Guild Wars 2

Essence Snow.3194:

Smooth, Chuck, and Flesh Wound please take it to pm.

Can you do me a favor? Recap your theory in a paragraph, as I’m getting really REALLY confused as to what the point of this thread really is. As far as I remember, this thread was just about the perception of RNG being good or bad, depending on the outcome of the individual account’s loot.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Chuck.8196:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Chuck.8196:

What? but you just said something completely different.!!!!!! if you want answers get your story straight. Do you play a lot or 4 hours a day? guess you really are attempting to troll. You’re so bad at it. Another one to report.

Not sure what you’re getting at. Is 4 hours a day not considered “a lot”? I would assume it does, as I play all game modes. Then after I finish the 4 hours on my main, I log into my alt for an hour before I go to sleep. Weekends I might play a couple of hours more per account.

Anyways, you never answered my question. How is it that my accounts are the complete opposite of what your theory calls for? Why is RNG better for an account I play a lot, and not for the account I do on the side? I still play both daily. It’s not like Anet flipped a switch to give me better loot, simply because I support their system.

By the way, I give John permission to look into my account data to prove my story, if that helps you any.

Then if you play both daily you don’t match criteria for the theory. if you would actually read thread you would see its about accounts that don’t get played often. not daily, not every 2 days, or 3.
Answer : Both your accounts RNG is active because its played daily. (not those accounts who just rest for long times)

Answer : The longer you play the larger the qauntity of loot you earn (duh)

You say you need to let the account sit before it gets better loot. Essence Snow’s post said one of his accounts gets better loot when he plays them both. How can these both be right?

Essence Snow.3194:

Here’s my issue: My newer account gets drastically better loot. My main account hardly ever gets exotics while my new account gets them frequently. I had always had suspicion that certain players had better drops on average than other. In my guild and ally guilds we know which players will consistently get better drops. It’s so predictable it’s not funny. But, as all that was second hand I couldn’t ever really experience it for myself. Well, now I have. Snip

because he asked me about my theory, not about Essence, didn’t he?
his account is recent purchase with very low playtime and getting better loot. This represents a full loot experience but as he continues to play his loot will start to slowly diminish with age providing less and less favorable outcomes. BUT if he takes this account and leave it for 2 months his loot experience refills. granting the first kill exceptional quality. This explains the people logging in for the first in a while and getting unique exotics and most recently happened with a whole bunch of players returning to farm beta portals.

Do you want more proof of this?
If you were playing during the first year they had done a big server reset and people were rolled back. then EVERYBODY, yes EVERYBODY that was playing had their first few drops minutes after reset as unique Exotics. i got mine from some low level in Wayfarer Foothills. Some people got 2 some got 3. it wasn’t a long waiting period but it was an account reset that affected the “RNG” information in some way granting everyone favorable loot. its happened before it can be happening again only affected by something else such as inactivity. OR not logging in between resets/skipping an update. if i

RNG is fair, but ANETRNG is fairer

Chuck.8196:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Chuck.8196:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Chuck.8196:

What? but you just said something completely different.!!!!!! if you want answers get your story straight. Do you play a lot or 4 hours a day? guess you really are attempting to troll. You’re so bad at it. Another one to report.

Not sure what you’re getting at. Is 4 hours a day not considered “a lot”? I would assume it does, as I play all game modes. Then after I finish the 4 hours on my main, I log into my alt for an hour before I go to sleep. Weekends I might play a couple of hours more per account.

Anyways, you never answered my question. How is it that my accounts are the complete opposite of what your theory calls for? Why is RNG better for an account I play a lot, and not for the account I do on the side? I still play both daily. It’s not like Anet flipped a switch to give me better loot, simply because I support their system.

By the way, I give John permission to look into my account data to prove my story, if that helps you any.

Then if you play both daily you don’t match criteria for the theory. if you would actually read thread you would see its about accounts that don’t get played often. not daily, not every 2 days, or 3.
Answer : Both your accounts RNG is active because its played daily. (not those accounts who just rest for long times)

Answer : The longer you play the larger the qauntity of loot you earn (duh)

You say you need to let the account sit before it gets better loot. Essence Snow’s post said one of his accounts gets better loot when he plays them both. How can these both be right?

Essence Snow.3194:

Here’s my issue: My newer account gets drastically better loot. My main account hardly ever gets exotics while my new account gets them frequently. I had always had suspicion that certain players had better drops on average than other. In my guild and ally guilds we know which players will consistently get better drops. It’s so predictable it’s not funny. But, as all that was second hand I couldn’t ever really experience it for myself. Well, now I have. Snip

because he asked me about my theory, not about Essence, didn’t he?
his account is recent purchase with very low playtime and getting better loot. This represents a full loot experience but as he continues to play his loot will start to slowly diminish with age providing less and less favorable outcomes. BUT if he takes this account and leave it for 2 months his loot experience refills. granting the first kill exceptional quality. This explains the people logging in for the first in a while and getting unique exotics and most recently happened with a whole bunch of players returning to farm beta portals.

Do you want more proof of this?
If you were playing during the first year they had done a big server reset and people were rolled back. then EVERYBODY, yes EVERYBODY that was playing had their first few drops minutes after reset as unique Exotics. i got mine from some low level in Wayfarer Foothills. Some people got 2 some got 3. it wasn’t a long waiting period but it was an account reset that affected the “RNG” information in some way granting everyone favorable loot. its happened before it can be happening again only affected by something else such as inactivity.

His post that says he plays both and gets different rewards contradicts your theory where you said “Now you got it. Play your main all the time and stay off your 2nd account for a while and you will definitely see improvement in loot when you next play it.”

So, what you are saying is, if you don’t play for a few months and then start you will get better loot but if you continue to play, then the chances of better loot go down. However he is saying he can play both accounts and one continuously getting better loot.

How can they both be true? If your theory was true then his alt account would get worse loot the longer he played it.

I was playing during the first year and didn’t get that exotic you mention. Site a source please where it shows large numbers of people got an exotic that day. The thread will do.

I’m pretty sure this thread’kitten a dead end. Literally and figuratively. Particularly when the OP’s basically repeating a point that they’ve been repeatedly told is false, coincidental, and a non-issue. Not really a discussion to be had over such a topic.

is this the smoking gun to lucky and unlucky accounts?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/Heroic-Edition-Items-Delivered-to-Beta-Participants/first#post5033783

Aidan Savage.2078:

I’m pretty sure this thread’kitten a dead end. Literally and figuratively. Particularly when the OP’s basically repeating a point that they’ve been repeatedly told is false, coincidental, and a non-issue. Not really a discussion to be had over such a topic.

Yeah. I agree. One person (Snow) says one thing and a second person (Chuck) is saying something that doesn’t fit what Snow says, yet somehow they are both right.

I can’t control who comes into the thread and does what. I knew that the few usual suspects (as noted in the OP) would come in this one and try to get it closed (they have). I was not aware that other posters would come and insist on changing the topic.

It would be nice to have decent discussions without the trolling.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Chuck.8196:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Chuck.8196:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Chuck.8196:

What? but you just said something completely different.!!!!!! if you want answers get your story straight. Do you play a lot or 4 hours a day? guess you really are attempting to troll. You’re so bad at it. Another one to report.

Not sure what you’re getting at. Is 4 hours a day not considered “a lot”? I would assume it does, as I play all game modes. Then after I finish the 4 hours on my main, I log into my alt for an hour before I go to sleep. Weekends I might play a couple of hours more per account.

Anyways, you never answered my question. How is it that my accounts are the complete opposite of what your theory calls for? Why is RNG better for an account I play a lot, and not for the account I do on the side? I still play both daily. It’s not like Anet flipped a switch to give me better loot, simply because I support their system.

By the way, I give John permission to look into my account data to prove my story, if that helps you any.

Then if you play both daily you don’t match criteria for the theory. if you would actually read thread you would see its about accounts that don’t get played often. not daily, not every 2 days, or 3.
Answer : Both your accounts RNG is active because its played daily. (not those accounts who just rest for long times)

Answer : The longer you play the larger the qauntity of loot you earn (duh)

You say you need to let the account sit before it gets better loot. Essence Snow’s post said one of his accounts gets better loot when he plays them both. How can these both be right?

Essence Snow.3194:

Here’s my issue: My newer account gets drastically better loot. My main account hardly ever gets exotics while my new account gets them frequently. I had always had suspicion that certain players had better drops on average than other. In my guild and ally guilds we know which players will consistently get better drops. It’s so predictable it’s not funny. But, as all that was second hand I couldn’t ever really experience it for myself. Well, now I have. Snip

because he asked me about my theory, not about Essence, didn’t he?
his account is recent purchase with very low playtime and getting better loot. This represents a full loot experience but as he continues to play his loot will start to slowly diminish with age providing less and less favorable outcomes. BUT if he takes this account and leave it for 2 months his loot experience refills. granting the first kill exceptional quality. This explains the people logging in for the first in a while and getting unique exotics and most recently happened with a whole bunch of players returning to farm beta portals.

Do you want more proof of this?
If you were playing during the first year they had done a big server reset and people were rolled back. then EVERYBODY, yes EVERYBODY that was playing had their first few drops minutes after reset as unique Exotics. i got mine from some low level in Wayfarer Foothills. Some people got 2 some got 3. it wasn’t a long waiting period but it was an account reset that affected the “RNG” information in some way granting everyone favorable loot. its happened before it can be happening again only affected by something else such as inactivity.

His post that says he plays both and gets different rewards contradicts your theory where you said “Now you got it. Play your main all the time and stay off your 2nd account for a while and you will definitely see improvement in loot when you next play it.”

So, what you are saying is, if you don’t play for a few months and then start you will get better loot but if you continue to play, then the chances of better loot go down. However he is saying he can play both accounts and one continuously getting better loot.

How can they both be true? If your theory was true then his alt account would get worse loot the longer he played it.

Did you read the part about age? His account is 3 months old so there’s probably no where near as much time. This would leave his loot Experience still up near the top good stuff. Are you expecting an immediate drop in quality? that would be too obvious.
mine on the other hand with 800+ hours in a much lower range of loot and over years old BUT still MUCH higher than my main. So i could let it sit and refill its loot experience until its in the good stuff again.
how do you even see a a contradiction between the two after comparison?

Chuck.8196:

Did you read the part about age? His account is 3 months old so there’s probably no where near as much time. This would leave his loot Experience still up near the top good stuff. Are you expecting an immediate drop in quality? that would be too obvious.
mine on the other hand with 800+ hours in a much lower range of loot and over years old BUT still MUCH higher than my main. So i could let it sit and refill its loot experience until its in the good stuff again.
how do you even see a a contradiction between the two after comparison?

So, you are saying

1) if it’s an old account, it will get bad loot unless
2) it’s an old account that was allowed to sit for months then it gets good loot until
3) it ages a bit more and no longer gets good loot and must be allowed to sit
4) or it’s a new account and will get good loot until an unspecified time, in which it becomes an old account and old account rules then apply.

So, there are no old accounts that get good loot under your scenario. /shrug. I always thought my account I’ve had since launch did well. I’ve never had any complaints. I play every day and have made several thousand gold.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Chuck.8196:

Did you read the part about age? His account is 3 months old so there’s probably no where near as much time. This would leave his loot Experience still up near the top good stuff. Are you expecting an immediate drop in quality? that would be too obvious.
mine on the other hand with 800+ hours in a much lower range of loot and over years old BUT still MUCH higher than my main. So i could let it sit and refill its loot experience until its in the good stuff again.
how do you even see a a contradiction between the two after comparison?

So, you are saying

1) if it’s an old account, it will get bad loot unless
2) it’s an old account that was allowed to sit for months then it gets good loot until
3) it ages a bit more and no longer gets good loot and must be allowed to sit
4) or it’s a new account and will get good loot until an unspecified time, in which it becomes an old account and old account rules then apply.

So, there are no old accounts that get good loot under your scenario. /shrug. I always thought my account I’ve had since launch did well. I’ve never had any complaints. I play every day and have made several thousand gold.

No it will not get bad loot. It will get good loot less often than a new account. There will be plenty of good stuff just less of it.
Do you understand?

no it doesn’t have to sit. BUT If you would like to see an improvement in your loot, then you may allow it to sit. How long is required for improvement is unknown. i know 2 months for is enough though.
Do you understand?

The unfortunate truth is that RNG keeps people playing, and so is unlikely to go anywhere any time soon unless Anet sees fit to possibly sacrifice part of their player base and spend time and resources creating a system that isn’t random to hopefully make people happy.

Chuck.8196:

No it will not get bad loot. It will get good loot less often than a new account. There will be plenty of good stuff just less of it.
Do you understand?

No, I don’t understand. It’s like saying “RNG is RNG, just less of of it.” That’s not how it works. Each loot attempt is based off of a percentage chance to roll on the existing loot tables. See below:

John Smith.4610:

Loot isn’t assigned until the player interacts, so technically 0. I could estimate based on probabilities, but that would be some work.

If you had a 10% chance (made up % for example purposes) to get a Beta Portal from the VW, that doesn’t mean you just have to do 10 runs to guarantee the drop. Each time you kill the VM and loot the end chest, you get a 1 in 10 chance of rolling the Beta Portal. So the next time you kill the VW and grab the end chest, it’s still a 1 in 10 chance.

Magic Find alters the RNG percentage roll, but that’s as far as it goes. Anet confirmed that RNG is not different per account. No one account is coded more lucky than another.

By the way, here’s a little tidbit for you guys who use forum replies to support your theories:

John Smith.4610:

Surveying forums leads to massive biases including Sample Bias and Response Bias.

I totally believe this. I’ve always had terrible “RNG,” but after the last queen’s jubilee where I opened thousands of those things and got nothing be the cheapest, most useless item out of all of them, it became clear that I was on a cursed account. Anet shouldn’t wonder why I’m so bitter against them.

John Smith.4610:

Loot isn’t assigned until the player interacts.

The same thing was said in GW1 with each instance but i can prove that’s wrong by entering separate instances on separate accounts at the same time I can get the same mobs to both drop the exact same loot.
Magic Find alters you chance to receive a specific tier for loot tables . level, quality, etc are increased by % of magic find.
So the older your account gets and the more MF, the more blue green you get making your loot worse because its a much higher chance to get that low tier salvage stuff now (.01% chance with 500% magic find is now a 5% chance. but hey were not talking about MF . Were talking about the noticeable difference the increasing number of people are seeing in new vs old accounts and its symptoms/possible causes. and by new/old i mean the amount of time and /or how often they’re played.

I’ve ran VW on 5+ different characters including ones I haven’t pve’d with in over a year and got no significant loot changes. I got an exotic with one character and thought there might be something to it, but on my main I sometimes looted back-to-back rares and the occasional exotic from drops and champ bags. It doesn’t seem unlikely that there is some B.S. loot impartiality to new accounts which is kind of kittened but whatever, if I wanted loot that badly I’d buy a new account and test it out. I don’t care about that crap, I just want to build my one account as best as I can. Which with a system of obnoxious loot impartiality would suck but hey, I play this game mostly for the fun combat.

But seriously, w t f @ someone getting two zaps in a month from mystic forge. What the hell lol

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Chuck.8196:

Keep in mind this is mostly referring to LOOTED items. Not chests, forge, etc.
@Everyone
Why are you posting if your only going to argue the OP? You’re asking for “proof” of it but can you prove there isn’t something wrong? There are ALOT of people who experience this problem. And its amazing that so many people here will deny having not experienced it. If you can’t provide the evidence that it DOESN’T exist then you can’t deny it does. I play one account typically 12 + hours a day and my loot is worthless all day. I run around to most every dungeon, diff maps doing diff stuff, fotm, world bosses. SW… all on diff toons.. my loot is still all garbage.

I can get onto my alts and farm for a couple hours and get plenty of rares and a couple exotics. So far Alt #2 loot hasn’t diminished since i got him and it about 800 hours now. Alt #3 is the same; 200 hours and still great loot. it’s enough to make me want to stop playing my main. But no need because I multibox.

All of you that believe everything is perfect and works how you’re told Gullible

I’ll give you a quick rundown of the current conversation:

• Player – Something’s wrong because one account has better RNG than others.
• Me – RNG doesn’t mean you’re guaranteed a drop.
• Anet – No account is luckier than another. Each account has the same base chance to get drops from the loot table.
• Player – Show me proof that I’m not unlucky. I want to see data to prove I’m wrong.
• Other players – /deadhorse.gif

As John Smith said many moons ago, we players need to first show there’s an existing problem before coming up with solutions. You don’t come up with solutions first, then go hunting for the problem.

Right now, people only feel there’s a problem, because they’re not getting what they want. In this case, I use the term Entitlement to describe the on-going issue.

Thing is… I’ve witnessed it happen too. Someone in teamspeak (who already owned multiple legendaries) looted 3 precursors during one ‘champion farm’ in the hour before Teq. You may say that’s just RNG, but as someone who hasn’t even looted (or fountained) ONE SINGLE PRECURSOR in 3 years of play, I’d say there seems to be something off with the loot distribution if some people loot things like that so consistently and others never get a break.

And no, it’s not a matter of entitlement… it’s a matter of sheer frustration

RNG is RNG if it didnt behave wierdly now and again it wouldnt be working correctly.

Just look at real life.

a 100 year old person who’s been playing the lottery every single time isnt more likely to win the next lottery then the person who is going to play his first ticket. If that new person wins it doesnt mean life’s RNG favours new accounts.

Just look around, you’ll find stories of people winning the lottery numerous times. Even one story when one couple won the lottery 3 times in one month! And we’re talking guessing 5 numbers here each time.

there are many stories of people winning 2 lotteries in their life time and infinitely more of people who just never won a jackpot in their life.

The nature of randomness is that sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you get unlucky. Odds are what determines how often you get lucky and how often you get unlucky. Naturally Odds are such that people are much more likely to be unlucky so when we see someone get lucky or even when we get lucky ourselves we’re so used to loosing that it automatically feels like there is something wrong.

As for loot distribution. There is no loot distribution, there is the luck of a draw. Each time you kill / loot something A few random numbers determine if you should get a draw and what that draw is. Randomness isnt trying to be politically correct and provide an equal chance to anyone.

Lets for example assume there are just 2 players and a precursor chance to drop is 1 in 1000.

both players start farming mobs. they both kill 1000 mobs each only player 2 gets 2 precursors and player 1 gets nothing.

Is the random number generator broken?

no… the odds stipulate that ever 1000 killed mobs a precursor should drop. The odds are global though not tied to a player. Who gets the lucky roll every 1000 rolls or so is still well random for a lack of a better word. Now player 1 might say he has an unlucky account for he killed 1000 mobs and never got a drop while his friend got 2 by killing 1000 mobs like he did but that doesnt mean he’s right does it?

Chuck.8196:

Astralporing.1957:

Chuck.8196:

To sum up this thread – Players who play much less frequently receive higher quality loot more often than compared with those who play incredulous hours as evidence collected through consistent and repetitious forum threads.

First – i have yet to see a thread on that topic that supplied any evidence about drops received.
Second, it doesn’t match my experience – i have my whole guild to compare, and the best drops consistently go to an account that is both oldest and most played of all. That is (just in case you misunderstood again) not about drops total per whole game life. That’s about drops per timeframe which is bigger than a single event.

have you ever seen $10million ? Then it must not exist.
if it doesn’t match your experience than how can you argue its happening? This is why you’re confused.According to you, all the players in your guild have alts that they don’t play for weeks to months on end then get on to tell you what they get. AND they ALL play together ALL the time at the SAME time and all have equal age.. you should collect that information since you veteran packed guild can provide quite a large and valuable amount of information.

You are moving your goalpost. Assuming your theory is correct, the accounts in my guild that are played the least should get better drops per timeframe/effort than those that are played the most. Since this doesn’t happen, there’s something wrong with your theory.

Chuck.8196:

Magic Find alters you chance to receive a specific tier for loot tables . level, quality, etc are increased by % of magic find.
So the older your account gets and the more MF, the more blue green you get making your loot worse because its a much higher chance to get that low tier salvage stuff now (.01% chance with 500% magic find is now a 5% chance. but hey were not talking about MF

The effects of MF on farming and drops quality is well recorded by now, and it behaves nothing like you claim.

Zackie.8923:

is this the smoking gun to lucky and unlucky accounts?

No.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

I was playing during the first year and didn’t get that exotic you mention. Site a source please where it shows large numbers of people got an exotic that day. The thread will do.

I’d like to see that too, as this is the first i hear about it.

Galen Grey.4709:

RNG is RNG if it didnt behave wierdly now and again it wouldnt be working correctly.

Acting wierdly sometimes is not proof that the loot distribution system is working without errors nor is it proof for the opposite.

Galen Grey.4709:

Is the random number generator broken?

no…

That is an assumption/opinion but you have no proof for that.

Maybe something in the “loot distribution system” is broken, maybe not. As players we have not enough data to proof one or the other.

Was hoping for an answer about this, as loot distribution does seem off. For example some posted a screenshot of them having 5 Portal stones…If the drops are that rare, and many many people have yet to get even 1, how can some accounts be getting that many unless something is wrong with the loot tables on some accounts!

John.8507:

Was hoping for an answer about this, as loot distribution does seem off. For example some posted a screenshot of them having 5 Portal stones…If the drops are that rare, and many many people have yet to get even 1, how can some accounts be getting that many unless something is wrong with the loot tables on some accounts!

I bought a lotto ticket.
My neighbor bought a lotto ticket.
My neighbor won and I didn’t.
Please fix the lotto!

well, OP already brought up everything that could be said regarding his “observations”. Only thing to add here is that he apparently insists heavily on being completely oblivious to basic insights of mathematics and human psychology, even though he could know better in theory. Congratulations, OP, it takes some effort to stay that uneducated in the face of available knowledge.

mtpelion.4562:

John.8507:

Was hoping for an answer about this, as loot distribution does seem off. For example some posted a screenshot of them having 5 Portal stones…If the drops are that rare, and many many people have yet to get even 1, how can some accounts be getting that many unless something is wrong with the loot tables on some accounts!

I bought a lotto ticket.
My neighbor bought a lotto ticket.
My neighbor won and I didn’t.
Please fix the lotto!

Now if that same neighbor won the lotto 3+ times in a row, you better believe some sort of investigation would be had. Nothing might be found but surely the random chance of it occurring shouldn’t be that close (although it does happen).

Since the discussion in this thread has derailed and is no longer constructive this thread is now closed.