Guild Wars 2

correct me if I’m wrong, this sub-section has seen the last developer-comment 7 months ago by Izzy about magic find. This doesn’t look like Anet cares about dungeons (supposedly the hardest content in the game) any more – seriously: no time for feedback for such a long time??

I don’t mean no disrespect but saying the game is community-oriented and not answering any posts in the dungeon-forums makes it quite difficult to come up with constructive feedback and keep the motivation up. How about an AMA then?

I get that devs are busy and don’t have much time, but imho there should be time enough to reply at least once a month on the most replied thread.

I just had to +1 that post, couldn’t resist.

I lol’ed kitten that post, bright.

+1

(censorship on h a r d word, ok anet. /gonnamakeabugreportthreadwhichwillhavedevresponse)

I lol’ed at that kitten trying to climb that tree. It fell and I had to cuddle it.
I also had to think that dungeoneers aren’t their focus right now. Nope.

Bet they’d be watching this forum like a hawk if Dungeons had given us even a tiny bit of Gems for our troubles. … even if it was only “capped” to a Monthlies per unique path. … that or we just don’t talk enough about kittens, pie, and awful 80’s references.

I always wondered if the devs actually tested the dungeons half the time, to see if it was fun. I’d love to swipe one and jump in a pug run and watch what happens. I think it’d be an eye opening experience for quite a few.

Most of the time, it feels like they don’t.

Relax guys, Anet has a gemstore to run they can’t spend literally any of their time working on/with the only pve endgame content.

bullettohead.9715:

I always wondered if the devs actually tested the dungeons half the time, to see if it was fun. I’d love to swipe one and jump in a pug run and watch what happens. I think it’d be an eye opening experience for quite a few.

Most of the time, it feels like they don’t.

I’m sure they to, but think of it: we players have MUCH more time to play those dungeons… most of us are probably better at those dungeon than most of the developers who build this dungeons (no offense to the Anet-team). Anet works around the clock (not meant literally ^^ ) on GW2 and I’m sure they can’t play the dungeons nearly as much as we do.

Imho they need some hardcore-dungeon testers to set the bar for the explorable modes quite high enough.

That’s how I see it.

Marcus Greythorne.6843:

I’m sure they to, but think of it: we players have MUCH more time to play those dungeons… most of us are probably better at those dungeon than most of the developers who build this dungeons (no offense to the Anet-team). Anet works around the clock (not meant literally ^^ ) on GW2 and I’m sure they can’t play the dungeons nearly as much as we do.

Imho they need some hardcore-dungeon testers to set the bar for the explorable modes quite high enough.

That’s how I see it.

I’d pay 10 gold to every dev on the dungeon team to kill Simin pre-patch, before they made her a total joke. Hell, I’d send them detailed videos showing every single dungeon glitch I know in game, with narrated commentary of where their invisible walls are, how high they are, and how they need to adjust them so that players like me can’t skip around them anymore, if they pulled that off.

I’m pretty sure most of them didn’t even try half the content without their special dev skills that one shot enemies . Where was that live stream of devs playing WvW or something where one of them was spamming a poison field on a gate?

The devs are absolutely terrible at this game, which is the funniest part. They got their kitten kicked in PvP IN CLOSED BETA. Can you imagine? People that had been working on a game for basically, years, were beaten by a bunch of guys who had access to it for a couple of hours. Their opponents still had to figure out everything, yet after round 2 or 3, they beat Anet.

Ninja edit: for those reading about that dev skill, they had plenty of that stuff in GW1. I happen to know a guy that did some naughty stuff at the end of GW1 (start of 2012 I think), where they basically were able to summon up any item that existed on the servers. They summoned up Dhuum’s Scythe for example. And I’m not talking about the Dhuum’s Soul Reaper. I’m talking about people wielding the actual scythe that Dhuum wields. Basically people running around with a 30 foot scythe. There were a lot of funky items like explorer orbs, which were consumables that gave you 100% Cartographer (like world completion in GW1) etc. The devs usually don’t have time to test things properly. They usually test them using their funky dev stuff so that they don’t waste too much time on everything. Just checking if boss mechanics work, then one-shot the boss and move along to the next one.

There were some comments on threads that praised the new AC. When more people replied with something other than praise the threads disappeared somehow.

It does make sense for the devs to avoid arguments on the forums. Perhaps they feel that if they give opinions on dungeons they might only get arguments in return.

well a lot of arguments aren’t coming out of thin air… not saying anything is quite frustrating to the people who want to help with suggestions how to make it better.

most of the time they only response to technical problems.. hack issues etc…

it really feels like after they complted the current game.. they probably moved to another project.. its hard to believe that the same people that made the game.. is the same .. the content after release is really poor..

no dungeon fixes.. no new armors not ..new weapons… interface improvements.. trade improvements.. no new maps… no permanent content.. i see more and more and more people mad at gw2.. its sad.. i still love the game.. but rage.. is going into diablo 3 direction.. the game feels abandoned at some points…. ..

Csele.1647:

the game feels abandoned at some points…. ..

It feels abandoned to me in the dungeon-sector, yes. There are a lot of problems, a lot of threads and a lot of suggestions… and no sign of a dev. I know Robert and his team is probably busy with the living story, but come on… no one else there?

@Bright

Following your logic, every person who developed SC2 should be in the SK scene. After all, they made the game, right?

Chopps.5047:

@Bright

Following your logic, every person who developed SC2 should be in the SK scene. After all, they made the game, right?

No idea what the SK scene is…

But, whatever it was you’re saying, I was just implying that it is sad how bad most of the devs are at their own game.

Anet are possibly the least engaged developers i’ve ever come across. They hardly use their own forums, instead prefering reddit or twitter, and they provide verylittle information or feedback.

They seam not to care about longstanding issues and bugs, and the quantity and quality of content released leads me to question just how many people are working on the game, because it does not seam many unless there is some huge update in the works. I compare gw2 contet to rift in the first year and the difference is massive, and uet i doubt that anet are going to release an ember isle size update anytime soon…

I disagree, Cameirus. They show dedication to the game each time they talk about new stuff and answering in the forums, I just miss them in the dungeons-department. I feel like the focus on living story really hurt this part of the game. They may be working in the background on dungeons, but no word to us leaves people wondering what’s going on. New suggestions come in quite often and having the devs ignoring the dedication of the players by not saying a word like “I like this idea, but there are problems with…” or “this isn’t the way we want to go forward with GW2”… some one-liners like this is just a real pitty.

Anet wants our feedback, but we’re not getting theirs.

I agree that it’s kind of weird how the devs talk about the game outside of the forums. A developer answered some questions to people in the game which was VERY interesting… but why not simply use the forums? I really don’t get it. Stuff which is this heavy dungeon-related should be mentioned in the dungeon-forums imho.

Here’s what he said (dungeon-related stuff highlighted):

(Q:) Will we ever be able to go to Cantha?
(A:) (Paraphrasing) Cantha is definitely not cut from the game, you will just have to wait and see.

(Q:) Will we be getting more dungeons?
(A:) We will be continuing to work on our dungeons.

(Q:) (Follow-up) Old ones…or new ones?
(A:) Both!

(Q:) Will we ever see anything like raiding?
(A:) Our answer to raiding may very well be in the works!

(Q:) Is there anything being done to get people to want to spend time in their respective capital cities?
(A:) Yes.

(Q:) How is the LFG coming along?
(A:) Coming along great. We’re sorry for not putting it in sooner, but there aren’t enough hours in the day.

(Q:) (In whisper) Can you say anything at all about raid style content?
(A:) It is something I am very excited about and will be unique to GW2

(Cap of the exchange from above.) http://i.imgur.com/ExzO5dg.jpg

(Q:) What are your day to day duties?
(A:) (Too long, but, here is a cap of the answer:) http://i.imgur.com/WrOaCRb.jpg

(Snowcrash saying he was lead producer:) http://i.imgur.com/Sj45hX0.jpg

Source: http://en.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/1g0zqb/tc_fireside_chat_with_former_lead_producer_in_la/

CC Marcos.4315:

Hi everyone,

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. First, I’d like to say that, even if the Dev team does not actively post in the forums they are always aware of what is happening. The mod team sees that they are informed of what is going on in the forums. However, we will forwad them this thread so they are aware.

Thanks a lot for your understanding.
Please, keep the discussion constructive and friendly.

Wat you don’t even have a title. So we can safely say nothing reset either.

I assume CC = Customer Care, as there are a few red-names that have that prefix.

Gasoline.2570:

CC Marcos.4315:

Hi everyone,

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. First, I’d like to say that, even if the Dev team does not actively post in the forums they are always aware of what is happening. The mod team sees that they are informed of what is going on in the forums. However, we will forwad them this thread so they are aware.

Thanks a lot for your understanding.
Please, keep the discussion constructive and friendly.

Wat you don’t even have a title. So we can safely say nothing reset either.

CC stands for “Community Coordinator” which is a title.

There has been developer feedback about dungeons many times over the past 7 months, with the most recent one (I think) being a little more than a month ago

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Molten-Weapon-Facility/first

That, however, doesn’t mean that there hasn’t been a severe lack of communication on the forums about how Anet plans to proceed with dungeons (which I agree with).

Dub.1273:

Rather Crowd Control.

I like this a lot.

Dub.1273:

Rather Crowd Control.

+1

/15charrs

This is what Regina always did on the wiki too…

If you have to “forward” stuff to people to get them to see it, it goes without saying that they weren’t interested enough to actually do anything about it in the first place. I think a lot of us accepted a long time ago that Anet’s devs are always going to do what they think is best for the game. And that’s fine. Design is an “Art” first & foremost. Rushed content that people clearly weren’t enjoying themselves making, is the WORST content and we don’t want anymore more of that thanks. But they still do owe the paying customer some sort of best-guess as to when they can get back to this aspect of the game.

If it was important enough to have its own separate forum, then it’s important enough to keep a schedule posted so that everyone who takes a break from it knows WHEN to come back. That’s been the whole point of Guildwars since 2005… we’re not supposed to be only playing one part of it all the time. It’s supposed to be something we can put down and come back to later. So just clarify when “Later” should be, and everything will be squared away here.

I have to admit that to me dungeons also feel rushed. The reason for that is that

• dungeon-mechanics can be broken by gear (berserker) and exploits (among real exploits I also include the clumping of enemies to kill them without any danger). See this for reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZWfW9hOJeI
• the lack of dynamic events in dungeons (it was stated that dynamic events make dungeons highly replayable)

Still, I see a lot of love in the design of the dungeons. What I think has gone wrong is the high complexity which arises when there is no trinity-gameplay. Working with those mechanics as a developer must be a nightmare imho, you can’t simply change something without consequences on another thing.

I think that it’s obvious that there are problems and developers shouldn’t be afraid of arguments and discussion. Sure, some players will be angry and trashtalk into oblivion, but there will be helpful discussions too; in the end we all want a better experience.

I think what has to be said by them is the direction Anet don’t want to take. They should clearly say: “sorry, what you’re suggesting isn’t the way we want to go with GW2 because…”. There were some suggestions about the defiant-system and how this could be removed; I’m sure there is a reason for it and different problems that would arise but there was no word from the team on this.

Yes, dungeons were supposed to be reworked, but what if Anet want’s to work on the defiant-system before (which takes time I guess) before they rework the dungeons with a new mechanic. We don’t know so we have to trust the team. It would help with that if they would talk to us though…

CC Marcos.4315:

Hi everyone,

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. First, I’d like to say that, even if the Dev team does not actively post in the forums they are always aware of what is happening. The mod team sees that they are informed of what is going on in the forums. However, we will forwad them this thread so they are aware.

Thanks a lot for your understanding.
Please, keep the discussion constructive and friendly.

Reading and not replying is being as respectful of your player base as all the patch content that fails to make it to the notes. Or how about all the things that seem to only make it to twitter and not onto the ACTUAL OFFICIAL WEBSITE. One day a game company will rediscover the lost art of being engaged with their customers…

Player Character.9467:

Reading and not replying is being as respectful of your player base as all the patch content that fails to make it to the notes. Or how about all the things that seem to only make it to twitter and not onto the ACTUAL OFFICIAL WEBSITE. One day a game company will rediscover the lost art of being engaged with their customers…

you’re not being very constructive here, I’m following them on twitter, facebook and none of these has exclusive information which isn’t released in the forums.

That said there are interactions between developers and players; I assume this happens in their leisure time. They don’t have to do this but it shows the dedication of them imho. I’d just wish they repost their stuff on the forums as well instead of relying on the people to do this. It would give the forums the importance those should have: the main hub for official information and place for discussion with the devs.

Marcus Greythorne.6843:

I disagree, Cameirus. They show dedication to the game each time they talk about new stuff and answering in the forums, I just miss them in the dungeons-department. I feel like the focus on living story really hurt this part of the game. They may be working in the background on dungeons, but no word to us leaves people wondering what’s going on. New suggestions come in quite often and having the devs ignoring the dedication of the players by not saying a word like “I like this idea, but there are problems with…” or “this isn’t the way we want to go forward with GW2”… some one-liners like this is just a real pitty.

They all sound enthusiastic when we do hear from them….but it never makes it way into delivery of content.

I dont expect feed back in threads, even to the minimal level you suggest, it woudl jsut create expectation, but a post every month in each forum updating the players as to topics specific to that forums woudl be nice.

I woudl actually prefer more open world content, over dungeons, not that I dont want dungeons, but the big selling point of GW2 was open world dynamc events, and we’ve had very few updates to those overall since launch, far fewer than they implied would happen.

CC Marcos.4315:

Hi everyone,

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. First, I’d like to say that, even if the Dev team does not actively post in the forums they are always aware of what is happening. The mod team sees that they are informed of what is going on in the forums. However, we will forwad them this thread so they are aware.

Thanks a lot for your understanding.
Please, keep the discussion constructive and friendly.

Please tell your communication team that posting on Reddit and twitter and not your own forums is really annoying. If we want to learn stuff about GW2 we expect to get it from teh GW2 forums….strange concept I know.

A wild CC has appeared.

Forum Community used ‘scare away’.

It was super effective.

swiftpaw.6397:

A wild CC has appeared.

Forum Community used ‘scare away’.

It was super effective.

lol’d

Atrophied.8725:

I assume CC = Customer Care, as there are a few red-names that have that prefix.

or crowd control maybe :O

We are defiant to that <.<

Why would you forward this thread of all threads… This thread doesn’t talk about the dungeons or any problems that need changing. All it talks about is how the devs clearly don’t care about the dungeons anymore which is proven by their lack of communication and lack of dungeon improvement patches.

randomfightfan.4091:

Why would you forward this thread of all threads… This thread doesn’t talk about the dungeons or any problems that need changing. All it talks about is how the devs clearly don’t care about the dungeons anymore which is proven by their lack of communication and lack of dungeon improvement patches.

I can see it now..

CC:

‘Attention developers, it has come to my knowledge that there is a thread on the forums where the dungeon peasants have gained somewhat awareness of our lack of care. Given time, these lowly cretins could gain intelligence and we could have a riot on our hands. Q_Q’s could be thrown left right and centerfold, the rangers will threaten to leave the game, The ‘giganticus lupicus is too hard’ threads will implode, the ‘Everybody is a leetist who doesn’t agree with me!’ champions will be up in arms. People will be in their droves kicking up a mighty fuss for the current state of fractal weapon skin drops and every so often, a lone soldier dies, smashing his head on the keyboard in angst trying to get COF P1 farm nerfed. Something has to be done. Someone must address the unwashed masses.’

Dev: ‘Living story is important. But we care. We do.’

CC: ‘Thanks man, I’ll let them know.’

dont forget to add dredges to fotm

Adding dredges is Always the answer!! u.u

no no no it’s totally ok everyone they haven’t abandoned dungeons

(Q:) Will we be getting more dungeons?
(A:) We will be continuing to work on our dungeons.
(Q:) (Follow-up) Old ones…or new ones?
(A:) Both!

Broadicea.8294:

no no no it’s totally ok everyone they haven’t abandoned dungeons

(Q:) Will we be getting more dungeons?
(A:) We will be continuing to work on our dungeons.
(Q:) (Follow-up) Old ones…or new ones?
(A:) Both!

I’m more concerned about when, but I suppose they cant tell us, because as they have stated in the past, they don’t want to disappoint if they cant make the date they give us. But with all this living story focus it feels like it’s gonna be a long time T_T

LordByron.8369:

dont remember to add dredges to fotm

Adding dredges is Always the answer!! u.u

No, add centaurs, corrupted, and something involving charged lodestones, watch the market fix lodestone prices.

Dub.1273:

Rather Crowd Control.

you made my day

Player Character.9467:

LordByron.8369:

dont remember to add dredges to fotm

Adding dredges is Always the answer!! u.u

No, add centaurs, corrupted, and something involving charged lodestones, watch the market fix lodestone prices.

NoNoNo! You didn’t get his point. NoNoNoNo!

was written badly anyway <.<

i still didn t try dredge fotm i expect to find dredge spawning even from chest

CC Marcos.4315:

Hi everyone,

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. First, I’d like to say that, even if the Dev team does not actively post in the forums they are always aware of what is happening. The mod team sees that they are informed of what is going on in the forums. However, we will forwad them this thread so they are aware.

Thanks a lot for your understanding.
Please, keep the discussion constructive and friendly.

Still Marcos, to be quite frank, it does not come across that way. We have seen these posts being made by several of ArenaNets’ workers. Transparency is something a lot of people attach a high value to nowadays and ArenaNet isn’t very transparent. A lot of questions are left unanswered and unresolved (see Southsun as a recent example with things like Crab Toss). People want answers and ANet should be giving them, if the tone of that person was correct to begin with. My suggestion: actually do something with ‘customer service’. I know that when an account is blocked you guys are a great help and issues get resolved, but we would like more answers on the forums as well.

Your majority might not be on the forums, but the ‘core’ players are. These are the ones you’ll want to keep happy and give answers to pressing issues.

to be frank, if this game doesn’t step it up in it’s group content by the time the new mmo’kitten (TESO and especially wildstar, a game that oozes group content in every aspect of it’s design) GW2 will loose a major chuck of it’s player base

Players play mmo’s to do stuff together… period

Direksone.3867:

Your majority might not be on the forums, but the ‘core’ players are.

Good point, those ‘core’ players also spread the word in-game.

Pifil.5193:

…
Good point, those ‘core’ players also spread the word in-game.

I think Anet underestimated this part. If any “core” player having debate w/ those “carebear” players in public forum about GW2’s content, who’s going to win most of the time? Not only that, their words carry weight within their circles.

SkyChef.5432:

Pifil.5193:

…
Good point, those ‘core’ players also spread the word in-game.

I think Anet underestimated this part. If any “core” player having debate w/ those “carebear” players in public forum about GW2’s content, who’s going to win most of the time? Not only that, their words carry weight within their circles.

Another good point. I consider myself inbetween those two. I get on and play almost everyday. Lately I’ve been having less fun and spending less time playing. Updates used to excite me, I don’t even care about this one. The wings look cool, but that’s about it. I’m pretty sick and tired of temp content.

When I’m online playing it’s okay, but sometimes I wonder why I’m not having fun anymore. Then i read the forums and say “oh… yeah… that’s why”

This is why I stopped playing. I have a couple videos that I can’t even bring myself to commentate at this point because I’ve moved to other games and just don’t really care anymore.

The recent story content and the gameplay/guide videos put out by a couple devs recently basically killed any hope I had of them improving anything related to challenging/teamwork based content outside of the very light, casual friendly stuff related to the living story.

And every month that goes by without something being communicated on the dungeon front it’s just a worse and worse feeling if you’re not totally gung-ho about the casual fluff and gem store RNG parties. That Snowcrash dev says “they will be continuing to work on them”, yet here we are in June with the Dragon Bash (ugh) event and data miners picking up info on the future release which will be more gem store garbage for late June/early July.

How long can we go without something concrete happening to dungeons and fractals? Without us even being told that something is actively being worked on?

At this point I’d be willing to bet large real money amounts on nothing in 2013.