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Posted by: NikeEU.7690

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Adding about 1.5k dps is less impressive than adding unnecessary extra Might stacks? I think people are over-buffing in general, I think if you have a group with a Chronomancer using SOI and golden fried dumplings there is a pretty good chance you have plenty of Might without adding silly things like Sigil of strength.

Using golden fried dumblings over seaweed sallad is a much bigger dps loss than sigil of strength over sigil of air though.

I meant Golden Fried Dumplings on the Mesmer. If your mesmer is generating 8ish stacks of might on himself and passing them along with SOI quite often thats a not negligible amount of party might once they get going.

The way I interpreted previous commentor was how revenant would fare on providing might alone without any PS warriors. In which case I think sigil of strength is a viable option since there will be times where might will be below 25 even with FoN and SOI from the mesmer.

The scenario I would only have no PS in is if you’re going with condi warriors in which case you don’t need the rev’s might either. Or some super suboptimal no-warrior scenario in which case, yeah fine, do whatever because its already so far from perfect. That said, I wouldn’t buy a Strength Sigil for my Rev, even if I only raided in pugs.

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Posted by: TheFamster.7806

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You know, it’s kinda cute to see all these random people coming in to tell one of the guys who cleared Vale in less than an hour and part of a cross-game top raiding guild that they don’t understand ele if they think eles are a low utility class.

It’s so adorably but hopelessly clueless. And the lack of official support for metrics has allowed these people to flourish.

lol so cute to see that you think clearing vale in less than an hour is an impressive fit. Most of the raiding guilds at least the decent ones are clearing it within an hour easily including downtime and trash runs without using condi warriors. If twitch didn’t delete videos you can go to any top guild stream and see that they have cleared Vale easily within 50 minutes starting.

Also if you are in top guild you should know each guild has at least 1 member who is in charge of spreadsheet of various builds and classes. I guess ignorance is bliss because it allows people to speak out regardless of factual information.

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Posted by: Iris Ng.9845

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Upon a glance, Burnzerker won’t get nerfed, while Revenant’s auto attack will see some damage reduction.

In this iteration, we’ll be looking to tone down the revenant’s sword damage in some areas and adjust the weapon’s abilities so that it’s less focused on autoattacking and better at singling out and attacking enemies.

Good news though, thief may see some damage buff in their auto attack (hopefully).

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Upon a glance, Burnzerker won’t get nerfed, while Revenant’s auto attack will see some damage reduction.

revenant will deal more dps than before.

burnzerker will get nerfed, indirectly because of the alacrity changes and tempest is still better than thief at dealing damage.

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Posted by: spoj.9672

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Id be surprised if they dont touch scorched earth. They were being even more vague on warrior than the rest so i wouldnt make any assumptions at this stage.

Im concerned slightly about “damage buffs” on ele though. Though i suppose it depends what form they provide those buffs. So it might be ok.

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Posted by: Iris Ng.9845

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A damage buff on Air Training, maybe? Maybe? MAYBE?!! Also curious about the rework of alacrity change. I hope they don’t make it into “build up charges to reduce cool down” kind of mechanics.

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Posted by: Ryn.6459

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Upon a glance, Burnzerker won’t get nerfed, while Revenant’s auto attack will see some damage reduction.

revenant will deal more dps than before.

I hope you are right and I hope you have more info that we do.

Learning English, any correction is very welcome.

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Posted by: BlackDragon.3752

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Upon a glance, Burnzerker won’t get nerfed, while Revenant’s auto attack will see some damage reduction.

revenant will deal more dps than before.

I hope you are right and I hope you have more info that we do.

they alrdy told us kinda if they improve weapon skills they will improve skill 2 aswell which is alrdy better than AA in some scenarios. We will see how it turns out but rev was never about AA only anyways.

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Posted by: NoTrigger.8396

NoTrigger.8396

Upon a glance, Burnzerker won’t get nerfed, while Revenant’s auto attack will see some damage reduction.

revenant will deal more dps than before.

I hope you are right and I hope you have more info that we do.

i dont have more info im just guessing. they said "and adjust the weapon’s abilities so that it’s less focused on autoattacking ". the only skill which comes to my mind is sword 2 and sword 2 is already op. it would take serious reworks to make sword 3 and axe 4 good. so revenant will most likely be the same or better dps than before.

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Posted by: Ryn.6459

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Jmmm not convinced with your logic guys. They can nerf s1 way more than they buff s2. We ll see but we r talking about anet… Hope u r right

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Posted by: apharma.3741

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I just hope alacrity isn’t nerfed too much…

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Posted by: Kain Francois.4328

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I still want to see Burnzerker be viable, but it should be within 5% of other builds.

The simplest fix I can think of is simply making it one big aoe similar to the elementalist skill “Wildfire”, instead of hitting a boss with multiple aoes.

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When wars are more op than usually it’s so cute watching anet struggling to find a way to reduce war opness without touching it xD

They nerf other classes and buff just to reduce war opness and raid dps without touching war.

It’s so sweet how anet look at their most liked child

So much love

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Posted by: NikeEU.7690

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It’s so sweet how anet look at their most liked child

So much love

I take it you haven’t gone into PvP lately.

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It’s so sweet how anet look at their most liked child

So much love

I take it you haven’t gone into PvP lately.

Well…

…Since we are into “Fractal, Dungeon & Raid” subforum…

…and this thread is named “[Raids] Burnzerkers Meta, 40% higher damage”…

..Yeah, i think you can reasonably assume i’m speaking about Raid and not about Pvp

xD

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It’s so sweet how anet look at their most liked child

So much love

I take it you haven’t gone into PvP lately.

Well…

…Since we are into “Fractal, Dungeon & Raid” subforum…

…and this thread is named “[Raids] Burnzerkers Meta, 40% higher damage”…

..Yeah, i think you can reasonably assume i’m speaking about Raid and not about Pvp

xD

The problem is that anet balances purely around pvp cause esportz and in pvp warrior is garbage. They could seperate pvp and pve skills… but wait… they don’t.

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I swear that reading this is more entertaining than reading PvP forums.

It’s so sweet how anet look at their most liked child

So much love

I take it you haven’t gone into PvP lately.

Warrior sucks in PvP beacuse it’s theme is outdated for melee profession in GW2 PvP. Anet loves their newbie profession, they just don’t have a clue how to update it.

Anyway, Balance preview today.

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Posted by: aelfwe.4239

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Warrior sucks in PvP beacuse it’s theme is outdated for melee profession in GW2 PvP. Anet loves their newbie profession, they just don’t have a clue how to update it.

Anyway, Balance preview today.

Pvp side, from release till now, war is the 2nd class who has been in “meta” for the longer time after guard, so complaining about anet lack of war love just cause for 2 month it has been out of pvp meta (while being one of the 2 top dps class in pve) it’s a bit weird.

There are class who have been 5x longer than war out of pvp meta (while being out of pve meta too) who complained way less to have been not viable for a year or more than warrior right now for a couple of month.

But i understand this and it’s not that the point.

The point is that from a rational perspective of a day one player, pvp in this game is the place where i have seen the moist weird things in my nerd career

Spirit ranger, dummfire necro, hambow warrior, s/p thief, stun war, celestial ele, pu mesmer, turret engie and so on till now with chrono bunker, meditrap guard etc.

Every person with a bit of experience in this game know that from release till now there hasn’t been a single pvp meta who has not been based upon ridicolous op broken builds.

This is the main reason gw2 pvp as esport is the saddest thing ever, with less view than a random early access game and the need to put daily into to push pvers to join it to lower queue times (do you remember the pvp queue how has been in the past for a team arena? xD)

As lendruil correctly said, till anet doesnt split pve balance from pvp balance this fact won’t change.

We will always have a bronken pvp based upon broken class with broken build as we had from release till now.

So, for my own perspective, since i can’t have a good pvp in this game cause anet isn’t splitting balance and the only thing that change in pvp with a balance patch about “broken class” is the “class” part and not the “broken” part, after 3 year i don’t see any reason to keep ruining pve for it.

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Posted by: Zenith.7301

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You know, it’s kinda cute to see all these random people coming in to tell one of the guys who cleared Vale in less than an hour and part of a cross-game top raiding guild that they don’t understand ele if they think eles are a low utility class.

It’s so adorably but hopelessly clueless. And the lack of official support for metrics has allowed these people to flourish.

lol so cute to see that you think clearing vale in less than an hour is an impressive fit. Most of the raiding guilds at least the decent ones are clearing it within an hour easily including downtime and trash runs without using condi warriors. If twitch didn’t delete videos you can go to any top guild stream and see that they have cleared Vale easily within 50 minutes starting.

Also if you are in top guild you should know each guild has at least 1 member who is in charge of spreadsheet of various builds and classes. I guess ignorance is bliss because it allows people to speak out regardless of factual information.

Not a very smart post. I’m talking about DnT’s first public clear. You know, the one that got their privilege revoked because it made it seem like the raids were too easy (which they are relative to other games, yet they still got punished and hated on publicly).

When they did that first public clear in less than an hour every other guild still took several more to clear it.

Next time try to at least have some modicum of awareness before hitting the submit button.

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Posted by: Lendruil.9061

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You know, it’s kinda cute to see all these random people coming in to tell one of the guys who cleared Vale in less than an hour and part of a cross-game top raiding guild that they don’t understand ele if they think eles are a low utility class.

It’s so adorably but hopelessly clueless. And the lack of official support for metrics has allowed these people to flourish.

lol so cute to see that you think clearing vale in less than an hour is an impressive fit. Most of the raiding guilds at least the decent ones are clearing it within an hour easily including downtime and trash runs without using condi warriors. If twitch didn’t delete videos you can go to any top guild stream and see that they have cleared Vale easily within 50 minutes starting.

Also if you are in top guild you should know each guild has at least 1 member who is in charge of spreadsheet of various builds and classes. I guess ignorance is bliss because it allows people to speak out regardless of factual information.

Not a very smart post. I’m talking about DnT’s first public clear. You know, the one that got their privilege revoked because it made it seem like the raids were too easy (which they are relative to other games, yet they still got punished and hated on publicly).

When they did that first public clear in less than an hour every other guild still took several more to clear it.

Next time try to at least have some modicum of awareness before hitting the submit button.

Yeah well but the other guilds also didn’t have time in advance for testing the raid, so next time try to at least have some modicum of awareness before hitting the submit button.

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Posted by: Zenith.7301

Zenith.7301

You know, it’s kinda cute to see all these random people coming in to tell one of the guys who cleared Vale in less than an hour and part of a cross-game top raiding guild that they don’t understand ele if they think eles are a low utility class.

It’s so adorably but hopelessly clueless. And the lack of official support for metrics has allowed these people to flourish.

lol so cute to see that you think clearing vale in less than an hour is an impressive fit. Most of the raiding guilds at least the decent ones are clearing it within an hour easily including downtime and trash runs without using condi warriors. If twitch didn’t delete videos you can go to any top guild stream and see that they have cleared Vale easily within 50 minutes starting.

Also if you are in top guild you should know each guild has at least 1 member who is in charge of spreadsheet of various builds and classes. I guess ignorance is bliss because it allows people to speak out regardless of factual information.

Not a very smart post. I’m talking about DnT’s first public clear. You know, the one that got their privilege revoked because it made it seem like the raids were too easy (which they are relative to other games, yet they still got punished and hated on publicly).

When they did that first public clear in less than an hour every other guild still took several more to clear it.

Next time try to at least have some modicum of awareness before hitting the submit button.

Yeah well but the other guilds also didn’t have time in advance for testing the raid, so next time try to at least have some modicum of awareness before hitting the submit button.

There were more beta guilds than just DnT. Given that it was a closed beta, have some modicum of awareness yourself about NDA and what we know they got and didn’t get to test.

Besides, their public first clear was with a comp that isn’t even the speed comp of today.

If you feel so sour about accomplishments accorded to them, how about bringing up your cross—gaming credentials? What other MMO’s have you gotten world firsts and achieved top ranked parses? What do you have to offer that allows you to say DnT isn’t qualified to state with authority that ele is a 100% DPS class?

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Posted by: Lendruil.9061

Lendruil.9061

You know, it’s kinda cute to see all these random people coming in to tell one of the guys who cleared Vale in less than an hour and part of a cross-game top raiding guild that they don’t understand ele if they think eles are a low utility class.

It’s so adorably but hopelessly clueless. And the lack of official support for metrics has allowed these people to flourish.

lol so cute to see that you think clearing vale in less than an hour is an impressive fit. Most of the raiding guilds at least the decent ones are clearing it within an hour easily including downtime and trash runs without using condi warriors. If twitch didn’t delete videos you can go to any top guild stream and see that they have cleared Vale easily within 50 minutes starting.

Also if you are in top guild you should know each guild has at least 1 member who is in charge of spreadsheet of various builds and classes. I guess ignorance is bliss because it allows people to speak out regardless of factual information.

Not a very smart post. I’m talking about DnT’s first public clear. You know, the one that got their privilege revoked because it made it seem like the raids were too easy (which they are relative to other games, yet they still got punished and hated on publicly).

When they did that first public clear in less than an hour every other guild still took several more to clear it.

Next time try to at least have some modicum of awareness before hitting the submit button.

Yeah well but the other guilds also didn’t have time in advance for testing the raid, so next time try to at least have some modicum of awareness before hitting the submit button.

There were more beta guilds than just DnT. Given that it was a closed beta, have some modicum of awareness yourself about NDA and what we know they got and didn’t get to test.

Besides, their public first clear was with a comp that isn’t even the speed comp of today.

If you feel so sour about accomplishments accorded to them, how about bringing up your cross—gaming credentials? What other MMO’s have you gotten world firsts and achieved top ranked parses? What do you have to offer that allows you to say DnT isn’t qualified to state with authority that ele is a 100% DPS class?

I don’t know why you get offensive now, in my post I didn’t say any rating about DnT, I only said that it’s not impressive to have a fast “first” clear, when you could already test the content beforehand. This was actually the reason why DnT said in their reddit post that it’s not an “official” world first. And afaik there was only one more beta testing guild.
Also I didn’t say anything about ele’s dps so i don’t know why you come up with that.

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Posted by: Zenith.7301

Zenith.7301

You know, it’s kinda cute to see all these random people coming in to tell one of the guys who cleared Vale in less than an hour and part of a cross-game top raiding guild that they don’t understand ele if they think eles are a low utility class.

It’s so adorably but hopelessly clueless. And the lack of official support for metrics has allowed these people to flourish.

lol so cute to see that you think clearing vale in less than an hour is an impressive fit. Most of the raiding guilds at least the decent ones are clearing it within an hour easily including downtime and trash runs without using condi warriors. If twitch didn’t delete videos you can go to any top guild stream and see that they have cleared Vale easily within 50 minutes starting.

Also if you are in top guild you should know each guild has at least 1 member who is in charge of spreadsheet of various builds and classes. I guess ignorance is bliss because it allows people to speak out regardless of factual information.

Not a very smart post. I’m talking about DnT’s first public clear. You know, the one that got their privilege revoked because it made it seem like the raids were too easy (which they are relative to other games, yet they still got punished and hated on publicly).

When they did that first public clear in less than an hour every other guild still took several more to clear it.

Next time try to at least have some modicum of awareness before hitting the submit button.

Yeah well but the other guilds also didn’t have time in advance for testing the raid, so next time try to at least have some modicum of awareness before hitting the submit button.

There were more beta guilds than just DnT. Given that it was a closed beta, have some modicum of awareness yourself about NDA and what we know they got and didn’t get to test.

Besides, their public first clear was with a comp that isn’t even the speed comp of today.

If you feel so sour about accomplishments accorded to them, how about bringing up your cross—gaming credentials? What other MMO’s have you gotten world firsts and achieved top ranked parses? What do you have to offer that allows you to say DnT isn’t qualified to state with authority that ele is a 100% DPS class?

I don’t know why you get offensive now, in my post I didn’t say any rating about DnT, I only said that it’s not impressive to have a fast “first” clear, when you could already test the content beforehand. This was actually the reason why DnT said in their reddit post that it’s not an “official” world first. And afaik there was only one more beta testing guild.
Also I didn’t say anything about ele’s dps so i don’t know why you come up with that.

I’m saying it because that was the point I was addressing in my post before someone chimed in to say that a <1hr clear time was not a qualifier for saying that someone doesn’t know how an elementalist plays. Yet somehow you chose to nitpick about beta, as if we didn’t see the raid release experience with squad problems on day 1 and unavailability so for all we know they were beta testing content that was just as bugged/unstable, and downplayed their clear time on a class comp that wasn’t even fully optimized. And they can’t even comment on it because of the NDA. So let’s not pretend like they had weeks worth of practice when we don’t even know how and when testing was offered and in what form it was.

So let’s reiterate the point I was making in case people still miss it: it’s dumb for people (not saying you personally said this, just other posters)with no credentials to come in and tell Nike that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about when he calls the ele a 100% dps class. Feelings for DnT aside, it’s just dumb to have so many posters acting indignant as if he said something horribly ignorant when DnT much like rT are one of the primary producers and shapers of the meta and clearly have invested enough in the game to know what they’re talking about.

If it makes it any better, I fully concede that the post you responded to may have been insensitive to the accomplishments of the official world first guilds, and I did not mean to downplay their feats, just highlight that DnT is not an inaccurate/unreliable source for class assessments.

Hell, if you or any former members of KING decided to chime in on class balancing and perspectives and some random people came in to imply that you’re ignorant and don’t know what you’re talking about, I probably would have made the same remark.

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Posted by: NikeEU.7690

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When I said “elementalist is a DPS class” i was referring to how they are used in the meta today, not what they are capable of. Ofcourse they are capable of bringing a lot of utility, especially defensive buffs, might stacking, fury stacking etc. But today, as it stands for most groups, they aren’t there for any of that. They are there for DPS. So it’s pretty fair to call them a DPS class in my view.

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Posted by: Zenith.7301

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Since I also saw some posts about increasing ele DPS, I want to remind people that they don’t split PvE/PvP balance unfortunately.

DPS ele in spvp is in a garbage state, the class doesn’t have enough baked in defense into its weaponset for a PvP environment and so a zerker/marauder ele hasn’t been viable for quite a while. In fact, zerker/marauder ele not only boast a 12-14k base health pool which means a 2-shot from a half competent thief/warrior/mesmer, but their burst builds are nowhere near as effective as a thief/mesmer/revenant. Their burst build is a scepter/dagger build which is largely immobile for roaming, relies on multiple highly telegraphed skillshots to do the full burst comparable to thief/mesmer/revenant, and the cooldown on that burst is massively longer than thief/ele/revenant burst windows. What’s more, outside cantrips you have ele utilities like arcane shield and mist form on a whopping 1+ minute cd, and arcane shield dies immediately in the second chain of a revenant’s autoattack.

So you have a powerful class when it can turret in PvE but as a DPS class in PvP the ele simply cannot run zerker/marauder successfully and must result to celestial/bunker builds because of its innate frailty, high cooldowns on both burst and defensive tools and range inflexibility (no choice of ranged+melee wep combination, so all ele specs in PvP must be built to be overall effective in all scenarios).

The buffs you’re seeing to ele come from a PvP standpoint and until they split PvE/PvP balance you’ll continue to see this kind of rollercoaster balancing that satisfies neither side.

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Posted by: DuckDuckBOOM.4097

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@Zenith
You really want to talk about glass ele not being viable because thief and warrior? Or a glass mesmer when everyone is playing bunker and none of those classes/builds are considered viable right now?

I’ve been running a Berserker staff Fire/Air/Tempest in PvP for ranked and I’ve been doing fine with it. Chaining 4 reflects means DHs kill themselves. Air 5+ overload wrecks the few thieves I run into. Given the bunker meta, it works pretty well as a bunker buster and actually finishing team fights. It can’t counter everything (nor should any build) but the only real “problem” build I have are a few revenants or an occasional necro in 1v1 situations when this build isn’t really meant to 1v1 anyway but +1 and end team fights. Importantly lightning rod + Air3/4 and Earth 4 and shocking aura help alot with the offensive capabilities in other attunements (those are mostly unblockable too so it helps destroy bunker mesmers). No it’s not meta but because of that, there is of course the surprise wtf moment when an enemy team wipes at the start of a game because they don’t think to focus a tempest and that actually wins me a lot of games when solo queueing in ranked. I’m looking forward to the buffs to lightning rod but that trait is non-existent in PvE builds.

Basically, they don’t need to split everything, nor will changes to GM traits necessarily buff ele like crazy in PvE because lightning rod buffs won’t. I doubt BttH will change as it’ll be kept a “PvE staff” trait and it’s too similar to other 20% more damage below 50%. I’m curious as to how they will buff Fresh Air and that will help D/X eles in PvE but when you think about it, the DPS eles that run D/X zerker in PvE are almost like thieves. Just mobile melee cleave damage with no utility. And if thieves are getting a buff to auto attack damage, I just see this as an increase in build diversity without breaking both game modes. And they could even do something screwy with Fresh Air like adding a 10% bonus damage with scepter clause. Just wait a few more hours to see what the preview says.

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Posted by: Bartosz.2013

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Can someone tell me what about condi warrior in raids? i heard its nerfed in raids? im scared its on engi lvl now, should i just stop playing condi war now?

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Posted by: Lendruil.9061

Lendruil.9061

Can someone tell me what about condi warrior in raids? i heard its nerfed in raids? im scared its on engi lvl now, should i just stop playing condi war now?

They just nerfed the condiduration from the king of fire traits, however you will still be able to max your condi duration with runes/sigils and the new king of fires trait gives quite a bit of additional burning so the patch might even be a buff for burn warrior.

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Posted by: spoj.9672

spoj.9672

Alacrity nerf is a pretty hefty indirect nerf to burn warrior though.

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Posted by: Lendruil.9061

Lendruil.9061

Alacrity nerf is a pretty hefty indirect nerf to burn warrior though.

Yes but the alacrity nerf is a nerf to everyone. Even Revenant might benefit quite a bit now from alacrity with the new precision strike.

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Posted by: spoj.9672

spoj.9672

Classes that rely on auto attacks the least will be hit hardest by the alacrity nerf. Thats quite clearly warrior on both phalanx and condi.

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Posted by: DuckDuckBOOM.4097

DuckDuckBOOM.4097

“Coalescence of Ruin – It had too low cooldown. Cooldown increased from 2s to 4s. It will no longer double hit.”

This to me seems to hint at Longbow burst getting nerfed. King of fire seems like a new way compensate for that nerf.

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Posted by: Zenith.7301

Zenith.7301

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You really want to talk about glass ele not being viable because thief and warrior? Or a glass mesmer when everyone is playing bunker and none of those classes/builds are considered viable right now?

I’ve been running a Berserker staff Fire/Air/Tempest in PvP for ranked and I’ve been doing fine with it. Chaining 4 reflects means DHs kill themselves. Air 5+ overload wrecks the few thieves I run into. Given the bunker meta, it works pretty well as a bunker buster and actually finishing team fights. It can’t counter everything (nor should any build) but the only real “problem” build I have are a few revenants or an occasional necro in 1v1 situations when this build isn’t really meant to 1v1 anyway but +1 and end team fights. Importantly lightning rod + Air3/4 and Earth 4 and shocking aura help alot with the offensive capabilities in other attunements (those are mostly unblockable too so it helps destroy bunker mesmers). No it’s not meta but because of that, there is of course the surprise wtf moment when an enemy team wipes at the start of a game because they don’t think to focus a tempest and that actually wins me a lot of games when solo queueing in ranked. I’m looking forward to the buffs to lightning rod but that trait is non-existent in PvE builds.

Basically, they don’t need to split everything, nor will changes to GM traits necessarily buff ele like crazy in PvE because lightning rod buffs won’t. I doubt BttH will change as it’ll be kept a “PvE staff” trait and it’s too similar to other 20% more damage below 50%. I’m curious as to how they will buff Fresh Air and that will help D/X eles in PvE but when you think about it, the DPS eles that run D/X zerker in PvE are almost like thieves. Just mobile melee cleave damage with no utility. And if thieves are getting a buff to auto attack damage, I just see this as an increase in build diversity without breaking both game modes. And they could even do something screwy with Fresh Air like adding a 10% bonus damage with scepter clause. Just wait a few more hours to see what the preview says.

Get back to me when you’re winning tournaments, particularly ones with cash prizes, with a zerker/marauder ele in it.