“If you are casual and can’t raid, you can always go into a friend’s cleared instance and experience the story.”
I’m personally not into story here, but I’m not sure what to say entirely about the above quote in a constructive way. I’ll try, though.
This is just one topic, but the way certain things are being handled, and mentality behind them, do nothing except leave bitter tastes in players mouths and divide the community. The whole raid issue has caused a rift, and it’s this type of stuff that contributes to it. Instead of the majority vote being “wow, this is great content and story! Thanks devs!”, it has become unnecessary protests from each side. That’s not the players fault, it’s the developers responsibility for this occurring.
I refer to City of Heroes a lot because the devs there did a lot of things better during your gw era, and even now with gw2 in 2016. In City, no player was excluded from content in any way, unlike here. End game rewards were provided in all parts of the game and players never felt forced into certain content. The devs there never made intentional decisions that would divide their community, they wanted to bring all players together…
The more time goes on with this game, the more I keep seeing the same old mmo. City broke the mmo mold in many ways by those developers, because their mentality was more connected to gamers and customers. It’s that mentality that seems to be lacking in many ways here. I really think it’s time to reconnect with why we are all here in the first place, and that’s the love of gaming. Time to get back to some “grass roots” game making and gaming pride. Just put down those spread sheets and be gamers for gamers again.
Honestly, “things” need to change here, so please spend some time reflecting how you offer content and story and rewards and all sorts of stuff… to players. Also, profession are the common denominator to all content, but profession development has been severely lacking since launch. It’s time to bring out some of those old drawing boards and do something substantial for classes, and to build better roles, fix up weapons to be more competitive, clean up the trait messiness, reevaluate certain things like stealth mechanics and conditions in wvw and spvp…
We are well beyond info gathering stages, so just get stuff done. Start making your community less divided and your customers happier to throw more money at your company.
Thanks for reading.
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All professions are raid viable, and we don’t need another easy mode thread.
If you want to do the story, you have options. If you actually want to do the content, go out there and do the content. Complaining here that you aren’t willing to put in the time and effort wont help this change.
I mentioned improving professions.
It’s called “inclusive” mode, and the right thing to do. It’s a poor decision to cater to or design things for a small percentage of players.
The devs need to rethink a lot of “things” overall and start providing better options.
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Use whatever buzz word you want. It’s painfully clear you’ve not played the raids or put the time or energy into it.
Literally every class is viable including various states of non-elite spec builds.
Is there a “meta build” for every class. Yes. Is it the only build. No. Stop being delusional and trying to create an non-issue here.
Use whatever buzz word you want. It’s painfully clear you’ve not played the raids or put the time or energy into it.
Literally every class is viable including various states of non-elite spec builds.
Is there a “meta build” for every class. Yes. Is it the only build. No. Stop being delusional and trying to create an non-issue here.
Your post is taking things out of context. I suggest rereading things.
Things need to be more inclusive, not just designed or created for a small percentage of players. I’m sure you would agree with this mentality.
Use whatever buzz word you want. It’s painfully clear you’ve not played the raids or put the time or energy into it.
Literally every class is viable including various states of non-elite spec builds.
Is there a “meta build” for every class. Yes. Is it the only build. No. Stop being delusional and trying to create an non-issue here.Your post is taking things out of context. I suggest rereading things.
Things need to be more inclusive, not just designed or created for a small percentage of players. I’m sure you would agree with this mentality.
Raids are already inclusive, the only thing missing is a proper LFG tool which is in dev.
Again, you’re making a mountain out of literally a molehill.
I’m going to quote you for reasons…
TLDR; Create demand for worthless items with huge supply, rather than driving up the demand for items which already have healthy supply and demand.
Why would you think that John Smith et al haven’t already considered all of the high supply|low demand items?
Might be the cynic in me, but because i don’t think John Smith cares ?
Most of his post history comes off entirely as catering to micro’ing the economy so hard as to mirror a real world one which drags the fun out of even playing the game. His vision of the game caters to the extreme 1% than wants to sit there an play the TP all day long.
You “don’t think John Smith cares” because you feel he is catering to the 1% of players with regard to the economy and you feel that the only way to get ahead is if you play the tp all day… All of this economy stuff drags the fun out of playing the game for you…
So, given that I buy all my gold with gems and don’t have your economy issues, I could tell you to stop being a (I’ll use some of your own words) “complainer who feels entitled without putting in the work for gold or $ into the game”…
So here we have a case where you have issues with the economy being catered to a small group of players, yet when it comes to raids it’s all ok…
When you start removing “raw emotion” from your view, you’ll be able to look at this subject more objectively.
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I’m going to quote you for reasons…
TLDR; Create demand for worthless items with huge supply, rather than driving up the demand for items which already have healthy supply and demand.
Why would you think that John Smith et al haven’t already considered all of the high supply|low demand items?
Might be the cynic in me, but because i don’t think John Smith cares ?
Most of his post history comes off entirely as catering to micro’ing the economy so hard as to mirror a real world one which drags the fun out of even playing the game. His vision of the game caters to the extreme 1% than wants to sit there an play the TP all day long.
You “don’t think John Smith cares” because you feel he is catering to the 1% of players with regard to the economy and you feel that the only way to get ahead is if you play the tp all day… All of this economy stuff drags the fun out of playing the game for you…
So, given that I buy all my gold with gems and don’t have your economy issues, I could tell you to stop being a (I’ll use some of your own words) “complainer who feels entitled without putting in the work for gold or $ into the game”…
So here we have a case where you have issues with the economy being catered to a small group of players, yet when it comes to raids it’s all ok…
When you start removing “raw emotion” from your view, you’ll be able to look at this subject more objectively.
You did read, that whole cynic in me part right, no ?
Okay congrats on bringing in a quote out of context that has no bearing on the situation at hand. It was and still is my opinion that the changes to the economy were geared at the 1%. If i wanted to micromanage my day and make gold, my perception would likely shift. Not something i want to do at the current time. But if i did, see quote above where in not everything in the shop is for me, and some may be out of my price range at the current time. Look how well that actually applies to your situation.
Which yet again has no bearing on raids, or their perceived exclusivity.
You are not getting off that easy…
It was very much in context to the spirit of this thread.
You want X part of the game to be more inclusive and casual friendly, and some players want X part of the game to be more inclusive and casual friendly.
You are not getting off that easy…
It was very much in context to the spirit of this thread.
You want X part of the game to be more inclusive and casual friendly, and some players want X part of the game to be more inclusive and casual friendly.
At what point did i say i want the economy to be more casual friendly ?
I said i don’t enjoy it, never said i could not adapt to it.
QED – Adapt. Go raid, get “good”, make friends.
There is not any need to spin doctor. I know exactly what you are saying by that quote.
“Drags the fun out of even playing the game” is what you said, and that’s exactly how some players feel about all things raid.
Your arguments are weakened by your complaint about John, the economy and the “resolutions” to the broader issues.
There is not any need to spin doctor. I know exactly what you are saying by that quote.
“Drags the fun out of even playing the game” is what you said, and that’s exactly how some players feel about all things raid.
Your arguments are weakened by your complaint about John, the economy and the “resolutions” to the broader issues.
And yours are pretty baseless, off topic ad hominems which do nothing to prove any point about the current topic.
So congrats. While you sit here complaining on the forums i’ll be in the raid playing any class i want because the are all viable. Cheers!
None of my posts are baseless, you are choosing not to correlate your thoughts and feeling about one portion of the game to another.
Can you provide a quote where I say that there are individual professions not viable for raids?
I suggest you reread my comments and put things into better perspective. Also, reflecting on your economy concerns with the similar concerns players have for raid content.
Enjoy!
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There is not any need to spin doctor. I know exactly what you are saying by that quote.
“Drags the fun out of even playing the game” is what you said, and that’s exactly how some players feel about all things raid.
Your arguments are weakened by your complaint about John, the economy and the “resolutions” to the broader issues.
And yours are pretty baseless, off topic ad hominems which do nothing to prove any point about the current topic.
So congrats. While you sit here complaining on the forums i’ll be in the raid playing any class i want because the are all viable. Cheers!
What are you even arguing about?
His main post was about development of the game, yet you chose to nitpick the one part where he had an issue about power creeping. Which, by the way, is not wrong at all. Elite Specializations have made some classes much better than others in terms of numbers. Just because there are different roles to fill in a meta group, doesn’t mean there are power creep issues. Berserker? Still the same old PS build, with the Elite Spec providing a little extra damage, not even enough to put them past Guardians.
There is 0 reason why I should not be able to solo a Hero Point, instead having to ask for help.
>Don’t play full Zerker
Sure, there’s also a DPS check via the timer
>Use Marauders
Even more gear grind? And one that forces me to join meta events? No thank you.
HoT has made the game less casual friendly, and if you’re blind to that, I can’t help you.
There is not any need to spin doctor. I know exactly what you are saying by that quote.
“Drags the fun out of even playing the game” is what you said, and that’s exactly how some players feel about all things raid.
Your arguments are weakened by your complaint about John, the economy and the “resolutions” to the broader issues.
And yours are pretty baseless, off topic ad hominems which do nothing to prove any point about the current topic.
So congrats. While you sit here complaining on the forums i’ll be in the raid playing any class i want because the are all viable. Cheers!
What are you even arguing about?
His main post was about development of the game, yet you chose to nitpick the one part where he had an issue about power creeping. Which, by the way, is not wrong at all. Elite Specializations have made some classes much better than others in terms of numbers. Just because there are different roles to fill in a meta group, doesn’t mean there are power creep issues. Berserker? Still the same old PS build, with the Elite Spec providing a little extra damage, not even enough to put them past Guardians.There is 0 reason why I should not be able to solo a Hero Point, instead having to ask for help.
>Don’t play full Zerker
Sure, there’s also a DPS check via the timer
>Use Marauders
Even more gear grind? And one that forces me to join meta events? No thank you.HoT has made the game less casual friendly, and if you’re blind to that, I can’t help you.
Post is about raids, and you bring up hero points and casual ?
Yep totally on topic and relevant to the discussion.
Raids are not the exclusive, kool kids club the OP is making them out to be. HoT is pretty casual friendly with some minor issues. Sorry you feel that the difficulty is beyond you however.
There is not any need to spin doctor. I know exactly what you are saying by that quote.
“Drags the fun out of even playing the game” is what you said, and that’s exactly how some players feel about all things raid.
Your arguments are weakened by your complaint about John, the economy and the “resolutions” to the broader issues.
And yours are pretty baseless, off topic ad hominems which do nothing to prove any point about the current topic.
So congrats. While you sit here complaining on the forums i’ll be in the raid playing any class i want because the are all viable. Cheers!
What are you even arguing about?
His main post was about development of the game, yet you chose to nitpick the one part where he had an issue about power creeping. Which, by the way, is not wrong at all. Elite Specializations have made some classes much better than others in terms of numbers. Just because there are different roles to fill in a meta group, doesn’t mean there are power creep issues. Berserker? Still the same old PS build, with the Elite Spec providing a little extra damage, not even enough to put them past Guardians.There is 0 reason why I should not be able to solo a Hero Point, instead having to ask for help.
>Don’t play full Zerker
Sure, there’s also a DPS check via the timer
>Use Marauders
Even more gear grind? And one that forces me to join meta events? No thank you.HoT has made the game less casual friendly, and if you’re blind to that, I can’t help you.
Post is about raids, and you bring up hero points and casual ?
Yep totally on topic and relevant to the discussion.
Raids are not the exclusive, kool kids club the OP is making them out to be. HoT is pretty casual friendly with some minor issues. Sorry you feel that the difficulty is beyond you however.
Based on your wording, raids and casual are mutually exclusive, huh?
The expansion itself has drifted far from casual playing, raids being a part of it.
You don’t see it yet you think the difficulty is too much for me?
Here, I’ll list them out for you:
Some people don’t have the time to spend hours on one map, one event. There are players who can’t play all that long, or players who want to do different game modes within a certain time constraint. Hour long PvE meta events prohibit this, especially when the events are tied to the performance of a GROUP.
You can’t solo meta events. You can’t solo Hero Points. What can you solo in HoT?
Mastery points? Sure, it’s easy to commune with a mastery point, but getting there is the difficult part, when a lot of things in the new maps are locked behind how long you can glide, what tunnels you can take, and who you can talk to. All unlocked via grinding.
Raids are just HoT fractals. Fractals require gear grinding (ascended), that many casuals don’t have the time to do. But one thing Fractals do have is a LFG tool, so anybody can just join a Fractal group and PUG one out.
Yes, I would love to do a raid. What are my options? Join a PvE guild? No thanks. I rather not get spammed with constant messages or be forced to 100% rep.
LFG? With what?
Get friends to play? Sorry, ever since HoT came out I’ve been telling friends to not get it. It has been a huge disappointment for me. Was not worth the $50 I paid, plus the $10 I spent just to play Revenant. (I’m still extremely kittened why a character unlock slot was not bundled with the expansion).
You are not getting off that easy…
It was very much in context to the spirit of this thread.
You want X part of the game to be more inclusive and casual friendly, and some players want X part of the game to be more inclusive and casual friendly.
Making raids casual friendly would ruin raids for non-casual players, please don’t do this.
Raids are just HoT fractals. Fractals require gear grinding (ascended), that many casuals don’t have the time to do. But one thing Fractals do have is a LFG tool, so anybody can just join a Fractal group and PUG one out.
Yes, I would love to do a raid. What are my options? Join a PvE guild? No thanks. I rather not get spammed with constant messages or be forced to 100% rep.
LFG? With what?
Get friends to play? Sorry, ever since HoT came out I’ve been telling friends to not get it. It has been a huge disappointment for me. Was not worth the $50 I paid, plus the $10 I spent just to play Revenant. (I’m still extremely kittened why a character unlock slot was not bundled with the expansion).
Congrats on being your own problem ?
You’ve single handedly put up obstacles in-front of yourself that will prohibit you from raiding.
I’ve already said they need better grouping tools. That’s the only thing that is needed for Raids when it comes to accessibility. The problem is too many players yourself included put unnecessary barrier from entry onto themselves instead of taking the liberty of socializing and forming a group.
Raids are just HoT fractals. Fractals require gear grinding (ascended), that many casuals don’t have the time to do. But one thing Fractals do have is a LFG tool, so anybody can just join a Fractal group and PUG one out.
Yes, I would love to do a raid. What are my options? Join a PvE guild? No thanks. I rather not get spammed with constant messages or be forced to 100% rep.
LFG? With what?
Get friends to play? Sorry, ever since HoT came out I’ve been telling friends to not get it. It has been a huge disappointment for me. Was not worth the $50 I paid, plus the $10 I spent just to play Revenant. (I’m still extremely kittened why a character unlock slot was not bundled with the expansion).Congrats on being your own problem ?
You’ve single handedly put up obstacles in-front of yourself that will prohibit you from raiding.
I’ve already said they need better grouping tools. That’s the only thing that is needed for Raids when it comes to accessibility. The problem is too many players yourself included put unnecessary barrier from entry onto themselves instead of taking the liberty of socializing and forming a group.
There’s only one way to play this game, right?
I’m already in a guild, but since it’s a WvW guild, not many are willing to do raids.
Not to mention I’m a casual, I don’t have the time to play.
You really have no constructive criticism, basically only the “filthy casual” mentality.
Raids are just HoT fractals. Fractals require gear grinding (ascended), that many casuals don’t have the time to do. But one thing Fractals do have is a LFG tool, so anybody can just join a Fractal group and PUG one out.
Yes, I would love to do a raid. What are my options? Join a PvE guild? No thanks. I rather not get spammed with constant messages or be forced to 100% rep.
LFG? With what?
Get friends to play? Sorry, ever since HoT came out I’ve been telling friends to not get it. It has been a huge disappointment for me. Was not worth the $50 I paid, plus the $10 I spent just to play Revenant. (I’m still extremely kittened why a character unlock slot was not bundled with the expansion).Congrats on being your own problem ?
You’ve single handedly put up obstacles in-front of yourself that will prohibit you from raiding.
I’ve already said they need better grouping tools. That’s the only thing that is needed for Raids when it comes to accessibility. The problem is too many players yourself included put unnecessary barrier from entry onto themselves instead of taking the liberty of socializing and forming a group.
There’s only one way to play this game, right?
I’m already in a guild, but since it’s a WvW guild, not many are willing to do raids.
Not to mention I’m a casual, I don’t have the time to play.You really have no constructive criticism, basically only the “filthy casual” mentality.
Has nothing to do with casual or not. The moment you put walls up between you and doing something, it ceases being the something problem and starts being a you problem.
Stated over and over and over again…..I’ve helped people raid in my own guild, who went from pretty much the easiest bag you’ll ever get in WvW to being able to complete the raid.
If they can, so can you.
Raids are just HoT fractals. Fractals require gear grinding (ascended), that many casuals don’t have the time to do. But one thing Fractals do have is a LFG tool, so anybody can just join a Fractal group and PUG one out.
Yes, I would love to do a raid. What are my options? Join a PvE guild? No thanks. I rather not get spammed with constant messages or be forced to 100% rep.
LFG? With what?
Get friends to play? Sorry, ever since HoT came out I’ve been telling friends to not get it. It has been a huge disappointment for me. Was not worth the $50 I paid, plus the $10 I spent just to play Revenant. (I’m still extremely kittened why a character unlock slot was not bundled with the expansion).Congrats on being your own problem ?
You’ve single handedly put up obstacles in-front of yourself that will prohibit you from raiding.
I’ve already said they need better grouping tools. That’s the only thing that is needed for Raids when it comes to accessibility. The problem is too many players yourself included put unnecessary barrier from entry onto themselves instead of taking the liberty of socializing and forming a group.
There’s only one way to play this game, right?
I’m already in a guild, but since it’s a WvW guild, not many are willing to do raids.
Not to mention I’m a casual, I don’t have the time to play.You really have no constructive criticism, basically only the “filthy casual” mentality.
Has nothing to do with casual or not. The moment you put walls up between you and doing something, it ceases being the something problem and starts being a you problem.
Stated over and over and over again…..I’ve helped people raid in my own guild, who went from pretty much the easiest bag you’ll ever get in WvW to being able to complete the raid.
If they can, so can you.
How is this a me problem? The fact that there is no LFG tool? That’s a me problem?
I’m not asking for the difficulty of raids to be lowered. I don’t even know the difficulty of raids because I’ve never run one. I shouldn’t be pigeon-holed into joining a PvE guild solely for the purpose of doing raids. Anet doesn’t decide how to you play. That’s been their whole appeal with Guild Wars 1/2. And somehow your opinion changes that fact?
WvW bag, and raid. I don’t know what you’re saying here. Zero coherency.
How is this a me problem? The fact that there is no LFG tool? That’s a me problem?
I’m not asking for the difficulty of raids to be lowered. I don’t even know the difficulty of raids because I’ve never run one. I shouldn’t be pigeon-holed into joining a PvE guild solely for the purpose of doing raids. Anet doesn’t decide how to you play. That’s been their whole appeal with Guild Wars 1/2. And somehow your opinion changes that fact?WvW bag, and raid. I don’t know what you’re saying here. Zero coherency.
You are the one blocking yourself. I want to raid so I’m bashing down the obstacles in my way to get my group set up and see what happens. You on the other hand are too afraid to leave your comfort zone. Not every PvE guild requires 100% rep time. You have 5 guild slots I don’t see why one can’t be used to start making some PvE friends. You want to focus on the problems opposed to the solutions.
Anet isn’t forcing anyone to do any content either. There is no sign on the game saying you must do the raid to access other content. The rewards are no better than any other gear piece or weapon in the game currently. The legendary armor being a raid item isn’t a huge issue in my eyes either as legendaries should be a grind and difficult to obtain which is the group of players the raid calls to anyways. The people I see being an issue here isn’t Anet but the players themselves. They want a way to walk in press a complete raid button and then stand in a shower of balloons and confetti. The game is still 90% casual friendly but players still need to put in effort.
How is this a me problem? The fact that there is no LFG tool? That’s a me problem?
I’m not asking for the difficulty of raids to be lowered. I don’t even know the difficulty of raids because I’ve never run one. I shouldn’t be pigeon-holed into joining a PvE guild solely for the purpose of doing raids. Anet doesn’t decide how to you play. That’s been their whole appeal with Guild Wars 1/2. And somehow your opinion changes that fact?WvW bag, and raid. I don’t know what you’re saying here. Zero coherency.
You are the one blocking yourself. I want to raid so I’m bashing down the obstacles in my way to get my group set up and see what happens. You on the other hand are too afraid to leave your comfort zone. Not every PvE guild requires 100% rep time. You have 5 guild slots I don’t see why one can’t be used to start making some PvE friends. You want to focus on the problems opposed to the solutions.
Anet isn’t forcing anyone to do any content either. There is no sign on the game saying you must do the raid to access other content. The rewards are no better than any other gear piece or weapon in the game currently. The legendary armor being a raid item isn’t a huge issue in my eyes either as legendaries should be a grind and difficult to obtain which is the group of players the raid calls to anyways. The people I see being an issue here isn’t Anet but the players themselves. They want a way to walk in press a complete raid button and then stand in a shower of balloons and confetti. The game is still 90% casual friendly but players still need to put in effort.
Let’s see, out of the 5 guild slots, I currently have 3 filled. 1 is a personal guild for the bank, the 2nd is the WvW guild, and the third is the first guild I joined when I started GW2.
The last two slots were filled by 2 PvE guilds, who kicked me because I didn’t 100% rep.
Off to a great start.
Most of the advertising PvE guilds are mega guilds, that’s something that isn’t enjoyable for me. So that’s out.
Nobody runs dungeons (joined the last PvE guild through dungeon running), so meeting PvE guilds through dungeons is hopeless.
Fractals are 1/4th the length they used to be. Pugging them has become much easier, so requiring a PvE guild for that is meaningless. Not to mention the shorten fractal length has made it harder to judge how people play, how they act.
But that’s anecdotal. I’m mainly a WvWer (or what is left of it). Most of my time is spent on WvW unless I’m trying to get Hero Points for Elite Specializations.
Not having a LFG tool for raid makes people who want to try raids join a PvE guild first. But this is an issue Anet is looking to fix. I just wish they would make the rest of this game more solo friendly as well.
Hero Points gated behind meta events that require Tequatl-level of coordination/numbers? No thank you.
I never mentioned rewards from raids. I put down time in WvW even when the rewards were negligible, just because of how enjoyable that game-mode is to me.
I’ve only just started to try Ascended armor crafting. Legendary Armor is beyond me at this point.
You’re hung up on a dead game. It’s time to take off the rose-tinted glasses.
I swear gamers are getting more and more entitled these days. Everyone wants to have access to everything without putting in any effort.
Expecting to achieve something without putting in the work required to do so is an entitled and selfish mindset, not just in GW2 but in all areas of life.
Want a car? Save money and buy it.
Want a smoking hot girlfriend? Put yourself out there.
Want to experience raid lore in a video game? Play the bloody raid.
Sure, some people will have a more difficult time achieving certain goals than other people. Welcome to life.
Again, you’re making a mountain out of literally a molehill.
Where is this molehill?
Someone needs to do something about the moles before it gets out of hand. They can really ruin a lawn.
You’re hung up on a dead game. It’s time to take off the rose-tinted glasses.
I swear gamers are getting more and more entitled these days. Everyone wants to have access to everything without putting in any effort.
Expecting to achieve something without putting in the work required to do so is an entitled and selfish mindset, not just in GW2 but in all areas of life.
Want a car? Save money and buy it.
Want a smoking hot girlfriend? Put yourself out there.
Want to experience raid lore in a video game? Play the bloody raid.
Sure, some people will have a more difficult time achieving certain goals than other people. Welcome to life.
Devs learn from other games…
Players are entitled to have fun.
Being inclusive and making content more accessible doesn’t mean you don’t have to “work” for it.
Yes, welcome to a video game designed for fun, that didn’t do so well converting “play for free” players to paid players… and a very divide community of HoT owners. The reality is that the less enticing and less inclusive endgame this game has, the less money anet earns. And that’s “life” too.
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