is INCREDIBLY hard and a total kitten to fight unless you can zerg him to death, which you no longer can.

He basically perma-freezes the entire team, then takes you all out individually with high damage. You can’t dodge unless you’re one of the lucky few that has endurance refill utility skills, you can barely keep up with condition removal because he is ALWAYS putting freezes on you, and even the most tanky person on our team was getting 2-3 shotted by his frost gun.

It’s a very, very broken boss for what is supposed to be a lvl 45 dungeon. With res rushing? Totally possible. Without? Nearly impossible.

I consider this post nice troll attempt but anyone doing CM will know better. Frost is really easy boss, I’ve done it two days before and I can’t really recall anything hard and bear in mind that I had 2 firsttimers.

You’re kidding, right?

We wiped like 5 times on that guy, and many more times on the bosses before them.

Kill rocket turrets. Kill Golems when they spawn (You can skip the last one or even skip killing more of them if you like).

Stay away from his freeze blast. Avoid hitting him when his ice shield is up if you can. I don’t see why anyone would want to intentionally tank his ice attacks.

Ungood.3054:

Vasham.2408:

Vasham.2408:

No

Sincerely, The Guild Wars 2 community

Ungood.3054:

Yes

Sincerely the Guild Wars 2 Community.

I would say a player speaking for the community against easy dungeons cares more for the game’s future than a casual.

I would say you don’t speak for me, or the community as a whole, so don’t act like you do.

I don’t need to speak for you since as a casual you void your right to opinion.

If anything dungeons need to be harder. Difficulty is a joke currently.

AC is really easy for me and my pug groups usually, but just once in the last few days (possibly first time since patch) we got to detha’s cannon part and wiped multiple times. The enemies seem MUCH less forgiving than before as I haven’t died there in a long time but our entire group, which seemed very effective before that, had huge problems with that spot.

Malediktus.9250:

If anything dungeons need to be harder. Difficulty is a joke currently.

Correction, SOME dungeons need to be harder. Others are quite fine…and the rest actually need to be easier, like Arah. <_<

Why would you want to be Arah to be any easier? I find it jokingly easy for the “endgame” dungeon.
My guild runs any path without skipping, exploiting/bug using, stealth kitting in under 60min.

This game needs dungeons which needs weeks for the first clear like other games had too. Its boring if you go into a new dungeons and now for certain you will succeed.

They also wanted dungeons to be a way to gear lvl 80 toons and it was never about making that difficult.

DaedalusDragon.3754:

AC is really easy for me and my pug groups usually, but just once in the last few days (possibly first time since patch) we got to detha’s cannon part and wiped multiple times. The enemies seem MUCH less forgiving than before as I haven’t died there in a long time but our entire group, which seemed very effective before that, had huge problems with that spot.

I’ve done that path several times post-patch, and I had no issues. The mobs that spawn aren’t always the same setup, so sometimes you get something more dangerous like multiple necromancers which can fear or put heavy conditions on your team repeatedly. If there’s anything that possibly kills the team fast it’s that kind of a spawn.

A while back before release they said story should be easy and explorer hard. What we have now both is easy and explorer is just another farm for silver.

Malediktus.9250:

A while back before release they said story should be easy and explorer hard. What we have now both is easy and explorer is just another farm for silver.

It is great that you find them all easy. That is not true for most players. Most find the dungeons challenging and some still find them impossible.

If all dungeons (or even most) get tuned be be at the difficulty you would prefer, most players would never touch dungeons again. Just like you don’t want ANet to cater the dungeons only to the casuals (which they do not do), they also need to avoid catering only to the elites. Both options are bad long-term.

Maybe those players should get their act together and spend some effort if they want to reap the rewards.

I’ll say this much , From a pugging perspective yes they are hard anytime there is a boss in a path that needs coordination. From a guild run perspective no they are not hard, voice communication and a regular team of 5 that knows what they are doing gear setup and a balanced group makeup per encounter makes even Arah path 4 a joke.

Now though I want to say this too, for a game with no gear treadmill and no stat advantages on any set you can acquire there are still a large number of ppl with massive ego’s using the lfg site. For anyone new to the game that may not even be a bad player or a casual it’s kitten hard to get into dungeons and learn the runs at all this is a community attitude problem, from my experience with lfg site though a large number of the claimed elitist you see typing all in caps and can hardly spell anything that comes off as English are typically way worse to pug with and get anything done even if they are dungeon masters.

My hats off to anyone who does bring first timers and takes the time to teach them to get better at the dungeons this is how the most of the community should be if you want a fun and healthy game in the long run. But again it doesnt work that way with most ppl they just want 15 min runs of everything and god forbid ever having to take a little bit of there time to help get more people into the dungeons that’s all it really takes is generally one or two runs guided through a path and the average person has it down by then. But typically all i see is that if your new and have never done a path then you’re automatically bad and casual.

Basically the game is not that hard but in a large number of cases mostly through LFG site it’s the attitudes of the ppl who are supposed to be elitist and pro that are making a lot of the runs harder than they should be. And no I have never had a problem clearing any path of any dungeon and I don’t really think the difficulty should be tuned down or up , I do think a lot of the ppl who are into forming pugged dungeon runs need an attitude adjustment.

Many people that know them find them easy and most that don’t find them hard to impossible. Are they going to be made easier or harder?

That all depends. Mostly on what they are there for in the 1st place and why would anyone want to bother with them.

On the one hand, they are part of the PvE game world and for ‘Dungeon Master’, ‘World Completion’ titles/trophies and personal story lines all or (some?) need to be done if the player wishes to complete those things.

On the other hand different sets of gear can be had as well as many simply ‘farm’ them for in game gold and matts for purchasing/crafting gear.

While this is reported to be a ‘skill based game’ if your not farming for gold/tokens for gear then your buying Gems and hitting the TP for gear.

At the end of the day one could make the case of making dungeons harder so that gear was harder to come by and therefore making the Gem Store more attractive, however if gear makes little or no difference there is no point in doing ether dungeons or shopping at the Gem Store. (outside of the completion factors above)

The bottom line is as long as the demographic that can/will/might spend money in the Gem Store is having fun and spending money Anet/GW2 is successful, if they are not having fun and not spending money, not so much.

Vasham.2408:

Ungood.3054:

Vasham.2408:

Vasham.2408:

No

Sincerely, The Guild Wars 2 community

Ungood.3054:

Yes

Sincerely the Guild Wars 2 Community.

I would say a player speaking for the community against easy dungeons cares more for the game’s future than a casual.

I would say you don’t speak for me, or the community as a whole, so don’t act like you do.

I don’t need to speak for you since as a casual you void your right to opinion.

Wow.. Reading fail.. but +1 on the troll!

Vasham.2408:

I don’t need to speak for you since as a casual you void your right to opinion.

reading fail much?

MaRko.3165:

Many people that know them find them easy and most that don’t find them hard to impossible. Are they going to be made easier or harder?

That all depends. Mostly on what they are there for in the 1st place and why would anyone want to bother with them.

This a great point!