Guild Wars 2

When are you going to fix the system so 2 people cant boot you…

Im so sick of this bs i cant even play pugs anymore.

Just got kicked at the end of arah… wast of an hour…

ofcourse they probably kicked me for directing them what to do, ex.

not all rushing to a downed person at giganticus, and ofcourse i beat lupi by myself while they were downed, i rez them then i get kicked right at end…

why would you pug? That is why you have guilds/friend’s list!

my guild of 500 people none of them wanted to do arah

People always say that well my experince is no guild ever wants to do only what i want to at the times i do.

how about anet fixs their game?

2 people being able to kick someone at the end is kitten /p>

it should be 4 people, (atleast 3) whos bright idea was it to let 2 people kick someone, even if i had 1 friend with me i wouldnt have a chance

Not everybody has a warrior or a mesmer…

Edit: lol freaking wrong board I posted this on…get some coffee and try again

I’ve PUG’d tons of dungeons and never got myself kicked. Maybe I’m just lucky?

Milennin.4825:

I’ve PUG’d tons of dungeons and never got myself kicked. Maybe I’m just lucky?

You are. There are more than a few trolls who team together, join pugs, and boot people at the end of a dungeon. They do it for kicks.

I’ve yet to be kicked from a dungeon and I do tons of pug dungeons. I realize that there are people out there that grief. I also think that it should take 3 votes instead of 2 to kick. However, if you’re getting kicked from every other dungeon, I think you need to objectively look at your performance and/or behavior.

Groups weren’t designed for PuGs, which is why some things seem wrong. All content that can use a group is designed for “coordinated players” (dungeons) and friends (personal story).

Unless they required everyone in the group except the 1 person to kick you, you’d still get kicked. People tend to just accept kick requests either because they simply don’t care of because they’re drawn towards clicking yes buttons. The only real solution to stop repeated kickers is to track how many times they’ve kicked people and then limit it based on that. The more you initiate a kick request, the less you’re allowed to do it. This type of system isn’t usually found in consensual groups however.

A LFG system is coming, which may or may not change how groups work.

laharl.8435:

I’ve yet to be kicked from a dungeon and I do tons of pug dungeons. I realize that there are people out there that grief. I also think that it should take 3 votes instead of 2 to kick. However, if you’re getting kicked from every other dungeon, I think you need to objectively look at your performance and/or behavior.

Its not my performance, the problem is im usually the one guiding people thru the dungeons telling them what to do (only after theyve died/wiped multiple times)

A lot of people don’t like getting told what to do, keep in mind i do this in a respectful way.

Its not me trust me.

Take a break I guess? Maybe find some friends who are willing to run whatever dungeons with you. A friend of mine runs several dungeons for gear/skins and while I don’t usually want anything from those tokens, I still help out because I’m always up for just about anything. That’s probably how we met in the first place. My point is, if you’re coming across so many griefers, you need to find like-minded people and keep them around.

As far as pugs go, sometimes there are obvious signs that it may be a bad group. The person who created the party and the way they talk or conduct themselves can be a sign of bad times. Some recent signs off the top of my mind:

1) Liberally vote kicking people is one of them. They’re not afraid to do it without any explanation or thought. It’s rude, but it’s likely that they don’t care about other players.
2) Another is stubbornness. Some have control issues and refuse to listen to input or desires from the party because they feel they are 100% right when they are usually wrong. Some people just have to have everything go their way because it’s comfortable for themselves only. This is something that spawns bully behavior. A lack of tolerance.
3) Selfish actions. Signet warriors (4-5 signets) is a selfish build in dungeons. PvE map/world events are fine. In dungeons, it pulls the whole team down. Granted, the person may just not understand what they’re doing. But if you explain to them whats needed for the whole group to make a successful run and they don’t care, then yeah not a good sign.
(edit) 4) They talk like a complete jerk. Possibly a very immature person.

When I do CoF dungeons, I worry about griefers since it’s a popular dungeon (attracts all sorts of people). The way I solve this for myself is to create the dungeon instance. I’m a very fair person and treat others the way I wanted to be treated. I make sure everyone leaves the dungeon after getting their rewards. But during the dungeon, if they kick me, they lose. It also removes power from the potential griefer because they can’t liberally kick people and risk destroying the dungeon instance.

I never been griefed in the game, but its always on my mind due to stories like yours. I expect to have it happen to me sometime in the future. But I take my precautions.

Your definition of respectful when telling people what to do can differ from others.

I’ve played with some people multiple times where he/she are oblivious of their deficiencies. They talk like they know everything, but their play doesn’t back it up. I’m not saying this is your case, but perhaps it’s the way you talk to people that rubs them the wrong way and you don’t realize it. Also, some people are okay with another person giving them directions, but don’t appreciate the tone the person uses. When you talk down to people like they’re dumb, it ruins their fun.

Try not talking and directing and let someone else do it. Even though you don’t intend to say things that might touch a nerve, others might feel it that way. See if you see griefing happen less to yourself. Don’t stand out and be a target of it.

Lysico.4906:

why would you pug? That is why you have guilds/friend’s list!

It’s hard to find a good guild and keep friends in the game. Some guildies are great to run dungeons with while some make it way more difficult. I’ve had some of the smoothest runs in dungeons with pugs.

laharl.8435:

I’ve yet to be kicked from a dungeon and I do tons of pug dungeons. I realize that there are people out there that grief. I also think that it should take 3 votes instead of 2 to kick. However, if you’re getting kicked from every other dungeon, I think you need to objectively look at your performance and/or behavior.

I have pugged a lot of dungeons and IIRC I have never been kicked from a group. No offense meant to the OP, and this might not be the case at all in this situation, but some people don’t realize the way they communicate rubs other people the wrong way. It’s that or really bad luck rolling these pug groups.

My armor and title was made by pugs
But this is long ago, when great / good players was online, and before this kick-before-the-end plague was spreading. I wish you the best luck, or just take a break/leave, if you’re not able to find a constant serious group/friends.
Your request was made by day one for 7 months billion times, Anet just ignore us.
The game is programmed to have the guy on cinematics as leader, and his buddy as kicker near the end, that’s all. I guess the resources needed to reprogram the entire core would be so long , hard to accomplish and filled of bugs (not that much skilled team, as proved hehe) to have just left ignored this request by the dev team long ago.
Robert Hrouda told us to report them, and support team would investigate and ban players having this behaviour. Do you want to read my last ticket about this topic and how the support answered? I had to push having Robert personally answering me about the issue, promising an investigation.
So far, open a ticket and be pushy remembering what Hrouda told us, should help to clean a bit the playerbase removing trash.
I suggest to take screenshots, and if possible a dialogue. Sometimes the duo attempt to flame the guy soon kicked, attempting to use it as a justification. Press quickly the print screen button. Will help. If silent , and suddendly kicked, you’re out of luck. Even investigating, the support team doesn’t help. Even if they are “serial kickers” hehe.

I see many posts of getting griefed and such, but it never happened to me before. I have pugged pretty much all my dungeons and fractals. And so far i only kicked 2-3 players, because they were a kitten to the group.

Players tend to get irked when a complete stranger start giving advice on how to do stuff, regardless of your tone/intention. In their minds, you are being elitist and a kitten. Let your game speak for you and only give advice when asked for. Or if you must, after completing the dungeon.

Bunmaster.9734:

I see many posts of getting griefed and such, but it never happened to me before. I have pugged pretty much all my dungeons and fractals. And so far i only kicked 2-3 players, because they were a kitten to the group.

Players tend to get irked when a complete stranger start giving advice on how to do stuff, regardless of your tone/intention. In their minds, you are being elitist and a kitten. Let your game speak for you and only give advice when asked for. Or if you must, after completing the dungeon.

^ This.

if you get kicked so often you clearly deserve it.

Direngrey.8376:

Bunmaster.9734:

I see many posts of getting griefed and such, but it never happened to me before. I have pugged pretty much all my dungeons and fractals. And so far i only kicked 2-3 players, because they were a kitten to the group.

Players tend to get irked when a complete stranger start giving advice on how to do stuff, regardless of your tone/intention. In their minds, you are being elitist and a kitten. Let your game speak for you and only give advice when asked for. Or if you must, after completing the dungeon.

^ This.

QFT. But honestly, ive been booted maybe 1-2 times total from groups. I could smell it coming a mile away too. Obvious was obvious. Theres so many times where there was so much tension, but still no kick.

I dont see how people get kicked so much. Either making it up or they do something totally absurd. I give people advice constantly.

I constantly give orders such as “Skip” “Dont attack this” “Pull here” “Equip defensive skills to make it through” . Never have been kicked for that

I usually send an email to blast them when they just kick me for no reason!

Blissified.8369:

laharl.8435:

I’ve yet to be kicked from a dungeon and I do tons of pug dungeons. I realize that there are people out there that grief. I also think that it should take 3 votes instead of 2 to kick. However, if you’re getting kicked from every other dungeon, I think you need to objectively look at your performance and/or behavior.

Its not my performance, the problem is im usually the one guiding people thru the dungeons telling them what to do (only after theyve died/wiped multiple times)

A lot of people don’t like getting told what to do, keep in mind i do this in a respectful way.

Its not me trust me.

I wonder if your “telling them what to do” is what’s getting you kicked. As others have said before, people don’t like to be told what to do. Even if you don’t mean to be pushy or offensive, they may take your style that way. Try playing some dungeons without talking much.

never get kicked yet,,,. I’m always pugging..
maybe you’re rude to them, or wont rez them, or insulting them,. or do something that tick them off.

How about you open the dungeon instance so if they kick you, they’re also kicked.

Transfer to a server without horrible people, I’ve never once experienced this

Only one time someone left early and I didn’t get to loot, they gave me 1g as an apology..

If you’re getting kicked that often just stop talking,stop giving advice unless you’re absolutely sure that they want it,or just be the instance creator and be as snarky as you like!

Apart from telling them what to do, explain to them as well why you’re saying that. For example, tell the thief that it’s better to use dagger storm at the final grawl boss instead of basilisk venom because most of the time, its the mobs that give you trouble and each dagger hit counts as 1 hit and brings the bubble down faster. Things like that, said in a suggestive manner are always taken better. Especially if you start with “Hey thief, maybe next time you can use dagger storm because….” :p

Perhaps it’s less you being griefed and more something up with you as a player. I have kicked people for giving unwarranted advice the entire dungeon, when it’s clear we’ve been through the instance before and no-one has stated it’s their first time, in some cases being asked to stop and refusing to do so. I have come across pugs that will drop instance/kick/troll, but maybe once every handful of encounters and usually dealt with before they’re a problem. A lot of the time the person giving the advice is spending less time DPSing and otherwise being useful themselves and more of “that kitten that doesn’t realize he’s being carried.” You may have the best of intentions, but you’ll come across like a kitten regardless of how you -think- you sound. No-one will perceive you as being the reason your group was able to beat the dungeon, that you “led the group to victory!”, no matter how much you may think so.

If you’re truly being griefed then report it to CS. If the jokers continually do the same against other players then CS will have a history to go by.

Blissified.8369:

When are you going to fix the system so 2 people cant boot you…

Im so sick of this bs i cant even play pugs anymore.

Just got kicked at the end of arah… wast of an hour…

ofcourse they probably kicked me for directing them what to do, ex.

not all rushing to a downed person at giganticus, and ofcourse i beat lupi by myself while they were downed, i rez them then i get kicked right at end…

I don’t buy your story. While griefers exist they are not that prevalent. It’s most likely due to your own bad attitude that you are getting kicked that often.

Even if they do change it so it takes 3 or even 4 votes I doubt it would change anything for you unless you change yourself first.

I think it’s okay to be ‘PUG’ but to also be patient & friendly- if this is a frequent problem for you; getting kicked- then maybe change the attitude.

Grounder.7381:

never get kicked yet,,,. I’m always pugging..
maybe you’re rude to them, or wont rez them, or insulting them,. or do something that tick them off.

Ditto this. Maybe take a look at how you are talking/typing to the group. You may come across as rude or know it all without meaning to.
Be respectful to the pugs and the majority will be the same back. (notice I said majority)

You show up here every month or so complain about being kicked. Have you considered the idea that maybe you are the problem like a lot of people have suggested in the past?

I’ve only ever been kicked once and that was from CoF path 1. Given the way you phrased it and the post above I’m guessing you should give this op in this thread a gander https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Again-the-Biggest-Problem-with-Dungeons/first

I pug off gw2lfg all the time and am very often in the position of telling newer players what to do during each encounter, yet I have never once been kicked from a group. Maybe you just come off as a horrible, unlikable person.

If your getting “griefed” every other dungeon it sounds like maybe you have a problem grouping with others. I’ve been grouping in a lot of dungeons for quite awhile now and never been kicked from a group. And the only people I’ve seen kicked from groups were ones that just didn’t group well with others.

laharl.8435:

I’ve yet to be kicked from a dungeon and I do tons of pug dungeons. I realize that there are people out there that grief. I also think that it should take 3 votes instead of 2 to kick. However, if you’re getting kicked from every other dungeon, I think you need to objectively look at your performance and/or behavior.

Kitten mittens! You’re right on the money. OP is obviously a troll if he is getting kicked every dungeon.

I think you’re just unlucky with PUGs or you came across too preachy and arrogant (easy to do when your in the middle of a fight, typing fast, and trying to tell people how to help.)

I’ve run dungeons paths where I was totally garbage. The first time I did AC with my warrior, I couldn’t get back up the stairs with the flames without dying. I’ve never been kicked. Of course I was very apologetic and felt like a kitten for dying.

Except for a half a dozen dungeon runs (probably done well over 400), I have pugged everything else. I have never been kicked.

This isn’t meant to be an insult, but maybe you need to look at how you are coming across to others.

Stop being a rude jerk. I’ve done tons of dungeons, most all PUGs, never once have I or anyone else been kicked.

This is why I love my Guild- lots of people open for various dungeon runs, no bullkitten.

what? he can’t help his team by giving them info about the dungeon? yeh let’s just everyone shut up and have p3 take 3 hours that’s great that’s amazing alright! imo: run with a friend, have him invite you back, kick kitten before you get booted again, try to create the instance. I do arah, you can add me if you want to

i just recently ran into a person who ordered people around. the way he talked was very condescending and annoying. it was very unpleasant. would definitely kick.

Considering the amount of dungeons and fractals I’ve run without once being kicked, all through pugging via gw2lfg.com, I say if someone has a problem with repeatedly getting kicked…it isn’t because they’re a victim.

I don’t sit silent most of the time either. If there’s a problem with people dying, I just state the mechanics of the fight in neutral fashion so people know what’s going on, without calling people out.

Even if you don’t mean it try to come across as friendly. Say “haha” add in some emoticons. Little things like that can help ease the tension. If you’ve had a little spack attack at someone mid battle because they were single handedly botching up the whole process (we’ve all been there) then APOLOGISE afterwards. It’s just people skills and you’ll get better at it.
There aren’t hoards of evil duo’s out there trying to do this, even so you can usually tell early on. E.g they’ll be from the same guild, they will actively avoid reviving people, I don’t know maybe I can just read people but just start being nice when things get tense. I’ve yet to be kicked from a PuG beyond the first 10 seconds after joining (for whatever reason, they didn’t like my class, I don’t know.) BTW if the instance leader is an elitist, just leave, I had some guy start querying my weapon choice the second I joined, HAHA BYE BYE.

I agree this needs to be fixed. It’s worse when you’re new to a dungeon (especially fracs), you let the people you’re playing with know that you are indeed, new to the dungeon. Yet they still flame you/kick you. People need to learn. I’ve only been kicked once, but I’m sure it happens a lot. The guy attempting to explain was a tool, and the rest of the team weren’t exactly skilled. No-one brought a ranged attack for the Legendary Dredge suit, so it was all on me to deal ALL the dps.

TBH, I agree with a previous post. You should try to stick with Guildies for such gameplay, however it’s not always possible and you’ve gotta jump in with randomers.

The easiest solution have been said before many times already, go with friends or guildies
maybe another useful thing is to find a guild that is more into running dungeons then other aspects of the game, i bet there should be some or if you are in a guild already try forging a group within the guild that way you can get used to each others style of playing and adept which makes it a lot easier to run basically anything but always ask those guildies in the guild chat to run a dungeon or anything that way you can set a wave and maybe other people pick it up and do it as well.

For PuG groups, “who doesn’t mind, don’t matter” basically if you don’t mind their issues then you’re not a problem to them, just give advice to the people that actually tell the group they are new the dungeon or admit they have only run it 1 or 2 times before, all the other people don’t matter as they never tell they haven’t done it much or they haven’t told they where new.
^^^just something that works for me, so maybe you can use it as well^^^

Zavs.4985:

I agree this needs to be fixed. It’s worse when you’re new to a dungeon (especially fracs), you let the people you’re playing with know that you are indeed, new to the dungeon. Yet they still flame you/kick you. People need to learn. I’ve only been kicked once, but I’m sure it happens a lot. The guy attempting to explain was a tool, and the rest of the team weren’t exactly skilled. No-one brought a ranged attack for the Legendary Dredge suit, so it was all on me to deal ALL the dps.

TBH, I agree with a previous post. You should try to stick with Guildies for such gameplay, however it’s not always possible and you’ve gotta jump in with randomers.

I have never been in a group; agian, I’ve done a ton of pug instances and now Fractals. I have never been in a group where we kicked anyone for inexperience; as long as they were honest. If you say, “i’ve never done this before” or “last time we did this, it was a struggle, is there another way” I will always explain and help the player out.

With seeing how some things change at different stages of the fractals; I usually start out saying “I haven’t done this on this tier yet, anything I should know?”.

I have kicked people before who obviously didn’t know the fight and would constantly wipe us and remained silent.

Xystus.3241:

I have never been in a group; agian, I’ve done a ton of pug instances and now Fractals. I have never been in a group where we kicked anyone for inexperience; as long as they were honest. If you say, “i’ve never done this before” or “last time we did this, it was a struggle, is there another way” I will always explain and help the player out.

This is indeed one the things that happen a lot as well, people never talk when they start a dungeon or ever dare to admit it’s their first time..
Because of fear to get kicked directly or after a couple fails or by being afraid of becoming the source of failure for that moment..

Make sure that you’re the one, who starts the party and the instance.
Anyways, I can’t see how this be happening to you “every other run” , because I did hundreds of dungeon and fractal runs and NOT EVEN ONCE anyone was kicked for any other reason than logging off and not coming back in 10+ minutes without saying anything.

are you that bad? i pug fotm every day and in the passed 3 months i got kicked once cuz i was rushing and my teamates were braindead spamming “wait” until i got kicked. People don’t kick unless you’re REALLY bad or doing high level fractals with no agony resist.