Guild Wars 2

Rewards shouldn’t be addressed until how fractals are addressed. For the last 2 weeks All I see is , “Daily master-bloomhunger-mossman-mossman again-job done for the day.”

Since the update instead of getting a chest after 4, you get it after 3 of playing the same fractal just at different scaling. Even then most players opt for going cheese mode exploit. Now there is complaints rewards aren’t good enough when lets face it, 80%+ of the community faceroll it as easily as possible with no attempt at playing through each fractal level.

Advertise thermo/dredge/snowblind in lvl 70+ you get no takers. Yet lvl 77 constantly advertised and filled. They tried something new, and it made fractals worse off for it.

Everyone who is at that fractal level has played each one of the fractals multiple times. Not to mention the higher level fractals can be complete hell to finish without a decent group. AND the rewards are no better for the harder fractals. And even the easier fracs don’t particularly give a good time/reward investment. You’re wasting your time to do any other fractal unless you’re trying to complete the 50-100 achievement for the golden fractal weapon (which I already have). Unless they drastically increase the rewards of the harder fracs and make higher level fracs far more rewarding in general; it’s common sense to only do those two fractals. After a point, fractals is farming just like any other part of the game, and doing swamp/molten is no easier than any of the other mindless farming that’s part of the game. Especially arguably the most rewarding of all, SW chest farming.

tl;dr All fracs give the same rewards despite some being monumentally harder and longer than others. Give me 10 gold for completing a high level dredge fractal and I might consider doing it. Until then, let people do what fractals they choose to do, thanks.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

Daendur.2357:

Gaile Gray.6029:

Hey all,

I know that some of you were thinking that we’d be releasing updates to fractals today, but that was not the plan. There’s still a lot of stuff coming in December — this is, after all, only the 1st of the month -- so hold tight and you’ll see the fractal changes soon!

Hello,
i’d like to get a reply to a simple question: can we stack reward chests to try a better luck after fractal changes?
You said: “In this iteration of Fractal changes we will be increasing the drop rate of ascended gear from your Fractal dailies with an emphasis on high level Fractals rewarding more ascended armor.”
So I am wondering if we should keep dailies rewards or not.
Thank you.

I’ve started stacking them. I expect that the daily reward chests probably will not be updated, but it takes only a single slot in my bank, so I can afford to wait.

except that when i did it with WvW chests i logged in to find that my stacks were gone…. disappeared, gg

Kagamiku.9731:

Everyone who is at that fractal level has played each one of the fractals multiple times. Not to mention the higher level fractals can be complete hell to finish without a decent group. AND the rewards are no better for the harder fractals. And even the easier fracs don’t particularly give a good time/reward investment. You’re wasting your time to do any other fractal unless you’re trying to complete the 50-100 achievement for the golden fractal weapon (which I already have). Unless they drastically increase the rewards of the harder fracs and make higher level fracs far more rewarding in general; it’s common sense to only do those two fractals. After a point, fractals is farming just like any other part of the game, and doing swamp/molten is no easier than any of the other mindless farming that’s part of the game. Especially arguably the most rewarding of all, SW chest farming.

tl;dr All fracs give the same rewards despite some being monumentally harder and longer than others. Give me 10 gold for completing a high level dredge fractal and I might consider doing it. Until then, let people do what fractals they choose to do, thanks.

Thanks for restating my point. “everyone who plays at those fractals has completed those fractals..” So everyone who has not progressed beyond 77 is eternally stuck there. Anyone who hacks their way there is not engaged and standing on a roof. It’s the new netflix and chill..yet, try to form a group for anything outside of this and all you get is the sound of crickets. Yet ppl want better rewards. Hence why it would be healthier to fix fractals first. Giving better rewards will only encourage more of what is already happening. The disparity of time invested in the problem, the ability to choose singular fractals is an issue. The older system addressed this better. A competent PuG could complete all 4 in 40 minutes and under at lvl 50. It promoted stronger team play and competency. Now it is just stack DPS machines in an exploit location and rinse-repeat. Where players want better rewards for doing less, achieving less, exploiting and playing as selfishly as possible. No matter how you look at it, anet is adjusting ascended drops at higher levels, but adding more reward with the current system is only going to make fractals more static and sad. I would rather see them fix the annoy/troll element instead of skill/challenge factor of the instabilities at higher levels first before addressing rewards.

That’s not true. You can get a fractal of any level going if you’re persistent enough. While most people will not attempt them, enough people play fractals to where some will take the bait eventually. It might take 20minutes, but it will happen. I completed my 50-100 achievement only recently.

You can’t fix fractals without giving better rewards too. So you’re going to force players to do fracs they don’t want to do while giving the same kittenty rewards? The better rewards need to come either first, or at the same time as fixing the rest of fractals. And harder fractals need to give exponentially better rewards, or whats’ the point of doing them at all?

There is nothing selfish about what the players are choosing to do. They’re optimizing their time within the game to get as much from the mediocre rewards as possible. They’re not forcing players to join their groups. Hell, from what I’ve seen, they’re not even forcing them to wear a particular stat combination. As long as they have the ar, and they know what to do then any player is welcome. I’d say it’s more selfish to expect players to play in fracs that you need completed despite them having already accomplished that goal themselves. Sub 50fracs aren’t so bad, but 70+ are literal hell with their incredibly high HP. My dredge pug (highest dredge scale) group took 2 hours to complete because the boss took 30minutes of constant attacking and many of the pugs could not stay alive long enough to kill it.

All of the veteran frac players have completed fracs hundreds, if not thousands of times. Almost no one cares about fracs beyond doing dailies. You’re just going to get a bunch of disgruntled players if you randomize fracs without increasing their rewards. Most people playing fracs now are only in it for the legendary backpack. Once that’s done, there will be even fewer people playing fracs.

Gaile Gray.6029:

Hey all,

I know that some of you were thinking that we’d be releasing updates to fractals today, but that was not the plan. There’s still a lot of stuff coming in December — this is, after all, only the 1st of the month -- so hold tight and you’ll see the fractal changes soon!

Only the 1st but there is basically only one patch day left in the month as well …

Gaile Gray.6029:

HwaRyun.1807:

It seems kind of silly to let people speculate and get their hopes up about the fractal changes dropping today when you guys knew it was never part of the plan. A simple “It won’t be the coming with the December 1st patch” would have done.

To be clear, speculation isn’t something we can control, nor will we bounce into every thread that contains a speculative comment to try address it. We did not announce, and never planned for, a drop on December 1st. If you are disappointed, I really am sorry to hear that. I’m familiar with speculation — we had a lot of it as we prepared to release Guild Wars, Guild Wars 2, Guil… well, you follow my drift. It’s part of the nature of our sharing info about upcoming games, features, or improvements, that someone will speculate a date and that the date — even while never stated by us — may come to be seen as “obvious” or even “official.”

In this case, we wanted to share the news that good things are coming, but as in other cases, a date was not tied to that info.

I just checked with Production, and everything is on track to see the introduction of fractal changes later this month.

Vissarion.6509:

Gaile Gray.6029:

Hey all,

I know that some of you were thinking that we’d be releasing updates to fractals today, but that was not the plan. There’s still a lot of stuff coming in December — this is, after all, only the 1st of the month -- so hold tight and you’ll see the fractal changes soon!

thank you for the communication, at least it was a bit quick (better late than ever).

But the frustration from many of us waiting for a fix to the rewards is over 9000!!!!!!

I understand and sympathize. I like what’s coming, but I do know it’s difficult to wait!

I love your work on the forums Gail but this is just silly. Speculation is EXACTLY the thing that you can control with proper communication.

Fractal variety comes from the daily rewards. People log in, do the level 17, 35, whatever, and then are free to choose whichever ones they want to play to complete their other dailies.

Because 2 of the dailies dictate certain fractals, you always get a certain amount of variety. Over time, all of the different fractals will end up being played at some point provided people do their dailies. So it’s not like the content is going to waste.

I actually really like the current system from the perspective of time expenditure and convenience.

If you are having difficulties finding parties for higher level fractals:
1.Make your own
2.Run with guildies or friends who are happy to help you, for fun, because they enjoy your company, or because they also want to progress
3.Organise it in advance via forums or other methods if you are still having trouble. There are many people who also wish to progress in the same situation as you.

I personally found it hardest to get parties for some of the difficult fractals at very high levels, as it would often taken an hour or two just to finish a single one. Having hit 100, I don’t particularly feel like going through all of that again. I expect that once you have done it, you will feel the same way.

That may change somewhat once the toughness scaling is altered.

Gaile Gray.6029:

To be clear, speculation isn’t something we can control, nor will we bounce into every thread that contains a speculative comment to try address it. We did not announce, and never planned for, a drop on December 1st. If you are disappointed, I really am sorry to hear that. I’m familiar with speculation — we had a lot of it as we prepared to release Guild Wars, Guild Wars 2, Guil… well, you follow my drift. It’s part of the nature of our sharing info about upcoming games, features, or improvements, that someone will speculate a date and that the date — even while never stated by us — may come to be seen as “obvious” or even “official.”

In this case, we wanted to share the news that good things are coming, but as in other cases, a date was not tied to that info.

I just checked with Production, and everything is on track to see the introduction of fractal changes later this month.

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Gw3 confirmed!

Gaile Gray.6029:

HwaRyun.1807:

It seems kind of silly to let people speculate and get their hopes up about the fractal changes dropping today when you guys knew it was never part of the plan. A simple “It won’t be the coming with the December 1st patch” would have done.

To be clear, speculation isn’t something we can control, nor will we bounce into every thread that contains a speculative comment to try address it. We did not announce, and never planned for, a drop on December 1st. If you are disappointed, I really am sorry to hear that. I’m familiar with speculation — we had a lot of it as we prepared to release Guild Wars, Guild Wars 2, Guil… well, you follow my drift. It’s part of the nature of our sharing info about upcoming games, features, or improvements, that someone will speculate a date and that the date — even while never stated by us — may come to be seen as “obvious” or even “official.”

In this case, we wanted to share the news that good things are coming, but as in other cases, a date was not tied to that info.

I just checked with Production, and everything is on track to see the introduction of fractal changes later this month.

You’ve let us know something isn’t coming before. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Next-Game-Build-Update/first

Why willingly let people get excited about something when there are no plans for it? That only leads to frustration and disappointment. One short message in any thread (especially this very thread) and all the speculation would have gone away.

The fact that you think “speculation isn’t something we can control” is actually the most ridiculous thing I think you have ever said. It is absolutely controllable. Say something once in one place and the community will echo it. That goes for anything, ever!

You had 18 days to step into this thread and just say “this isn’t coming on December 1st” but you just didn’t. And instead of just admitting that you made a mistake you decide to come here and basically say ‘yeah we know you were expecting this but just didn’t say anything because you guys speculate about everything and we can’t be bothered.’

This isn’t new though, communication is getting worse by the day. Not sure why, when, or how this trend started but it is depressing. Look anywhere on the forums, something is wrong with communication.

Etybagig.6012:

You’ve let us know something isn’t coming before. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Next-Game-Build-Update/first

Why willingly let people get excited about something when there are no plans for it? That only leads to frustration and disappointment. One short message in any thread (especially this very thread) and all the speculation would have gone away.

The fact that you think “speculation isn’t something we can control” is actually the most ridiculous thing I think you have ever said. It is absolutely controllable. Say something once in one place and the community will echo it. That goes for anything, ever!

You had 18 days to step into this thread and just say “this isn’t coming on December 1st” but you just didn’t. And instead of just admitting that you made a mistake you decide to come here and basically say ‘yeah we know you were expecting this but just didn’t say anything because you guys speculate about everything and we can’t be bothered.’

This isn’t new though, communication is getting worse by the day. Not sure why, when, or how this trend started but it is depressing. Look anywhere on the forums, something is wrong with communication.

I would say this is an unfair comparison; in your example Anet made a statement about an update not coming on the date they said it would, while in the current situation Anet never mentioned a specific date.

Wether Anet should or could have said something is debatable, I don’t know how much time it would cost them to comment on all rumours that are going on, nor wether it would actually be worth the resources. There might even be positive effects of not killing speculation, as it would seem to me an important factor in the formation of ‘hype’.

I do however think it’s safe to say that if anyone has been disappointed because they believed unconfirmed rumours, the blame lies primarily with these people themselves. The fact that Anet could have made an attempt to correct the speculation does not make them responsible, or you would have to argue that this is a case of serious neglect, which would be a rather harsh conclusion when the only ‘damage’ is disappointment.

Etybagig.6012:

Gaile Gray.6029:

HwaRyun.1807:

It seems kind of silly to let people speculate and get their hopes up about the fractal changes dropping today when you guys knew it was never part of the plan. A simple “It won’t be the coming with the December 1st patch” would have done.

To be clear, speculation isn’t something we can control, nor will we bounce into every thread that contains a speculative comment to try address it. We did not announce, and never planned for, a drop on December 1st. If you are disappointed, I really am sorry to hear that. I’m familiar with speculation — we had a lot of it as we prepared to release Guild Wars, Guild Wars 2, Guil… well, you follow my drift. It’s part of the nature of our sharing info about upcoming games, features, or improvements, that someone will speculate a date and that the date — even while never stated by us — may come to be seen as “obvious” or even “official.”

In this case, we wanted to share the news that good things are coming, but as in other cases, a date was not tied to that info.

I just checked with Production, and everything is on track to see the introduction of fractal changes later this month.

You’ve let us know something isn’t coming before. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Next-Game-Build-Update/first

Why willingly let people get excited about something when there are no plans for it? That only leads to frustration and disappointment. One short message in any thread (especially this very thread) and all the speculation would have gone away.

The fact that you think “speculation isn’t something we can control” is actually the most ridiculous thing I think you have ever said. It is absolutely controllable. Say something once in one place and the community will echo it. That goes for anything, ever!

You had 18 days to step into this thread and just say “this isn’t coming on December 1st” but you just didn’t. And instead of just admitting that you made a mistake you decide to come here and basically say ‘yeah we know you were expecting this but just didn’t say anything because you guys speculate about everything and we can’t be bothered.’

This isn’t new though, communication is getting worse by the day. Not sure why, when, or how this trend started but it is depressing. Look anywhere on the forums, something is wrong with communication.

It was pretty obvious in my opinion that the fractal changes will hit mid december together with wintersday patch. Would have been pretty surprising to see the changes on the 1st (FIRST) of december. It’s in two weeks, so everything is fine. You can be disappointed or upset if it doesn’t hit in two weeks.

Plz make it possible to change lvl INSIDE the lab, in case u wanna run two (or more) fractals that are not the lvl’s following after each other. Running in and out is quite annoying.

Could you answer those questions, as I don’t think they’ll have any major impact on anything.

1. Will daily chests we get now be affected by the reward update or should we just open them now?
2. Currently, we have +5AR and Stat Infusions. Will we be able to turn those into +7AR and 5 (or maybe even 7) Stat Infusions? This is incredibly important considering fractals now require up to 150 AR and we have Ghostly Infusions which are a pretty good raid reward but only come with 5/5 instead of 7/5.

Gaile Gray.6029:

HwaRyun.1807:

It seems kind of silly to let people speculate and get their hopes up about the fractal changes dropping today when you guys knew it was never part of the plan. A simple “It won’t be the coming with the December 1st patch” would have done.

To be clear, speculation isn’t something we can control, nor will we bounce into every thread that contains a speculative comment to try address it. We did not announce, and never planned for, a drop on December 1st. If you are disappointed, I really am sorry to hear that. I’m familiar with speculation — we had a lot of it as we prepared to release Guild Wars, Guild Wars 2, Guil… well, you follow my drift. It’s part of the nature of our sharing info about upcoming games, features, or improvements, that someone will speculate a date and that the date — even while never stated by us — may come to be seen as “obvious” or even “official.”

In this case, we wanted to share the news that good things are coming, but as in other cases, a date was not tied to that info.

I just checked with Production, and everything is on track to see the introduction of fractal changes later this month.

Vissarion.6509:

Gaile Gray.6029:

Hey all,

I know that some of you were thinking that we’d be releasing updates to fractals today, but that was not the plan. There’s still a lot of stuff coming in December — this is, after all, only the 1st of the month -- so hold tight and you’ll see the fractal changes soon!

thank you for the communication, at least it was a bit quick (better late than ever).

But the frustration from many of us waiting for a fix to the rewards is over 9000!!!!!!

I understand and sympathize. I like what’s coming, but I do know it’s difficult to wait!

Speaking of fractal changes, could you please add a way of buying Vial of Condensed Mists Essence from fractal npc vendors? I spent all day yesterday attempting to farm mobs by myself with no luck. I am willing to put the effort in to getting these vials, but I certainly don’t plan on spending months on end just trying to obtain however many I will need for the final few parts of Astralaria Collection III.

Zaoda.1653:

Gaile Gray.6029:

HwaRyun.1807:

It seems kind of silly to let people speculate and get their hopes up about the fractal changes dropping today when you guys knew it was never part of the plan. A simple “It won’t be the coming with the December 1st patch” would have done.

To be clear, speculation isn’t something we can control, nor will we bounce into every thread that contains a speculative comment to try address it. We did not announce, and never planned for, a drop on December 1st. If you are disappointed, I really am sorry to hear that. I’m familiar with speculation — we had a lot of it as we prepared to release Guild Wars, Guild Wars 2, Guil… well, you follow my drift. It’s part of the nature of our sharing info about upcoming games, features, or improvements, that someone will speculate a date and that the date — even while never stated by us — may come to be seen as “obvious” or even “official.”

In this case, we wanted to share the news that good things are coming, but as in other cases, a date was not tied to that info.

I just checked with Production, and everything is on track to see the introduction of fractal changes later this month.

Vissarion.6509:

Gaile Gray.6029:

Hey all,

I know that some of you were thinking that we’d be releasing updates to fractals today, but that was not the plan. There’s still a lot of stuff coming in December — this is, after all, only the 1st of the month -- so hold tight and you’ll see the fractal changes soon!

thank you for the communication, at least it was a bit quick (better late than ever).

But the frustration from many of us waiting for a fix to the rewards is over 9000!!!!!!

I understand and sympathize. I like what’s coming, but I do know it’s difficult to wait!

Speaking of fractal changes, could you please add a way of buying Vial of Condensed Mists Essence from fractal npc vendors? I spent all day yesterday attempting to farm mobs by myself with no luck. I am willing to put the effort in to getting these vials, but I certainly don’t plan on spending months on end just trying to obtain however many I will need for the final few parts of Astralaria Collection III.

Agree, let us buy vials, globs, and shards for varying amounts of fractal relics or even pristine fractal relics for the shard. (1 to 1 would be fine). Less RNG is good imo.

You can do high level fracs and get globs or even ahrds and then break them in the MF for the lesser version. Theres a formula for this.

Gaile Gray.6029:

HwaRyun.1807:

It seems kind of silly to let people speculate and get their hopes up about the fractal changes dropping today when you guys knew it was never part of the plan. A simple “It won’t be the coming with the December 1st patch” would have done.

To be clear, speculation isn’t something we can control, nor will we bounce into every thread that contains a speculative comment to try address it. We did not announce, and never planned for, a drop on December 1st. If you are disappointed, I really am sorry to hear that. I’m familiar with speculation — we had a lot of it as we prepared to release Guild Wars, Guild Wars 2, Guil… well, you follow my drift. It’s part of the nature of our sharing info about upcoming games, features, or improvements, that someone will speculate a date and that the date — even while never stated by us — may come to be seen as “obvious” or even “official.”

In this case, we wanted to share the news that good things are coming, but as in other cases, a date was not tied to that info.

I just checked with Production, and everything is on track to see the introduction of fractal changes later this month.

Vissarion.6509:

Gaile Gray.6029:

Hey all,

I know that some of you were thinking that we’d be releasing updates to fractals today, but that was not the plan. There’s still a lot of stuff coming in December — this is, after all, only the 1st of the month -- so hold tight and you’ll see the fractal changes soon!

thank you for the communication, at least it was a bit quick (better late than ever).

But the frustration from many of us waiting for a fix to the rewards is over 9000!!!!!!

I understand and sympathize. I like what’s coming, but I do know it’s difficult to wait!

If reacting in a thread you started yourself on speculation on a release on December 1st is too much work you should find an other job. So ArenaNet can hire someone who is willing to communicate. Or if it is not your fault but your bosses preventing you from reacting in a thread you started yourself finding another job with a company that takes communication with it customers a little bit more serious would be a good idea.

Especially the “never planned for, a drop on December 1st” made it worse. You knew from the start that release on the first day of December wasn’t an option so nothing stopped you from communicating that. It should have been in your first post in this thread!

To all the players: ArenaNet always throws out this kind of “information”. If it looks like some sort of vague promise, it is a vague promise and just send into the world to keep us quit for a few days. When will we learn this?

Alphard.6529:

deSade.9437:

Rag.3258:

spoj.9672:

Nah they werent. Fractals have never been rewarding enough.

Yes they were. Fractals have been rewarding enough.

No they weren’t.

The 50+ ascended armor and 20+ ascended weapon boxes in my bank would like to disagree.

Edit: Also the hundreds of gold from selling fractal 50/40.

While I agree that the ascended drops were rewarding…when not factoring in the rng nightmare, selling fractal runs is definitely not part of the reward structure. That is just an unsupported opportunistic/predatory activity that ANET chooses not to punish.

On a side note, arguments either stand on their own merits or they don’t stand at all. Having someone/alternate account…that is commonly known to parrot anything you say…pop in and repeat anything you say, does not strengthen an argument.

SteepledHat.1345:

Fay.2357:

Dalent.9358:

MAGpie.7962:

Gaile Gray.6029:

Ascended Drop Rates
We’ve noticed some changes to ascended drop rates that are below what we were expecting.

If you tell a computer, 10%, it will give you 10%. If you tell it, 1%, it will give you 1%. Please tell me, how you can “EXPECT” less than the value YOU put in? Are you kidding me?

You know, I would respect you a lot more if you you man up for a change.

Except that’s not how that works. At all.

That’s absolutely how it works. There are many very complex systems in this game. RNG boxes are not one of them, so don’t try and white-knight by pretending that coding an RNG box takes any amount of skill or experience, because it doesn’t.

You literally just slap an RNG with a if check onto every item in the loot table. If RNG produces a number above a threshold, then it appears in the box. This is not complex, and saying that they ’didn’t expect rates to be this low’ is either flat out lying or admitting they literally don’t have the first clue of how either math or coding works.

Exactly, that’s why I maintain it’s a PR move. Over nerf, claim a mistake, un-nerf but put it at a lower threshold than you started with. You get the level set to where you want it AND you get positive spin for “listening.”

Pretty sure this is exactly what is happening. I’m just waiting for these “fixes” to be implemented so we can end up seeing some ridiculous “increase” by 0.00000001% from this already terribad current reward structure. I can tell by the last paragraph of the OP …in the “gold” section…where they seemed to go above and beyond to obfuscate what they were saying about variation in liquid rewards and relying to greatly on highly valued rewards, that they are just trying to disguise what they are saying. I’m skeptical this will be an actual improvement in net rewards…especially since this would directly conflict with buying gems to get gold.

Iason Evan.3806:

I disagree with having to buy an item to get a reward. That’s not a reward. It’s a thinly veiled gold sink. I also disagree with hiding core game content(high end fractals and their rewards) that was supposed to come out two years ago in the “Fractured Update” behind the HoT paywall. I shouldn’t need HoT masteries to do core GW2 content.

Fractals aren’t HoT content. If you added new HoT themed Fractals, that would be one thing. You didn’t. You took old content and put rewards behind HoT’s mastery system. That needs to change. Fractals and their rewards should all remain as core features seeing as they are core GW2 content.

I can’t help but agree with this. No new fractals added for HoT. No Maguma based items or even Maguma mastery…even from the new 51-100 fractal levels. No Maguma mob types or Maguma themed fractals. None of the new stat combos dropping…exotic or ascended. Completely not HoT content in regards to fractals. I would change my opinion on this completely if all these things were not true though.

I also agree 100% about it being wrong to make us pay to receive rewards from content. There is literally no reason for the encryption keys to exist other than a contrived gold sink. The encryption boxes should be unlocked by default. We already have black lion chests for gold/gem sinks.

TBH, I care a lot less about improved rewards than I do about getting new fractal maps.

brunobyof.3541:

You can do high level fracs and get globs or even ahrds and then break them in the MF for the lesser version. Theres a formula for this.

That wasn’t the point. The point was to take RNG out of the equation so you don’t sit around doing your fractals hoping a shard would drop or a glob. I hate RNG gating and when it comes to higher level fractals you pretty much have no choice and must upgrade your rings to infused/attuned.

While there is a case to make for long time fractal players who have a surplus of these materials. New players will have to HOPE for a drop. If they don’t then it could take many weeks to just get enough to infuse their rings or backpacks.

And yes, I know you can convert between them.

Can we have an official word on the looks of the legendary fotm back item please? Will they stay like this or change back to what it was?

I sure hope the rewards also address drop rates of mist essence. It takes a lot of those in order to make the backpack and right now it just seems RNG with a very low drop rate.

ODB.6891:

Iason Evan.3806:

I disagree with having to buy an item to get a reward. That’s not a reward. It’s a thinly veiled gold sink. I also disagree with hiding core game content(high end fractals and their rewards) that was supposed to come out two years ago in the “Fractured Update” behind the HoT paywall. I shouldn’t need HoT masteries to do core GW2 content.

Fractals aren’t HoT content. If you added new HoT themed Fractals, that would be one thing. You didn’t. You took old content and put rewards behind HoT’s mastery system. That needs to change. Fractals and their rewards should all remain as core features seeing as they are core GW2 content.

I can’t help but agree with this. No new fractals added for HoT. No Maguma based items or even Maguma mastery…even from the new 51-100 fractal levels. No Maguma mob types or Maguma themed fractals. None of the new stat combos dropping…exotic or ascended. Completely not HoT content in regards to fractals. I would change my opinion on this completely if all these things were not true though.

I also agree 100% about it being wrong to make us pay to receive rewards from content. There is literally no reason for the encryption keys to exist other than a contrived gold sink. The encryption boxes should be unlocked by default. We already have black lion chests for gold/gem sinks.

Couldn’t agree more. Why they added this in the first place is beyond me. Who actually stood up and said “hey I’ve got a great idea” and then pitched this nonsense. These boxes are the reward for doing the fractal and they thought making a player pay to open them was a good idea? Just backwards thinking and part of the best example of how this game has gone off track.

It’ll prob get pushed out this Tuesday. That’ll give’m a whole 2 weeks to comfortably work out any bugs before Christmas. Granted, aint gonna hold my breath, but not a bad guesstiamte. lol

The same day that the wintersday event is put in would be my guess.

2x random low level daily fractal
swamp, swamp/molten boss, swamp, swamp/molten boss, swamp, swamp, swamp
#fun#gooddesign

rip fractals.

I don’t think that’s it their fault, that you do only swamp and molten boss fractals. You have a choice now, you just choose todo these. When I’m doing my daily fractals I tend to choose different fractals on all tiers unless I want todo them real quick.

Someone said they wanted new fractal maps, i just wanted to chime in to say that i don’t think they can really add new fractal maps anymore because of the static schedule. One of the things they talked about with that schedule is how helpful it would be for speedrunners and record keeping but adding any new maps would completely disrupt that entire system. And i honestly think they did that on purpose as an excuse to not have to make any new fractal maps.

yelle.7165:

I don’t think that’s it their fault, that you do only swamp and molten boss fractals. You have a choice now, you just choose todo these. When I’m doing my daily fractals I tend to choose different fractals on all tiers unless I want todo them real quick.

It’s their fault that the other scales aren’t rewarding enough to run them.

yelle.7165:

I don’t think that’s it their fault, that you do only swamp and molten boss fractals. You have a choice now, you just choose todo these. When I’m doing my daily fractals I tend to choose different fractals on all tiers unless I want todo them real quick.

There is no incentive to do anything else but the fastest/easiest fractals to get your dailies done asap right now and there is also no incentive (other than the one-time achievement, which doesn’t even given you a title or something) to do any of the higher level fractals either.

So yeah, I think it is their fault. It is just bad design.

Therodin.2970:

Someone said they wanted new fractal maps, i just wanted to chime in to say that i don’t think they can really add new fractal maps anymore because of the static schedule. One of the things they talked about with that schedule is how helpful it would be for speedrunners and record keeping but adding any new maps would completely disrupt that entire system. And i honestly think they did that on purpose as an excuse to not have to make any new fractal maps.

It is a matter of redoing the schedule is about all. I don’t see why they couldn’t fit another 1-2 fractals in the rotation. If this is a reason given for not adding fractals then it is an excuse plan and simple. However I’m not convinced they won’t add some. They have said in interviews they would like to add more, especially some former events like Marrionet if they could figure out how to scale it for a group of 5 (that was my all time favorite GW2 event btw).

Invictus.1503:

Therodin.2970:

Someone said they wanted new fractal maps, i just wanted to chime in to say that i don’t think they can really add new fractal maps anymore because of the static schedule. One of the things they talked about with that schedule is how helpful it would be for speedrunners and record keeping but adding any new maps would completely disrupt that entire system. And i honestly think they did that on purpose as an excuse to not have to make any new fractal maps.

It is a matter of redoing the schedule is about all. I don’t see why they couldn’t fit another 1-2 fractals in the rotation. If this is a reason given for not adding fractals then it is an excuse plan and simple. However I’m not convinced they won’t add some. They have said in interviews they would like to add more, especially some former events like Marrionet if they could figure out how to scale it for a group of 5 (that was my all time favorite GW2 event btw).

They could also just give us random fractals back, which would be really great.

NovaanVerdiano.6174:

They could also just give us random fractals back, which would be really great.

That would actually be very bad. Variable times for finishing the different fractals means people can’t commit if they don’t know how much time they have to spend. Regardless if anyone likes it or not, making the fractals we play predictable was a much needed change.

Rising Dusk.2408:

NovaanVerdiano.6174:

They could also just give us random fractals back, which would be really great.

That would actually be very bad. Variable times for finishing the different fractals means people can’t commit if they don’t know how much time they have to spend. Regardless if anyone likes it or not, making the fractals we play predictable was a much needed change.

I’ll be honest, I think both the single island and the fixed fractal changes suck, so does the fact there’s no high level recommended daily and no daily for 76-100. Even with pugs, you could take pretty safe guesses on how long you’re going to spend inside fractals, besides very extreme cases.
It would’ve been much better if they simply reworked the system so that you start off with a short fractal, then get a medium length fractal followed by a long one and finally the boss, which could actually be fixed instead of random.

There are several easy ways to prevent people from playing the same exact fractal difficulties every time. Dailies should instead of being for example, 21-50, a semi-random sampling of maybe 5 from that range, and you need to complete 3 of them to get credit.

Also I hope you guys rethink your instabilities again, seems like they were kind of downgraded with the upodate.

I’m looking forward to improved rewards.

Since the release of HoT, I’ve done all fractal dailies I could access at the time, every day. No exception. I was able to do all 5 from the third day onward. I haven’t had anything useful from those chests at all except for rings of which I had several dozens to begin with.

Oh, and I got a fractal weapon. An axe. An axe that I had already unlocked. At least I could destroy it without typing its name.

Also, well over a thousand fractal encryptions opened, and still no professor title. Maybe I’m just unlucky.

Bring on the fractal rework. And better bring it on next tuesday because the useless loot is getting old.

Rising Dusk.2408:

NovaanVerdiano.6174:

They could also just give us random fractals back, which would be really great.

That would actually be very bad. Variable times for finishing the different fractals means people can’t commit if they don’t know how much time they have to spend. Regardless if anyone likes it or not, making the fractals we play predictable was a much needed change.

It was a much needed change for you.
Fact is, level design will almost always fail with this type of system. It essentially means you have to balance every level against every other level. This also reduces variability in level design, and limits creative design. You start to have to do things like add time gates (unavoidable fights) decrease gains from knowledge etc.

So yeah, it solves making them shorter, but it decreases the life of the content, and decreases the freedom of design.

I think the best solution would have been to have a selectable mode, and a randomized mode with better rewards.

Another option would be another option to play:

• Randomizer:
  • Selects 1 fast 1 medium 1 long 1 boss as target levels.
    • Can be reset once per day
    • this allows you to do peice by peice as you have time, but doesnt allow resets to select chosen fractals.
    • you can choose not to reset, if it takes you more than one day to get it done.
    • has better rewards (needs an incentive, and its going to tend to be harder than other methods)
    • If you beat all 4, you can try again up to 3 times per day
    • You can choose to roll random as a group, so your party all has the same targets.

to make it even more variable, id make the boss fractal have an option to disrupt the fractal, sometimes nothing happens, sometimes the fractal changes slightly, rarely you get warped to special zones with special bosses with nice drops.

regardless, i think for the long term health of fractals, randomization needs to find some way into the system. Its going EXACTLY as people predicted, and fractals are becoming more repetitive, with less of the content seeing playtime(wasted design)
As it stands, even if they make cool new fractals, if its harder than the easiest fractal, no one will ever play it outside of a lark.

Its the old issue of certain dungeon paths being longer and unrewarding. Thus, everyone ran citadel of flame path 1 over and over, much as is happening with Mossman and molten duo here.

Longer fractals need significantly larger rewards to compensate for extra time taken.

I think all the fractal group level achievements should be repeatable achievements with good rewards. Something like this maybe:

Examples:
Casual Fractal Hero (1-20)
-5 pristine relics.
-Choice of 1 uninfused ascended ring.
-1 Ascended salvaging tool (1 use)

Core Fractal Hero (21-50)
-7 pristine relics.
-Choice of 1 infused ascended ring.
-1 Ascended salvaging tool (1 use)

Elite Fractal Veteran (51-75)
-10 pristine relics
-1 Golden Fractal Relic
-Choice of 5 ascended materials (Bolt of damask, Elonian Square, deldrimore steel,spirit wood plank). Choose however you want. All damask, 3 different ones, etc. All your choice.

Elite Fractal Master (76-100)
-15 pristine relics
-3 Golden Fractal Relics
-Your choice of any ascended weapon or armor (regular crafting skin). You choose everything (class/stats/etc).

I did my best to give every tier some relevant things to what players at that level may need. I tried to make the pristine relics amount comparable to how many relics you would get through moderately optimal fractal daily usage. This way players are rewarded for doing the achievements, but don’t feel punished for not doing them.

Notes:
-This would introduce the first non rng method to get ascended gear directly from fractals
-This would introduce the first non rng method to get golden fractal relics.

This wasn’t stickied and I used 100 keys a few days ago. Can I get a refund?

Can we get a confirmation of this is going to actually be released on Tuesday, and if so exactly what will the details for this release be?

Yes, let us please avoid the same situation as the start of December. We need to know if the speculation that the fractal patch is this tuesday or not.

From Colin on Reddit:

“You should see the first round of updates that help with #1 and #3 on your list next week from our new Fractals team.
As for #2 and #4 – those are both things we agree with, and we recently formed a larger fractal team after HoT launch so we can do exactly stuff like that.
Great suggestion thread, I passed it along to the team as well.”

Source The next iteration will not fix fractals

Still no word on mossman exploit fix? :<

No, but we have confirmation that the Patch will be next tuesday and that the fractal team was recently expanded with the intent of addressing the instabilities and adding new fractals. I would consider that post by Colin very welcome by the Fractal Community.

DrEckers.2039:

No, but we have confirmation that the Patch will be next tuesday and that the fractal team was recently expanded with the intent of addressing the instabilities and adding new fractals. I would consider that post by Colin very welcome by the Fractal Community.

I would welcome dungeon polishing. AKA exploit fixes and different rewards on dungeons based on MEDIAN COMPLETION TIME for the PAST 30 DAYS (continuously updating). That would include greater gold, tokens (though a baseline minimum of tokens of some value), %MF for final gear rewards and ascended chests….

Fractals and raids aren’t the only group content. :< If

RubberDougie.2750:

DrEckers.2039:

No, but we have confirmation that the Patch will be next tuesday and that the fractal team was recently expanded with the intent of addressing the instabilities and adding new fractals. I would consider that post by Colin very welcome by the Fractal Community.

I would welcome dungeon polishing. AKA exploit fixes and different rewards on dungeons based on MEDIAN COMPLETION TIME for the PAST 30 DAYS (continuously updating). That would include greater gold, tokens (though a baseline minimum of tokens of some value), %MF for final gear rewards and ascended chests….

Fractals and raids aren’t the only group content. :< If

Sorry to break it to you, but ANet would prefer if dungeons don’t exist at all.