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Posted by: Rising Dusk.2408

Rising Dusk.2408

In case anyone didn’t notice, we are now officially the raid forum. This means we’ll get a lot more developer activity once HoT comes out.

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Paul Ella

Producer

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Posted by: Rising Dusk.2408

Rising Dusk.2408

Yay! I didn’t want to speak for you given how busy you are, but that’s great to hear.

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Posted by: Jerus.4350

Jerus.4350

Any chance we’ll see an answer to the Lupi question? https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/Bug-Lupicus-Necrid-Bolt-hits-at-melee/page/5

Raids are cool and all but… yeah…

And welcome, I’m just genericpesimisticdungeoneer98

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Posted by: Talyn.3295

Talyn.3295

Here goes the neighborhood.

“We have now left Reason and Sanity Junction. Next stop, Looneyville.”

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Posted by: Rising Dusk.2408

Rising Dusk.2408

Any chance we’ll see an answer to the Lupi question? https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/Bug-Lupicus-Necrid-Bolt-hits-at-melee/page/5

Raids are cool and all but… yeah…

And welcome, I’m just genericpesimisticdungeoneer98

For reference, I’ve been talking to a developer via PM about this for months. She promises to update me when/if they get the authorization to talk about it.

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Posted by: deSade.9437

deSade.9437

Soooooo… soo… whatever.
/keeps scanning the trashcan for something to eat

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Posted by: Jerus.4350

Jerus.4350

Any chance we’ll see an answer to the Lupi question? https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/support/bugs/Bug-Lupicus-Necrid-Bolt-hits-at-melee/page/5

Raids are cool and all but… yeah…

And welcome, I’m just genericpesimisticdungeoneer98

For reference, I’ve been talking to a developer via PM about this for months. She promises to update me when/if they get the authorization to talk about it.

So the same answer we saw in that thread >.<

I’m just being salty though, I just want to see them say “yeah we did that, it’s intended, we wanted to make the fight tougher” that’s all, I mean there has to be a reason they did it, or if something broke just say it’s broken and it’ll be addressed eventually. Whatever it is, 6 months to get an answer… 6 months! that’s a bit ridiculous isn’kitten

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Posted by: Wolfey.3407

Wolfey.3407

So, when is Rising going to have his title updated to include Raids ?

Former PvP Forum Specialist
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Posted by: dlonie.6547

dlonie.6547

For reference, I’ve been talking to a developer via PM about this for months. She promises to update me when/if they get the authorization to talk about it.

That is such a horsekitten approach to handling these things. For kitten’s sake, what do they hope to accomplish by letting issues go unacknowledged instead of just letting their players know that they actually care about their game?

What would they have lost by just saying on day one “That’s not right, we’ll fix that once things settle down with HoT” or “Yep, that’s the way we want it. Stock up on energy sigils.”

It makes absolutely zero sense. Why put out the message “we don’t really even care about maintaining this content at all, to the point that we won’t even acknowledge the issue”?

Bah. I don’t really even care about the bug/change/whatever-the-kitten-it-is. I’d just like to see them give a flying kitten.

kitten.

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Posted by: Rising Dusk.2408

Rising Dusk.2408

What would they have lost by just saying on day one “That’s not right, we’ll fix that once things settle down with HoT” or “Yep, that’s the way we want it. Stock up on energy sigils.”

Sorry to stir it up! I presume the only reason they haven’t spoken publicly about it is because they aren’t sure whether they like it better this way or not and want to be able to change their mind about it down the road without hearing “Omg you broke a promise!” from the community. The change was for sure intended, but I have no clue whether it was seen as a bug fix, an exploit fix, an experiment, or what. Hopefully we’ll find out some day soon.

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Posted by: dlonie.6547

dlonie.6547

What would they have lost by just saying on day one “That’s not right, we’ll fix that once things settle down with HoT” or “Yep, that’s the way we want it. Stock up on energy sigils.”

Sorry to stir it up!

No worries, you’re certainly not at fault for any of this!

I presume the only reason they haven’t spoken publicly about it is because they aren’t sure whether they like it better this way or not and want to be able to change their mind about it down the road without hearing “Omg you broke a promise!” from the community. The change was for sure intended, but I have no clue whether it was seen as a bug fix, an exploit fix, an experiment, or what. Hopefully we’ll find out some day soon.

All I’m saying is that, for starters, they could just freakin’ say that. “The change was for sure intended”…you, as a specialist, may be privy to some information that the rest of us don’t have, but here’s what the rest of us know:

- A significant change in Lupi’s behavior came with a patch that drastically increased the difficulty of fighting him in small groups/solo.
- This change was not mentioned in the patch notes.
- A bug report was filed, simply asking ArenaNet to acknowledge the change, and clarify whether it was a intended change that missed the patch notes, or a bug that slipped in with some other backend changes.
- That simple question has still not been answered six months later.
- The only “official” response from any ArenaNet employees on the subject is from a QA lead who is clearly also upset with the lack of reply, and can only say “I wish I could tell you more, but I’d lose my job if I tried to keep you guys in the loop on this.”

And that’s it. That’s all we see. The really sad thing is, that’s more than we’ve seen for other similar problems in the past (e.g. Alphard’s bug — that never even got acknowledged).

I’ve heard the “afraid of making broken promises” line in their defense for years. It’s bull. We’re not even asking for any promises, just trying to get them to acknowledge the issue and clarify whether or not it was an intended change.

And they won’t.

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Posted by: Evapor.6849

Evapor.6849

Haven’t heard from the QA since maybe she did lose her job lmao

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Posted by: Cheezy.2039

Cheezy.2039

Does that mean there will be more moderation to my kittenposting?

A dark age has come for me

Cheezy – Vis Invicta [vC]

The meta is changing at an alarming rate.

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Posted by: Miku Lawrence.6329

Miku Lawrence.6329

A dark age for everyone.

Snow Crows [SC]

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Posted by: rotten.9753

rotten.9753

Maybe the more fitting name would be Fractals & Raids?

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Posted by: GrimmR.3541

GrimmR.3541

h y p e.

toxic since 2012

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Posted by: doddbox.8153

doddbox.8153

Why is it not “Dungeons, Fractals & Raids”
WHY

very special guild tag [tX]

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Posted by: Lord Kuru.3685

Lord Kuru.3685

So the lupi autoattack was intended? You mean they spent time thinking about and working on Lupi’s autoattack when there’s other bosses/dungeons that are in dire need of dev attention? When Lupi is already considered one of the best bosses in the game? Triage much?

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Posted by: Prisoner.2419

Prisoner.2419

I for one welcome our new dank raid meme overlords. Can’t wait for the next half a year of daily ‘raids too hard pls nerf’ and ‘raids aren’t hard pls buff’ and ‘raid rewards suck’ threads.

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Posted by: Horus.9685

Horus.9685

In case anyone didn’t notice, we are now officially the raid forum. This means we’ll get a lot more developer activity once HoT comes out.

Does that make you the Forum Specialist for Dungeons, Fractals & Raids then?

The meta is dead, long live the meta.

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Posted by: Rising Dusk.2408

Rising Dusk.2408

Haven’t heard from the QA since maybe she did lose her job lmao

I certainly hope not! She didn’t even really tell me anything that she shouldn’t have! All I know is that she really wanted to tell us more, but that her hands were tied. I really wish I could give more information, but I’ve been prying on it for awhile. I really just think their official policy is to not acknowledge dungeons except in extreme cases.

Does that make you the Forum Specialist for Dungeons, Fractals & Raids then?

I’m pretty sure that’s the case, but I don’t want to be presumptuous (I mean, I already have been reporting on raids). I’ve reached out to one of my dev contacts on the matter to clarify.

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Posted by: NikeEU.7690

NikeEU.7690

It’s so sad a dev pops in here to say hi in a friendly way and they are deluged with the usual litany of QQ tears and angry accusations and questions about bugs that are blatantly obviously low priorities. For once can a dev post here without the woe-is-me pity party agenda being pushed?

[DnT]::Nike::
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Posted by: RSLongK.8961

RSLongK.8961

Maybe the more fitting name would be Fractals & Raids?

+1

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Posted by: Wuselknusel.4082

Wuselknusel.4082

It’s so sad a dev pops in here to say hi in a friendly way and they are deluged with the usual litany of QQ tears and angry accusations and questions about bugs that are blatantly obviously low priorities. For once can a dev post here without the woe-is-me pity party agenda being pushed?

Hard to believe, but there was a time that this “QQ and angry accusations” got asked nicely and friendly. That time was 6 months ago.

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Posted by: dlonie.6547

dlonie.6547

It’s so sad a dev pops in here to say hi in a friendly way and they are deluged with the usual litany of QQ tears and angry accusations and questions about bugs that are blatantly obviously low priorities. For once can a dev post here without the woe-is-me pity party agenda being pushed?

I apparently missed the woe-is-me posts. What are you referring to? Were some posts deleted?

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Posted by: Zania.8461

Zania.8461

Why is it not “Dungeons, Fractals & Raids”
WHY

Either a forum mod or a developer must like Franklin D. Roosevelt a lot.

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Posted by: thrag.9740

thrag.9740

Here is a list of exploits that should be fixed.

-CM: standing on the wooden plank to kill frost
-CM: air guns to one shot wahlen
-Arah: cheese walling lupi
-Arah: jumping the wall to skip half of p4, also works on p3
-Cliffside: cheesing diviner on the rock
-Mai trin: Ellen keil res exploit
-Jade maw: reflect crystal duplication exploit
-Swamp: mossman underwater exploit
-Volcanic growl fractal: stone duplication exploit for first boss

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Posted by: Jerus.4350

Jerus.4350

It’s so sad a dev pops in here to say hi in a friendly way and they are deluged with the usual litany of QQ tears and angry accusations and questions about bugs that are blatantly obviously low priorities. For once can a dev post here without the woe-is-me pity party agenda being pushed?

I apparently missed the woe-is-me posts. What are you referring to? Were some posts deleted?

Shhh, he’s trying to be cool.

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Posted by: Iris Ng.9845

Iris Ng.9845

thrag, stop being nuts and post your bug/exploit report in an appropriate thread and subforum. Spamming the same thing everywhere doesn’t create solutions. It’s annoying.

“Raids are like fortune cookies. You eat the cookie and then read the paper scraps.”

- doranduck, 2016 on Lore in Raids

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Posted by: Iris Ng.9845

Iris Ng.9845

It’s so sad a dev pops in here to say hi in a friendly way and they are deluged with the usual litany of QQ tears and angry accusations and questions about bugs that are blatantly obviously low priorities. For once can a dev post here without the woe-is-me pity party agenda being pushed?

I apparently missed the woe-is-me posts. What are you referring to? Were some posts deleted?

Shhh, he’s trying to be cool.

Apparently I also happen to see a lot of people are forming an angry mob to attack a poor dev who just wants to open a communication. He’s probably passionate enough to try to appease the crowd but I doubt it he would have been still excited to talk about what he has been working on. If anything, I love to hear tidbits about the new content. I want to be hyped up, I want something to look forward to. I don’t want all this excitement to get buried in aggressive argument loop about some age-old contents that are obviously informed to be of low priorities. Stop, please! Do all of you seriously religiously play 26 paths of dungeons and 4 fractal dailies every day and keep doing so until after HoT releases? Think again. What do you really look forward to? Something new to play or someone (new) to blame because you don’t have anything else better to do.

Again, I want to see more red posts. I want to see more positive discussion that ends in a happy note. I want to see less accusation, less knee-jerk reactions and insults (similar to this one - Holy batman, it’s so immature that it’s painful to read!). Even if I don’t have any meaningful things to post, I want to take comfort in reading other posters’ opinions. Please, please, it’s my selfish request to ask you guys as a posting community in this sub-forum to make my wish happen.

tl;dr – less salt, more cookie.

Disclaimer: Posters are not obligated to act maturely and talk nice per requests of some no-body.

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- doranduck, 2016 on Lore in Raids

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Posted by: Jerus.4350

Jerus.4350

Wish I could help ya Iris, I wish I wasn’t so salty. I want to just be happy with things, but they’ve done a great job of creating this environment, who am I to ruin it for them?

Though I will say… all I did was ask a 6 month old unanswered question…

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Posted by: Rising Dusk.2408

Rising Dusk.2408

Though I will say… all I did was ask a 6 month old unanswered question…

…in an entirely unrelated thread. Maybe we should keep feedback on a 6 month old unanswered question in topics dedicated to that question.

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Posted by: Iris Ng.9845

Iris Ng.9845

Though I will say… all I did was ask a 6 month old unanswered question…

…in an entirely unrelated thread. Maybe we should keep feedback on a 6 month old unanswered question in topics dedicated to that question.

I agree.

“Raids are like fortune cookies. You eat the cookie and then read the paper scraps.”

- doranduck, 2016 on Lore in Raids

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Posted by: dlonie.6547

dlonie.6547

It’s so sad a dev pops in here to say hi in a friendly way and they are deluged with the usual litany of QQ tears and angry accusations and questions about bugs that are blatantly obviously low priorities. For once can a dev post here without the woe-is-me pity party agenda being pushed?

I apparently missed the woe-is-me posts. What are you referring to? Were some posts deleted?

Shhh, he’s trying to be cool.

Apparently I also happen to see a lot of people are forming an angry mob to attack a poor dev who just wants to open a communication. He’s probably passionate enough to try to appease the crowd but I doubt it he would have been still excited to talk about what he has been working on. If anything, I love to hear tidbits about the new content. I want to be hyped up, I want something to look forward to. I don’t want all this excitement to get buried in aggressive argument loop about some age-old contents that are obviously informed to be of low priorities. Stop, please! Do all of you seriously religiously play 26 paths of dungeons and 4 fractal dailies every day and keep doing so until after HoT releases? Think again. What do you really look forward to? Something new to play or someone (new) to blame because you don’t have anything else better to do.

Again, I want to see more red posts. I want to see more positive discussion that ends in a happy note. I want to see less accusation, less knee-jerk reactions and insults (similar to this one - Holy batman, it’s so immature that it’s painful to read!). Even if I don’t have any meaningful things to post, I want to take comfort in reading other posters’ opinions. Please, please, it’s my selfish request to ask you guys as a posting community in this sub-forum to make my wish happen.

tl;dr – less salt, more cookie.

Disclaimer: Posters are not obligated to act maturely and talk nice per requests of some no-body.

Thanks Iris. I appreciate your views and understand them. I totally agree — jumping on / attacking / insulting devs is not the way respond. I know I let some anger and frustration out last night, but I was careful to refrain from insults and attacks. Rather, my goal was to provide feedback:

The lack of support and restrictive policies that prevent ArenaNet employees from, for example, even addressing changes that are missing from the patch notes is a significant problem. It fosters the “ArenaNet is out of touch with its players” and “ArenaNet doesn’t care about maintaining its content” perceptions. We hear them say “We are passionate about this game and want to provide a quality experience” while completely ignoring existing issues with content.

To me, the “obviously low-priority” bug(?) with Lupi’s auto attack isn’t even a major issue in and of itself — it just exemplifies this problem so well. I honestly find the fact that they are unable to clarify whether or not a change was intended as unacceptable. It’s basic support, and refusing it projects a very negative image of ArenaNet as a company — not to mention that it takes away from the hype of the new content that is coming.

What I see in this thread is not hostile attacks and insults, but rather a group of players who are passionate about this game saying “These are our concerns.” We’ve seen repeated problems in the past regarding content production, maintenance, and support, and we don’t want to see history repeat itself with Raids.

While I can see how you and Nike might reach a different conclusion, concerned feedback is very different from insults, attacks, and “QQ woe-is-me pity parties”, even when expressed with frustration. Reviewing the thread, I can’t find any posts that strike me as attacks or “pity-parties”. I see concerned players warning ArenaNet that we don’t have much patience left to put up with “more of the same”, and that their support philosophies need to change if they truly want Raids to succeed. I don’t see anything unreasonable about that — it’s relevant feedback that they should take into account as they plan the future of the game.

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Posted by: RSLongK.8961

RSLongK.8961

thanks dlonie for the eloquent words o/
edit: someone wrote better what i was about to say ^

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Posted by: Jerus.4350

Jerus.4350

bravo dlonie, so well put. Thanks.

I truly don’t want to be that pessimistic kitten, but god, how can I not be when answering a simple question on whether or not a change to a mechanic is intended or not… and not only no answer, but 6 months of silence. We even have a QA employee shrugging their shoulder stating they’re trying… and what is our response? “thank you but please don’t get yourself fired” I mean holy hell, we’re worried she’s going to be fired for simply talking to us. What absurd stuff is that.

If they want to get me hyped it’d start with addressing these policies. It’d start with simply answering that Lupi question. It’d start with communication.

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Posted by: Iris Ng.9845

Iris Ng.9845

The insults and attacks are not local in a single thread. If I read across all the new threads, the heavy atmosphere is suffocating.

“Raids are like fortune cookies. You eat the cookie and then read the paper scraps.”

- doranduck, 2016 on Lore in Raids

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SlyDevil.3952

So the question is, “How much dps does Byron do on necro?”.

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Posted by: Iris Ng.9845

Iris Ng.9845

Can Paul or Bobby pass the mic to Byron?

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Posted by: dlonie.6547

dlonie.6547

We even have a QA employee shrugging their shoulder stating they’re trying… and what is our response? “thank you but please don’t get yourself fired” I mean holy hell, we’re worried she’s going to be fired for simply talking to us. What absurd stuff is that.

Hell, she flat out said that if she told us what was going on with the issue she’d lose her job. Just for saying “We meant to do it” or “It was a bug”.

ArenaNet folks who may be following along, please ask yourselves:

- Does that sound healthy to you?
- Would you, as a player, have much faith in seeing things improve when communication is still so obviously broken after years of this happening?

The list of dungeon bugs is long and they’re rarely fixed. Most of those issues have existed since launch. And you guys can’t even talk about the current state of existing content without fearing for your jobs.

Like Jerus, I hate being this pessimistic over the future of this game I love so much. But considering the above, it’s hard to have hope for Raids when we’ve seen such a systematic lack of concern for instanced PvE ongoing years.

And if these topic “aren’t relevant” to the future of instanced PvE in this game, please let me know — what would be?

If they want to get me hyped it’d start with addressing these policies. It’d start with simply answering that Lupi question. It’d start with communication.

+1
I know there are a lot of devs who, like Lauren, really want to bring us into the loop and feed our passion for the game by keeping us informed about the basics. I sincerely hope that someday they are able to.

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So the question is, “How much dps does Byron do on necro?”.

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Quickfoot Katana.8642

Lauren is getting my +1 for life as an Anet employee. We dont even know if she was fired for standing up for us

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Posted by: dlonie.6547

dlonie.6547

Lauren is getting my +1 for life as an Anet employee. We dont even know if she was fired for standing up for us

Nah, she’s still there: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kamieniecki

She still pops into that thread from time to time. Her posts have been refreshing, for sure!

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Posted by: Evapor.6849

Evapor.6849

The list of dungeon bugs is long and ever growing

FTFY

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Posted by: Chaos.5072

Chaos.5072

Is Crystal Reid the new Robert Hrouda?

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Posted by: dlonie.6547

dlonie.6547

Well, I believe she’s known as Crystal RAID on reddit, so I think so

(pssst…we could know for sure)

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Posted by: RSLongK.8961

RSLongK.8961

The hype train never stops cho-cho!

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Posted by: RSLongK.8961

RSLongK.8961

Neither the forum bug.

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