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Rytlock will kill Adelbern for you. I ended up DC’ing in this instance before Adelbern died, but Rytlock had gotten him down to 80% HP without taking any damage. Funniest thing I’d ever seen in this game xD
Your Rytlock is much op. Mine is a loser.
He could have literally swung his kitten sword a single time to finish that silver mob (see the screen). He went AFK though and so did Eir.
(Don’t ask how I managed to die there, I don’t recall it myself.)
Edit: To not be completely off topic, I will share this recent story with you. I was pugging fractals, low level for daily. I got pretty decent group, 3 guys from a single guild and 1 guard from another one. As we got to a second map (hammer), I started paying more attention to how the guys were doing. Apparently, the guard was the only one using proper food (others had magic find, yaaaay) and he was doing very well, so I was glad we got him there. After a short while (for no reason, everything was going as usual) he left (but I suspect he was rather insta-kicked) to make place for another person from their guild – a ranger, who joined almost instantly. I was kinda afraid when I saw his 3 signets, but I decided to give him some time, he still might have had his PvE roaming set. Well… when he caught up with us, I had the pleasure to see his mighty bear. And spotter was obviously non-present. His terrible build wasn’t compensated by good play or knowing the encounters either, because when we arrived at Archdiviner and stacked to kill the trash mobs, he YOLOed out and aggroed him prematurely. Since the rest of the group was decent, I took my chances and finished the run with them (I was lazy to find another group), but I was constantly afraid of being kicked to make space for another kitten fullsignet bearbow. I mean… who does that? They had perfect guard who made no mistake throughout the whole run a took that scrub in his place. I wouldn’t do that even for a guildie, I would actually instantly kick him to make space for a pug, even the most terrible ones are usually better than this.
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Cloud of Sparrows [CoS]
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Serah Mahariel – Death and Taxes
Yesterday I saw a “lvl 49 Volcanic boss, need a miracle”. There were 4 guardians in that group
I guess someone might have a legendary with no ascended…
BTW I had 2 legendaries (twilight + kudzu) before I did have any ascended gear (excluding full jewelry).
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Yesterday we only had 3 people and were pugging the last two spots for a short tour. When we got to CM we started p1, thief did the basement, listed the lfg, and were waiting outside the barn before Morgan.
An ele with 5 digits worth of AP joined and entered, and promptly died somehow. Turns out they wandered into the basement, and then proceeded to kitten us out royally for not specifically telling them that none of the mobs were dead and the basement wasn’t cleared. I dc’ed shortly after that so I lost the party chat and the hilarious whispers that ensued.
If only this game had minimaps with giant red circles and dungeon event dialogues on screen…
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- “No tears, please. It’s a waste of good suffering.”
I’m back from a six-month break and for the most part dungeons/fractals are the same. However, I’ve been keeping track of differences in the (apparent) meta by the number of times I get stealth-kicked from groups.
Champ Icebrood in HotW: always a straight-forward melee. Some downs on weak pugs, but just a speed bump. Still is, but apparently the meta is terrified of him now. As warrior, didn’t have my ranged gear and was stuck in combat. Took me by surprise, and I tried to get out of combat to swap. I was down in the boss area, away from combat, waiting to swap. Stealth booted, because P1 is serious business now.
Couple fractals stories. Just today, 38, at swamp. Ranger. Popped in as a 5th, team is waiting at the water fork. Rushing to get there, changing skills. Finally ready. Mossman. Join group in water. “Um, are you taking that signet?” Considering, like most people, I never do water combat, I like speed. Not expecting water fight. A bit dazed,, apparently I took 10 seconds too long to answer. /kick before I could even reply.
Jumped into next group; Mossman again. Honestly, I’ve done a weird glitch where he gets stuck in water (party fights on ground), but never seen it work with party in water (why? just why?). Group decides to run him “legit”. Shockingly, we weren’t a terrible group and so we had no trouble.
On a lighter note, the other day, waiting on a 5th in swamp, needed a guard. Mesmer pops in: “I have reflects like a guard =)” Someone else: “and Aegis?” /kicked. Honestly, I had to give them credit for trying
On a lighter note, the other day, waiting on a 5th in swamp, needed a guard. Mesmer pops in: “I have reflects like a guard =)” Someone else: “and Aegis?” /kicked. Honestly, I had to give them credit for trying
The poor mesmer just wanted to fit in
On topic: I remember joining a group at tar in arah 1 a while ago, who must’ve been tired of waiting for decent players because their LFG said
“arah 1 zerk only at tar, 3 tries to make the run or kick”
the players did, in fact, count aloud the number of attempts each later pug took, and would kick when the pug got to 3, I wasn’t sure whether to feel amused or sorry for them.
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- “No tears, please. It’s a waste of good suffering.”
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So, this just happened!
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I’m red, grey was the last one remaining and white were the ones who just left!
LFG’s for gear check on guard, gets a perfect full zerk one and then they instantly all leave. Either I’m too perfect for their LFG, or I have some enemies I never heard about XD
I remember a time in gaming when everyone was relieved to get that last needed class in the group.
But really, gear-checking tells me how I can expect to be treated in a pug; instant ignore for me 
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“Raids are like fortune cookies. You eat the cookie and then read the paper scraps.”
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I can’t even.
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This is probably my lfg lol.
I always do it like this:
READ: Gearcheck – 1x phalanx war, 2x dps ele, 1x guard – metazerk + food, exp pplz – x path
(Classes change depending on dungeon and amount of friends/guildies tagging along).
You might laugh but it’s actually the most efficent way to find PUGs from my experience.
Playing as a ranger myself, filters out all those unexperienced “all warrior elitist wannabe mlg pros” and gearcheck filters out anyone who wants to get carried.
The way my LFG is written usually attracts people with ~15k AP in the average (based on doing it the same way for past few months), 9/10 times, people actually know what to do and 5/10 times, we do a full dungeon tour – for example, just today, we did a dungeon tour in under 2 hours (AC123, SE13, COE123, COF1, TAupfw) with everyone being a complete stranger to one another.
Not to mention that 7-8/10 times people who join are fully ascended which is individually 7.48% damage boost but in a party full of ascendeds, that’s 37.4% damage boost which is always welcome!
I don’t mind waiting up to 15 minutes (even tho it’s usually ~5min wait) if the dungeon goes smoothly. I enjoy doing dungeons with people that make them enjoyable rather than struggling on basics, even though due to the waiting time, some less “elitist” (bad word but can’t find better one) PUGs can do it faster overall (Wait time + dungeon time).
Anyways, back to the point of OP;
LFGs I find funny the most:
Metazerk full exp ppl only War/Ele/Thief/Guard – more than 1 warrior on 1 team
Full zerk exp ppl only!!!! 7.5k AP+! (No ranger/necro) – 3 warriors on 1 team
There are few similar ones but they all carry the same point.
Here’s my message to you if you do the LFG-of-above-type:
Your argument of being experienced fails the moment you run more than 1 warrior in your party. Same goes for when you do the No ranger part – it’s simple, if you think warrior is good for your DPS, you’re more than wrong and hopefully, my blocklist will keep you away from me.
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Not to mention that 7-8/10 times people who join are fully ascended which is individually 7.48% damage boost but in a party full of ascendeds, that’s 37.4% damage boost which is always welcome!
this isnt how 2 math..
JQ: Rikkity
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Well, last time I managed to avoid 2+ warriors in a PuG group was… probably never. Nonetheless, as long as everyone plays well and knows the stuff, I don’t mind the group being suboptimal. Recently I’ve had a PuG FotM run with 3 wars and 2 eles, I was kinda afraid and ready to leave, but actually the run ended up being decently smooth (for PuGs).
klemen.8439: If I pass over the maths fail, I really hope you don’t consider yourself an experienced player. You complain about 2 warriors in a party being suboptimal, yet you bring a ranger to META parties yourslef? Meh, I’d like to see where giving up thief to make room for ranger can make DPSing bosses or skipping mobs (which is pretty much only thing you do in dungeons) go any smoother.
Well, last time I managed to avoid 2+ warriors in a PuG group was… probably never.
klemen.8439: If I pass over the maths fail, I really hope you don’t consider yourself an experienced player. You complain about 2 warriors in a party being suboptimal, yet you bring a ranger to META parties yourslef? Meh, I’d like to see where giving up thief to make room for ranger can make DPSing bosses or skipping mobs (which is pretty much only thing you do in dungeons) go any smoother.
I’m not saying running multiple warriors is necessarily bad but it’s far from optimal.
First of, I don’t see where my math failed, if you want to, feel free to correct me but as far as I know – pure stat wise, when comparing full exotic vs full ascended, you’ll end up with chart I’ll add up as attachment.
Weapon damage excluded, you end up with 3.47% difference between the two sets and with weapon damage included, you add up 5.01% which leaves you with 8.48% and yes now I see where I failed :p basics … I was typing at 1:30 am.
Anyways, a thief might have more DPS on bosses where you can actually use it properly.
For example, in AC, you’ll rarely be able to do a full backstab+hs spam rotation properly due to bosses dieing too quickly. This is where ranger comes into play as a class that does most damage with conjure weapons ex. icebow. You precast lb5, 25% dmg boost signet and QZ, wait for boss spawn, cast LB2 to get vuln. stacks to 25 (along with other players) and then cast IB4. Just an example of how much damage IB4 deals: In CoE, I hit 10k on the average with 1 icebow projectile where as warrior for example hits 6-7k.
Another reason why ranger is good for parties is Spotter. If you’re running phalanx warrior which I prefer in PUGs since it’s far easier to stack and keep 25 might with and requires far less coordination, skill and time, a spotter gives him just enough precision so he can swap to power signet for more damage – this a thief can’t do.
As far as skipping goes in dungeons, a thief is only necessary for pugs in Arah and CM.
I don’t do CM cos I’m a Norn player and I get nervous when camera is clipping all the time.
Arah is optimal to go with thief, yes. It can do more damage due to bosses lasting just long enough to do a proper backstab+hs rotation and as always, stealth is welcome.
It is something I do know and I just roll a setup of 1 guard, 1 ele, 1 thief, 1 war and 1 ranger.
Since the last patch rangers and their pets are a broken mess, so I try to avoid them as much as possible, especially in dungeons with lots of stealthing sections (CoF P3, TA, CM, Arah, …).
Rangers are only broken mess on reddit. An experienced ranger will know how to control it’s pet, even remove it or stealth it to avoid any trouble. I never had any problems caused by pet, ever.
The only place where pet is a real liability is in CoE p2 grass boss because you can’t control robots normally.
However, there’s a very simple workaround: let 4 people do it and you wait back in the lobby.
Having 5 people doing the robots is pointless anyways since only 4 spawn. All you’d do is cause unnecessary agro to them.
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I don’t question the percentage you calculated. I haven’t checked the numbers precisely, but 7-8 percent seem about right. The problem is you concluded the boost for the whole party is 5*7,48 = 37,4%. If exotic→ascended boosts your personal DPS by 7,5 percent, then you wearing it will have the whole group do 1,5% more damage overall (that is assuming every member has the same DPS, which is not true → just simplifying). And if everyone is wearing ascended, the group as a whole will get that 7,5% boost. Not five times that.
As for the ranger vs thief problem, I would always choose thief. Rangers don’t have shorter rotations than thieves, both of them can usually execute the important attacks before the boss dies. Also, since thief has naturally more DPS, it will do more damage with conjures.
The skipping part plays an important role in coordinated runs as well, most strategies rely on not aggroing mobs and saving significant amount of time. These are not necessary by any means (you can complete the dungeon anyway), but saving time is what all of us aim for.
I have nothing against rangers. I like them and when they play well, they do decent damage as well as party buffing. I do casual runs with rangers regularly, but I was just pointing out that in optimized group ranger is probably as good as a second war (maybe a tiny bit more). You still tend to see 1 war 1 thief 2 eles 1 guard in most speedruns and there’s a good reason.
I don’t question the percentage you calculated. I haven’t checked the numbers precisely, but 7-8 percent seem about right. The problem is you concluded the boost for the whole party is 5*7,48 = 37,4%. If exotic->ascended boosts your personal DPS by 7,5 percent, then you wearing it will have the whole group do 1,5% more damage overall (that is assuming every member has the same DPS, which is not true -> just simplifying). And if everyone is wearing ascended, the group as a whole will get that 7,5% boost. Not five times that.
As for the ranger vs thief problem, I would always choose thief. Rangers don’t have shorter rotations than thieves, both of them can usually execute the important attacks before the boss dies. Also, since thief has naturally more DPS, it will do more damage with conjures.
The skipping part plays an important role in coordinated runs as well, most strategies rely on not aggroing mobs and saving significant amount of time. These are not necessary by any means (you can complete the dungeon anyway), but saving time is what all of us aim for.
I have nothing against rangers. I like them and when they play well, they do decent damage as well as party buffing. I do casual runs with rangers regularly, but I was just pointing out that in optimized group ranger is probably as good as a second war (maybe a tiny bit more
Good that we got few things straight
I’ll admit that I was mistaken with the math, sorry about that … Never was my fav. class, although the percentages are right and you can double check.
I just think you understand me wrong. I’m not saying ranger is better than thief, I’m saying that in few situations, for ex. AC where there’s practically no mob skipping, ranger can be just as effective if not more on specific fights (From my own experience, I’ve never ticked 10k hits on icebow with thief, where as with ranger I have).
As for party DPS, highest party DPS is with 1 war, 2 ele, 1 thief and 1 ranger. I’m not saying this to justify anything, I’m just trying to prove your assumptions about me being “inexperienced” because I choose ranger over thief in specific situations, wrong.
Like I mentioned previously, me playing as a ranger plays a HUGE role in filtering out newbies and wannabe experienced players from joining my LFGs. I know for certain that the moment I’ll roll guard, war or ele, my party will fill up in an instant, mostly by ~5k AP players, which I don’t mind if experienced but they usually aren’t.
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