Guild Wars 2

Vayne.8563:

Villious.8530:

Vayne.8563:

Sil.4560:

You don’t need to play GW2 at all. I find this manner of thinking tiresome.

But if you’re already playing Guild Wars 2 you’re not locked out of content by anything being offered.

Who makes more money a guy with a 1% buff that plays a couple of times a week, or a guy who runs dungeons every day? It’s just a non-issue trying to be made into an issue.

There are always some people who feel I must have the best stats possible an if I do not then somehow I can’t play the game.

I’ve played baseball. I was never going to have the best stats. But I still played and enjoyed myself.

It’s just not that big a deal.

I’ll agree that the little permanent boost stats don’t really mean much in the long run.

But what if the main thing you enjoy about MMOs are the skins? What if the stats don’t matter? If you don’t do achievements, you don’t get the nice looking skins. You might say that you’re locked out from getting them. Sure, I don’t NEED the skins, but as Sil said, we don’t NEED to play the game either.

I’ve never understood all the “you don’t NEED it” arguments either. What am I missing?

You don’t need it NOW. You’ll eventually get those skins just doing dailies if that’s what you want. It’s all about how FAST you need it, not whether you’ll get it. It’s not that hard to get achievement points for skins. So yes, play the way you want, and don’t let shinies dictate how you play.

Good, we’re on the same page, because I totally agree with your above statement.

Erasculio.2914:

Villious.8530:

But what if the main thing you enjoy about MMOs are the skins? What if the stats don’t matter? If you don’t do achievements, you don’t get the nice looking skins. You might say that you’re locked out from getting them. Sure, I don’t NEED the skins, but as Sil said, we don’t NEED to play the game either.

The issue with your argument is that you are not saying what would you have designed instead.

Complaining that you need achievement points to unlock the Zenith skins is somewhat similar to complaining that you need to do dungeons to get the dungeon skins, or to do all that to get a Legendary.

What would you suggest, instead? Making all skins available to everyone at the beginning of the game? This is not going to happen; since progression in GW2 is not as focused on stats as in other MMOs, the game has a system of progression based on skins which needs some kind of gate before giving skins. Plus, it’s likely that the Transmutation Stones are one of the most sold items in the Gem Store, so I don’t expect them to become useless any time soon.

With that out of the way, all we can do is improve how we get those skins. Using my examples above, I actually don’t like the need to do dungeons to unlock the dungeon skins, or all that grind for a Legendary. I believe we should have more than one way to unlock a skin, AS LONG AS THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE MAKING IT TRADEABLE IN THE TP (many and long reasons for that, which I won’t go in detail here).

Achievement points are perfect for that.

Do you want to just explore the world? You will get a bunch of achievement points. Would you rather just play dungeons? You will get a lot of achievement points for that. Would you rather focus on the personal storyline? Achievement points there, too. Other than relatively few achievement points for sPvP and WvW, achievement points reward near everything in the game.

That’s why I think the argument of “I want skins and I don’t want to get achievement points” is weak. What do you want to do to get those skins? Other than mindless farming gold, everything else will give you achievement points. This system is actually the best way to get skins in the game, considering the freedom it gives players.

Uh…..what??? I never said I thought the achievement point reward system was bad. Quiet the opposite, I really like it, and think its a great system to reward achievements. I was merely pointing out how I think the “you don’t need it” argument didn’t make sense to me. It’s been used on many game issues on these forums. Now like Vayne says, if your saying “you don’t need it right NOW”, then I totally agree.

Reading comprehension 101……it’s your friend.

Mirta.5029:

Villious.8530:

I’ll agree that the little permanent boost stats don’t really mean much in the long run.

But what if the main thing you enjoy about MMOs are the skins? What if the stats don’t matter? If you don’t do achievements, you don’t get the nice looking skins. You might say that you’re locked out from getting them. Sure, I don’t NEED the skins, but as Sil said, we don’t NEED to play the game either.

I’ve never understood all the “you don’t NEED it” arguments either. What am I missing?

that means that you simply don’t need to be the guy that hit 10K achievement points first. These chests are a permanent addition. Even if you only started playing today over time you’ll get all of those achievement reward chests. There will probably be more achievement reward chests by that point, but it’s just a thing to kind of look forward to, because sooner or later you are going to get them
People saying that you NEED to earn achievement points… If you don’t want to do all those jumping puzzles and all those exploration achievements – you don’t NEED to do anything. If you do 1 out of 5 dailies a day you’re still getting an achievement point and you’re still moving forwards.

LOL, please see my post above for clarification.

Villious.8530:

Mirta.5029:

Villious.8530:

I’ll agree that the little permanent boost stats don’t really mean much in the long run.

But what if the main thing you enjoy about MMOs are the skins? What if the stats don’t matter? If you don’t do achievements, you don’t get the nice looking skins. You might say that you’re locked out from getting them. Sure, I don’t NEED the skins, but as Sil said, we don’t NEED to play the game either.

I’ve never understood all the “you don’t NEED it” arguments either. What am I missing?

that means that you simply don’t need to be the guy that hit 10K achievement points first. These chests are a permanent addition. Even if you only started playing today over time you’ll get all of those achievement reward chests. There will probably be more achievement reward chests by that point, but it’s just a thing to kind of look forward to, because sooner or later you are going to get them
People saying that you NEED to earn achievement points… If you don’t want to do all those jumping puzzles and all those exploration achievements – you don’t NEED to do anything. If you do 1 out of 5 dailies a day you’re still getting an achievement point and you’re still moving forwards.

LOL, please see my post above for clarification.

I’m essentially agreeing with what Vayne said to you that you responded to recently. Now because we’re all on the same page we don’t need to continue the discussion.

Azure Prower.8701:

Amadan.9451:

there are no account wide stats that make you better than anyone else who doesn’t have those stats.

Yes they do actually. They make you richer easier. That’s self explanatory.

You obviously have no idea just how pitiful of a difference those “boosts” are

Threads like this are proof that these forums will complain about every kitten thing.

Magnus Steelgrave.6580:

Villious.8530:

I’ll agree that the little permanent boost stats don’t really mean much in the long run.

But what if the main thing you enjoy about MMOs are the skins? What if the stats don’t matter? If you don’t do achievements, you don’t get the nice looking skins. You might say that you’re locked out from getting them. Sure, I don’t NEED the skins, but as Sil said, we don’t NEED to play the game either.

I’ve never understood all the “you don’t NEED it” arguments either. What am I missing?

You dont NEED it… you will not physically kittening die if you don’t get them… they aren’t kittening oxygen they aren’t kittening water or food or shelter… you don’t NEED them… People are just acting like babies about this and its ridiculous.. If you logged on once a week for the entire month for a few hours each time and thats it, if you know what you’re doing then you should have an EASY 500 achievement points from the monthly (which is always easily knocked out in 4-5 days) a few dailies and 2 living story events… they make achievement points so ridiculously easy to get in 4-6 months anyone that plays regularly and has been playing for a while should easily have 10k achievement points… It’s getting ridiculous that they finally introduce something as good as rewarding people for their effort FINALLY and people have to find another reason to complain just because they can’t have something immediately or they weren’t as dedicated as some of the other players who log on ritualistically and grind out each and every new achievement (not me, im not even at 5k points right now)…

TL;DR… basically the game isn’t socialist even though they are GIVING these skins away for nothing (just it may take a couple months to get them all)… not everyone is going to be equal to everyone else especially when some people don’t have the time or necessarily the will to play as much or as hard as other people… stop the kittening because sitting on here complaining isn’t going to get you more achievement points it’s just going to get you further behind.

Once again, please show me where I said I didn’t like the new achievement reward system. I love it! I’m not complaining about anything. Just pointing out how I don’t get the argument that “you don’t need it” in a video game. What you need is totally subjective to each individual player.

Yes, it will take time to get the achievement skins. I’m perfectly fine with that. I’m in no rush to get them. It gives me something to look forward to later down the road. Wow, don’t they teach reading comprehension in school anymore?

Maybe I chose the wrong thread to point out my lack of understanding on the NEED IT subject, because a few folks totally misunderstood what I was saying.

Mirta.5029:

ThunderBadger.3049:

Considering that they are now offering GEMS as rewards for achievement points, I think the the “You don’t have to do achievement points” arguement goes right down the drain. Gems=real money so achievement points now = money.

1. You can’t exchange gems to real money
2. You can get to the 10K point by just doing the dailies and getting there 5 achievement points at a time
3. Gems is a reward for time spent. Achievement points are rewards. You don’t need rewards if you just want to enjoy the game and you should not get the rewards if you’re unprepared to spend a lot of time in the game. In other words my point is – achievements is something you earn and not something that you get for entering the game.

1. But you can buy gems with real money. And gems can be converted to in-game money. My point being that gems are MUCH more valuable than the average reward, and when achievements came out for the first time, they claimed that achievements and titles were going to be for bragging rights and cosmetic value only. They did a major leap backwards on this obviously with the inclusion of gems.

2. Again, as I mentioned previously, for people who have jobs and or a life, can’t sit down every day to work on points for dailies or monthly achievements. Getting 10k points takes a very long time.

3. Obviously achievements are earned and should not be handed out like candy. The problem occurs when the majority of achievement points are earned through content that is quick to disappear and takes a long time to grind. It’s perfectly fine if it takes a long time to do and is challenging. But being temporary content that never comes around again is the big issue here.

ArchonWing.9480:

See this is why hyperbole ruins your points.

lol 400 gems. That’s not even enough for a name change, much less makes them mandatory.

In the time it takes you to reach 10,000 achievement points, 400 gems is an extremely insignificant amount relatively speaking unless you’re like playing the game without a keyboard or something. If you want to complain, try the 30 gold. Though by my estimates, these achievement gold rewards are really just reimbursing you spending all this time on this crap. It’s probably better just to run Cof ad nauseum.

I don’t even have 4k AP myself, and I don’t really see myself being made “mandatory” to grind out any achievements.

True, 400 gems is a small amount compared to how much you could buy on the gem store. But we can probably correctly assume that as you accumulate more points, they will reward you with an increasing amount of gems the higher you go. Therefore, the more points you get, the more gems you will get later. Also, the 400 gem reward is for 5,000 achievement points, not 10,000. I’m pretty sure you will get a lot more gems at 10,000 points.

You know what else you don’t need to do? Kill people in the EB JP. “BUT IT’S PART OF THE GAME!!!” So are achievements.

Becka Williams.4978:

You know what else you don’t need to do? Kill people in the EB JP. “BUT IT’S PART OF THE GAME!!!” So are achievements.

I’m struggling to see your point and how the two are related in any way.

OP:

Regardless of whether or not Achievements are optional, it doesn’t mean you’re entitled to them.

Want the Dungeon Achievements and the 335 points that come with it? Then do them.

Want the 450 points from JP? You need to do them.

4% karma bonus is more relevant. 0.04×1000,000 = 40,000

Thats significant considering the amount of karma jugs, etc.

ThunderBadger.3049:

1. But you can buy gems with real money. And gems can be converted to in-game money.

And you can convert gold to gems. You know that 5G reward that comes with the 2.5K achievement points? That’s 200 gems right there!

ThunderBadger.3049:

2. Again, as I mentioned previously, for people who have jobs and or a life, can’t sit down every day to work on points for dailies or monthly achievements. Getting 10k points takes a very long time.

And now you’re once again complaining that it’s not free. Enjoy the luxury of not falling behind on gear and being able to access the rest of the content. In other MMOs if you’re not an absolute no-lifer you wouldn’t have such an opportunity.

ThunderBadger.3049:

3. Obviously achievements are earned and should not be handed out like candy. The problem occurs when the majority of achievement points are earned through content that is quick to disappear and takes a long time to grind. It’s perfectly fine if it takes a long time to do and is challenging. But being temporary content that never comes around again is the big issue here.

All temporary content achievements so far at most took 2 days (except for that new one where you new to melt quartz every single day for 8 days). If you DON’T want to spend your free weekends doing this like the rest of us do then you don’t deserve those points. On the upside be glad – you probably have a healthy and balanced life and a family that you enjoy spending time with. Why would you want to get the rewards that we spend our free time grinding?

ThunderBadger.3049:

Also, the 400 gem reward is for 5,000 achievement points, not 10,000. I’m pretty sure you will get a lot more gems at 10,000 points.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Achievement#Achievement_rewards
Actually no, it’s still only 400. and that 30G that comes with it is worth more than those 400 gems on the current currency exchange.

Azure Prower.8701:

Amadan.9451:

there are no account wide stats that make you better than anyone else who doesn’t have those stats.

Yes they do actually. They make you richer easier. That’s self explanatory.

And what is the benefit of being richer? Other than there not being one of course. I mean by level 80 everyone has max stat best-in-slot weapons and armor anyone, the stuff is basically free, so what exactly is gold good for? Skins? Yeah, buying a precursor or legendary skin certainly will make you more powerful…

MightyMicah.7451:

Achievments are optional. You don’t need it.

So is owning a computer, playing the game, having a nice job, sending your kids to a good school, eating healthy food, education, a phone, the internet, housing, clean water. Hell, even living is optional.

Using “it’s optional” as a blanket statement to shoot down any criticism is like saying “I’m either an idiot or I have no intention of engaging in this conversation, I just want to disagree for the sake of disagreeing”.

Shiren.9532:

So is owning a computer, playing the game, having a nice job, sending your kids to a good school, eating healthy food, education, a phone, the internet, housing, clean water. Hell, even living is optional.

Using “it’s optional” as a blanket statement to shoot down any criticism is like saying “I’m either an idiot or I have no intention of engaging in this conversation, I just want to disagree for the sake of disagreeing”.

But it’s true. You don’t need it to survive. So either you really want it and will do everything to get those achievement points, or you will understand that you don’t have enough time for it and accept the fact that you will have less points than everyone else.
what we do with our free time is optional.

As he said, even surviving is optional. It really is a nothing but an excuse not to provide a valid point.

Shiren.9532:

MightyMicah.7451:

Achievments are optional. You don’t need it.

So is owning a computer, playing the game, having a nice job, sending your kids to a good school, eating healthy food, education, a phone, the internet, housing, clean water. Hell, even living is optional.

Using “it’s optional” as a blanket statement to shoot down any criticism is like saying “I’m either an idiot or I have no intention of engaging in this conversation, I just want to disagree for the sake of disagreeing”.

Context is everything in communication.

We’re not talking about quality of life issues here like where you live or what you eat. We’re talking about a game you’re playing. Within the context of SOME MMOs, getting max level gear is a must or you’re locked out of content. Literally you can’t do the content at all. In many games you can’t even SEE the content.

In Guild Wars 2 the game doesn’t require you to get these items to see everything in the game. Even if you can’t get to high level fractals without BIS gear, you can still see every fractal.

It’s the same with achievement points. As fast or as slow as you get them, the game doesn’t vastly differ. What differs is the attitude a person brings to the game.

Some people have been trained for years to HAVE TO HAVE BIS gear and in most games, to play all the content, you do have to have BIS gear. But not this game.

So when someone says you don’t need BIS gear or you don’t need every achievement, they’re talking in context about a game that doesn’t require you to have those things.

It’s not about ignoring or not wanting to engage with someone in debate. You’re the one who’s not wanting to debate by trying to take an argument out of context to make a point.

Within the context of this game, very little is required to experience all the content, and get the most out of the game.

This thread brought to you by the same people who said “exotic gear is too hard to get” at launch.

Sil.4560:

As he said, even surviving is optional. It really is a nothing but an excuse not to provide a valid point.

not really. Most people judge optional and not optional by asking a question of “do I have to do this?”
“Do I have to eat?” “Yes” “Do I have to work?” “Yes”
“Do I have to play Guild Wars 2?” “No, but I might want to play Guild Wars 2” “Do I have to get a legendary?” “No, but I might want to get a legendary” “Do I have to get achievement points?” “No, but I might want to get the shinies that come with achievement points, so I’ll dedicate my free tome to get them”.
See the difference?

Mirta.5029:

ThunderBadger.3049:

1. But you can buy gems with real money. And gems can be converted to in-game money.

And you can convert gold to gems. You know that 5G reward that comes with the 2.5K achievement points? That’s 200 gems right there!

ThunderBadger.3049:

2. Again, as I mentioned previously, for people who have jobs and or a life, can’t sit down every day to work on points for dailies or monthly achievements. Getting 10k points takes a very long time.

And now you’re once again complaining that it’s not free. Enjoy the luxury of not falling behind on gear and being able to access the rest of the content. In other MMOs if you’re not an absolute no-lifer you wouldn’t have such an opportunity.

ThunderBadger.3049:

3. Obviously achievements are earned and should not be handed out like candy. The problem occurs when the majority of achievement points are earned through content that is quick to disappear and takes a long time to grind. It’s perfectly fine if it takes a long time to do and is challenging. But being temporary content that never comes around again is the big issue here.

All temporary content achievements so far at most took 2 days (except for that new one where you new to melt quartz every single day for 8 days). If you DON’T want to spend your free weekends doing this like the rest of us do then you don’t deserve those points. On the upside be glad – you probably have a healthy and balanced life and a family that you enjoy spending time with. Why would you want to get the rewards that we spend our free time grinding?

ThunderBadger.3049:

Also, the 400 gem reward is for 5,000 achievement points, not 10,000. I’m pretty sure you will get a lot more gems at 10,000 points.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Achievement#Achievement_rewards
Actually no, it’s still only 400. and that 30G that comes with it is worth more than those 400 gems on the current currency exchange.

Exactly. These achievements are worth a lot of in-game money, and not just the gems. Considering they were supposed to be plain old titles for bragging rights, I find this very annoying that they overhauled the title system into gigantic rewards.

No, I am not complaining that it is not free. My #3 response said “Obviously achievements are earned and should not be handed out like candy.” I agree with you that achievements (whether they reward anything or are just a title to wear) should be worked for and earned.

Why would we want rewards? Put simply, who doesn’t want rewards? If you love the game that you are playing, you would probably want the rewards that the game has to give.

That’s great that it took you two days to finish your achievements. It’s not as fast for everybody as I think you can realize. Free weekend? Just because a person has a job does not automatically mean they get a weekend off. Some people have 2 jobs, work overtime, and do not have the luxury of 2 days off. There is nothing healthy and balanced about it. What they do get is a free hour here and there, barely enough to finish a daily, let alone play the game normally. So here’s the thing: If the majority of achievement points took a long time to do, was very challenging, but permanent content, I would have no problem with it at all. None. Zero. Anybody can keep chipping away at it bit by bit until they get good enough to succeed at it, (or even fail and give up) and they have the time to do so. It’s making the majority of the achievement points come from all temporary content that really gets my cheese. Most people cannot sit down for 48 hours straight to get all that done in one sitting.

At least they aren’t exponentially increasing the gem rewards then…but yes. Still a lot of gold with that reward.

My suggestion for the game would be to limit the amount of achievements people can earn in temporary content, say, 3 achievement tracks or less, and confine the rest of it to permanent content. Not making it easier, not making it free, just plain making it available to even attempt.

ThunderBadger.3049:

Just because a person has a job does not automatically mean they get a weekend off. Some people have 2 jobs, work overtime, and do not have the luxury of 2 days off. There is nothing healthy and balanced about it. What they do get is a free hour here and there, barely enough to finish a daily, let alone play the game normally.

My suggestion for the game would be to limit the amount of achievements people can earn in temporary content, say, 3 achievement tracks or less, and confine the rest of it to permanent content. Not making it easier, not making it free, just plain making it available to even attempt.

See what you’re doing here?
“If I can’t get it then I don’t want other people to have it”
But this is the way MMOs go. They don’t care how many jobs you have or how hard your life is. They will go on with or without you. You don’t have the time to do the temporary content? Well I do. Why should I be limited in how much achievement points I can get from it just because you personally don’t have time?

Mirta.5029:

ThunderBadger.3049:

Just because a person has a job does not automatically mean they get a weekend off. Some people have 2 jobs, work overtime, and do not have the luxury of 2 days off. There is nothing healthy and balanced about it. What they do get is a free hour here and there, barely enough to finish a daily, let alone play the game normally.

My suggestion for the game would be to limit the amount of achievements people can earn in temporary content, say, 3 achievement tracks or less, and confine the rest of it to permanent content. Not making it easier, not making it free, just plain making it available to even attempt.

See what you’re doing here?
“If I can’t get it then I don’t want other people to have it”
But this is the way MMOs go. They don’t care how many jobs you have or how hard your life is. They will go on with or without you. You don’t have the time to do the temporary content? Well I do. Why should I be limited in how much achievement points I can get from it just because you personally don’t have time?

I don’t understand, how would that be limiting other people from getting achievements? It’s not taking away titles from anyone, it’s making them available for everyone. That is my entire point, I want everyone to be able to have a chance to get achievements.

ThunderBadger.3049:

I don’t understand, how would that be limiting other people from getting achievements? It’s not taking away titles from anyone, it’s making them available for everyone. That is my entire point, I want everyone to be able to have a chance to get achievements.

No, you’re just saying that after 3 living stories we should not get any more achievement points, so after 12 – 15 or more living stories you could complete 3 living stories worth of achievements and catch up to us. No thank you. I want the shinies from achievements too and I work for it. For example I just sat here killing griffons for the last 5 hours. Before that me and my boyfriend spent close to 7 hours doing all of the belcher’s bluff achievements. Before that I sacrificed entire 2 days to finish the full new living story achievements. I don’t get why I suddenly should not get points for it, just because you don’t have the time.

Mirta.5029:

not really. Most people judge optional and not optional by asking a question of “do I have to do this?”
“Do I have to eat?” “Yes” “Do I have to work?” “Yes”
“Do I have to play Guild Wars 2?” “No, but I might want to play Guild Wars 2” “Do I have to get a legendary?” “No, but I might want to get a legendary” “Do I have to get achievement points?” “No, but I might want to get the shinies that come with achievement points, so I’ll dedicate my free tome to get them”.
See the difference?

If the entire game is a “want” the the entire argument is moot. One may as well examine what one needs to do to get X level of enjoyment from the game itself, in which case tangible rewards come into play as a logical goal requiring those specific needs.

Sil.4560:

Mirta.5029:

not really. Most people judge optional and not optional by asking a question of “do I have to do this?”
“Do I have to eat?” “Yes” “Do I have to work?” “Yes”
“Do I have to play Guild Wars 2?” “No, but I might want to play Guild Wars 2” “Do I have to get a legendary?” “No, but I might want to get a legendary” “Do I have to get achievement points?” “No, but I might want to get the shinies that come with achievement points, so I’ll dedicate my free tome to get them”.
See the difference?

If the entire game is a “want” the the entire argument is moot. One may as well examine what one needs to do to get X level of enjoyment from the game itself, in which case tangible rewards come into play as a logical goal requiring specific needs.

Perhaps if one needs more enjoyment out of video games, they may want to move to a game that offers it, eh?

Sil.4560:

If the entire game is a “want” the the entire argument is moot. One may as well examine what one needs to do to get X level of enjoyment from the game itself, in which case tangible rewards come into play as a logical goal requiring specific needs.

If one “needs” those achievement points to feel happy in a game, then one gets some golden patience, goes out there and completes every single little jp, every single slayer achievement, every single current living story achievement, instead of coming to the forums to make a topic about it.

Mirta.5029:

ThunderBadger.3049:

I don’t understand, how would that be limiting other people from getting achievements? It’s not taking away titles from anyone, it’s making them available for everyone. That is my entire point, I want everyone to be able to have a chance to get achievements.

No, you’re just saying that after 3 living stories we should not get any more achievement points, so after 12 – 15 or more living stories you could complete 3 living stories worth of achievements and catch up to us. No thank you. I want the shinies from achievements too and I work for it. For example I just sat here killing griffons for the last 5 hours. Before that me and my boyfriend spent close to 7 hours doing all of the belcher’s bluff achievements. Before that I sacrificed entire 2 days to finish the full new living story achievements. I don’t get why I suddenly should not get points for it, just because you don’t have the time.

Ok, I see there has been a misunderstanding. I probably wasn’t clear enough, my bad. My suggestion was that as long as they are going to keep doing temporary content, to have a maximum of 3 title tracks per content update. So for each living story, you would have 3 tracks to work on, while the rest of the achievements that they add in the future would be added to permanent content. I’m not suggesting that they have 3 more living stories then “end” all the achievements. For instance, right now they have over 16 titles to work on for the Bazaar. I’m suggesting in the future that they include 3 of those being temporary, and the rest of them being permanent. I’m not asking them to take anything away, just to change most of them from temporary to permanent. And yes, it is important to be fair to all the playerbase. I have no intentions of “catching up”. Actually, there is no way for people to catch up anyway because all the previous stuff was temporary. But again, that is not my point nor intention.

ThunderBadger.3049:

Ok, I see there has been a misunderstanding. I probably wasn’t clear enough, my bad. My suggestion was that as long as they are going to keep doing temporary content, to have a maximum of 3 title tracks per content update. So for each living story, you would have 3 tracks to work on, while the rest of the achievements that they add in the future would be added to permanent content. I’m not suggesting that they have 3 more living stories then “end” all the achievements. For instance, right now they have over 16 titles to work on for the Bazaar. I’m suggesting in the future that they include 3 of those being temporary, and the rest of them being permanent. I’m not asking them to take anything away, just to change most of them from temporary to permanent. And yes, it is important to be fair to all the playerbase. I have no intentions of “catching up”. Actually, there is no way for people to catch up anyway because all the previous stuff was temporary. But again, that is not my point nor intention.

Oooh! Fair enough. I was indeed misunderstanding you. The funny thing is that there’s nothing stopping Anet from making achievements gained from for example mini games be made permanent. Both belcher’s bluff and sanctum sprint could stay without breaking the immersion.
I do agree with your suggestion now.

Craptrain.7203:

Perhaps if one needs more enjoyment out of video games, they may want to move to a game that offers it, eh?

As clever as I’m sure you think you are, you don’t seem to have understood my post in the slightest.

Mirta.5029:

If one “needs” those achievement points to feel happy in a game, then one gets some golden patience, goes out there and completes every single little jp, every single slayer achievement, every single current living story achievement, instead of coming to the forums to make a topic about it.

Who made a thread? Way to derail the topic there, with skewed examples, no less. I guess you don’t have an argument.

Sil.4560:

Craptrain.7203:

Perhaps if one needs more enjoyment out of video games, they may want to move to a game that offers it, eh?

As clever as I’m sure you think you are, you don’t seem to have understood my post in the slightest.

Oh no, I understood it. I was simply satirizing your attempt to wax philosophical about needs/wants in a video game. Perhaps it was you who failed to understand my post, eh?

Your post probably would’ve worked better if it had made any sense, oh wise one. Nowhere was it implied that GW2 is not enjoyable and in fact a very clear hypothetical example of a means to enjoyment was given by way of mentioning AP (whether for rewards or competition). But by all means, reproach me with your next pseudo-intellectual comment.

Mirta.5029:

Oooh! Fair enough. I was indeed misunderstanding you. The funny thing is that there’s nothing stopping Anet from making achievements gained from for example mini games be made permanent. Both belcher’s bluff and sanctum sprint could stay without breaking the immersion.
I do agree with your suggestion now.

Cool beans! Yes, that’s exactly what I mean, like with the mini-games as you said. I definitely don’t want them to take any achievements completely out of the game or anything.

Sil.4560:

Your post probably would’ve worked better if it had made any sense, oh wise one. Nowhere was it implied that GW2 is not enjoyable. But by all means, reproach me with your next pseudo-intellectual comment.

Craptrain.7203:

Perhaps it was you who failed to understand my post, eh?

You did it again. if you take a second to absorb what I’ve written before posting a response, it would make life easier on you, I’m sure.

My, you’re relentless. Keep trying. I’m sure you’ll seem intelligent to someone.

Come up with something new to say. It’s just the same crap again and again and again. Dead end effort. I’m reducing your score to a 0/10 for failing to be original at all.

Sil.4560:

Come up with something new to say. It’s just the same crap again and again and again. Dead end effort. I’m reducing your score to a 0/10 for failing to be original at all.

I find everything you wrote incredibly ironic.

Haven’t heard that one before! Still not original, sorry.

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Sil.4560:

Haven’t heard that one before! Still not original, sorry.

Tell you what, if you’re so offended and really want to engage in some kind of internet argument, send me a PM and we can do it there.