Guild Wars 2

Many have noticed by now that the kick feature is flawed in practice due to the partiality of its system. As it stands right now it requires 40% of the party’s votes to pass a kick and in practice (and theory) that is a flawed concept. In practice it only requires one friend to pull down the lever which opens up more possibilities for harm than for good. To this date I’ve yet to see how the party kick feature has been helpful in anyway.

I am a frequent fractaler, I’ve amassed several skins, know all the mechanics back to back and have an 100% success rate on all of the runs EXCEPT for the ones I’ve been kicked. I’ve ran with players with less skill, others who go afk often, many who are clueless to mechanics and even then I carry the party through or even solo if needed without the need for a kick. The problem is, kicking has turned into a griefing mechanic instead of a amending one.
How is this? People don’t generally kick others because of their lack of skill unless they spend 90% of the fighting time dead or actively grief the party in some other way. People generally kick just because they don’t like something.

Here are some examples
I’ve been kicked for:
Suggesting a thief to use blinds
Advise people not to use melee on the grawl shaman when they keep dying to his melee nukes
Solo mai trin because a person wanted to have fun
Solo molten duo because I went ranged after the zerker was flooded with aoes (and thus wiped the rest)
For asking “what?” after being told shut your mouth.
And my favorite, to give a free reward to a guild member.

So what happens? The party turns into a toxic and untrusty group that is in constant fear of a kick; everybody has to kneel down and bow to the overlord and his “accept kick” buddy.

I generally don’t do much dungeons but when I do it’s even worse. People don’t think about it twice to kick a person. “Stacked on the wrong spot? Kick” “Didn’t die when all the party did? Must be cleric’s. Kick.” And that’s just giving some reasons for kicking, most of the time there is no reason at all.

If you give a person the ability to grief there will be people who will abuse of it. In the internet there is a lack of concern and empathy due to the anonimous nature of it so the others will rarely feel what the others have. This has to stop now. It’s growing more and more like kitten in the dungeon community and it’s starting to grow rotten fruit out of the tree like:
Don’t join any group with 2 of the same guild
Don’t speak, at all
Do all you’re told even if it’s bad advise
Look for a scapegoat other than yourself in every wipe
Only run with guildies (which is near impossible for high fractals)

It’s getting out of hand. Kicks should be done with only the absolute majority. Why? It ensures that if there’s ONE griefer then the party will agree to kick him/her. If the party fails to go through a certain stage then it’s the party’s fault, the added sum of their skill is not enough to get through.
This madness needs to stop. We should have a healthier community, not one that is holding their hot finger over the red button to ensure they click it first.

I rarely get kicked from any content. If people don’t like you they’ll kick you. Fair and square.

Try running with people you get along with and you’ll have a better experience.

Ive rarely got kicked in any way despite running anormal builds such as axe rangers. Im generaly the one kicking people when they are real jerks. When im realy mad about a guy ill sometime ponder if other people think the same and issue a votekick (this was true even back when host still existed and has not changed). Thing is some guys REALY deserve the boot out of party because who has not met a jerk once in a while that actualy ruined the instance ambiance. I generaly issue votekick only when the guy is a serious anoyance (I dont care if you die a thousand time, just dont be a prick). It doesnt mather how good you are, you could be in Rt for all i care but if you start insulting the team members or anoying everyone no skill or achievement tag is gunna save you from a vote kick.

Running a triple vote wont mean much if the team actualy has 3 friends togueter and trust me griefers will likely not go witheout less then at least one friend in a team.

I must say I’ve only been wrongfully kicked from fractals once and it was because I asked my group to reset the chanter spawns at the arm seals in Cliffside after they had triggered both sides.
More often than not I leave on my accord when not satisfied with a PUG’s performance depending on how far into the fractal the group is i.e. "These guys are ranging Bloomhunger? Oh well won’t even wait to see how they go about the harder bosses then *leaves*".

What I’ve noticed more and more lately is the amount of people running WvW zerg and roaming builds in fractals i.e. S/D thieves with Infiltrator’s Signet, Shadow Refuge and Shadowstep for utilities, people with falling damage traits.

My advice is not to join any groups that don’t clearly advertise the playstyle that you abide to. In my case a group advertising for instance "Lv 50 Meta Zerks Gearcheck" would be far more appealing than one simply advertising "Lv 50".

Zephyric Reaper.3049:

As it stands right now it requires 40% of the party’s votes to pass a kick

Confirmed for not playing I guess. (in patchnotes we trust)

Other than that no. It has not turned into abuse. It was always abused.

@OP: What abuse? votes of the remaining 4 members is 50%, not 40%. Since when the jury includes defendants? Don’t mess with me on math. It’s their group that you join, their expectations, they can do w/e they want. Dont be a kitten. How about Start your own group with your own expectation? what stopping you from making your own group? Why must you insist on being in someone else’s ? Answer that first.

I am guessing this was posted before the patch notes, about now requiring 50% (in a 5 person group that is 3 votes required). But the OP wanted kicks only with an absolute majority. Well, 3 out of 5 is an absolute majority. In any event, I agree with those saying don’t join other groups, expecially those without clearly advertised requirments. Doing so, and not meeting the groups expectations will most certainly lead to getting kicked. (i.e. joining a zerker only group and not wearing zerker). As far as guild groups (groups with 2 or more guildies), it depends on the guild really. When I do dungeon runs with my guild and we bring a pug along we rarely kick, even if said pug is being a kittenhead.

I myself rarely get kicked. I’m not the greatest player ever, but I don’t join speed runs, or other groups looking for x,y,z. I almost always start my own “any welcome” groups, and actually do quite well. Good people most of the time, and smooth runs.

Zephyric Reaper.3049:

Many have noticed by now that the kick feature is flawed in practice due to the partiality of its system. As it stands right now it requires 40% of the party’s votes to pass a kick and in practice (and theory) that is a flawed concept.

You already have an opening statement that is flawed.
Ideally, 4 people vote on the 1 person that is being “judged”. 2 is 50% of 4, not 40%. The one “under judgement” shouldn’t obviously be allowed to vote. “Weell, I’d like to stay in the party.” No s—t?

Personally, I think the gw1 system was the best one, and to hell all this socialistic utopia of everyone messing up the party’s cohesion because they wanna be special.

It’s not the “system” that is flawed: it’s the jerks abusing the feature to make other people miserable and the idiots thinking they have been kicked for no reason (hint, 90% of time there’s a reason), coming here to complain.
3 votes would perhaps require the trolls to gather a few more friends to keep doing what they’re doing (since anet isn’t doing anything about it), and this is good. On the other hand, it would also require YOU to gather more friends and kick an incredibly bad or annoying player.

In brief, bad people are still gonna bad people, 3 or 4 votes. It’s just a nuisance.

P.S. You know a thing I’d like? A proper votation, like “I want this guy to stay”. Would be interesting.

I think one other issue with the kick system is that ALL groups generally do have some requirements, especially those with only the path number listed. Those seem to be the groups most kick-happy, as they are not upfront about their group expectations.

My relatively new NA account has pretty low AP, so my characters get kicked from no-description pugs literally 10secs in. Sometimes I actually have the time to say in chat that it’s a second account, but rarely, and increasingly so. Usually I’m lucky if I manage to say hello :P

I mostly do make my own lfgs, but sometimes I’m playing on NA servers at off-peak hours and there is a group half-filled for the path I want to run. I do generally try to avoid the no description lfgs, but sometimes the small hope of actual convenience wins over logic. Keep forgetting that there isn’t any logic in pug land lol.