Your thoughts on "Skipping".
Take Stick
Find Dead Horse
Beat Dead Horse with Stick.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Dungeon-Forum-FAQ/page/2#post3629635
^^ that should answer all your questions.
We get this thread almost daily in the dungeon forum.
Maybe unlike most people, I don’t come from a long background of MMOs, so maybe my opinion is the minority? But, as I posted else where, I think the flexibility to skip or traverse areas of the dungeon and not being linearly locked down to a set path, is a good thing. The freedom to choose is good imo. Zerging in the corner is a bit more efficient, but it doesn’t mean you as a player don’t have options to not do it that way.
Maybe unlike most people, I don’t come from a long background of MMOs, so maybe my opinion is the minority? But, as I posted else where, I think the flexibility to skip or traverse areas of the dungeon and not being linearly locked down to a set path, is a good thing. The freedom to choose is good imo. Zerging in the corner is a bit more efficient, but it doesn’t mean you as a player don’t have options to not do it that way.
This so much.
And all who stood by and did nothing, who are they to criticize the sacrifices of others?
Our blood has bought their lives.
I personally prefer slaughtering everything in my path, but because the rewards for doing so is not really worth it for the time taken, most players simply skip mobs and just fight only the crucial encounters.
I’d like to see the game adjusted so that people can still skip if they want (time = more important), but if they fight their way through, they get much better loot (rewards = more important).
I’d like to see the game adjusted so that people can still skip if they want (time = more important), but if they fight their way through, they get much better loot (rewards = more important).
Skipping wouldn’t be a thing if there were better rewards to the game.
I skip whatever is conventionally skippable because I will get the same reward whether I do it or not.
If there was a reward different between skipping and not skipping, I would prefer not to skip.
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Like the FAQ says, people generally don’t skip mobs that give sufficient rewards (trash destroyers in CoE are the main example). If ANet went and updated loot tables like this everywhere, you’d see much, much less skipping (but potentially more farming, which is another thing ANet wants to avoid, and what got us into the situation we have now).
People have learned them inside out and now they skip most of the non-champion or non-event-related mobs to go directly to the bosses and finish the dungeon run as fast as possible.
Having played other MMOs, I must say that I feel weird skipping most of the content in the dungeons and zerging all the bosses in a corner. It doesn’t seem like we play the game as intended…
On the other hand, with most of the enemies and bosses relying on being HP buckets, I feel that we don’t have any other option, as otherwise they would take to long to finish.In WoW for example you can’t de-agroo when inside an instance unless you use specific de-agroing skills that few classes had.
What do you people think?
Is skipping wrong?
Should A-net design the existing dungeons to be as fast without skipping, or leave them as they are?
Fortunately this isn’t the majority view. Even more fortunately, skipping has about a 9 year precedent set waaaaaaaay back in early GW1. If you like killing trash maybe you should try diablo 3. I hear people love killing trash in that game. And just FYI, this game revolves around the concept of “stacking” with boon sharing and blast finishers being such short range.
It would be nightmarish to clear out all those elite bandits in the final stretch of trash skip to end boss in CM P1 and P3. There’s DOZENS of them.
That and basically all paths of Arah are designed with the intention that you utilize stealth, reflects, movement skills or whatever at your disposal to survive to the end. In other words, you’re meant to be sneaking around and trying to survive. It doesn’t mean you can’t kill everything if you feel like it but what’s so bad about it?
I find the idea of running for my life to survive to the end from hordes of enemies and traps more fitting when thinking of a dungeon on a game that I’m playing. While this description is obviously exaggerated as the experiences aren’t difficult aside from perhaps the first time… you get my point.
From what i remember, frodo didn t walk straight into mordor Killing all the orcs…
A PvE player is supposed to avoid a 1-2 second 1 shotting aoe.
A WWW player is considered uncapable of avoiding a 5,75 second aoe for half his health.
Thats just tactical evading to enhance the time-reward ratio. Skipping is so 2013.
I dont always kill everything in my path
But when I do it is because I made an lfg describing what I wanted.
Take Stick
Find Dead Horse
Beat Dead Horse with Stick.
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If you don’t like skipping and stacking look at the Aetherblade Path of TA. Check out how often that is done (includes everything people ever wanted)
People have learned them inside out and now they skip most of the non-champion or non-event-related mobs to go directly to the bosses and finish the dungeon run as fast as possible.
Having played other MMOs, I must say that I feel weird skipping most of the content in the dungeons and zerging all the bosses in a corner. It doesn’t seem like we play the game as intended…
On the other hand, with most of the enemies and bosses relying on being HP buckets, I feel that we don’t have any other option, as otherwise they would take to long to finish.In WoW for example you can’t de-agroo when inside an instance unless you use specific de-agroing skills that few classes had.
What do you people think?
Is skipping wrong?
Should A-net design the existing dungeons to be as fast without skipping, or leave them as they are?
EQ was the same. And the only differences were in how we exploited the mechanics, not whether or not we did.
GW2 we rush the boss and tether any agro.
EQ we pulled the boss and killed him at the entrance.
Same thing different place. In fact in EQ it was even crazier as I could do things like pull collosus Rumbles to the entrance. So by the time the people joined from LFG I’d have rumbles close to the entrance for when they popped in. That’s the kind of stuff we were able to do there.
Yes making some changes could prevent the tether exploits, but all it’d really do is kitten off a bunch of people while the others started looking for a way to exploit the new system.
It’s a bunch fo AI and programmed mechanics, we’ll always figure out how to manipulate and exploit them.
If you don’t like skipping and stacking look at the Aetherblade Path of TA. Check out how often that is done (includes everything people ever wanted)
Skipping and stacking in TA Aether don’t exist.
- Skipping the blossoms at the start (stealth)
- Skipping all the mobs to run to the end of the room, stacking behind a mushroom to LoS
- Skipping mobs after the ooze puzzle to stack behind a rock
- Stacking on Slikk after Sparki dies
- Skipping all mobs (stealth) to go straight to the generator, stacking behind it to kill holos
- Running to the next room > stacking behind a generator again > stacking behind the next one
- When the 3rd generator is destroyed, stealthing immediately to skip the next group of mobs
- Stacking behind a pipe to FGS kill Foreman Spur
- Stacking behind another pipe to kill the veterans
- Stacking in a corner to kill mobs after the electric floor puzzle
- Stacking on platforms in the 8 generator room
- Stacking behind a destroyed generator to LoS the endboss.
You’re welcome.
Edit: Typos.
(edited by noobgood.8762)
If you don’t like skipping and stacking look at the Aetherblade Path of TA. Check out how often that is done (includes everything people ever wanted)
Skipping and stacking in TA Aether don’t exist.
- Skipping the blossoms at the start (stealth)
- Skipping all the mobs to run to the end of the room, stacking behind a mushroom to LoS
- Skipping mobs after the ooze puzzle to stack behind a rock
- Stacking on Slikk after Sparki dies
- Skipping all mobs (stealth) to go straight to the generator, stacking behind it to kill holos
- Running to the next room > stacking behind a generator again > stacking behind the next one
- When the 3rd generator is destroyed, stealthing immediately to skip the next group of mobs
- Stacking behind a pipe to FGS kill Foreman Spur
- Stacking behind another pipe to kill the veterans
- Stacking in a corner to kill mobs after the electric floor puzzle
- Stacking on platforms in the 8 generator room
- Stacking behind a destroyed generator to LoS the endboss.You’re welcome.
Edit: Typos.
Do you actually do that dungeon path?
Ugh.
Yep, it can be really easy with the right tactics, gives 2,5g and has a chance for a 300+g skin
Weeeeell…. ok
but… but unskippable cutscenes and lengthhh…! q.q
Nvm, still love you.
If you don’t like skipping and stacking look at the Aetherblade Path of TA. Check out how often that is done (includes everything people ever wanted)
Skipping and stacking in TA Aether don’t exist.
- Skipping the blossoms at the start (stealth)
- Skipping all the mobs to run to the end of the room, stacking behind a mushroom to LoS
- Skipping mobs after the ooze puzzle to stack behind a rock
- Stacking on Slikk after Sparki dies
- Skipping all mobs (stealth) to go straight to the generator, stacking behind it to kill holos
- Running to the next room > stacking behind a generator again > stacking behind the next one
- When the 3rd generator is destroyed, stealthing immediately to skip the next group of mobs
- Stacking behind a pipe to FGS kill Foreman Spur
- Stacking behind another pipe to kill the veterans
- Stacking in a corner to kill mobs after the electric floor puzzle
- Stacking on platforms in the 8 generator room
- Stacking behind a destroyed generator to LoS the endboss.You’re welcome.
Edit: Typos.
What are melees suppose to do? Melee dps at 900? lol what
If you are saying staying near a boss is stacking then iono what to say. What’d you expect to do just like range face roll keyboard at 1200 range :/
Remind me again how skipping blossoms is skipping as defined by most people who are against skipping here. Remind me again how it is skipping when you have to kill mobs anyways. TA Aether vs say AC p1-3 skips.
What are people suppose to do with holos. 1200 range and hope it hits the generator lol.
Tell me then why the path isn’t done much?
As for FGS I’m sure most pugs don’t even have the skill or builds to do that. Also, have you seen pug thieves, like asking them to stealth is like asking them to run dps and know how to dodge.
I think I have the best suggestion. Everyone should run LB+SB ranger or LB+Rifle warrior cause man if you stand next to a boss to dps with axe that is stacking (omg exploit?).
Also, have you seen pug thieves, like asking them to stealth is like asking them to run dps and know how to dodge.
Truth hurts … :’)
Since you brought up other MMORPGs. I played a large number of those myself. And in most cases, yes, you couldn’t skip most of the trash. But after you were familiar with the dungeon and itemization struck in in most of those games is was customary to just pull the trashmobs into a ball and AoE nuke them to kingdom come. Very often using LoS and similar simple methods to do multiple groups at once.
In addition you could brute force a lot of the bosses if your setup was right.
GW2 doesn’t have that kind of item spiral, but is has active defenses to offset that. In addition the defensive build and gear options of the existing gear in gw2 very often allow to do something similar without even having to bother overly much with active defense.
Skipping and what I described above from other MMORPGs are simply the next step if content moves from new to farm status.
you may keep them to rear new and interesting variants in your basement.
What are melees suppose to do? Melee dps at 900? lol what
Not sure what you mean there
If you are saying staying near a boss is stacking then iono what to say. What’d you expect to do just like range face roll keyboard at 1200 range :/
I meant stacking like positioning everyone in the same spot, which is the best tactic you can use against that boss… By the way, ranged does not only deal less dps against Slikk, it also requires more coordination – like people running/dodging into the same direction or stopping at the same time to res someone. I can’t see how it’s “face roll”.
Remind me again how skipping blossoms is skipping as defined by most people who are against skipping here. Remind me again how it is skipping when you have to kill mobs anyways. TA Aether vs say AC p1-3 skips.
Running past something = skipping, isn’t lt? Even if most of them have to be killed later, you still skip them first.
What are people suppose to do with holos. 1200 range and hope it hits the generator lol.
Area denial, blinds, blocks, protection/weakness, invulnerability, evades.
Tell me then why the path isn’t done much?
It requires thinking, proper skill usage and timing. What do you expect from people who never change their utilites, traits and weapons and use their wvw gear in dungeons?
As for FGS I’m sure most pugs don’t even have the skill or builds to do that. Also, have you seen pug thieves, like asking them to stealth is like asking them to run dps and know how to dodge.
And there you answered your own question.
I think I have the best suggestion. Everyone should run LB+SB ranger or LB+Rifle warrior cause man if you stand next to a boss to dps with axe that is stacking (omg exploit?).
That’s perfectly fine as long as everyone does it.
I’ll kill the trash for you if you pay me 1g each.
“Memories are nice, but that’s all they are.”
From what i remember, frodo didn t walk straight into mordor Killing all the orcs…
10/10
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From what i remember, frodo didn t walk straight into mordor Killing all the orcs…
He even skipped a boss – a Nazgul…
Trash mobs in dungeons is imo not worth killing. So skipping is a way to not waste time on nothing since the mobs doesn’t drop anything worthwhile the time.
Trash in Arah is designed to be skipped, not fought. If they wanted trash to be intended to be killed, they’d have either put in doors that only open when a certain area is cleared, or they’d put worthwhile loot on the trash.
From what i remember, frodo didn t walk straight into mordor Killing all the orcs…
Frodo was also a severely underleveled farmer who was wearing single stat Toughness gear and a useless Ascended Ring that drove him crazy.
From what i remember, frodo didn t walk straight into mordor Killing all the orcs…
Frodo was also a severely underleveled farmer who was wearing single stat Toughness gear and a useless Ascended Ring that drove him crazy.
Ascended ring? Bah.
It was perma stealth on equip, except it incurred instant boss aggro.
And all who stood by and did nothing, who are they to criticize the sacrifices of others?
Our blood has bought their lives.
Let’s not forget the most kitten thief in the history of dungeons, the most phenomenal skipper and stealth user: Bilbo. Frodo was a loser compared to him, why does everyone talk about that chimp? The Hobbit rulez…
…He talked to a dragon, for nyancat’s sake!!!!!!!!!
P.S. I’ve been having a hard time watching Lotr since my hysterical dungeon running time in gw2; everytime I look at Legolas pew-pewing with that stupid bow I feel like shouting !!!kitten BEARBOW!!! Let’s not talk about Gimli, which is always stuck in axe and doesn’t do a kitten dps rotation, or Gandalf which spends most of the time autoattacking with staff instead of throwing fireballs everywhere – but he uses line of warding properly, I’ll give him that.
At least Aragorn is a proper melee-dps ranger. Hail the king!
1. pure axe is best DPS and Gimli knows it
2. Gandalf also has MH sword which he used to solo the Balrog of Moria
also, The Hobbit is a terrible set of movies compared to LOTR so much selloutery.
Gandalf is staff/greatsword. Pretty standard pug.
DON’T EVEN TALK ABOUT THAT DISGRACED MOVIE EVER AGAIN.
Or I shall strike you down.
Ugh, what have they done to my favourite book…
That scene in the river with the kegs… oh god that scene. I groaned when I watched it at the cinema and burst out with something like “Oh, please, what is this”. A guy behind me loled harder at my comment than the scene itself.
Legolas jumping on… on… I can’t go any further. Ugh.
And yeah, Gandalf is average at best, eve if he brings good support. Aragorn does the highest dps/buff support while still being able to skip proficiently… and do jumping puzzles way better than Gimli.
A good all-around dungeoneer.
DON’T EVEN TALK ABOUT THAT DISGRACED MOVIE EVER AGAIN.
Or I shall smite you down.
FTFY
Skipping is not wrong, it’s obviously meant as a part of the dungeon itself, if you take for exaple places where mobs endlessly re-spawn (Arah p1 oozes) And if I have to say it all, (Proven also by how many complains and how people hate these, for not being able to do them) they are probably the only and most challenging content one is to learn in this game. (Untill one learns them by heart having to run same paths for almost 2 years, and they become easy as well)
O°v°O
DON’T EVEN TALK ABOUT THAT DISGRACED MOVIE EVER AGAIN.
Or I shall smite you down.FTFY
/facedesk
/casts tome of wrath
DON’T EVEN TALK ABOUT THAT DISGRACED MOVIE EVER AGAIN.
Or I shall strike you down.
Ugh, what have they done to my favourite book…
That scene in the river with the kegs… oh god that scene. I groaned when I watched it at the cinema and burst out with something like “Oh, please, what is this”. A guy behind me loled harder at my comment than the scene itself.
Legolas jumping on… on… I can’t go any further. Ugh.And yeah, Gandalf is average at best, eve if he brings good support. Aragorn does the highest dps/buff support while still being able to skip proficiently… and do jumping puzzles way better than Gimli.
A good all-around dungeoneer.
What movie?
Do you mean The Hobbit: Legolas Doing Flips & Stuff, part 2 of The Hobbit, an Adventure in Action Packed Revulsion?
DON’T EVEN TALK ABOUT THAT DISGRACED MOVIE EVER AGAIN.
Or I shall strike you down.
Ugh, what have they done to my favourite book…
That scene in the river with the kegs… oh god that scene. I groaned when I watched it at the cinema and burst out with something like “Oh, please, what is this”. A guy behind me loled harder at my comment than the scene itself.
Legolas jumping on… on… I can’t go any further. Ugh.And yeah, Gandalf is average at best, eve if he brings good support. Aragorn does the highest dps/buff support while still being able to skip proficiently… and do jumping puzzles way better than Gimli.
A good all-around dungeoneer.What movie?
Do you mean The Hobbit: Legolas Doing Flips & Stuff, part 2 of The Hobbit, an Adventure in Action Packed Revulsion?
Ughhhhh, make it stop!
I can still see it, right in front of my eyes…
nice to see that I’m not the only one with such …disdain… for the movies. I mean I’ll still watch and probably enjoy them, but I would be lying if I said that I wouldn’t come out of the theatre with a nasty aftertaste.
one can only hope now that they stop before making The Quenta Silmarillion: featuring lots of useless added female characters and mindless action scenes! (maybe a sick kitten action chase scene when Morgoth escapes Valinor with the jewels!)