with the current AR system the required AR goes up by 15 every 10 scales. 30 takes 40 AR, 40 takes 55 AR, 50 takes 70 AR. if this trend continues fractal 100 will take 145 AR.
because that is not reasonably attainable, what will the new goal be for AR?
the most AR you can get currently with 3 +10 agony infusions is 100, and even that is only if you replace your +20% MF infusion with a +5 AR for the amulet (which gets rid of the main goal of going to a higher fractal as you wouldn’t be getting better loot anymore)
I am guessing there will be a new system for AR. any chance a dev is willing to explain it?
Maybe one of the masteries will be innate agony resistance that doesn’t require ascended gear.
The entire point of agony is to gate players and make them grind. This would bypass that.
Well the mastery would likely require them to play fractals to progress it. Really no different than grinding gear.
Last time they said masteries is hot only. Unless that changes it cant be the main gate for fractals.
As another example, Fractal Masteries will provide combat perks and more rewards within the context of Fractals. As you play specific content, you’ll become more effective within that content, reflecting your increasing skill as a player and opening up new possibilities.
Maybe one of the masteries will be innate agony resistance that doesn’t require ascended gear.
The entire point of agony is to gate players and make them grind. This would bypass that.
Well the mastery would likely require them to play fractals to progress it. Really no different than grinding gear.
Last time they said masteries is hot only. Unless that changes it cant be the main gate for fractals.
And who’s to say they aren’t going to make doing the highest level fractals basically require HoT? Now, I don’t think it’s a good idea or they will, but it’d be something I’d have considered if I were their higher ups looking to convince people to buy the expansion, especially when so far it’s very lacking for content driven players.
Maybe one of the masteries will be innate agony resistance that doesn’t require ascended gear.
The entire point of agony is to gate players and make them grind. This would bypass that.
Well the mastery would likely require them to play fractals to progress it. Really no different than grinding gear.
Last time they said masteries is hot only. Unless that changes it cant be the main gate for fractals.
As another example, Fractal Masteries will provide combat perks and more rewards within the context of Fractals. As you play specific content, you’ll become more effective within that content, reflecting your increasing skill as a player and opening up new possibilities.
Maybe one of the masteries will be innate agony resistance that doesn’t require ascended gear.
The entire point of agony is to gate players and make them grind. This would bypass that.
Well the mastery would likely require them to play fractals to progress it. Really no different than grinding gear.
Last time they said masteries is hot only. Unless that changes it cant be the main gate for fractals.
As another example, Fractal Masteries will provide combat perks and more rewards within the context of Fractals. As you play specific content, you’ll become more effective within that content, reflecting your increasing skill as a player and opening up new possibilities.
Maybe one of the masteries will be innate agony resistance that doesn’t require ascended gear.
The entire point of agony is to gate players and make them grind. This would bypass that.
Well the mastery would likely require them to play fractals to progress it. Really no different than grinding gear.
Last time they said masteries is hot only. Unless that changes it cant be the main gate for fractals.
As another example, Fractal Masteries will provide combat perks and more rewards within the context of Fractals. As you play specific content, you’ll become more effective within that content, reflecting your increasing skill as a player and opening up new possibilities.
well they could make agony resistance from HoT masteries and if you don’t have it, you might be stuck with crafting the +1s into higher and higher levels which would be cost prohibitive.
well they could make agony resistance from HoT masteries and if you don’t have it, you might be stuck with crafting the +1s into higher and higher levels which would be cost prohibitive.
They could and may do this, but it would be a pretty crappy system, that i imagine would annoy a great many people.
Maybe one of the masteries will be innate agony resistance that doesn’t require ascended gear.
The entire point of agony is to gate players and make them grind. This would bypass that.
Well the mastery would likely require them to play fractals to progress it. Really no different than grinding gear.
Last time they said masteries is hot only. Unless that changes it cant be the main gate for fractals.
As another example, Fractal Masteries will provide combat perks and more rewards within the context of Fractals. As you play specific content, you’ll become more effective within that content, reflecting your increasing skill as a player and opening up new possibilities.
My point was clear when you responded with that quote.
They cant use masteries for the main progression of fractals.
Because its hot only.
You then replied to me with that quote that as far as ive seen has nothing to do with whar i said.
So what is it you were trying to point out with the quote
Maybe because I never stated it would be the main progression? I stated it as one possibility that they could do to help increase agony resistance. They could also have another mastery that increases the odds of of getting a +n agony resistance over the +1 that are only available now.
Even then, there’s absolutely no reason that they cannot gate fractal levels above 50 to be HoT only.
well they could make agony resistance from HoT masteries and if you don’t have it, you might be stuck with crafting the +1s into higher and higher levels which would be cost prohibitive.
They could and may do this, but it would be a pretty crappy system, that i imagine would annoy a great many people.
A great many people who haven’t purchased HoT… something they have incentive to do. Again, I hope they won’t, but, it’s a chance to annoy into buying.
well they could make agony resistance from HoT masteries and if you don’t have it, you might be stuck with crafting the +1s into higher and higher levels which would be cost prohibitive.
They could and may do this, but it would be a pretty crappy system, that i imagine would annoy a great many people.
A great many people who haven’t purchased HoT… something they have incentive to do. Again, I hope they won’t, but, it’s a chance to annoy into buying.
Well being as they have a fractal mastery at all, its not far fetched.
Still it would basically cross cut the playerbase among skill level and which expansion they were on.
I think if they wanted to have hot only fractal content they should execute it differently
Hm, I think with the new elite specialisations being part of the HoT only, there will already be a cross cut through the playerbase with Fractals. It would be like missing a few tools from your toolbox.
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Looks like the plan will be for progression to be tied with the expansion in some way.
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well they could make agony resistance from HoT masteries and if you don’t have it, you might be stuck with crafting the +1s into higher and higher levels which would be cost prohibitive.
They could and may do this, but it would be a pretty crappy system, that i imagine would annoy a great many people.
Well honestly, it would only annoy people that didn’t buy HoT.
Edit: Which, I might add, I don’t think is a bad thing. I doubt anyone pushing into post-50 fractals is at all not buying it anyways.
Needing to put AR on our infusions really limits the coolness of having infusions possible.
I’d like to see all those new Agony infusion drops used as a crafting material and infusion slots opened up for player stats. Couple this with FOTM mastery giving an innate resistance to the account.
Isn’t a 15 agony infusion something like 1500g? How could anyone think they’re gonna keep the current system in place without something else to support it – as in, fractal masteries and fractal infusions reward tracks AND 2/5 infusions dropping at 51+?
Really? Come on. It just can’t work like this. Gold grind sure, but not even anet wants you to die to amass enough ar.
And… well, at the cost of sounding like an kitten, they have to sell HoT someway. Just sayin’.
kittening hell, this kittened forum. If I have to edit one more time to fix my post I’m gonna shoot a bird through the window.
Isn’t a 15 agony infusion something like 1500g? How could anyone think they’re gonna keep the current system in place without something else to support it – as in, fractal masteries and fractal infusions reward tracks AND 2/5 infusions dropping at 51+?
Really? Come on. It just can’t work like this. Gold grind sure, but not even anet wants you to die to amass enough ar.
And… well, at the cost of sounding like an kitten, they have to sell HoT someway. Just sayin’.
kittening hell, this kittened forum. If I have to edit one more time to fix my post I’m gonna shoot a bird through the window.
They should sell hot with new content. Not retool old content and lock it behind hot
Eh, that’s why I said they could make +5 infusions drop from fractal dailies/chests/mobs at 51-100… since I don’t think those levels will be hot-locked.
Still, the fractal masteries will be locked, if I’m not mistaken? I presume hot players will be at a slight advantage in acquiring ar, or maybe there will be strong consumables to ease the grind.
This is all up in the air, either way.
I’m at work, but apparently prices on +agony are going crazy.
Yup, Yesterday morning I meant to put in a buy order to set up a few more sets of trinkets for alts. Didn’t end up doing it but they were like 6.5 buy and 7 sell. When I got home last night it was around 13-14. I figured they’d keep going up. Might have to sell what I have while they’re up.
I suspect prices will take a hit when they announce that the ‘agony channeling’ mastery increases your resist (citation needed), so there’s definitely going to be a ‘right’ time to sell
I’m not even sure why the gear check mechanic exists. The difficulty of higher fractal levels is about the scaling of the monster stats and amount of extra mobs. Agony matters until you have the breakpoint value at which point it becomes irrelevant. It’s a totally antiquated MMO mechanic.
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With the current ssystem, level 100 will require 145 AR. Currently, ignoring the (Infused) property of rings and backpieces, you can only get 70 AR; with said (Infused) property, you gain three slots that can have up to +16 each (theoretically more but no player has obtained a +17 yet it seems). Using just +10s, you can currently get 100 AR. Any higher is not feasible for most players.
As I see it, there are three possibilities:
They’re going to adjust the amount of AR required per level, lowering the 145 closer down to current feasible max. I find this unlikely.
They’re going to make more ascended gear able to be (Infused) like rings and backpieces. If they do this to just the remaining trinkets, you can get up to 130 AR using just +10 Agony Infusions, forcing those who wish to do level 100 to use at least 3 +15s.
They’ll add an additional means of gaining agony infusions – such as masteries. If via masteries, then it will likely be gating making the higher levels ‘easier’ by requiring the expansion.
IMHO, the second solution is the best.
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With the current ssystem, level 100 will require 145 AR. Currently, ignoring the (Infused) property of rings and backpieces, you can only get 70 AR; with said (Infused) property, you gain three slots that can have up to +16 each (theoretically more but no player has obtained a +17 yet it seems). Using just +10s, you can currently get 100 AR. Any higher is not feasible for most players.
As I see it, there are three possibilities:
They’re going to adjust the amount of AR required per level, lowering the 145 closer down to current feasible max. I find this unlikely.
They’re going to make more ascended gear able to be (Infused) like rings and backpieces. If they do this to just the remaining trinkets, you can get up to 130 AR using just +10 Agony Infusions, forcing those who wish to do level 100 to use at least 3 +15s.
They’ll add an additional means of gaining agony infusions – such as masteries. If via masteries, then it will likely be gating making the higher levels ‘easier’ by requiring the expansion.
IMHO, the second solution is the best.
Third is the best really, it’s more streamlined and leads to less rigamarole.
They’re really not gonna be doing much to ensure content accessibility to non-hot people at the cost of convenience to hot people.
I think lots of what they do will depend from the amount of whining. If the whining reaches a certain threshold, they do x; they do y if it doesn’t.
I’m curious to monitor the levels of whining when they introduce the fractal masteries.
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Crafting in fractals? I have some ideas: put a crafting station at the bonfire in snowblind fractal… 1 has to channel the crafting for 1 min, let’s say he has to build an explosive rocket to melt the ice wall, and the others defend.
Like? :o
Maybe that’s why they said you should keep your useless fractal rings? Salvage the +5s (or other ascended what not they might add) from them to turn into higher level Agony Resistance?
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