Guild Wars 2

In order to maximize your stats, you previously had to have 5X +16 AR.

How do you “break” that and get at least some of this money back?

It really doesn’t feel rewarding for some of us who dedicated a lot of time on these fractals… more like we got screwed.

I have a few +16 agony infusions i’d like to deconstruct to make the new ones, but the deconstruct golem wont take these as the max is 13 > 12, could we have an option to deconstruct all the infusions please?

I’m in the same position as you are, please anet add all the options to deconstruct everything

Thank you for looking into this

Another question: I now lost 7 agony resistance, (i use +7 infusions, and +10 and 2x +11 to get the old +150 infused).

It feels ultra over the top expensive, to compensate for the loss of +7 amulet infusion; Please tell me how to compensate for it (and don’t tell me the matrix thingy, that litteraly is super expensive).

Another question… could be I’m blind and I’m simply not seeing it anywhere.
For the sake of saving space, I had quite a lot of +6 agony infusions (instead of keeping hordes of +1, I was slowly upgrading them). Can’t find anywhere the option to upgrade them anymore… am I just out of luck and they became completely useless?

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

Another question: I now lost 7 agony resistance, (i use +7 infusions, and +10 and 2x +11 to get the old +150 infused).

It feels ultra over the top expensive, to compensate for the loss of +7 amulet infusion; Please tell me how to compensate for it (and don’t tell me the matrix thingy, that litteraly is super expensive).

I haven’t tried, but according to the release notes, you can sell them to one of the vendors.

Vanth.5439:

Another question… could be I’m blind and I’m simply not seeing it anywhere.
For the sake of saving space, I had quite a lot of +6 agony infusions (instead of keeping hordes of +1, I was slowly upgrading them). Can’t find anywhere the option to upgrade them anymore… am I just out of luck and they became completely useless?

Artificers can still do it the old way. I didn’t do the math, but I suspect the cost is the same.

honestly, just be done with the whole kitten ar confusion. Just use it as a magic find bar to affect the entire account. the more you use, the higher your ar and scales respectively. OPTIONALLY we can add the stat infusions to armor.

I’m sorry,but this is not fair.
A player logs out with 150 AR,and logs back in after the patch with 143AR.
To get the +7 back you need 4 +9 infusions,and extractors for the +7 ones you are going to remove.

Either add the agony infusion slot back to the amulet(there are already items with multiple infusion slots of different types in the game),or put a enriched +7 AR infusion in the laurel vendor,or give to every player that had a +7,or higher, AR infusion removed from the amulet,4 +9 infusions and 4 extractors for free.

Until this gets sorted out ,I’m not touching fractals again.

k

/15characters

Bye bye then.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/4ur7x4/new_ar_infusion_calculations/

Someone asked me to do so calculations for them and I figured if I was going to put in the work I should share it. Feel free to double check my work as I’ve most likely misclicked something while inputting the numbers.

Edit: Just saw the post get down voted like 5 times after I posted it. Guys I just did the calculations, I’m not making you buy the infusions lol.

I don’t see the problem, the fix is like less than a gold. Just extract one of your rings and break up the large infusions.

Still trying to wrap my head around why they did all this work, that will make me go and micromanage half a dozen characters again… all for the same result? kitten man, that seems so inefficient. Unless they’re planning on giving us a ton of new fractal levels… why?

Jerus.4350:

Still trying to wrap my head around why they did all this work, that will make me go and micromanage half a dozen characters again… all for the same result? kitten man, that seems so inefficient. Unless they’re planning on giving us a ton of new fractal levels… why?

As a guy who has had to walk like 12 people through te infusion system, I understand exactly why they did it.

The multiple infusion types were confusing to new players. Now they work like most people expect them to. A slot says “infusion” and you can put any infusion in there.

Agony is not the only reason to get infusions.

The ability to get relics refund is nice but why not giving the option to convert them into properly working +7 infusions ?

You can’t simply convert the refunded relics into +1 infusions so it is not helping to fully switch to the new system. Which means you either reinvest thoroughly for these old +7 or keep obsolete infusions in your gear ad vitam eternam…

While I think this change is for the better, it feels quite messy because of this IMO.

Anyone else would like this option ? Or see the reason behind the inability to convert them ?

Well I think everyone agree that is system is better.

Yes, but for months (year?) the only option we had was either 7AR or +5/5.

So 14 (number of agony slots) * 5 > 90 to get max stats
And we needed 5 (number of infusion slots) * 16 to get to 150.

A +16 AR is about 500g JUST OF Thermocatalytic Reagent. So not counting the 32,768 Agony +1.

So you understand why some people are bitter that out of nowhere we lost more 2.5k worth of stuff…

Just looking at the market right now… Agony infusions +16 have lost almost their value…

Easy fix is to just have the deconstruction available up to 20. My assumption is the Devs didn’t want to clog up the menu or assumed that no one was crazy enough to go over 13. Which is weird because min maxers were required 4 × 16 which devs should know exist in their game. I’m confident it’ll be fixed in the next update.

Got a +7 simple infusion refunded since it won’t affix to the amulet anymore. How do I get back up to 150 the cheapest way?

Rings are +7, +10, +11 (28 each), +7 in every other available slot.

tl/dr: Its great that you eliminated Offensive vs Defensive slots, but for anyone who didnt buy the top-tier Versatile Fine Infusions, you really did us no favors, since we have to replace half our infusions from scratch to benefit from the change to the slots.

I’m confused (and I hope i’m being dense and missing some option on the new NFUZ vendor), about the approach that was taken with the upgrades for Fine quality Infusions along with the change to eliminate the restricted infusion slots

If you had Versatile Infusions, which you could put into any slot, Defensive or otherwise, then what used to be:

Versatile Mighty Infusion (Fine)
+5 Power
+5 Agony Resistance
which cost: 100 Philosopher’s Stone + 50 Mystic Coins + 100 Passion Flower + 250 Vial of Powerful Blood

now has gotten upgraded to

Mighty +9 Agony Infusion
+5 Power
+9 Agony Resistance

And that’s great. A lot of materials went into that and its still a very useful item that is pretty much what everyone will want to slot.

But if you had non-Versatile Infusions, then what you used to have in your armor might have been:

Resilient Infusion (Fine)
+5 Toughness
+5 Agony Resistance
and which cost: 1 Philosopher’s Stone + 20 Mystic Coins + 250 Karka Shells + 100 Armored Scale

and it got upgraded to

Resilient +7 Agony Infusion
+5 Toughness
+7 Agony Resistance

Also a nice upgrade if you want to continue running toughness in those slots, or any slots at this point.

But as of this patch, now that we can put offensive stats into any slot, you’d expect that most people are going to work towards +90 of one offensive stat, rather than a mix of defensive and offensive as before.

Now, I didn’t spend quite as much on the Fine Defensive Infusions as the Versatile Infusions would have cost, but it also wasn’t nothing, far from it. I guess that was my mistake to have bought those types of Infusions instead of saving up to get the top-tier Versatile Infusions instead. Because as of now these Fine Defensive Infusions are probably going to rot in the bank since there is no path to upgrade them other than higher agony Defensive stat infusions. The two choices in this case seem to be:

- Keep using the same Defensive stats in slots that are no longer locked to that type of stat
- Acquire all new infusions for those slots that used to be locked to Defensive stats.

Please consider giving us a method of changing the stats on our older infusions to accompany the elimination of restrictions on infusion slots

PopeUrban.2578:

Jerus.4350:

Still trying to wrap my head around why they did all this work, that will make me go and micromanage half a dozen characters again… all for the same result? kitten man, that seems so inefficient. Unless they’re planning on giving us a ton of new fractal levels… why?

As a guy who has had to walk like 12 people through te infusion system, I understand exactly why they did it.

The multiple infusion types were confusing to new players. Now they work like most people expect them to. A slot says “infusion” and you can put any infusion in there.

Agony is not the only reason to get infusions.

You’re right, I’m just frustrated because I JUST finished setting up 6 characters with 150 AR :s

READ THIS:

You can insert any agony infusion into any infusion slot (minus amulet). And you can simply make a lot of +9 infusions out of your higher ones for free.

It basically means if you had the usual 3x +10 and 2x +11 you can now exchange them for 14x +9 infusions. And you only need 6x +7 and 12x +9 infusions to get your full 150.

What does that mean? Right you actually don’t have to pay anything for 150 AR and you end up with 2x +9 infusions and a few fractal relics (sell the old simple +7 ones) in your bag.

KickzNGigglez.4958:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/4ur7x4/new_ar_infusion_calculations/

Someone asked me to do so calculations for them and I figured if I was going to put in the work I should share it. Feel free to double check my work as I’ve most likely misclicked something while inputting the numbers.

Edit: Just saw the post get down voted like 5 times after I posted it. Guys I just did the calculations, I’m not making you buy the infusions lol.

Thanks for cross-posting.

(Reminder: stuff gets down-voted automatically by the reddit forum mechanics — in theory, it’s to prevent people from gaming the system; in practice, you’re not the first person to be confused by it.)

See also:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/4upsar/king_agony_infusion_guide_standard_economy_luxury/d5rxjqw

Another person’s take on the same idea.

Other considerations:

• Do you want the other buffs (+power, +condi)? Or just the AR?
• Do you want to set things up so you have most of your AR in trinkets that can be used by any build?

Neox.3497:

READ THIS:

You can insert any agony infusion into any infusion slot (minus amulet). And you can simply make a lot of +9 infusions out of your higher ones for free.

It basically means if you had the usual 3x +10 and 2x +11 you can now exchange them for 14x +9 infusions. And you only need 6x +7 and 12x +9 infusions to get your full 150.

What does that mean? Right you actually don’t have to pay anything for 150 AR and you end up with 2x +9 infusions and a few fractal relics (sell the old simple +7 ones) in your bag.

Only up to +13s. Anything higher cannot currently be broken up.

i’m asking me the same question.
I want to go back with 150 quickly.

Anyone else having issues with infusions into the crafting backpacks?

Do 2x 11 on the rings instand of the 7

Or just a +10 on one, and +11 on the other.

Yeah I’d like to concentrate agony as much as possible on the rings, so I can swap them onto other characters as needed. It’s tempting to break down the +11 and +10’s to unlock the extra agony, but that’s not the direction I want to go. I want to begin using the new power/agony infusions which were insanely expensive before, but now seem approachable.

edit: take back what I said. easily fixable with minimal investment.

1. extract what you have from trinkets
2. sell off the versatiles (you dont need these, and old versatile slots are now normal infusion slots))
3. count the open number of infusion slots you now have available
4. talk to the 5959 robot and break down the highest +’s you have until you reach the number of open infusion slots (11s to 2x 10s, etc)
5. reapply them back to your trinkets

As someone who has been doing daily T4 for a while now and previously climbed through from level 50 to 100 fractal by fractal it is really obnoxious to sign on and have your AR knocked off. And then basically be told go spend your money on the market.
There was a lot of time, effort, and gold put into hitting 150+ AR (I play guard main) and to have it wiped away with no ready exchange to make me level 100 ready again is a real slap in the face.
Thank you for rewarding the players who play your content in such a fashion.

Mooncaller.9634:

As someone who has been doing daily T4 for a while now and previously climbed through from level 50 to 100 fractal by fractal it is really obnoxious to sign on and have your AR knocked off. And then basically be told go spend your money on the market.
There was a lot of time, effort, and gold put into hitting 150+ AR (I play guard main) and to have it wiped away with no ready exchange to make me level 100 ready again is a real slap in the face.
Thank you for rewarding the players who play your content in such a fashion.

Reminds me of the fractal reset (never forget) if you put it like this.
But no, this time you haven’t lost any progress, just break down your infusions in your rings and reapply as necessary. Basically no gold spent.

6x +9= 54
12x +8= 96

150 AR

You’ll actually probably make back some money by selling the extra infusions after breaking them down.

9x +7 = 63
9x +8 = 72
Fractal potion = 15

for budget set

With the changes to infusion slots on amulets, every fractaler who had an infusion on that slot lost 5 or 7 AR.

That might seem like a small deal, but it ended up costing me 25g to correct. I play level 100 regularly and had 150 AR perfectly. When the patch hit, that dropped me to 143 AR, and in order to make up that 7 AR, I needed 4 +9 infusions.

This cost me in-game money to correct. While the system wasn’t perfect before, it was functional. Because of a QOL change, I had to pay 25g to continue doing what I normally do.

I would like a refund of that money. Or something. I’m pretty peeved by this.

I didn’t realize that the currency you need to buy the new infusions is 1/10 stabilizing matrices, so I traded in all my old +7 versatiles, then realized I couldn’t just buy replacements with the fractal relic refunds. With all of the matrices I have ever acquired, I can’t even afford 1 +9 AR +5 stat infusion, and I could only get 3 +5 AR +5 stats. End result is I have dropped over 10 AR and I’m going to have to extract the +5s that were all I had available at some point, using a lot of extractors. Which are going to need to be used a lot more in general now, since we will need to constantly pull stuff out of our gear in order to use it to upgrade from AR to AR + stat and to upgrade among the AR + stat infusions.

I don’t think people are correcting their infusions correctly.

You should aim for 14 +9’s and 6 +7’s.

Break down your +10’s and +11’s into +9’s. You should have enough. Use the versatile +7’s you got from the exchange or that you already had. Should cost like 5 gold max if you buy all the extractors.

break down the big infusions
and reapply

congrats you have more than 150 AR and extra infusions to sell for gold

I’ve listed a bunch of alternative ways to hit 150 but I guess no one likes to read and enjoys posting the same QQ

can we have method to deconstruct +15AR infusions to lower infusion plisssssss….. that way i can put +10 on 17 slots, and still left with many leftover

plisss plissss.. i have 2 +15 waiting to be deconstructed………

im frightened how confusing this all sounds for me to do when i get home ._.

Mooncaller.9634:

As someone who has been doing daily T4 for a while now and previously climbed through from level 50 to 100 fractal by fractal it is really obnoxious to sign on and have your AR knocked off. And then basically be told go spend your money on the market.
There was a lot of time, effort, and gold put into hitting 150+ AR (I play guard main) and to have it wiped away with no ready exchange to make me level 100 ready again is a real slap in the face.
Thank you for rewarding the players who play your content in such a fashion.

You dont spend money. You actually make a profit breaking some of your 10/11’s to 9’s and replacing the VSI +7s with those. The VSI7s can be refunded to frac relics, and you should have leftover Agony infusions which can be sold to more than recoup your extractor cost.

KickzNGigglez.4958:

I don’t see the problem, the fix is like less than a gold. Just extract one of your rings and break up the large infusions.

I ended up extracting all of the trinkets,the backpack,and 2 armor pieces.
The way it is now,anything above +9 is useless ,unless you don’t have a full ascended set.

What happened? my AR is a mess, what’s an enrichment slot? How do I get it? Can I +7 it?

Yep. Just extract everything and break em into 8/9. If you have 150 AR before, you should have leftover 8/9 which you can sell on the TP to cover for the extractor cost. It should still leave you with some profit.

Unless you have +15 infusions or something… at which point better wait till anet allows breaking down the high plus infusions.

No only exp/karma/gold or magic find goes in that slot now.

I put lot of money to Mighty 5/5 Infusions and they are now chaged to to +7/7 Infusion. And now this +7/7 infusions are rly cheap to make when +9/9 are not. Maybe i heard wrong on WP video ytoday that we will get +9/9 infusions for compensation? I was happy about it and then saw we got +7 :/

Where do you buy those?

You need to shift your AR around a bit, but overall it won’t really cost you anything except perhaps 15-minutes of your time. Aim for 4x +7s & 2x +9s in your armor, with +7s in your weapons and +9s in your trinkets, rings and backpiece. (This configuration is good because it allows you to easily get additional weapons with AR since it’s only +7 in the weapons and not +9s)

You can break down your +12s, +11s and +10s into enough +9s to do this. You’ll probably end up with excess +9s from this, so just sell them and make money.