Guild Wars 2

Quote from Chris Whiteside on Reddit today:

We absolutely design everything we do with minimal grind and will continue with this principal moving forward.

The current state of fractal rings completely contradict this statement. We have to grind fractal 10/20 every day for a chance at a ring. On top of that, there are 20 different rings, 2 for each of the 10 stat combinations.

If we want a particular stat combination (like most of us run with) that means we need 2 particular rings of the 20 (they are unique so you can’t equip two of the same ring). So if the RNG does bless us with a ring, it’s only a 1/10 chance initially that it will be one we want. After we grind out that first one, the chance of getting the 2nd ring to complete our set is 1/20.

This means that you easily expect to get dozens and dozens of rings before you get the 2 you want. Or if the RNG gods really hate you, then you could literally play forever and never get them. This is the textbook definition of grind, Mr. Whiteside.

Please put in a way to turn our unwanted rings into the ones we want, or have a different way (tokens? MF recipe?) to get the rings that’s guaranteed. Right now it’s like we’re rolling a 20-sided die and hoping for a 5 and an 18.

Agree on the last part, got a ring as well now which is not the stats i want.. and now sitting with a Ascended ring just lying in my bag.

Heh, at least you got one.

elderan.2638:

Right now it’s like we’re rolling a 20-sided die and hoping for a 5 and an 18.

You forgot that the die also randomly disappears when you throw it

And if you want infused rings its even 1/20, 1/40 chance to get the one you want. Because 20+ drops both uninfused and infused. Also no recipe to manually infuse a ring you like.

BUTTERBLUME.3217:

Heh, at least you got one.

lol, and what do i do with it? it’s no use for me without having the correct stats, can’t salvage it, can’t sell it, can’t exchange it…. so whats the point unless giving it for your other characters which i don’t have.

Are you seriously complaining about wrong stats? ^^
At least your progress is not blocked.

Supporting this.

Did some 20+ fractals and received two of the same ring, they were both pretty good for a Guardian however I was annoyed to see you could not equip both.

I don’t see the need for a “unique” tag on the rings, considering how difficult it is to attain them anyways.

Holy Socks.3195:

Supporting this.

Did some 20+ fractals and received two of the same ring, they were both pretty good for a Guardian however I was annoyed to see you could not equip both.

I don’t see the need for a “unique” tag on the rings, considering how difficult it is to attain them anyways.

And that is the sad part. It is not even difficult, it is simply random.

It seems like the people at ArenaNet are trying to please too many people. They don’t want to force people to grind for good items, but at the same time they are trying to please a group of people that are used to grinding. Because of this the grinders are finding that things are too easy and complaining that they don’t have anything to do after getting everything they have.

Narcemus.1348:

It seems like the people at ArenaNet are trying to please too many people. They don’t want to force people to grind for good items, but at the same time they are trying to please a group of people that are used to grinding. Because of this the grinders are finding that things are too easy and complaining that they don’t have anything to do after getting everything they have.

That’s on the grinder’s, if they cant find something to do then oh well, i don’t see why the rest of us have to suffer when we all knew full well what the game was going to be like, “not a grind” even tho it’s now starting to turn into one.. OR the NCsoft RNG just hates me, it’s starting to feel like Lineage2/Aion grind all over again around here.

I’d like to have my “no grind ever cause thats not the games we make” game that I paid for, ty.

meh I got 6 rings since fractals released, 2 came infused (actually the two I wanted stat-wise), the rest were garbage/non-usable for my stats.

It’s too bad they can’t have it setup to trade them or at the very least a token based system, so if you get a ring “token” you can go trade it for the ring you want.

Just keep trying, eventually you’ll get it. Plus, it’s not like the loot/gold is bad.

I’ve been doing fractals since day 1, reached level 20, and have been doing both 10 and 20 dailies. I have still NOT gotten a single ring whereas everytime I see people complaining about getting the same rings when I run with them, it is extremely dissapointing that this system was implemented, I’m reaching a point where I just log in and do these dailies for the slightest hope, but that hope is fading away and soon i will just quit trying altogether.

I loved how the older dungeons worked, how every completed run was a step towards your progress and your dungeon set, and knowing that your hard work paid off and was not random, this is the game I paid for, earning exotic sets for my chars and not having to worry about trying to get an item based on luck for days and days, or having to farm for an item for hours for those 50 ectos and 250 mats. That was legendary and special weapons of which I did not care of because they were simply cosmetic.

I was a paying customer, every month I supported Anet with purchases from the cash shop, then this new grinding for this new tier of gear was introduced and I stopped to watch and see what it was all about, now I see what it was all about, and I don’t like it.

i’m reaching the quitting point, I just don’t enjoy the fractals anymore and quitting them now empty handed might as well quit altogether.

BUTTERBLUME.3217:

Heh, at least you got one.

If I had to take a wild guess I’d say the drop rate is 25-30%. If you’ve gotten, say, 10 daily chests and no ring you’ve simply had a string of bad luck, you might get two in a row next time.

Are you seriously complaining about wrong stats? ^^
At least your progress is not blocked.

Progress toward what exactly? The ring with the stats you want is the best item that drops in the dungeon. That’s the whole prize, agony resistance is simply a means to that end. Yet you can do level 10 and 20 dailies without agony resist and get the rings. From what people have said, level 30/40/50+ dailies give the same stuff as 20. If grinding to endlessly high fractal levels is what you’re after then yes it’s blocking your progress, if getting an ascended ring to upgrade your exotic is what your after then the RNG nature of the ring stats is blocking your progress.

Yes. the minimal grind part is nonsense. People are grinding the daily everyday just for the chance to get a ring for the agony resist, much less for 1 with the stats that he wants. Doing daily for 9 days in a row without any ring dropping is bullkitten, especially when the bosses at higher levels are doing agony more frequently and dealing much more damages. Those who do not have ascended rings are at an disadvantage to the point that some party at higher levels do not even want people without agony resist.

Yea this exactly the problem , we shoulnd’t have to face RNG while grinding ? And we don’t even know what is the drop chance on these rings. Add them to the vendor for 1300 tokens or something if your unlucky guess what you can maybe get one in 2 months with the right stats ? This was the worst implementation yet.

farming lvl 10 since a week…..
Still ANY ring .-.

in the meantime i m spending all i have to that 60+G backpack that requires minimun aount of grind….

Basically i put all i had in 3 months for the few new items and i m stuck to a single daily activity -.- since the patch release…

That is perfectly comparable to korean grinding games…..

LordByron.8369:

farming lvl 10 since a week…..
Still ANY ring .-.

in the meantime i m spending all i have to that 60+G backpack that requires minimun aount of grind….

Basically i put all i had in 3 months for the few new items and i m stuck to a single daily activity -.- since the patch release…

That is perfectly comparable to korean grinding games…..

yeah not even close… Youve obviously never played one of them. These items are meant to be collected over weeks or months and legendaries over even more months. Most of the people who are angry want them right now. He also said a few times that that he was sorry they put out ascended with few options to get it and that it would be remedied. The power curve isnt high enough that you need to do that dungeon..if you are doing it and only it..its your own choice.

oh yes i played them

lineage 2 and many others that makes wow seems a no grind game….

And again yes if you extend the amount of farming required to few secondary pieces to the whole set, suddenly any korean mmorpg isn t so scaring…..

i won t comment on the usual misonformation people like you puts in their post because the importance of ascended gear have been discussed so many times already…

Forcing people to repeat what everybody knows doesn t makes your post seem more valid at all.

I’d love to see a normal player playing all the content to find 50 ecto, 250 vicious claws but most of all the vial of essence without grinding fractals….and 2 rings

This in few weeks

Few are lucky, most simply needs to grind the dungeon…..

Not to mention there are 2 overcosted upgrades for the backpack ….what the cost of that?
more than a precursor.

Among other things, Chris Whiteside also mentioned that they weren’t really happy with the current ascended gear distribution and that they WILL give us more options to obtain them. So I guess that answers your question.

And if you’re asking why they made it like this in the first place… Well consider this:

Balancing is not always a simple matter. Very often players consume content/obtain items much faster than intended and sometimes it turns out to be way too difficult. But it’s always easier to increase drop rates or make content more accessible than to go the other way, so it’s better if you start out with making things very difficult.

This is why there is so much drama with ascended items. Anet made the judgement that exotic gear would take a certain amount of time to obtain but it seems that it was too fast from what they had intended. That’s why they decided to introduce a new tier that would increase the amount of time you needed to get max gear and of course people panicked. Like Chris said, they should have introduced ascended gear from the start and if necessary they would have nerfed it accordingly.

TLDR: It’s always more problematic when you have to make things more difficult rather than easier, that’s why it’s always good start out with making it very difficult and then make it easier as necessary.

The worst for me is listening people that don’t give a crap about fotm and just want their new best ring for their character and whine because their rings aren’t what they want, and people that really like the challenge of the game and can’t progress because they miss agony resist and need to farm dailies, and will gladly take any ring just to go on. So frustrating.

FoTM are designed as difficulty scaling place. Testing your skill, group play, etc. But… You can’t test it properly because of random. WoW move out from random drops to token/badge system. Why reinvent same fail idea of RNG drops for important things?

OK, 1 random ring does not hurt my build too much, but this is only a beginning. There is 2nd ring. And later on more RNG BoA equip.

Anet may do rings BoE, so we can sell/buy what we need.
Anet may do rings only stubs just like backpieces: you get a ring, then you take tokens, bloods/scales/etc and throw that into forge to get desired ring.

elderan.2638:

BUTTERBLUME.3217:

Heh, at least you got one.

If I had to take a wild guess I’d say the drop rate is 25-30%. If you’ve gotten, say, 10 daily chests and no ring you’ve simply had a string of bad luck, you might get two in a row next time.

Are you seriously complaining about wrong stats? ^^
At least your progress is not blocked.

Progress toward what exactly? The ring with the stats you want is the best item that drops in the dungeon. That’s the whole prize, agony resistance is simply a means to that end. Yet you can do level 10 and 20 dailies without agony resist and get the rings. From what people have said, level 30/40/50+ dailies give the same stuff as 20. If grinding to endlessly high fractal levels is what you’re after then yes it’s blocking your progress, if getting an ascended ring to upgrade your exotic is what your after then the RNG nature of the ring stats is blocking your progress.

I am after endlessly high fractal levels, therefore it is blocking my progress.

I agree with your thread. I’m so nostalgic of GW1… I would like so much an expansion for the old game.
Here… welcome with the new grind-treadmill gear politics! Farm and farm fractals every day and let alone your friends: you’ll need full exotic/ascended party of players of your same high level.
This game will become the umpteenth clone.

LordByron.8369:

oh yes i played them

lineage 2 and many others that makes wow seems a no grind game….

And again yes if you extend the amount of farming required to few secondary pieces to the whole set, suddenly any korean mmorpg isn t so scaring…..

i won t comment on the usual misonformation people like you puts in their post because the importance of ascended gear have been discussed so many times already…

Forcing people to repeat what everybody knows doesn t makes your post seem more valid at all.

I’d love to see a normal player playing all the content to find 50 ecto, 250 vicious claws but most of all the vial of essence without grinding fractals….and 2 rings

This in few weeks

Few are lucky, most simply needs to grind the dungeon…..

Not to mention there are 2 overcosted upgrades for the backpack ….what the cost of that?
more than a precursor.

if all you are worried about is your gear, I could own you in greens. Your argument is paper thin and without merit. You have no significant contribution and only speculative garbage parading around as something remotely substantial. it doesnt matter what is out next year, you dont base a character now on what might be out next year. What is out right now is rings and back slot..that is not a lot of advantage and in no way forces you to do the dungeon to succeed in other parts of the game , if it does than your skill is subpar and you should be working on improving that instead of dungeon running all day.

Ditton.3149:

LordByron.8369:

oh yes i played them

lineage 2 and many others that makes wow seems a no grind game….

And again yes if you extend the amount of farming required to few secondary pieces to the whole set, suddenly any korean mmorpg isn t so scaring…..

i won t comment on the usual misonformation people like you puts in their post because the importance of ascended gear have been discussed so many times already…

Forcing people to repeat what everybody knows doesn t makes your post seem more valid at all.

I’d love to see a normal player playing all the content to find 50 ecto, 250 vicious claws but most of all the vial of essence without grinding fractals….and 2 rings

This in few weeks

Few are lucky, most simply needs to grind the dungeon…..

Not to mention there are 2 overcosted upgrades for the backpack ….what the cost of that?
more than a precursor.

if all you are worried about is your gear, I could own you in greens. Your argument is paper thin and without merit. You have no significant contribution and only speculative garbage parading around as something remotely substantial. it doesnt matter what is out next year, you dont base a character now on what might be out next year. What is out right now is rings and back slot..that is not a lot of advantage and in no way forces you to do the dungeon to succeed in other parts of the game , if it does than your skill is subpar and you should be working on improving that instead of dungeon running all day.

Lol as said many many times, RNG and “progression” defenders mostly rely on personal attack and misinformation…

You are not the exception…

But you know what people learn reading your post?

Simply that you don t have a clue on basic mechanics of the game….
Not to mention the lack of text formatting and netiquette…..
This is the perfect example of how not to write a post on a forum for both context and appearance.

FYI: i need the ring to play with friends -.- and help the guild do you feel satisfied now?
Also as said SOME classes have to rely hugely on equipment…..those few more HP is the difference between being oneshot or being able to heal back to full health…..reverse for offensive purposes…
Obviously some other classes are more beginner friendly you should try some other profession…..

LordByron.8369:

Ditton.3149:

LordByron.8369:

oh yes i played them

lineage 2 and many others that makes wow seems a no grind game….

And again yes if you extend the amount of farming required to few secondary pieces to the whole set, suddenly any korean mmorpg isn t so scaring…..

i won t comment on the usual misonformation people like you puts in their post because the importance of ascended gear have been discussed so many times already…

Forcing people to repeat what everybody knows doesn t makes your post seem more valid at all.

I’d love to see a normal player playing all the content to find 50 ecto, 250 vicious claws but most of all the vial of essence without grinding fractals….and 2 rings

This in few weeks

Few are lucky, most simply needs to grind the dungeon…..

Not to mention there are 2 overcosted upgrades for the backpack ….what the cost of that?
more than a precursor.

if all you are worried about is your gear, I could own you in greens. Your argument is paper thin and without merit. You have no significant contribution and only speculative garbage parading around as something remotely substantial. it doesnt matter what is out next year, you dont base a character now on what might be out next year. What is out right now is rings and back slot..that is not a lot of advantage and in no way forces you to do the dungeon to succeed in other parts of the game , if it does than your skill is subpar and you should be working on improving that instead of dungeon running all day.

Lol as said many many times, RNG and “progression” defenders mostly rely on personal attack and misinformation…

You are not the exception…

But you know what people learn reading your post?

Simply that you don t have a clue on basic mechanics of the game….
Not to mention the lack of text formatting and netiquette…..
This is the perfect example of how not to write a post on a forum for both context and appearance.

FYI: i need the ring to play with friends -.- and help the guild do you feel satisfied now?
Also as said SOME classes have to rely hugely on equipment…..those few more HP is the difference between being oneshot or being able to heal back to full health…..reverse for offensive purposes…
Obviously some other classes are more beginner friendly you should try some other profession…..

I could care less about how you feel things should be formatted. I also didnt insult you, I insulted your argument, of which you did the same by calling me misinformed.

Please show me the concrete facts that state there is a huge disparity of power between what you can get with exotics and the entire 3 pieces of even infused gear that you can get with ascended. Then do me a favor and put those in context to the entire statistical ratio and not simply the gear related one.

I dont recall mentioning a class I played or how I played it. So enlighten me as to how you can make any supposition or intelligent guess as to my nature of play? Is this indeed more speculation based on implicitly derived heresy that you have conjured up to sound like something substantial when in truth it is not when put in context to actual facts?

As for the guild, Im sorry that you dont have the equipment to run with the guild. Its a bummer, I think they missed the boat as far as their distribution of ascended and they have admitted as much. That being said, dramatic hyperbole and assumptions based on items not yet in the game seems like little more than useless conjecture.

Ditton.3149:

all you are worried about is your gear, I could own you in greens.

Ditton.3149:

I dont recall mentioning a class I played or how I played it. So enlighten me as to how you can make any supposition or intelligent guess as to my nature of play?

Such coherence…..

Also ther are 2 tiers between a yellow back item and an ascended back item

Add 2 rings

But the excuse of the not noticeable difference have alreadybeen proved wrong quite a lot of time….

Well, considering RNG is lame and you have to go through it twice to get a ring you want…that’s simply too much.
They should allow you to exchange a ring + tokens for the one of your choice. Currently you have to be lucky to receive a ring, and then be lucky again to get the stats you want.

I think you’re overreacting over two rings and a backpack. Use your best exotic rings and don’t mind.

I completely stopped grinding fractals the moment i realized how measly was the difference in terms of stats. Now i only do them to help friends or when i want to change from the gold grinding.

Now i am working for my legendary, much more rewarding than +5 power in 6 months from now (estimated time for my perfect ascended ring to drop…).

I’ve been stuck on 21 for a whole week because I haven’t gotten a single ring; keep in mind I’ve been doing Fractals since its launch in Lost Shores. I made it to 21 with 0 resist and I don’t think I can go any higher.

elderan.2638:

Quote from Chris Whiteside on Reddit today:

We absolutely design everything we do with minimal grind and will continue with this principal moving forward.

The current state of fractal rings completely contradict this statement. We have to grind fractal 10/20 every day for a chance at a ring.

Actually, you can get the ring on every first daily maw fight, based on the level rank you’re in. For example, if you want the infused ring, a lv22 instead of a lv20, will still give the reward + ring

Lucas Ashrock.8675:

elderan.2638:

Quote from Chris Whiteside on Reddit today:

We absolutely design everything we do with minimal grind and will continue with this principal moving forward.

The current state of fractal rings completely contradict this statement. We have to grind fractal 10/20 every day for a chance at a ring.

Actually, you can get the ring on every first maw fight, based on the level rank you’re in. For example, if you want the infused ring, a lv22 instead of a lv20, will still get the reward + ring

no its random, you dont always get it.

Ye, random, obiouvsly. I was focusing on the fact lv20 only is not needed. I see plently times on chat lfm lv20 daily, when they should just have progressed doing a lv28 run for example, hoping to get the ring.

LordByron.8369:

Ditton.3149:

all you are worried about is your gear, I could own you in greens.

Ditton.3149:

I dont recall mentioning a class I played or how I played it. So enlighten me as to how you can make any supposition or intelligent guess as to my nature of play?

Such coherence…..

Also ther are 2 tiers between a yellow back item and an ascended back item

Add 2 rings

But the excuse of the not noticeable difference have alreadybeen proved wrong quite a lot of time….

yeah its a .65% difference in total statistic ratio with all 3 pieces. At lvl 80 you have (4×916) 3664 points of base stats. Traits add another 1400, so that’s 5064. Full exotic gear gives around 1800 stat points, so total of 6864. Getting +10% (you actually only get 8.5% increase, but you only get a yellow back so its commensurate) stats from your gear equals 180 stat points. Difference between 6864 and 7044 is (180/7044×100)= 2,55%. There are the facts, where are yours? The total effect to damage depends on where the stats are..but 18 pts in 3 stats isnt going to save you, its not even a 1% increase in crit rate. It would be about 3-6% extra crit damage.

Lucas Ashrock.8675:

Ye, random, obiouvsly. I was focusing on the fact lv20 only is not needed. I see plently times on chat lfm lv20 daily, when they should just have progressed doing a lv28 run for example, hoping to get the ring.

yeah your best shot is to hit up the 10.20,30 on each toon of 80 you have

I thought I would add my 10c to this topic, I currently have 2 ascended rings, both of which would be perfect for another character if I had one with the set up the ring set matched. Surely it makes more sense to make these items either saleable or if not saleable at the very least gift-able to other guild members or friends. Like it or not Fractals is currently set up as the biggest grindfest I have ever come across. I thought the whole point of content in GW2 was for it to be enjoyable, this certainly is not the case with fractals, unless you have the 80g required to craft a back item there is no other way to circumvent agony, meaning players must grind out tokens or pray for a suitable drop from the rng system. Come on Arenanet stop playing blizzards tricks, I guarantee you will lose far more customers, if you keep heading in your current direction than you could possibly gain, I pray you see the light, before you are left struggling with a mediocre product which had the potential to be the greatest MMO ever.

Ditton.3149:

Lucas Ashrock.8675:

Ye, random, obiouvsly. I was focusing on the fact lv20 only is not needed. I see plently times on chat lfm lv20 daily, when they should just have progressed doing a lv28 run for example, hoping to get the ring.

yeah your best shot is to hit up the 10.20,30 on each toon of 80 you have

It’s accountwide.

Ditton.3149:

yeah its a .65% difference in total statistic ratio with all 3 pieces. At lvl 80 you have (4×916) 3664 points of base stats. Traits add another 1400, so that’s 5064. Full exotic gear gives around 1800 stat points, so total of 6864. Getting +10% (you actually only get 8.5% increase, but you only get a yellow back so its commensurate) stats from your gear equals 180 stat points. Difference between 6864 and 7044 is (180/7044×100)= 2,55%. There are the facts, where are yours? The total effect to damage depends on where the stats are..but 18 pts in 3 stats isnt going to save you, its not even a 1% increase in crit rate. It would be about 3-6% extra crit damage.

Ascended weapons will have 5% more base damage. Total damage you do per attacks is your power * weapon damage. So even someone with 0 power, crit or crit damage in his gear will do 5% more damage per hits with ascended gear than someone without. Add in the extra power and crit damage and we are well into 10-15% more damage for DPS oriented ascended gear.

stof.9341:

Ditton.3149:

yeah its a .65% difference in total statistic ratio with all 3 pieces. At lvl 80 you have (4×916) 3664 points of base stats. Traits add another 1400, so that’s 5064. Full exotic gear gives around 1800 stat points, so total of 6864. Getting +10% (you actually only get 8.5% increase, but you only get a yellow back so its commensurate) stats from your gear equals 180 stat points. Difference between 6864 and 7044 is (180/7044×100)= 2,55%. There are the facts, where are yours? The total effect to damage depends on where the stats are..but 18 pts in 3 stats isnt going to save you, its not even a 1% increase in crit rate. It would be about 3-6% extra crit damage.

Ascended weapons will have 5% more base damage. Total damage you do per attacks is your power * weapon damage. So even someone with 0 power, crit or crit damage in his gear will do 5% more damage per hits with ascended gear than someone without. Add in the extra power and crit damage and we are well into 10-15% more damage for DPS oriented ascended gear.

There are no ascended weapons out right now. Im dealing with facts not fiction or speculation. An extra 5% crit rate, and 18 pts in power is not going to save you or win you a fight based on stats alone. how do you know it will have 5% more damage? They want a small power curve, how do you know it wont be a 1% extra base damage? You don’t..you only know that we have an ascended backpack and rings out right now. If anything, the extra damage has much more to do with the multiplicative aspect of crit% damage than anything else.

Ditton.3149:

There are no ascended weapons out right now. Im dealing with facts not fiction or speculation.
(…)
how do you know it will have 5% more damage?

Here’s a fact for ya : http://i.imgur.com/lZz53.png

Explanation? https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Legendary-Weapons-Boosted-to-Ascended-Stats/first#post746701

Hmm, they were updated by accident, funny :p So far, all the indicators point to the new attack power of ascended greatswords to be 5% more than exotic.

Soon those stats will be back. Give time, ascended weapons are coming.

this could have been like the torment weapons of gw1.. you get random stones drops and with enough of them you can get the ring/rings that you need… I really dont understand why Arenanet wants to get away from the winning formula of gw1

Lucas Ashrock.8675:

Soon those stats will be back. Give time, ascended weapons are coming.

Yeah I just can’t wait spending all the t6 and stuff I’m saving for my legendary on an ascended weapon.

Iehova.9518:

Yeah I just can’t wait spending all the t6 and stuff I’m saving for my legendary on an ascended weapon.

See, you aren’t thinking like ANet. There was a gap between exotics and legendary before. Some people already had their legendaries so obviously the gap was too small!

And the genius in all that is that since the ascended items cost THAT much T6 and ectos, now the price for exotics themselves is going up too! Such a masterful move.

absolutely agree with the last part. its 2012, anet… wake up. we can’t sell them, can’t salvage them nor can we mystic forge them so wtf is this?

You do a fractal once a day for the ring, how is that grinding?

Enfrayia.8179:

You do a fractal once a day for the ring, how is that grinding?

Twice if you do lvl 10 and 20, and unlucky people like me should because the rng gods and odds are against us, this could take anywhere from 2-4 hrs a day which is my total gaming time after I get home fromw ork, I’d rather do what I want however after getting so far I feel compelled to at least get a ring, even after that it will probably not be the stats I want therefore I’d have to do it again and again = grind

Zogyark.4597:

Enfrayia.8179:

You do a fractal once a day for the ring, how is that grinding?

Twice if you do lvl 10 and 20, and unlucky people like me should because the rng gods and odds are against us, this could take anywhere from 2-4 hrs a day which is my total gaming time after I get home fromw ork, I’d rather do what I want however after getting so far I feel compelled to at least get a ring, even after that it will probably not be the stats I want therefore I’d have to do it again and again = grind

You know, you don’t HAVE to grind for the rings. You’re perfectly efficient without them, if you’re a good player.

Yeah you are perfectly fine until you get hit by agony. Sure not that hard when you attack from 1200-1500 range.