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Posted by: Aeon.4127

Aeon.4127

Topic says it all 28 black lion chest keys not ONE uncommon item or better… is it worth it? I have my answer, feel free to drop your (most likely) sad or (if your lucky enough) awesome drop rates below, so we can come to a better understanding as to how awful it is to add festival specific items like the new grasping glider! Gj Anet 10/10!

I will probably try another 25 soon, since I am a glutton for punishment, and give my reportings.

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Posted by: Vavume.8065

Vavume.8065

28 ToT bags tho! /s

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Posted by: Archdevil.1748

Archdevil.1748

I used my appreciation key and got 2 uncommons. decided to buy 5 keys. first of all why on earth one of the slots is taken by a worthless ToT bag? got 2 revive orbs one scrap and unidentified dye. GG Anet! please fix this. its a robbery

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Posted by: Randulf.7614

Randulf.7614

Topic says it all 28 black lion chest keys not ONE uncommon item or better… is it worth it? I have my answer, feel free to drop your (most likely) sad or (if your lucky enough) awesome drop rates below, so we can come to a better understanding as to how awful it is to add festival specific items like the new grasping glider! Gj Anet 10/10!

I will probably try another 25 soon, since I am a glutton for punishment, and give my reportings.

And yet their metrics will show one person bought a chunk of keys ( I am assuming you did buy them?) and if you buy more, it shows you are willing to keep going with the gamble. If many others try that, all it shows them is that the system is successful.

The more players invest in them, the greater the likelihood of their metrics showing the system works is.

I’m no fan of poor RNG in lockboxes, but they do seem to be working as intended when players keep buying them with that hope of a lucky drop or mass buying as RNG tests.

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Posted by: Aeon.4127

Aeon.4127

Yep 25 more keys 2 uncommon mad dye kits… I am done with black lion keys… This is robbing people blind. 53 Black lion keys 2 uncommon 51 common… I expect RNG believe me I do… but this is too much…

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Posted by: EphemeralWallaby.7643

EphemeralWallaby.7643

If ToT bags were so worthless, people wouldn’t be spending hours on hours of their lives farming them.

I’ll be waiting on my BL chests for easter when I (hope) there’ll be the miniature-giving eggs… I wanna crack at my grail mini, the jack-a-lop.

~EW

(darn you IWN for convincing me that minis were worth having. :P )

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Posted by: CMM.6712

CMM.6712

tot bag , transmute charge, ticket scrap

not the worst ever… the tot bag is a kick in the _ _ _ _ _ though

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Posted by: Junior.3928

Junior.3928

25 chests, pretty much a robbery. I’d like a refund lol

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Posted by: Malediktus.3740

Malediktus.3740

I think they nerfed chance for black lion tickets, opened 30 keys (one per account) and i got like 5 scraps and no ticket. Or anything else worth mentioning.

One of my 30 accounts (Malediktus.9250).

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Posted by: Illconceived Was Na.9781

Illconceived Was Na.9781

BL chests are designed to bags of junk, with a small chance of something interesting and a super tin chance of something valuable. They are intended to be rewards; they offer a momentary thrill of anticipation that this time, you might be lucky.

Buy them if you appreciate the entertainment value; ignore them otherwise.

John Smith: “you should kill monsters, because killing monsters is awesome.”

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Posted by: Malediktus.3740

Malediktus.3740

Well I expected nothing and still got disappointed. It was not even worth logging in my accounts to get these.
I hope Anet only nerfed the chances until people wasted their free keys.

One of my 30 accounts (Malediktus.9250).

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Posted by: Khisanth.2948

Khisanth.2948

Anyone foolish enough to buy these shouldn’t be complaining.

They are never a good purchase in any game where they are available. This should have been even more obvious with the 1 free key and seeing 1/3 slot being forced into being a junk item(ToT bag).

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Posted by: CMM.6712

CMM.6712

tot bag , transmute charge, ticket scrap

not the worst ever… the tot bag is a kick in the _ _ _ _ _ though

For a freebie, it IS appreciated. Now I just have to get 8 more scraps to get something I would really like.

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Posted by: skullmount.1758

skullmount.1758

tot bag , transmute charge, ticket scrap

not the worst ever… the tot bag is a kick in the _ _ _ _ _ though

For a freebie, it IS appreciated. Now I just have to get 8 more scraps to get something I would really like.

Its not a freebie…
And it takes up one of the thee slots.

Darkhaven server
Please give us a keyring…

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Posted by: Inculpatus cedo.9234

Inculpatus cedo.9234

Did you mean….all common?

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Posted by: Behellagh.1468

Behellagh.1468

tot bag , transmute charge, ticket scrap

not the worst ever… the tot bag is a kick in the _ _ _ _ _ though

Use to be a booster. Rarely saw anybody jump up and down about a booster. At least you can sell ToT bags.

Plus it’s looking like the 2nd slot is first row of common and the 2rd slot is 2nd row common and if you get a 4th slot, it’s uncommon/rare/super rare.

We are heroes. This is what we do!

RIP City of Heroes

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Posted by: CMM.6712

CMM.6712

tot bag , transmute charge, ticket scrap

not the worst ever… the tot bag is a kick in the _ _ _ _ _ though

For a freebie, it IS appreciated. Now I just have to get 8 more scraps to get something I would really like.

Its not a freebie…
And it takes up one of the thee slots.

It was the freebie customer appreciation one.

@Behellagh I would rather have the booster, plenty of tot bags lol

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Posted by: Khisanth.2948

Khisanth.2948

tot bag , transmute charge, ticket scrap

not the worst ever… the tot bag is a kick in the _ _ _ _ _ though

Use to be a booster. Rarely saw anybody jump up and down about a booster. At least you can sell ToT bags.

Plus it’s looking like the 2nd slot is common and the 3rd slot is uncommon. If you get a fourth slot, that’s the rare/super rare.

A booster is 100 gems. That puts it in the 20-30g range. A ToT bag is less than 20s at the peak.

I got the ToT bag, an unidentified dye and a transmutation charge so your theory is also wrong.

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Posted by: Behellagh.1468

Behellagh.1468

I love how the community wants it both ways. There’s one faction that said boosters were overvalued and worthless drops from BL Chests. Now that they replace it with a seasonal item, you have another faction saying that boosters were useful and are worth the 100ish gems.

We are heroes. This is what we do!

RIP City of Heroes

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Posted by: abaddon.3290

abaddon.3290

I love how the community wants it both ways. There’s one faction that said boosters were overvalued and worthless drops from BL Chests. Now that they replace it with a seasonal item, you have another faction saying that boosters were useful and are worth the 100ish gems.

so your saying different people have different opinions?

im bad at sarcasm

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Posted by: Behellagh.1468

Behellagh.1468

No, just if you listen to the forums and make decisions based on it, you might make one group happy but likely tick off another.

We are heroes. This is what we do!

RIP City of Heroes

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Posted by: CMM.6712

CMM.6712

I love how the community wants it both ways. There’s one faction that said boosters were overvalued and worthless drops from BL Chests. Now that they replace it with a seasonal item, you have another faction saying that boosters were useful and are worth the 100ish gems.

/s Since most people don’t have any tot bags…

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Posted by: EphemeralWallaby.7643

EphemeralWallaby.7643

I love how the community wants it both ways. There’s one faction that said boosters were overvalued and worthless drops from BL Chests. Now that they replace it with a seasonal item, you have another faction saying that boosters were useful and are worth the 100ish gems.

I find myself thinking that when ANet hires new devs, proof of a thick-skin is a mandatory quality.

“Can you do the job and even find satisfaction in your work, even when the entire community will never be happy with what you accomplish? Yes? Good, you’re hired.”

“On Tuesdays you can expect us to provide bagels and muffins.”

~EW

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Posted by: ShinjoNaomi.1896

ShinjoNaomi.1896

I love how the community wants it both ways. There’s one faction that said boosters were overvalued and worthless drops from BL Chests. Now that they replace it with a seasonal item, you have another faction saying that boosters were useful and are worth the 100ish gems.

Just remember… There are hardly ever any true majorities in MMO communities. Just a bunch of minorities.
Please or placate one group, and you ruffle another…

“If half as many people were half as brave in real life as they were online…
… The human race would never have to worry about be oppressed again.”
I think trolls should have their computers smashed. ’Its all part of the game. U mad bro?’

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Posted by: Lethalvriend.1723

Lethalvriend.1723

I hope you realize there are more tiers to satisfaction, not good and bad. ToT bag is worse than a booster in my eyes, but I never really enjoyed getting boosters either. Then again, I’m no fool to buy RNG box keys.. I open all my chests with map complete/story keys and stuff like this. At least I nearly have my 3rd ticket now :P

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Posted by: Chad.6104

Chad.6104

I love how the community wants it both ways. There’s one faction that said boosters were overvalued and worthless drops from BL Chests. Now that they replace it with a seasonal item, you have another faction saying that boosters were useful and are worth the 100ish gems.

Maybe they weren’t worth much but getting something thats not worth much is still better than loosing the slot an getting nothing at all.

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Posted by: Khisanth.2948

Khisanth.2948

No, just if you listen to the forums and make decisions based on it, you might make one group happy but likely tick off another.

Replacing something people considered to have a low value with one that has even less value is not an improvement.

When people ask for change they generally expect improvements. Change is not automatically good, this also applies to all the people asking for balance. Just because there is a change doesn’t automatically mean there were improvements made.

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Posted by: brittitude.1983

brittitude.1983

I got the free key and used 5 I had saved, for 6 tries. I ended up with 3 slots on 5 and a 4th slot on one that had the new glider in it. Outside of the normal common stuff, I ended up with 3 scraps and 2 of the account unlocks. The account unlocks gave me the mini undead chicken and a soaring skin. So, I found RNG to be on my side today.

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Posted by: jheryn.8390

jheryn.8390

BL chests are designed to bags of junk, with a small chance of something interesting and a super tin chance of something valuable. They are intended to be rewards; they offer a momentary thrill of anticipation that this time, you might be lucky.

Buy them if you appreciate the entertainment value; ignore them otherwise.

+1 IWN. These things are basically slot machines with a guaranty of getting SOMETHING out of it, even if it junk.

They give you something because if they give you nothing like a real slot machine, then it would truly be gambling. This way it is NOT gambling because you actually are guaranteed to get three items.

The problem is is that like a real slot machine, you can pull it 50 time and still get nothing or something minuscule.

If you believe that you will EVER get anything valuable, then you are fooling yourself. As IWN said above, if you are buying keys and opening these things for anything other than entertainment, then you are setting yourself up for disappointment. That is not Anets fault, that is yours.

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Posted by: NovaanVerdiano.6174

NovaanVerdiano.6174

On a positive note, I managed to get the new glider (not exactly a pinnacle of beauty, but that’s besides the point) twice within 6 chests, the game was kind enough to take the second unlocked glider and replace it with two black lion keys, stating that it does this with all account bound rewards you already redeemed on your account.

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Posted by: CMM.6712

CMM.6712

On a positive note, I managed to get the new glider (not exactly a pinnacle of beauty, but that’s besides the point) twice within 6 chests, the game was kind enough to take the second unlocked glider and replace it with two black lion keys, stating that it does this with all account bound rewards you already redeemed on your account.

Well that is a good change, I wish it was retroactive!!!

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Posted by: Shivan.9438

Shivan.9438

Odds, RNG, percentages, all of it is a lie. Everything in life is 50/50. You’ll either get it or you won’t. It’ll either happen or it won’t.

It’ll either rain or it won’t. C’thulhu exists or he doesn’t. When you loot a mob with 1% MF or 500% MF, you’ll either get a pre or you won’t.

If you don’t think you’ll get that Permanent Hair Dye Kit, then don’t bother. If you do, keep buying gems or farming your brains out to buy them with gold.

EDIT: People need buy keys with the skeptical viewpoint of: “I won’t get anything good.” Then you’ll experience real joy when you do. And when you don’t, you won’t be disappointed.

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Posted by: Barak.2709

Barak.2709

If ToT bags were so worthless, people wouldn’t be spending hours on hours of their lives farming them.

I’ll be waiting on my BL chests for easter when I (hope) there’ll be the miniature-giving eggs… I wanna crack at my grail mini, the jack-a-lop.

~EW

(darn you IWN for convincing me that minis were worth having. :P )

I think they spending time to sell them sicne there are some who buys them

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Posted by: iced cooly.5794

iced cooly.5794

Guaranteed ToT bag to fill one slot? Jesus Christ what kittening awful idea, its not even a large bag, fecking hell they could at least give you a decent sized stack of them if they expect you to pay real money for this kittene.

Rip off!

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Posted by: BrotherBelial.3094

BrotherBelial.3094

If ToT bags were so worthless, people wouldn’t be spending hours on hours of their lives farming them.

I’ll be waiting on my BL chests for easter when I (hope) there’ll be the miniature-giving eggs… I wanna crack at my grail mini, the jack-a-lop.

~EW

(darn you IWN for convincing me that minis were worth having. :P )

ToT bags are worthless, unless you open thousands. I’ve opened around 1000, and have nothing note worthy. BLC, like all things in this game depend on your “luck”. But then from playing PvP for a year and a half off and on, I’ve had 12 ascended armor chests, 7 weapon chests and 14 ascended rings. I guess my luck is going else where.

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Posted by: EphemeralWallaby.7643

EphemeralWallaby.7643

If ToT bags were so worthless, people wouldn’t be spending hours on hours of their lives farming them.

I’ll be waiting on my BL chests for easter when I (hope) there’ll be the miniature-giving eggs… I wanna crack at my grail mini, the jack-a-lop.

~EW

(darn you IWN for convincing me that minis were worth having. :P )

ToT bags are worthless, unless you open thousands. I’ve opened around 1000, and have nothing note worthy. BLC, like all things in this game depend on your “luck”. But then from playing PvP for a year and a half off and on, I’ve had 12 ascended armor chests, 7 weapon chests and 14 ascended rings. I guess my luck is going else where.

A ToT bag you don’t want is worth at least 5s+ on the TP, where as account bound junk you don’t want is worth 0. I’ll take the 5s over 0c any day.

~EW

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Posted by: Svarty.8019

Svarty.8019

I got a Merchant Express, a Tome of Knowledge and a Trick-or-Treat bag from my free key&chest. I can’t complain.

Nobody at Anet loves WvW like Grouch loved PvP. That’s what we need, a WvW Grouch, but taller.

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Posted by: CMM.6712

CMM.6712

I got a Merchant Express, a Tome of Knowledge and a Trick-or-Treat bag.

Real world example:

I got a gift card for a restaurant I don’t like, a shirt I have 5 others like, and some stale fruitcake for Christmas.

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Posted by: SRoode.7318

SRoode.7318

If ToT bags were so worthless, people wouldn’t be spending hours on hours of their lives farming them.

I’ll be waiting on my BL chests for easter when I (hope) there’ll be the miniature-giving eggs… I wanna crack at my grail mini, the jack-a-lop.

~EW

(darn you IWN for convincing me that minis were worth having. :P )

ToT bags are worthless, unless you open thousands. I’ve opened around 1000, and have nothing note worthy. BLC, like all things in this game depend on your “luck”. But then from playing PvP for a year and a half off and on, I’ve had 12 ascended armor chests, 7 weapon chests and 14 ascended rings. I guess my luck is going else where.

A ToT bag you don’t want is worth at least 5s+ on the TP, where as account bound junk you don’t want is worth 0. I’ll take the 5s over 0c any day.

~EW

I’d rather give up guaranteed 5s for a 50% increase in chance of getting something very valuable.

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Posted by: EphemeralWallaby.7643

EphemeralWallaby.7643

If ToT bags were so worthless, people wouldn’t be spending hours on hours of their lives farming them.

I’ll be waiting on my BL chests for easter when I (hope) there’ll be the miniature-giving eggs… I wanna crack at my grail mini, the jack-a-lop.

~EW

(darn you IWN for convincing me that minis were worth having. :P )

ToT bags are worthless, unless you open thousands. I’ve opened around 1000, and have nothing note worthy. BLC, like all things in this game depend on your “luck”. But then from playing PvP for a year and a half off and on, I’ve had 12 ascended armor chests, 7 weapon chests and 14 ascended rings. I guess my luck is going else where.

A ToT bag you don’t want is worth at least 5s+ on the TP, where as account bound junk you don’t want is worth 0. I’ll take the 5s over 0c any day.

~EW

I’d rather give up guaranteed 5s for a 50% increase in chance of getting something very valuable.

A 50% increase of a statistically negligible chance isn’t worth it.

Plus, the way rare items go into a 4th slot seems to indicate that the generation of a rare item doesn’t work the way you and others seem to think it does. From dulfy:

“When you get an uncommon or rare item, you will get a 4th slot.”
http://dulfy.net/2016/11/01/gw2-halloween-black-lion-chest-and-vibrant-dyes/

That implies that the key/chest generates the shot at a rare, not each individual slot in the chest. In other words, there’s no correlation between your chance at a rare, and the amount of slots that exist in the chest.

~EW

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Posted by: Conncept.7638

Conncept.7638

GG Anet! please fix this. its a robbery

The only way gambling is profitable is if its theft. How does this surprise anyone at this point?

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Posted by: Lahmia.2193

Lahmia.2193

I bet all the guys complaining would probably demand their money back if they lost it at a casino. That’s the point of BL chests. They’re a gamble.

Surrender and serve me in life, or die and slave for me in death.

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Posted by: Fay.2357

Fay.2357

Anyone remember way back when Anet first released the permanent contracts in bl chests? Some guy made a reddit post saying ‘I really don’t like wasting money on all the consumable contracts, so I decided to spend $2000 dollars buying keys to try and get the permanent ones’.

Was good for a chuckle and showed so elegantly why garbage RNG boxes will always be profitable for companies.

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Posted by: CMM.6712

CMM.6712

I bet all the guys complaining would probably demand their money back if they lost it at a casino. That’s the point of BL chests. They’re a gamble.

Casino has free drinks.

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Posted by: SRoode.7318

SRoode.7318

If ToT bags were so worthless, people wouldn’t be spending hours on hours of their lives farming them.

I’ll be waiting on my BL chests for easter when I (hope) there’ll be the miniature-giving eggs… I wanna crack at my grail mini, the jack-a-lop.

~EW

(darn you IWN for convincing me that minis were worth having. :P )

ToT bags are worthless, unless you open thousands. I’ve opened around 1000, and have nothing note worthy. BLC, like all things in this game depend on your “luck”. But then from playing PvP for a year and a half off and on, I’ve had 12 ascended armor chests, 7 weapon chests and 14 ascended rings. I guess my luck is going else where.

A ToT bag you don’t want is worth at least 5s+ on the TP, where as account bound junk you don’t want is worth 0. I’ll take the 5s over 0c any day.

~EW

I’d rather give up guaranteed 5s for a 50% increase in chance of getting something very valuable.

A 50% increase of a statistically negligible chance isn’t worth it.

Plus, the way rare items go into a 4th slot seems to indicate that the generation of a rare item doesn’t work the way you and others seem to think it does. From dulfy:

“When you get an uncommon or rare item, you will get a 4th slot.”
http://dulfy.net/2016/11/01/gw2-halloween-black-lion-chest-and-vibrant-dyes/

That implies that the key/chest generates the shot at a rare, not each individual slot in the chest. In other words, there’s no correlation between your chance at a rare, and the amount of slots that exist in the chest.

~EW

Yes, but it is taking one slot away of getting a BL Ticket Scrap too.

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Posted by: SRoode.7318

SRoode.7318

And, the BL Ticket Scrap is worth 10% of a BL Ticket, which means it’s worth about 5-6G. On average, I would get one every 2 chests. So now I only have 2/3’s the chance of gaining 2.5-3G to get 5s.

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Posted by: EphemeralWallaby.7643

EphemeralWallaby.7643

And, the BL Ticket Scrap is worth 10% of a BL Ticket, which means it’s worth about 5-6G. On average, I would get one every 2 chests. So, that’s a loss of 2.5-3G to get 5s.

With the removal of boosters and the categorization of the item types, the loot tables and percentages have likely changed. You might not have lost that 2.5-3g scrap. You might have lost one slot and gained a statistically significant higher chance at the scrap, significant enough that the average output of scraps might still be around what it was… we just don’t know either way.

~EW

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Posted by: Manasa Devi.7958

Manasa Devi.7958

A 50% increase of a statistically negligible chance isn’t worth it.

Of course it is.

Plus, the way rare items go into a 4th slot seems to indicate that the generation of a rare item doesn’t work the way you and others seem to think it does. From dulfy:

“When you get an uncommon or rare item, you will get a 4th slot.”
http://dulfy.net/2016/11/01/gw2-halloween-black-lion-chest-and-vibrant-dyes/

That implies that the key/chest generates the shot at a rare, not each individual slot in the chest. In other words, there’s no correlation between your chance at a rare, and the amount of slots that exist in the chest.~EW

That’s how it works now. “Now” being the situation under criticism. It didn’t work like that before.

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Posted by: guildwarrior.6304

guildwarrior.6304

Mini Tamimi Warrior and a Revive Orb :/

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Posted by: EphemeralWallaby.7643

EphemeralWallaby.7643

A 50% increase of a statistically negligible chance isn’t worth it.

Of course it is.

Nope. If your chance for an item is .0002%, then having it change to .0003% is still statistically negligible, and thus not worth it.

Plus, the way rare items go into a 4th slot seems to indicate that the generation of a rare item doesn’t work the way you and others seem to think it does. From dulfy:

“When you get an uncommon or rare item, you will get a 4th slot.”
http://dulfy.net/2016/11/01/gw2-halloween-black-lion-chest-and-vibrant-dyes/

That implies that the key/chest generates the shot at a rare, not each individual slot in the chest. In other words, there’s no correlation between your chance at a rare, and the amount of slots that exist in the chest.~EW

That’s how it works now. “Now” being the situation under criticism. It didn’t work like that before.

Sorry, but I don’t remember anyone ever saying that you could get 3 rares in the black lion chests. If you’ve got link to such a thing, then that would mean you’re right and it didn’t work like that ‘before.’ If you don’t, then the chests could have been restricted to 1 rare at most for all we know.

~EW