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We’ve been at it since a week before Fractured release. Absolutely nothing has been done. They simply moved on assuring themselves that people will forget…

Romo.3709:

We’ve been at it since a week before Fractured release. Absolutely nothing has been done. They simply moved on assuring themselves that people will forget…

I’ll never forget that thread. My guildies won’t let me forget it either. Lol

Yup still waiting. Tis a good thing there is no subscription fee. I feel a break coming soon.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Romo.3709:

We’ve been at it since a week before Fractured release. Absolutely nothing has been done. They simply moved on assuring themselves that people will forget…

I’ll never forget that thread. My guildies won’t let me forget it either. Lol

Haha. Same here. I went from doing fractals every day to doing low levels 1-2 times a week to help out guildies level up.

Romo.3709:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Romo.3709:

We’ve been at it since a week before Fractured release. Absolutely nothing has been done. They simply moved on assuring themselves that people will forget…

I’ll never forget that thread. My guildies won’t let me forget it either. Lol

Haha. Same here. I went from doing fractals every day to doing low levels 1-2 times a week to help out guildies level up.

I only do fractals for daily now. So, swamp, level 1, done. Hehe. Sometimes I do harpy, for the champions.

Everyone knows they never check the dungeon forums, lol.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Romo.3709:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Romo.3709:

We’ve been at it since a week before Fractured release. Absolutely nothing has been done. They simply moved on assuring themselves that people will forget…

I’ll never forget that thread. My guildies won’t let me forget it either. Lol

Haha. Same here. I went from doing fractals every day to doing low levels 1-2 times a week to help out guildies level up.

I only do fractals for daily now. So, swamp, level 1, done. Hehe. Sometimes I do harpy, for the champions.

Just roll for ascalon. Its bugged and will give you the daily achieve as soon as you go from lobby to ascalon fractal. No need to complete any.

spoj.9672:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Romo.3709:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Romo.3709:

We’ve been at it since a week before Fractured release. Absolutely nothing has been done. They simply moved on assuring themselves that people will forget…

I’ll never forget that thread. My guildies won’t let me forget it either. Lol

Haha. Same here. I went from doing fractals every day to doing low levels 1-2 times a week to help out guildies level up.

I only do fractals for daily now. So, swamp, level 1, done. Hehe. Sometimes I do harpy, for the champions.

Just roll for ascalon. Its bugged and will give you the daily achieve as soon as you go from lobby to ascalon fractal. No need to complete any.

Lol, I try not to do this. I like killing things. It has happened in my rolling for swamp or harpy though a few times. I usually do the thing anyway…. For the loots

Honestly, their intention was to give the casuals something to look at fr a couple of hours and destroy Fractals for the people that actually did them. They can claim on paper “look at the great updates we made!” when the reality is that they destroy their game one update after another. Maybe some big name in eSports will feel bad for them and throw them a bone, though. There’s always that to keep things moving along.

“We’re holding the leaderboard for now to see if we can’t decide on a better way to help differentiate people on it who are all at the same tier, other than just the first who got there specifically. Once we have decided that, we’ll need to code, test, and vet it and then update the leaderboards to reflect the new tracking.”

From Colin Johansson on GW2Guru.

So basically… “We realized that this was a really stupid idea and haven’t even begun working on it, but we needed an excuse to wipe everyone’s progress.”

I honestly would have preferred “We’ve reworked how fractals scale with mistlock instabilities, and we’re wiping everyone’s progress because we don’t know how to deal with people who got higher fractal levels than we intended. Sorry.” At least it would have been honest.

Nar.8327:

“We’re holding the leaderboard for now to see if we can’t decide on a better way to help differentiate people on it who are all at the same tier, other than just the first who got there specifically. Once we have decided that, we’ll need to code, test, and vet it and then update the leaderboards to reflect the new tracking.”

From Colin Johansson on GW2Guru.

So basically… “We realized that this was a really stupid idea and haven’t even begun working on it, but we needed an excuse to wipe everyone’s progress.”

I honestly would have preferred “We’ve reworked how fractals scale with mistlock instabilities, and we’re wiping everyone’s progress because we don’t know how to deal with people who got higher fractal levels than we intended. Sorry.” At least it would have been honest.

This is precisely why a Developer needs to post and lend some transparency to the issue. Colin’s statement is an excuse and an effort to punt the issue further down the road. If the leaderboard wasn’t ready, Colin, then why was it advertised in Fractured! and why was our progress reset? If you haven’t even coded—let alone tested—the leaderboard, why were we even told about it before Fractured!?

If you want to give us leaderboards and drag your feet developing them, fine. But don’t reset progress unless you actually have something tangible to give us in return. Mistlock Instabilities are NOT worth the time and effort I had to put in to reclaim 20 Fractal levels.

Why even have a leaderboard of individual players when fractals is 5-party team?…

So very questionable.

Tachii.3506:

Why even have a leaderboard of individual players when fractals is 5-party team?…

So very questionable.

And based on Colin’s quote it seems clear that they don’t even have a clear idea of what the leaderboard will be measuring—meaning it’s still in the very early stages of development. This whole situation is incredibly sketchy.

Extremely sketchy. It was all about not having a filler living story for that 2 weeks. They did it to keep with their 2 week promise. They didn’t think a lot of people would mind because not a lot of people ran fractals anyway.

Romo.3709:

They simply moved on assuring themselves that people will forget…

Which is precisely what’s going to happen.

Elephants never forget.
People also have long memories.

The CDI thread said that he would look into it.
I have very little reason now to go into a FoTM with the mess they left behind.

It seems the best builds still are 2x War, 2x Guard + 1 other now.
Previously there was a lot more versatility in the groups and many more runs being done.

The leaderboard was a pretty naff idea- race to the top (doesn’t indicate any form of skill). People will always find the easiest and shortest path (eg WvW zerging, PvP points etc – it’s all been seen before). I did sets the original suggestion for this in the suggestions forum a long time ago and dismissed it as a bad idea – but suspected ANET might try to implement it as it was suggested by a player. (Reminds self: not all suggestions turn out to be great real world ideas).

FoTM seems pretty dead now unless you are doing a guild run – something needs to change. The whole infusion change creates an even bigger barrier than was there before (70 AR is the safe level of agony for a FoTM 50 run which is just another gold sink).

All of these changes were mentioned on the forums before release- perhaps Discussion is required with the players about some concepts before things go horribly wrong.

spoj.9672:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Romo.3709:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Romo.3709:

We’ve been at it since a week before Fractured release. Absolutely nothing has been done. They simply moved on assuring themselves that people will forget…

I’ll never forget that thread. My guildies won’t let me forget it either. Lol

Haha. Same here. I went from doing fractals every day to doing low levels 1-2 times a week to help out guildies level up.

I only do fractals for daily now. So, swamp, level 1, done. Hehe. Sometimes I do harpy, for the champions.

Just roll for ascalon. Its bugged and will give you the daily achieve as soon as you go from lobby to ascalon fractal. No need to complete any.

Shhhhh dont let anet know of this bug….o wait were good they dont read the dungeon forum anyhow XD

deSade.9437:

Romo.3709:

They simply moved on assuring themselves that people will forget…

Which is precisely what’s going to happen.

Just for you, deSade. Everyone knows crying eagles are the best tools for Never Forgetting.

This would have required ANet to actually think their changes through.

But they don’t…ever.

I’m not surprised. And chances are we will not be receiving any feedback on the matter. And if we ask for it well.. we all know what happens to those threads.

I find the statements coming out recently tend to show that little has been understood by how the changes have affected player runs.

FoTM 49/50 will continued to be run so players skip all lower fractals – it’s just a AR gear check (gold sink). These players will eventually reach lvl 50- without experiencing any mistlock instabilities. It is as before – I don’t see any justification for the reset now or moving forward as higher levels are introduced if the same type of pattern continues (AR checks at every 10 levels).

I am concerned that there is a disconnect between how the players actually play the game and what is perceived by how it looks like it is being played.

maxinion.8396:

deSade.9437:

Romo.3709:

They simply moved on assuring themselves that people will forget…

Which is precisely what’s going to happen.

Just for you, deSade. Everyone knows crying eagles are the best tools for Never Forgetting.

Wat. Wat have I just seen.
Ok, I really need to go but I can’t stop lurking and staring at what dis community can come up with. Mesmerised _
Eagles or not, I still think people are going to stop barking about it and deal with it (not that I think it’s a good thing, quite the opposite…) as many did when that stupid ascended stuff came out. I mean, I never threatened to leave in the first place, but I was very upset too… yet, here I am.
For how long… that, I do not know. I acknowledge the community was hit hard, but you know how it is, people get emotional and then things cool down.
And Anet makes money.
P.S. Try with a cute kitty instead of an eagle.

deSade.9437:

maxinion.8396:

deSade.9437:

Romo.3709:

They simply moved on assuring themselves that people will forget…

Which is precisely what’s going to happen.

Just for you, deSade. Everyone knows crying eagles are the best tools for Never Forgetting.

Wat. Wat have I just seen.
Ok, I really need to go but I can’t stop lurking and staring at what dis community can come up with. Mesmerised _
Eagles or not, I still think people are going to stop barking about it and deal with it (not that I think it’s a good thing, quite the opposite…) as many did when that stupid ascended stuff came out. I mean, I never threatened to leave in the first place, but I was very upset too… yet, here I am.
For how long… that, I do not know. I acknowledge the community was hit hard, but you know how it is, people get emotional and then things cool down.
And Anet makes money.
P.S. Try with a cute kitty instead of an eagle.

We’ll see if players simply forget this time. 4/4/14 is right around the corner, so the metaphorical clock is ticking.

Kilandros.2098:

deSade.9437:

maxinion.8396:

deSade.9437:

Romo.3709:

They simply moved on assuring themselves that people will forget…

Which is precisely what’s going to happen.

Just for you, deSade. Everyone knows crying eagles are the best tools for Never Forgetting.

Wat. Wat have I just seen.
Ok, I really need to go but I can’t stop lurking and staring at what dis community can come up with. Mesmerised _
Eagles or not, I still think people are going to stop barking about it and deal with it (not that I think it’s a good thing, quite the opposite…) as many did when that stupid ascended stuff came out. I mean, I never threatened to leave in the first place, but I was very upset too… yet, here I am.
For how long… that, I do not know. I acknowledge the community was hit hard, but you know how it is, people get emotional and then things cool down.
And Anet makes money.
P.S. Try with a cute kitty instead of an eagle.

We’ll see if players simply forget this time. 4/4/14 is right around the corner, so the metaphorical clock is ticking.

Mmmm 4/6/14 is new GoT! Thanks for reminding me.

ESO will likely not take me from GW2 tbh. Too much time and effort invested for me to start over.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Kilandros.2098:

deSade.9437:

maxinion.8396:

deSade.9437:

Romo.3709:

They simply moved on assuring themselves that people will forget…

Which is precisely what’s going to happen.

Just for you, deSade. Everyone knows crying eagles are the best tools for Never Forgetting.

Wat. Wat have I just seen.
Ok, I really need to go but I can’t stop lurking and staring at what dis community can come up with. Mesmerised _
Eagles or not, I still think people are going to stop barking about it and deal with it (not that I think it’s a good thing, quite the opposite…) as many did when that stupid ascended stuff came out. I mean, I never threatened to leave in the first place, but I was very upset too… yet, here I am.
For how long… that, I do not know. I acknowledge the community was hit hard, but you know how it is, people get emotional and then things cool down.
And Anet makes money.
P.S. Try with a cute kitty instead of an eagle.

We’ll see if players simply forget this time. 4/4/14 is right around the corner, so the metaphorical clock is ticking.

Mmmm 4/6/14 is new GoT! Thanks for reminding me.

ESO will likely not take me from GW2 tbh. Too much time and effort invested for me to start over.

Starting over doesn’t sound that bad when we’re having progress wiped and starting over here anyway.

Kilandros.2098:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Kilandros.2098:

deSade.9437:

maxinion.8396:

deSade.9437:

Romo.3709:

They simply moved on assuring themselves that people will forget…

Which is precisely what’s going to happen.

Just for you, deSade. Everyone knows crying eagles are the best tools for Never Forgetting.

Wat. Wat have I just seen.
Ok, I really need to go but I can’t stop lurking and staring at what dis community can come up with. Mesmerised _
Eagles or not, I still think people are going to stop barking about it and deal with it (not that I think it’s a good thing, quite the opposite…) as many did when that stupid ascended stuff came out. I mean, I never threatened to leave in the first place, but I was very upset too… yet, here I am.
For how long… that, I do not know. I acknowledge the community was hit hard, but you know how it is, people get emotional and then things cool down.
And Anet makes money.
P.S. Try with a cute kitty instead of an eagle.

We’ll see if players simply forget this time. 4/4/14 is right around the corner, so the metaphorical clock is ticking.

Mmmm 4/6/14 is new GoT! Thanks for reminding me.

ESO will likely not take me from GW2 tbh. Too much time and effort invested for me to start over.

Starting over doesn’t sound that bad when we’re having progress wiped and starting over here anyway.

That’s true, but as my end game has always been aesthetics, that’s what I’ve focused on.

Plus I have 15 character slots to level.

TPMN.1483:

It seems the best builds still are 2x War, 2x Guard + 1 other now.
Previously there was a lot more versatility in the groups and many more runs being done.

FoTM seems pretty dead now unless you are doing a guild run – something needs to change. The whole infusion change creates an even bigger barrier than was there before (70 AR is the safe level of agony for a FoTM 50 run which is just another gold sink).

Um, regarding party makeup, it always seemed heavies was preferred for high-end fractals. The update didn’t seem to change anything. Necros and rangers are still suboptimal for these levels, guardians are still much needed for every level, etc.

And where did you even get the idea that FotM is pretty dead? There’s basically no changes to the sub30 FotMs and I imagine any party setup would still do them as usual as before. I also seem to have no problem finding parties daily for 49 fotm (I usually only know one other person in my party and the rest is lfgs).

Almost nobody does lv50 fotm before the update, and barely anything changed now. With ascended armor, there’s no need to rely on the +5 agony infusions when you can just buy versatile infusions into armors. I think the whole negativity is blown out of proportion here.

deSade.9437:

maxinion.8396:

deSade.9437:

Romo.3709:

They simply moved on assuring themselves that people will forget…

Which is precisely what’s going to happen.

Just for you, deSade. Everyone knows crying eagles are the best tools for Never Forgetting.

Wat. Wat have I just seen.
Ok, I really need to go but I can’t stop lurking and staring at what dis community can come up with. Mesmerised _
Eagles or not, I still think people are going to stop barking about it and deal with it (not that I think it’s a good thing, quite the opposite…) as many did when that stupid ascended stuff came out. I mean, I never threatened to leave in the first place, but I was very upset too… yet, here I am.
For how long… that, I do not know. I acknowledge the community was hit hard, but you know how it is, people get emotional and then things cool down.
And Anet makes money.
P.S. Try with a cute kitty instead of an eagle.

You ask, I deliver.

maxinion.8396:

deSade.9437:

maxinion.8396:

deSade.9437:

Romo.3709:

They simply moved on assuring themselves that people will forget…

Which is precisely what’s going to happen.

Just for you, deSade. Everyone knows crying eagles are the best tools for Never Forgetting.

Wat. Wat have I just seen.
Ok, I really need to go but I can’t stop lurking and staring at what dis community can come up with. Mesmerised _
Eagles or not, I still think people are going to stop barking about it and deal with it (not that I think it’s a good thing, quite the opposite…) as many did when that stupid ascended stuff came out. I mean, I never threatened to leave in the first place, but I was very upset too… yet, here I am.
For how long… that, I do not know. I acknowledge the community was hit hard, but you know how it is, people get emotional and then things cool down.
And Anet makes money.
P.S. Try with a cute kitty instead of an eagle.

You ask, I deliver.

Stunning.

I’m crying just thinking of the ASPCA and Sara mclachlan

PS these make great forum signatures

The best fractal party makeup is 5 warriors. Learn to deal with the mechanics without reflects. It makes you a better player and you learn a thing or two.

WTB a “Robert Hrouda: Never Forget” one.

maxinion.8396:

deSade.9437:

maxinion.8396:

deSade.9437:

Romo.3709:

They simply moved on assuring themselves that people will forget…

Which is precisely what’s going to happen.

Just for you, deSade. Everyone knows crying eagles are the best tools for Never Forgetting.

Wat. Wat have I just seen.
Ok, I really need to go but I can’t stop lurking and staring at what dis community can come up with. Mesmerised _
Eagles or not, I still think people are going to stop barking about it and deal with it (not that I think it’s a good thing, quite the opposite…) as many did when that stupid ascended stuff came out. I mean, I never threatened to leave in the first place, but I was very upset too… yet, here I am.
For how long… that, I do not know. I acknowledge the community was hit hard, but you know how it is, people get emotional and then things cool down.
And Anet makes money.
P.S. Try with a cute kitty instead of an eagle.

You ask, I deliver.

!!!
<3 <3 <3
<3 <3
Lav.
Am I allowed to have a pic in the quote, not only the link? Even though I doubt I’dmanage to do it correctly, I’m half drunk half asleep… Need to stay awake ’til 2pm O.o

Use this text in the signature:

"Never Forget":http://i.imgur.com/Oxra9sj.jpg

It surprises me that the OP is so upset about the things he mentions. I would surely have expected mention of some far bigger issues with Fractals:

• The Dredge fractal. Just the dredge fractal. For the love of Grenth improve it.
• Losing the hammer on Cliffside. Please fix this issue so we don’t have to mass suicide.
• That annoying cutscene at the lava fractal, and camera changes.
• Krait getting stuck in the ceiling at the underwater fractal.
• People getting insta-killed when falling down at the Categorized fractal.

Almost all of these are problems that were plaguing Fractals since its release. I think it’s about time these things were fixed.

Totally including it in my sig!

This should have been posted on GW2 General Discussion. Atleast it would have some exposure and seen by atleast a Dev or two before being closed/transfered to the Trashcan aka Dungeon forum that no one from Anet browses except for the moderators to gank our crying posts

Quickfoot Katana.8642:

This should have been posted on GW2 General Discussion. Atleast it would have some exposure and seen by atleast a Dev or two before being closed/transfered to the Trashcan aka Dungeon forum that no one from Anet browses except for the moderators to gank our crying posts

Been there done that. Over and over…

Quickfoot Katana.8642:

This should have been posted on GW2 General Discussion. Atleast it would have some exposure and seen by atleast a Dev or two before being closed/transfered to the Trashcan aka Dungeon forum that no one from Anet browses except for the moderators to gank our crying posts

Tried making a thread hoping for an ANet response and it just got thrown in here.

We did get a response though, “thread closed”.

mahariel.4981:

Quickfoot Katana.8642:

This should have been posted on GW2 General Discussion. Atleast it would have some exposure and seen by atleast a Dev or two before being closed/transfered to the Trashcan aka Dungeon forum that no one from Anet browses except for the moderators to gank our crying posts

Tried making a thread hoping for an ANet response and it just got thrown in here.

We did get a response though, “thread closed”.

The only response we ever get <3

At least the Fractured update made me finally realize this game will never achieve anything and I’m done with it. Kind of sad to see Nikaido reply to something in another thread, meaning he might have picked the game up again? I don’t know.

I’ll probably go back to GW1 after my finals, or stop gaming all together, who knows. At this point I prefer chest running in GW1 over doing anything in GW2 really. And I maxed out my Treasure Hunter title in 2011. I’ll probably take up doing DoA again and play with the few old friends I have left in the game, and always feel bad about all the wasted potential this game really is.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/Fractals-50-no-Daily-Chest/first#post3427150

There’s so many with issues with Fractal’s it’s not even funny, why anyone even bothers with 50 is beyond me.. It’s obviously bugged / broken like most of fractals after the update. Maybe if we cause enough ruckus they’ll actually do something about it instead of archiving the issues.

Syprus Soulslayer.1640:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/Fractals-50-no-Daily-Chest/first#post3427150

There’s so many with issues with Fractal’s it’s not even funny, why anyone even bothers with 50 is beyond me.. It’s obviously bugged / broken like most of fractals after the update. Maybe if we cause enough ruckus they’ll actually do something about it instead of archiving the issues.

There was plenty ruckus about the personal reward level reset but they did it anyway. Seems like we just have to get what they give us while its telling us tough kittens.

Its depressing.

I don’t find fractals worth running anymore. I have way too many rings and fractal weapon drops are nerfed. It takes about 1-2 hours to run (provided you don’t get stuck at dredge or shaman). Dungeons provide a much better reward.

never forget

/character minimum

My signature is the best. And I’ve seen people buying bridges left & right before fracture released.

Bright.9160:

At least the Fractured update made me finally realize this game will never achieve anything and I’m done with it. Kind of sad to see Nikaido reply to something in another thread, meaning he might have picked the game up again? I don’t know.

I did, but there isn’t a lot of great alternative in terms of mmo when you like action based mechanics.
Depending on what they intend to do to the meta though I might just leave the game for good if they introduce a ton of unavoidable damage and a soft trinity. I didn’t buy this game with the thought that we’d come to having requirement in grouping like having some sort of healer or anything like that. I’d rather play real trinity games if it came to that since they introduce grind with, gasp, new content, unlike gw2 which keeps introducing grinds without introducing new content to come with it. The amount of work done for things like ascended armor (ugh, the light armors) grinding the same content rather than new raids/dungeons etc makes this mmo look really flimsy. If they wanted vertical progression, it shouldn’t have left fractals and each piece should have come with plenty new fractal and levels to complete.

I think we should discuss that in the CDI Process Evolution Phase 2 which will start on Wednesday 22nd. Among other things we need to chat about what topics to discuss in the next CDIs and how to go about choosing them. I would personally like to have a week long PVE CDI on Fractals next (Running in conjunction with a PvP and WvW CDI) but we should discuss it as a group first.
Chris

—Page 65 CDI Threqd horizontal Progression.

There is hope yet?