Because WvW, PvP, raids and fractals are not expansion content anymore. They have their own release cycle and get release when they are ready. Raids got promoted for HoT because they were new, that is not the case anymore.
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They got careful after the kittenstorm from HoT. Everything that is not available at release day of PoF didn’t get promoted.
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People will buy PoF when LS4 is announced if they care about LS only. They’ll buy PoF when a new raid is announced if they care about raiding only. They’ll already have PoF if they care about the things the average player cares about: new content, gameplay systems, and elite specs. No revenue is being lost unless the expansion sucks so much that no one buys it, for any reason, after 9/22.
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Separately released should mean separately marketed.
Considering they dont like to talk about what may come and only about what they release, seems to fall in line with that perfectly.
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Don’t forget the huge majority of raiders is playing the other parts of the game as well and therefore will buy or already have bought PoF.
Even people in speed clear and seller guilds are regularly playing HoT + Tyria maps.
(I know it is surprising for the anti-raid crowd but yes, they do. ^^)
Took me 3 runs of the dungeon to get the bug.
On a serious note, the majority of raiders will already be forced to buy the expansion for the new elite specs alone.
Raiders will buy the expansion to play the expansion Raids, I’m not sure if the new elite specs will replace the old builds though. Time will tell
You cant min max or experiment as much with only half the elite specs. While not that important for raids on its own, it does bring alot of new things to the table that as a serious raider you cant just ignore.
New specs can only replace the old if there are more experienced raiders actually trying to use them. The rest of the raiders will just sheepily follow the new meta.
Ofcourse, it’s already a limited view that raiders buy the expansion for raid content pvpers for elite specs etc. I dont believe there are that many players who only do one thing in the game.
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I think it’s mainly because they don’t have to. I am going to bet everyone that raids already knows that PoF will have raids just from that one forum post from a Dev that said “it will have raids”
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I think it’s mainly because they don’t have to. I am going to bet everyone that raids already knows that PoF will have raids just from that one forum post from a Dev that said “it will have raids”
I don’t think every player of this game reads forums. Which I mentioned in my OP.
No question about that, but I am sure that by simply mentioning on these forums that there will be raids in PoF, got mentioned on all the raid guild forums, reddit, as well talked about over TS or whatever other voice chat program is used during raid runs, to which very quickly anyone even remotely involved in raids would be kept in the loop.
As such, Anet does not need to devote money or time into telling them, when they will gladly tell each other, and even do so cross platform.
There are two kinds of gamers, salty, and extra salty
“There will be raids in the future” post on their forum is not enough information to sell me an expansion.
I doubt anything that is not in the expansion yet will sell the expansion that well.
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Ingame Name: Guardian Erik
“There will be raids in the future” post on their forum is not enough information to sell me an expansion.
I doubt anything that is not in the expansion yet will sell the expansion that well.
Anet knows that putting any future raids behind the next expansion will ensure everyone that wants to raid will buy the expansion. So they don’t need to market it, or even try to sell it in any way, it’s a guaranteed sale, as such any claim to not buy the expansion by anyone that wants to stay involved with Raids, is a hollow bluff.
There are two kinds of gamers, salty, and extra salty
“There will be raids in the future” post on their forum is not enough information to sell me an expansion.
I doubt anything that is not in the expansion yet will sell the expansion that well.
Anet knows that putting any future raids behind the next expansion will ensure everyone that wants to raid will buy the expansion. So they don’t need to market it, or even try to sell it in any way, it’s a guaranteed sale, as such any claim to not buy the expansion by anyone that wants to stay involved with Raids, is a hollow bluff.
I wont buy the expac just for the features that they are selling me rn. I would only buy for raids. Where are the raids that will make me buy it?
Anet is promised sales to all the Raiders.
For various reasons, IE: if the elite spec becomes meta (and there is a very good chance they will), then all the raiders will buy the X-pac to stay competitive.
Not to mention that any future raids will require the X-pac, as such, not buying the expansion is not option for anyone serious about raiding.
So at this point, it is not a question of IF raiders will buy the Expansion, but when and how much they will end up paying for it.
There are two kinds of gamers, salty, and extra salty
Whether or not raiders will buy PoF will depend on if you actually need it for the next raid.
Of course you will, and that that is all they need to do to guarantee the sale.
There is no real fence sitting for people who are serious about raids, and Anet knows this, which is fair, because those guaranteed future X-pac sales are about the only really good reason to put raids into a game like GW2 to start with.
There are two kinds of gamers, salty, and extra salty
Whether or not raiders will buy PoF will depend on if you actually need it for the next raid.
Of course you will, and that that is all they need to do to guarantee the sale.
There is no real fence sitting for people who are serious about raids, and Anet knows this, which is fair, because those guaranteed future X-pac sales are about the only really good reason to put raids into a game like GW2 to start with.
shrug So I assume, as I alluded to in my post, but thanks for stating the obvious.
You made it seem like there would be a question on if Raiders would be buying the expansion, just trying to clear up that there won’t be.
There are two kinds of gamers, salty, and extra salty
Whether or not raiders will buy PoF will depend on if you actually need it for the next raid.
Of course you will, and that that is all they need to do to guarantee the sale.
There is no real fence sitting for people who are serious about raids, and Anet knows this, which is fair, because those guaranteed future X-pac sales are about the only really good reason to put raids into a game like GW2 to start with.
Then why does ff14 and wow market their raids with new expansions?
Because raids are what people expect to be a main point of expacs in those games, and because raid cadence is tied to those expacs. In GW2 neither is true. Here, raids not only will not sell an expac (raid community is not big enough), but can cause a negative reaction in non-raiders due to associations with HoT (and the reasons why HoT didn’t sell as good as Anet hoped).
In short, there’s no reason to advertise PoF raids to raiders, as any raider is going to buy that expac eventually, just to play the new wings (which are coming), or to use some of the new elite specs in old ones. There’s however a reason not to push raids in the face of the part of the community that dislikes them, as that may affect sales. In a bad way.
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