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Posted by: Firebird Gomer.9563

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The toxicity level of all these forums is totally out of control. Anet do something, anything, but STOP not saying anything on the forums.

On topic.

I am neither a bad player or a great player. I can do content and I have a fairly good Achievement Point score over 22000. But I struggle to do raids because of lag.

On a few raids that I have done, (gave up because it just annoyed me) on Teamspeak, someone would call the Green Circle and 5 seconds later it would show up on my screen. I cost the raids because of my lag. This is not my fault and yet I am punished and told to get good. I know I’m capable of doing the raids if lag wasn’t there.

I want my legendary armor. I want a challenge. Changes to raids NEED to happen. And all the toxic elitists need to get over it.

Dev’s of Anet. Get on these forums and actually talk to us. You don’t need to explain every detail of what you’re going to do or what is technically unachievable. You don’t need to argue with the player base. But you need to tell us that you are trying to work out our issues.

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Posted by: TheFrighteningFrenchFry.3275

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I think this thread toughed the topic if your having ping issues:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Raids-Hurt-us-Oceanic-in-EU/first#post5838838

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Posted by: Firebird Gomer.9563

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I think this thread toughed the topic if your having ping issues:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Raids-Hurt-us-Oceanic-in-EU/first#post5838838

I know but the title doesn’t do it for me. Mine points it out for everyone.

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Posted by: TheFrighteningFrenchFry.3275

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I think this thread toughed the topic if your having ping issues:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Raids-Hurt-us-Oceanic-in-EU/first#post5838838

I know but the title doesn’t do it for me. Mine points it out for everyone.

lol the the title doesn’t do it for you. Anyhow, I think all that needs to be said has already been said in the other thread. I’ll quote the one comment ( not from me ): Honestly, challenging raid mechanics usually involve some sort of precise timing in order to execute them well. These raids were definitely not designed to be played on high ping. Which means there’s not really a good solution to your problem. It is beyond unlikely we’ll see any changes to the raid at least for the next few months, and especially not to compensate for people playing on high ping. I guess start praying for an Oceanic server?

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Posted by: Firebird Gomer.9563

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I think this thread toughed the topic if your having ping issues:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Raids-Hurt-us-Oceanic-in-EU/first#post5838838

I know but the title doesn’t do it for me. Mine points it out for everyone.

lol the the title doesn’t do it for you. Anyhow, I think all that needs to be said has already been said in the other thread. I’ll quote the one comment ( not from me ): Honestly, challenging raid mechanics usually involve some sort of precise timing in order to execute them well. These raids were definitely not designed to be played on high ping. Which means there’s not really a good solution to your problem. It is beyond unlikely we’ll see any changes to the raid at least for the next few months, and especially not to compensate for people playing on high ping. I guess start praying for an Oceanic server?

Anet have been asked for a Oceanic server. They pretty much said no. In the usual PR way of not saying no if you get what I mean.

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Posted by: TheFrighteningFrenchFry.3275

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I think this thread toughed the topic if your having ping issues:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Raids-Hurt-us-Oceanic-in-EU/first#post5838838

I know but the title doesn’t do it for me. Mine points it out for everyone.

lol the the title doesn’t do it for you. Anyhow, I think all that needs to be said has already been said in the other thread. I’ll quote the one comment ( not from me ): Honestly, challenging raid mechanics usually involve some sort of precise timing in order to execute them well. These raids were definitely not designed to be played on high ping. Which means there’s not really a good solution to your problem. It is beyond unlikely we’ll see any changes to the raid at least for the next few months, and especially not to compensate for people playing on high ping. I guess start praying for an Oceanic server?

Anet have been asked for a Oceanic server. They pretty much said no. In the usual PR way of not saying no if you get what I mean.

So then what was the point of the thread? If you know Anet won’t do a Oceanic server, the only other option I see available is to balance CGC around people with high ping which is a little ridiculous. It would seem there isn’t really a solution to the problem that’s very likely or that makes much sense.

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Posted by: TheFrighteningFrenchFry.3275

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:p
Hehe… im sooooo glad to know someone understand what i say……….. my poor friends tht has to suffer to play with us – we are the “bad players” due to lag. Theys said we dont mind to come and help! They done all 3 bosses after reset on monday.. and spend thr rest of week everyday trying out with us?! But only wipe after wipe with us. I am starting to feel this is too much pressure we put to the team. is there really nothing can be done?

“is there really nothing can be done?”

Well, you could move to a better spot : P Otherwise no, there isn’t really much that can be done.

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Posted by: Misguided.5139

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That sounds awful, but you’d think there must be some way to make the best of it. If you know you have bad lag, why on earth are you on the circle team? If you are in melee with the boss, you can at least move back a bit when someone calls blue without having to go to a specific spot.

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Posted by: Firebird Gomer.9563

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:p
Hehe… im sooooo glad to know someone understand what i say……….. my poor friends tht has to suffer to play with us – we are the “bad players” due to lag. Theys said we dont mind to come and help! They done all 3 bosses after reset on monday.. and spend thr rest of week everyday trying out with us?! But only wipe after wipe with us. I am starting to feel this is too much pressure we put to the team. is there really nothing can be done?

Probably the only option is to get your other players to run you through 1 at a time and carry you. Which doesn’t truly help but might be the only way round what are broken mechanics for people with lag.

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Posted by: Firebird Gomer.9563

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That sounds awful, but you’d think there must be some way to make the best of it. If you know you have bad lag, why on earth are you on the circle team? If you are in melee with the boss, you can at least move back a bit when someone calls blue without having to go to a specific spot.

Because I’m a ranger (sigh a totally different conversation of why I was sad when they made us healer as you need to be running on a low ping system) and a ranger must be a druid and must go straight heals or condi in raids. Sigh. As for going a different class and going in close it’s still just as hard. I know that VG can be changing to split and by the time it shows up on my screen I’m out of position and everyone is elsewhere and then it can go totally pear shaped cause no one thinks to say something to the Druid about the split. There are all sorts of problems and yet while Im sure solutions can be worked out by Anet as Mr Fry said they won’t do it. So I and many others miss out on content and armor we desperately want.

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Posted by: PopeUrban.2578

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If everyone around you doesn’t experience that lag… then it is you, and it is your fault.

This isn’t Arenanet’s problem. It’s a problem with your IP or connection.

Now, if everyone in your raid group was experiencing constant lag, then that would seem to indicate a problem on arenanet’s end with the server.

However, seeing as it’s just you…

This is probably the wrong forum to be complaining about your lag issues.

You don’t design games for people who can’t meet the minimum hardware and connection requirements. You design the game for a certain standard in terms of hardware and connection speed.

The fact that you do not meet this threshold is your problem, not arenanet’s problem. The other members of your raid that actually meet the system requirements seem to be carrying you just fine.

Of course lag is not conducive to raiding. That’s probably why people with chronic lag problems generally avoid handicapping their groups by selfishly participating in content they know their connection is going to make them bad at

It’s like you’ve bought a new game and attempted to play it on a 486, and then complained to the developer that it runs like crap. The very simple solution to your problem is get a better connection, or a better computer so thatyou aren’t suffering these lag problems

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Posted by: Mega Skeleton.8259

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I went in with our Oceanic raid group last night/morning and it started off well, but connection and lag issues were constantly plaguing them, I felt so bad for them

But there are no Oceanic servers, they’re just SOL. What are those people supposed to do, Pope? Anet doesn’t support their region.

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If everyone around you doesn’t experience that lag… then it is you, and it is your fault.

This isn’t Arenanet’s problem. It’s a problem with your IP or connection.

Now, if everyone in your raid group was experiencing constant lag, then that would seem to indicate a problem on arenanet’s end with the server.

However, seeing as it’s just you…

This is probably the wrong forum to be complaining about your lag issues.

You don’t design games for people who can’t meet the minimum hardware and connection requirements. You design the game for a certain standard in terms of hardware and connection speed.

The fact that you do not meet this threshold is your problem, not arenanet’s problem. The other members of your raid that actually meet the system requirements seem to be carrying you just fine.

Of course lag is not conducive to raiding. That’s probably why people with chronic lag problems generally avoid handicapping their groups by selfishly participating in content they know their connection is going to make them bad at

It’s like you’ve bought a new game and attempted to play it on a 486, and then complained to the developer that it runs like crap. The very simple solution to your problem is get a better connection, or a better computer so thatyou aren’t suffering these lag problems

Wow your pretty toxic and don’t read so well huh, also I would have to believe you are lucky and have never experienced real lag. Good for you.

You call me selfish. I stopped raiding so I didn’t hold back others. Yes I seem to be selfish.

You don’t know anything about my PC at all. For all you know I might have a $5000 PC with lots of up to date gear in it.

You don’t know what country I live in either. To get a better connection I may have to move countries… Not gonna happen.

So its all my fault that I have lag. Or its my PC’s Fault. Or its my IP’s Fault. LOL I just can’t comment further to your troll post. Thanks for coming, don’t come again if all you want to do is be mean and troll.

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Posted by: Firebird Gomer.9563

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I went in with our Oceanic raid group last night/morning and it started off well, but connection and lag issues were constantly plaguing them, I felt so bad for them

But there are no Oceanic servers, they’re just SOL. What are those people supposed to do, Pope? Anet doesn’t support their region.

Thank’s Mega. Makes me feel better.

Some people just don’t get how frustrating it is. I really want to do it but it makes me feel sick cause I don’t want to hold others back or cause a wipe.

I don’t believe in having extra servers around the world. I would just like Anet/NCSoft work on a system that gives lee-way. Or make some small modifications to the current system to make somethings client side instead of server side.

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Posted by: Belzebu.3912

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… on Teamspeak, someone would call the Green Circle and 5 seconds later it would show up on my screen.

If your lag is nearly this bad (even if it is a 2s difference) it is a problem with your end or your ISP, 2000~5000 ms ping is just to high for anything.

I live in Brazil and I killed VG and it wasn’t that bad, I never tried the other 2 bosses for lack of time.

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Posted by: PopeUrban.2578

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If everyone around you doesn’t experience that lag… then it is you, and it is your fault.

This isn’t Arenanet’s problem. It’s a problem with your IP or connection.

Now, if everyone in your raid group was experiencing constant lag, then that would seem to indicate a problem on arenanet’s end with the server.

However, seeing as it’s just you…

This is probably the wrong forum to be complaining about your lag issues.

You don’t design games for people who can’t meet the minimum hardware and connection requirements. You design the game for a certain standard in terms of hardware and connection speed.

The fact that you do not meet this threshold is your problem, not arenanet’s problem. The other members of your raid that actually meet the system requirements seem to be carrying you just fine.

Of course lag is not conducive to raiding. That’s probably why people with chronic lag problems generally avoid handicapping their groups by selfishly participating in content they know their connection is going to make them bad at

It’s like you’ve bought a new game and attempted to play it on a 486, and then complained to the developer that it runs like crap. The very simple solution to your problem is get a better connection, or a better computer so thatyou aren’t suffering these lag problems

Wow your pretty toxic and don’t read so well huh, also I would have to believe you are lucky and have never experienced real lag. Good for you.

You call me selfish. I stopped raiding so I didn’t hold back others. Yes I seem to be selfish.

You don’t know anything about my PC at all. For all you know I might have a $5000 PC with lots of up to date gear in it.

You don’t know what country I live in either. To get a better connection I may have to move countries… Not gonna happen.

So its all my fault that I have lag. Or its my PC’s Fault. Or its my IP’s Fault. LOL I just can’t comment further to your troll post. Thanks for coming, don’t come again if all you want to do is be mean and troll.

You’re complaining that the encounter isn’t designed to accomodate for circumstance the game itself isn’t designed to accomodate for.

If it’s a server ping issue, go after the actual issue: There isn’t a performant oceanic cluster. Arenanet doesn’t value you as customers, so why do you keep giving them your money? If they’ve said it isn’t worth their time to support a cluster near you… why do you put up with the lag and play the game like that in stead of choosing a different company that actually cares about you as consumers?

I tried to play this Japanese game once. The lag was awful. The company said they wouldn’t be releasing a NA version, and didn’t see any value in making adjustements for the NA player base.

So I stopped playing that game because it ran poorly and the people in charge of it told me it would always run poorly from my region.

This has nothing to do with the design of the raids. You’re stating that the game should be designed around poor hardware or network perfomance

The root of your problem is that lag right? So how about addressing the lag? That’s the problem, not the design of the content.

I’ll use a friendlier analogy so perhaps its more clear.

The game is a car designed to run on standard petrol. You put diesel in it, and it doesn’t run properly. Then you complain that it doesn’t run on diesel in stead of realizing that you should have either bought a car that runs on diesel, or put standard petrol in the tank.

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Posted by: Talindra.4958

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Raid today. A few frozen screen.. friend asked hows the ping so i chcked … 600! Lol wth -.- anyway we finally did vg for this week. Repeating it on sat to help other friends. I know gorse im gonna suffer hard

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Posted by: TheFrighteningFrenchFry.3275

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I went in with our Oceanic raid group last night/morning and it started off well, but connection and lag issues were constantly plaguing them, I felt so bad for them

But there are no Oceanic servers, they’re just SOL. What are those people supposed to do, Pope? Anet doesn’t support their region.

Thank’s Mega. Makes me feel better.

Some people just don’t get how frustrating it is. I really want to do it but it makes me feel sick cause I don’t want to hold others back or cause a wipe.

I don’t believe in having extra servers around the world. I would just like Anet/NCSoft work on a system that gives lee-way. Or make some small modifications to the current system to make somethings client side instead of server side.

“I would just like Anet/NCSoft work on a system that gives lee-way.”

This is supposed to be challenging group content.

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Posted by: Firebird Gomer.9563

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Just so the people who don’t want to think outside the box for a moment.

I can play every other bit of content in this game successfully including PVP and WvWvW where lag should cause all sorts of issues. For some reason Raids don’t allow me to successfully interact properly.

I am sure that Anet can do something that makes is playable without taking away from the challenge of the raid.

Also Mr Fry I think you missed something in repost of my post. I suggested 2 options. Not 1. And a lee-way system doesn’t mean to make it easier.

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Posted by: TheFrighteningFrenchFry.3275

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And a lee-way system doesn’t mean to make it easier.

I’m a bit confused. If you get more lee-way, how isn’t that easier? And yeah there were two suggestions I was just addressing the one cause I ain’t technical to know if the other one is or is not possible and what that would all mean.

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Posted by: Firebird Gomer.9563

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Lee-way means: If I do a dodge before such and such a event, but the dodge arrives at the server after the event I would be given credit for the dodge. What would be better is if its client side not server side.

This is a bad example of what I would like to see but its probably the easiest example to say.

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Posted by: TheFrighteningFrenchFry.3275

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Lee-way means: If I do a dodge before such and such a event, but the dodge arrives at the server after the event I would be given credit for the dodge. What would be better is if its client side not server side.

This is a bad example of what I would like to see but its probably the easiest example to say.

So one of your two solutions was to add more lee-way, which WOULD make it easier, because then people wouldn’t have to react to the boss as fast. I don’t understand, more lee-way = easier, I thought that was pretty clear. Like to me it’s like saying easier doesn’t equal easier.

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