Guild Wars 2

We both decided to run arah p2 yesterday and chose to use the ingame lfg and posted “experienced” only. The first 2 we got were people who had run it before and actually knew how to read! But with hopes high the last member was an elementalist that ran staff the entire time, was his first ever dungeon and was in Trading Post exotics and had less than 1k AP. So we decided to go against all logic and actually let him stay in the run because we felt like being generous. The run took 2 hours, the ele died constantly, on the run to the first boss, on the run to the second boss by aggroing the spider after the detonation and on lupi was dead the entire time, even asking to be revived halfway through phase 2 when he was fully dead. But it felt oddly pleasing knowing that we helped that poor soul completing his first ever dungeon.

But Guanglai says ele staff is good ?? I do not compute

Zelyhn.8069:

But Guanglai says ele staff is good ?? I do not compute

sorry, forgot to add the part where he was using constant fire attunement, not swapping between all 4

Well actually you have to give him credits for that
Swapping with staff is very suboptimal, but of course if he can’t survive just by sticking to fire …
Why am I not surprised ?

Minigrump.4961:

Zelyhn.8069:

But Guanglai says ele staff is good ?? I do not compute

sorry, forgot to add the part where he was using constant fire attunement, not swapping between all 4

That was a mistake…he should have camped water instead!

Nerien.5412:

Minigrump.4961:

Zelyhn.8069:

But Guanglai says ele staff is good ?? I do not compute

sorry, forgot to add the part where he was using constant fire attunement, not swapping between all 4

That was a mistake…he should have camped water instead!

It is common/accepted knowledge in the BHB community that green numbers = support. Somebody has to be the backbone of the group and heal all you horrible zerkers that die so easily. Dead dps = no dps…. duh.

On a side note…. very misleading title =(

Minigrump.4961:

We both decided to run arah p2 yesterday and chose to use the ingame lfg and posted “experienced” only. The first 2 we got were people who had run it before and actually knew how to read! But with hopes high the last member was an elementalist that ran staff the entire time, was his first ever dungeon and was in Trading Post exotics and had less than 1k AP. So we decided to go against all logic and actually let him stay in the run because we felt like being generous. The run took 2 hours, the ele died constantly, on the run to the first boss, on the run to the second boss by aggroing the spider after the detonation and on lupi was dead the entire time, even asking to be revived halfway through phase 2 when he was fully dead. But it felt oddly pleasing knowing that we helped that poor soul completing his first ever dungeon.

Welcome to the world of being a decent, friendly player.

Zelyhn.8069:

Well actually you have to give him credits for that
Swapping with staff is very suboptimal, but of course if he can’t survive just by sticking to fire …
Why am I not surprised ?

Nuhuh, gotta have that eruption already placed while closing the distance then swap fire and lava font it.

Zelyhn.8069:

But Guanglai says ele staff is good ?? I do not compute

How do you factor in the need to swap? Guanglai is just trying to make simple starightforward models as a means for comparison. In the same calcs the mesmer phantasms are assumed alive and so are ranger pets. Basically, it’s an idealized model neglecting the need for condition removal or things like that. I don’t think any profession is assumed to swap in any calcs.

Personally, I find simplfied models enlightening because it gives a fundamental understanding of the mechanics. Then you can of course debate swapping and stuff and how that affects dps. But you still want the ideal limits.

At the end of the day, I don’t feel like I should have to defend those calcs. I mean, clearly they’re an ideal limit. No reason to knock them for that. You got to start somewhere.

Clearly the guy was just new/inexperienced, but you can call staff ele bad if it makes you feel good about yourself.

Yes I have a bad opinion of staff.

I am not going to express my opinion of Guanglai’s guide because I am clearly biased

Dahkeus.8243:

Minigrump.4961:

We both decided to run arah p2 yesterday and chose to use the ingame lfg and posted “experienced” only. The first 2 we got were people who had run it before and actually knew how to read! But with hopes high the last member was an elementalist that ran staff the entire time, was his first ever dungeon and was in Trading Post exotics and had less than 1k AP. So we decided to go against all logic and actually let him stay in the run because we felt like being generous. The run took 2 hours, the ele died constantly, on the run to the first boss, on the run to the second boss by aggroing the spider after the detonation and on lupi was dead the entire time, even asking to be revived halfway through phase 2 when he was fully dead. But it felt oddly pleasing knowing that we helped that poor soul completing his first ever dungeon.

Welcome to the world of being a decent, friendly player.

I think what he meant was playing games with our girlfriends
;)

next time bring a newspaper… after the third of forth death, cover him with news paper and move on. You can always pick him up later.

Wait…you have a girlfriend?

GRATS BRO

Well and friend of mine and me are running Arah quite often. We also often times pug and join/get different kinds of groups. It is quite fun to see how some “experienced players” manage to our “standards” (basically most of these "lfg 3m p3 only expert " groups consist of pretty supbar players that just think they are good, because they don’t permanently die @GL).
But we also run with beginers quite often and I have to say that i appreciate someone calling out that he is a noob and needs help with strategies and stuff and most of the time I don’t mind “carrying” those guys through arah, explaning how bosses can be killed/skips can be done and even killing a bit more mobs than usual. Indeed you get quite a nice feeling out of that, although it is a shame that only a small part of these “noobs” actually enter a dungeon like arah, maybe because they are afraid of those “exeprt etlist playre only” or because they don’t like at least some challenge, maybe because the rewards are not good enough for completing dungeons anymore, who knows.

The player base seemed much nicer when I first started playing, I was trained by pugs for most dungeons before joining a guild. Now? I don’t actually know how people do it…

They do something called watching youtube. Or complaining on the forums, because we always love to give them a warm reception.

Seriously, watch a video and even if you’ve never done the dungeon before you’ll pass off as experienced, it worked for me (and then you get time to actually learn the dungeon without being scrutinised by random bads).

Dolan.3071:

The player base seemed much nicer when I first started playing, I was trained by pugs for most dungeons before joining a guild. Now? I don’t actually know how people do it…

I remember the veteran players were much nicer. I think thats because after the hype GW2 started to lose lots of players, many servers started to get empty and the game appeared to be “dying”, so the playerbase were more kind to new players, and there wasn’t this meta of FULL BERSERKER PING GEAR blablabla.

When i started to pug dungeons i used my lvl 80 warrior with green gear using sword+shield, i’ve never got kicked because of that. And i used to hate skipping, i never knew when to use stability, what stunbreak was etc.

It is natural that the environment was more conducive to learning during game launch since everyone was more or less on a clean slate. As the game stabilize, so do ppl’s expectations.

That being said, it is not that difficult to learn paths. Personally I re-learned arah bout 3months ago due to getting bored of dungeons I frequent and wanting to take adv of the new reward scheme. I pugged more or less as a first timer since I havent done Arah in 6 mths and I also let my party know that fact. Any first timers only need to be first timers for the first few runs, you just need to be tolerable of the possible rejections or scrutiny before you learn the path.

I run with new guys from my guild all the time. They have less than 1k achievements and no exotics. I explain to them what to do and we clear the dungeon pretty fast.

It is your fault for not explaining what to do. If you don’t want to explain, there is a party function that allows you to kick people from the party, allowing you to find a more suited for your needs member.

Usually if you think that 1 member is failing, then your party is not good. You can’t blame 1 person for doing bad in a dungeon that you can solo. If you are so much better than them you can probably do it 4 man.

Now we probably have yet another staff ele running around with the dungeon master title.

I just ran one through P2 the other day, he sat in water attunement most of the time and auto attacked. urgh.

Trixie.7614:

I run with new guys from my guild all the time. They have less than 1k achievements and no exotics. I explain to them what to do and we clear the dungeon pretty fast.

It is your fault for not explaining what to do. If you don’t want to explain, there is a party function that allows you to kick people from the party, allowing you to find a more suited for your needs member.

Usually if you think that 1 member is failing, then your party is not good. You can’t blame 1 person for doing bad in a dungeon that you can solo. If you are so much better than them you can probably do it 4 man.

Sometimes yes, other times no. That one person could be pulling extra mobs (like the spot around Lupi), could be staying in range p3 of lupi as to start the bubbles, or even in other dungeons, say AC spider queen, where that person might dodge backwards and start the spider queen range attack, wiping the party.

Yes you can kick them. But times it’s easier to give them another chance…. or two.

I carried a group of Spanish people through p3, even killed Lupicus with 6 stacks (solo started at 70%hp), and then I told them everything necessary at last boss, and we did it somehow. They gave me bonus 10g as a reward. Very kind

Sublimatio.6981:

I carried a group of Spanish people through p3, even killed Lupicus with 6 stacks (solo started at 70%hp), and then I told them everything necessary at last boss, and we did it somehow. They gave me bonus 10g as a reward. Very kind

omg you have only 17g (now 27 with that 10g), you’re so poor :S
You need to stop soloing lupicus and do more casual stuff. I’m a casual player and i have almost 300g.

I have legendary, 12 characters, Miniature Collector and 5723582 convenient items. I also tend to spend my money quickly.