Hi,
After talkin bout this subject briefly in a different part of the forum I was asked to make a suggestion here and throw it into the open for comment.
The issue is griefing through kicking someone out of a party.
First off I want to explain that kicking someone out of a party is almost always going to cause griefing. Cause it is not nice for the person thats being kicked out. TThere is however a reasonable small group of people who misuse the LFG system to find some random players to do a dungeon or some fractals with and think it is perfectly ok to kick those random players at the final stage in order to invite guildmembers/friends in to ‘steal’ the award.
I have heard so far two possible category’s of solutions to the problem. Mostly by people who are recently griefed.
a: Change the kick-voting system. make more votes needed, make it so that at the final boss, partymembers cant be voted off, etc.
I am against this. The reason is that the freedom to play with who you want is also very important. I do not think we should give up any part of that freedom.
b: Support should be more active and track them down. Yes it should, but they have limited possibility’s to do so. They can’t judge what the ‘quality’ of the kicked player was and do not have access to possible outside commincation like TS/VENT.
So what would my solutions be.
A dishonour system with build in name and shame.
This system is based on the believe that in normal situations you don’t kick very easily and as often as the ‘bad guys’ in this issue.
The system is pretty easy. If you kick someone while you or any partymember is in an dungeon or fractal you get an amount of dishonourable points. If you support the vote you also get a (lesser) amount of dishonourable points. Those points are accountwide and have an expire-time (so after a certain amount of time they are taken away again)
Stage 1 – people who kick regular get marked:
after an certain amount of points you actually get a permanent buff that doesnt do anything and that only goes away when you amount of points drop again below the treshhold for that buff. This means when your in a group with people you can always see that the people you are playing with are often kicking people. You are warned and you can talk with them bout the reason they got it (and leave if the story is fishy)
It doesn’t stop here. The buff doesn’t stop you from kicking players and there are also possible other reasons to get the buff.
Stage 2 – people who don’t change their behaviour and keep building up more dishonour points will get a dungeonlock for a full week.
They are welcome to play all other aspects of the game, but they can’t enter dungeons and they can’t join in. Instead they get an error message telling them they are locked out for xhours – yminutes – zseconds.
Important note: The amount of dishonour points and the time it takes for them to dissolve is NOT communicated to us (the players). The devs can actually adjust it if they think that it leaked out and people are misusing this to stretch the system to the limit.
‘Wait!’ I hear you say. ‘I often kick people at the start of the dungeon cause I asked for level 80’s or bezerker gear and they didn’t meet my requirements.’
I am personally not a big fan of elitism in dungeons. But I do udnerstand that some people just want quick and fast runs and want to be able to select others.
a: it is allready somewhat protected cause before someone in the party opens the instance you can kick people as much as you want to.
b: The LFG-system should have a big change if this is going to be implemented. This change is that when you put down an advert you can checkmark to make it a ‘closed advert’. A closed advert means people can’t auto join ormerge parties, but can pm the person who put up the advert. This pm is done through the interface of the LFG system and will sent the class and level off the player automatically with it. After reviewing the person or asking additional questions you can invite them to the party.
So this would be my suggestion to solve the griefing in dungeons
Please give me your opinions. Is it a good one? is it too complicated?? where do you think it could be simplefied?
Arise, opressed of Tyria!