Maybe we’ll luck out and one of the designers will see the demand and make us a pair of pants. =)
Actually, they would not have to make them at all….there are plenty in the game, they just need to change the restrictions on them to allow light armor wearers to be able to use them.
They have said before that the reason that they can’t have mixing and matching across armor weights was because the 3 types of armor are “fundamentally incompatible.” From what they’ve said the problem seems to be dye channels that don’t match on the UI an each of the 3 weights have seams in different places. Heavy chests for example have seams at the waist. Medium chests have a seam further down. It’s probably really buggy, or even impossible, to try to get a piece with a seam on the legs to transmute to a place on the wardrobe UI that’s designed for a seam at the waist, and vice versa.
Very good ….but we are discussing pixels here, not real fabric. If, in fact, pixels dyed differently due to the programming behind the development of the image, then they really missed the mark. Reason I say that is because I’ve seen all kinds of similar “fabric” items not take colors alike at all So the next question would be, what general code can be adjusted behind the scenes, globally, to each particular dye lot to “smooth” that out?
I have no problem having my ele wear the medium leather armor look as a skin or even have leather pants matched with a cotton or silk top. So how would that affect the dye? I just don’t buy that argument at all. What I am hearing from that statement is a resounding “no” we don’t want to do that.
Not a matter of can, but a matter of not wanting to.
Maybe we’ll luck out and one of the designers will see the demand and make us a pair of pants. =)
Actually, they would not have to make them at all….there are plenty in the game, they just need to change the restrictions on them to allow light armor wearers to be able to use them.
They have said before that the reason that they can’t have mixing and matching across armor weights was because the 3 types of armor are “fundamentally incompatible.” From what they’ve said the problem seems to be dye channels that don’t match on the UI an each of the 3 weights have seams in different places. Heavy chests for example have seams at the waist. Medium chests have a seam further down. It’s probably really buggy, or even impossible, to try to get a piece with a seam on the legs to transmute to a place on the wardrobe UI that’s designed for a seam at the waist, and vice versa.
Very good ….but we are discussing pixels here, not real fabric. If, in fact, pixels dyed differently due to the programming behind the development of the image, then they really missed the mark. Reason I say that is because I’ve seen all kinds of similar “fabric” items not take colors alike at all So the next question would be, what general code can be adjusted behind the scenes, globally, to each particular dye lot to “smooth” that out?
I have no problem having my ele wear the medium leather armor look as a skin or even have leather pants matched with a cotton or silk top. So how would that affect the dye? I just don’t buy that argument at all. What I am hearing from that statement is a resounding “no” we don’t want to do that.
Not a matter of can, but a matter of not wanting to.
You’re not understanding what I meant what I said about the dyes. It’s not how they take up dyes, but where the dyes channels are located on the different armor weights. Each weight is set up to match the dye channel spots for that weight on the UI. They’re not set up to match all three UI dye channels for all 3 weights. It’s a UI mismatch, not a dye uptake problem.
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Honestly, at this point I’d accept a fringe jacket and bellbottoms for light armor, as long as they looked the same on male and female. (Actually, I’d like that for a druid, too.)
Sarcasm, delivered with a
delicate, brick-like subtlety.
Maybe we’ll luck out and one of the designers will see the demand and make us a pair of pants. =)
Actually, they would not have to make them at all….there are plenty in the game, they just need to change the restrictions on them to allow light armor wearers to be able to use them.
They have said before that the reason that they can’t have mixing and matching across armor weights was because the 3 types of armor are “fundamentally incompatible.” From what they’ve said the problem seems to be dye channels that don’t match on the UI an each of the 3 weights have seams in different places. Heavy chests for example have seams at the waist. Medium chests have a seam further down. It’s probably really buggy, or even impossible, to try to get a piece with a seam on the legs to transmute to a place on the wardrobe UI that’s designed for a seam at the waist, and vice versa.
I remember them telling us about all that. Maybe you can answer this question for me:
Could they just take an existing pair of “pants” for the Light Armor Females, duplicate them, and then delete the skirt so that only the tights/pants remained?
Maybe we’ll luck out and one of the designers will see the demand and make us a pair of pants. =)
Actually, they would not have to make them at all….there are plenty in the game, they just need to change the restrictions on them to allow light armor wearers to be able to use them.
They have said before that the reason that they can’t have mixing and matching across armor weights was because the 3 types of armor are “fundamentally incompatible.” From what they’ve said the problem seems to be dye channels that don’t match on the UI an each of the 3 weights have seams in different places. Heavy chests for example have seams at the waist. Medium chests have a seam further down. It’s probably really buggy, or even impossible, to try to get a piece with a seam on the legs to transmute to a place on the wardrobe UI that’s designed for a seam at the waist, and vice versa.
I remember them telling us about all that. Maybe you can answer this question for me:
Could they just take an existing pair of “pants” for the Light Armor Females, duplicate them, and then delete the skirt so that only the tights/pants remained?
They can design a pair of light armor pants without skirts. There’s already one ingame, the male version of the light Ascalonian armor. The problem seems to be that they have a certain look they want for the different classes and they don’t seem to be willing to budge on it. Not that they can’t design these looks.
Be careful what you ask for
ANet may give it to you.
Maybe we’ll luck out and one of the designers will see the demand and make us a pair of pants. =)
Actually, they would not have to make them at all….there are plenty in the game, they just need to change the restrictions on them to allow light armor wearers to be able to use them.
They have said before that the reason that they can’t have mixing and matching across armor weights was because the 3 types of armor are “fundamentally incompatible.” From what they’ve said the problem seems to be dye channels that don’t match on the UI an each of the 3 weights have seams in different places. Heavy chests for example have seams at the waist. Medium chests have a seam further down. It’s probably really buggy, or even impossible, to try to get a piece with a seam on the legs to transmute to a place on the wardrobe UI that’s designed for a seam at the waist, and vice versa.
I remember them telling us about all that. Maybe you can answer this question for me:
Could they just take an existing pair of “pants” for the Light Armor Females, duplicate them, and then delete the skirt so that only the tights/pants remained?
They can design a pair of light armor pants without skirts. There’s already one ingame, the male version of the light Ascalonian armor. The problem seems to be that they have a certain look they want for the different classes and they don’t seem to be willing to budge on it. Not that they can’t design these looks.
That makes no sense given that you can wear outfits that clearly look like a completely different armor weight.
Maybe we’ll luck out and one of the designers will see the demand and make us a pair of pants. =)
Actually, they would not have to make them at all….there are plenty in the game, they just need to change the restrictions on them to allow light armor wearers to be able to use them.
They have said before that the reason that they can’t have mixing and matching across armor weights was because the 3 types of armor are “fundamentally incompatible.” From what they’ve said the problem seems to be dye channels that don’t match on the UI an each of the 3 weights have seams in different places. Heavy chests for example have seams at the waist. Medium chests have a seam further down. It’s probably really buggy, or even impossible, to try to get a piece with a seam on the legs to transmute to a place on the wardrobe UI that’s designed for a seam at the waist, and vice versa.
I remember them telling us about all that. Maybe you can answer this question for me:
Could they just take an existing pair of “pants” for the Light Armor Females, duplicate them, and then delete the skirt so that only the tights/pants remained?
They can design a pair of light armor pants without skirts. There’s already one ingame, the male version of the light Ascalonian armor. The problem seems to be that they have a certain look they want for the different classes and they don’t seem to be willing to budge on it. Not that they can’t design these looks.
That makes no sense given that you can wear outfits that clearly look like a completely different armor weight.
Yeah, well I can’t figure it out either. There have been posts and threads for 3 years at least asking for more variation in looks. Nothing so far. If there’s a reason why they’re refusing, I’ve never seen it. I’m not expecting this thread to make a particle of difference either. It will go on the pile of other threads asking for more variation and be duly ignored.
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Except new armor, which is what she is asking for, isn’t supposed to be a gemstore item. It’s to be earned in game now.
I put it where I was told to put it.
Source please. Since both threads are about what people want to buy from the gemstore, then I doubt that’s an appropriate place to suggest it. They’ve already made a blog post saying that all armor will be ingame rewards. If they’ve changed this, then I’d like to see the quote.
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Gaile PM’d you and told you to suggest that a request for a change to armor styles be put in a thread for new and returning gemstore items?
/shrug. Ok. That’s unusual. I would have thought she would have posted that note here herself instead of private messaging someone on the forum to suggest it, but this works too.
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I do not feel that simple pants for light gear armor belongs in the gem store. So many other heavy and medium gear is available in the game to earn and, since I am not asking for a full outfit, only the pants, its seems unlikely to be considered seriously for that type of purchase.
If, however, Anet considers a set with separate pieces (emphasis on separate here) with simple pants included, then that would be a different story. I am happy with a lot of the tops and boots I already have, I just want simple plants without frills, lace or other combinations (“butt cape”).
I didn’t initially feel that it belonged there either, based on the fact that armor isn’t supposed to go into the gemstore any longer. However, if I understood correctly, those two threads are actually being read, hence why I was told to put it in there.
I didn’t initially feel that it belonged there either, based on the fact that armor isn’t supposed to go into the gemstore any longer. However, if I understood correctly, those two threads are actually being read, hence why I was told to put it in there.
Ok. Makes sense I guess. Though you’d think they’d would know about it already from the previous 50000 posts on this subject over the last 3 years.
But I can see it now. The OP posts a wish for new armor styles as ingame rewards in the thread for New and Returning Gemstore Items, and gets an infraction for an off topic post. ^^
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Here is what I have now. But, I do not like the drape of fabric hanging off the side of her pants. Nor do I like short-shorts no matter what is attached to them.
What I would like is to be able to get that entire look —- minus that drape of fabric and the lace short shorts that are called “pants.” Just plain pants instead.
What I did was to use the Exalted light human light leg armor and dyed it so dark that the “short shorts with tights” were not so noticeable. If they can just give us a plain pair of (waist to ankle) pants without lace or fabric attached to the side or back, I would be very happy.
So the entire ensemble consists of:
Berserker’s Seer Coat of the Scholar
Berserker’s Exalted Gloves of the Scholar
Berserter’s Exalted Pants of the Scholar
Masquerade Boots of the Scholar
…and the Tempest Loop shoulder piece
The pants are in game. It’s just that they’re gender locked. This picture shows them, but you have to imagine it without the top and the thigh high boots. Without the top and the boots, they’re a plain, simple pair of pants for light armor. I put them on my female Charr ele to get a clean, non frilly look on her.
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The pants are in game. It’s just that they’re gender locked. This picture shows them, but you have to imagine it without the top and the thigh high boots. Without the top and the boots, they’re a plain, simple pair of pants for light armor. I put them on my female Charr ele to get a clean, non frilly look on her.
Gender locked….great, which probably means my female human will not be able to even use the skin. I would be happy if I could get any pants skin to put over the current legs I have.
But you said you got them for your charr female? How on earth did you pull that off if they are gender locked?
The pants are in game. It’s just that they’re gender locked. This picture shows them, but you have to imagine it without the top and the thigh high boots. Without the top and the boots, they’re a plain, simple pair of pants for light armor. I put them on my female Charr ele to get a clean, non frilly look on her.
Gender locked….great, which probably means my female human will not be able to even use the skin. I would be happy if I could get any pants skin to put over the current legs I have.
But you said you got them for your charr female? How on earth did you pull that off if they are gender locked?
Charr and Asura females wear male armor by default. So, my female Charr ele wears male armor, as well as my female Asura guardian. The female version of that pair of pants that Humans, Norns and Sylvari wear has a short skirt and leggings.
Be careful what you ask for
ANet may give it to you.
The pants are in game. It’s just that they’re gender locked. This picture shows them, but you have to imagine it without the top and the thigh high boots. Without the top and the boots, they’re a plain, simple pair of pants for light armor. I put them on my female Charr ele to get a clean, non frilly look on her.
Gender locked….great, which probably means my female human will not be able to even use the skin. I would be happy if I could get any pants skin to put over the current legs I have.
But you said you got them for your charr female? How on earth did you pull that off if they are gender locked?
Charr and Asura females wear male armor by default. So, my female Charr ele wears male armor, as well as my female Asura guardian. The female version of that pair of pants that Humans, Norns and Sylvari wear has a short skirt and leggings.
hmmmmm it smells like discrimination to me…. (argh) Not fair at all.
The pants are in game. It’s just that they’re gender locked. This picture shows them, but you have to imagine it without the top and the thigh high boots. Without the top and the boots, they’re a plain, simple pair of pants for light armor. I put them on my female Charr ele to get a clean, non frilly look on her.
Gender locked….great, which probably means my female human will not be able to even use the skin. I would be happy if I could get any pants skin to put over the current legs I have.
But you said you got them for your charr female? How on earth did you pull that off if they are gender locked?
Charr and Asura females wear male armor by default. So, my female Charr ele wears male armor, as well as my female Asura guardian. The female version of that pair of pants that Humans, Norns and Sylvari wear has a short skirt and leggings.
hmmmmm it smells like discrimination to me…. (argh)
If you’re that unhappy about the armor, and I can sympathize because it bugged the living daylights out of me to have skirts and hanging down flaps of cloth on my Charr, maybe you should look into switching your char to male. Those pair of pants are from a dungeon but not too hard to get. It was a great relief to me to find those pants and get rid of all that annoying extra cloth.
Truthfully, even if they read this thread and decide to to make the pants, the likelihood is it would be months before its in game, and that’s at the earliest.
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But I do not want to change my human female to a charr male (which I do not even think is possible). I am not interested in doing that.
And your comment about them making pants is fairly accurate since its been in the forum discussions ever since Beta.
I am still voicing my opinion and hoping they see this feedback. I do not think change comes unless folks ask for it and convince them that it would be something the entire community would be very happy about.
The pants are in game. It’s just that they’re gender locked. This picture shows them, but you have to imagine it without the top and the thigh high boots. Without the top and the boots, they’re a plain, simple pair of pants for light armor. I put them on my female Charr ele to get a clean, non frilly look on her.
Gender locked….great, which probably means my female human will not be able to even use the skin. I would be happy if I could get any pants skin to put over the current legs I have.
But you said you got them for your charr female? How on earth did you pull that off if they are gender locked?
Charr and Asura females wear male armor by default. So, my female Charr ele wears male armor, as well as my female Asura guardian. The female version of that pair of pants that Humans, Norns and Sylvari wear has a short skirt and leggings.
hmmmmm it smells like discrimination to me…. (argh) Not fair at all.
Is it really discrimination, or just an oversight in a lack of choices? On the flipside, you hear medium armor wearers complaining about the lack of anything outside of overcoats. That’s why there’s so many simple pants for medium armor, and why female mediums wear pants more often than skirts. the overcoat takes the cake in most of the designs.
I have to say, compared to other games, GW2 is doing a pretty darn good job on the feminine equality. They’re not discriminating and forcing every single female caster to wear awful revealing outfits. A lot of the outfits look very combat-worthy.
For the Asura and charr, there were different reasons why they made it all male-based. (I think one argument somewhere, was that Asura looked too much like children so it would be a little too weird to give them the generic female style. Or something.)
But I do not want to change my human female to a charr male (which I do not even think is possible). I am not interested in doing that.
And your comment about them making pants is fairly accurate since its been in the forum discussions ever since Beta.
I am still voicing my opinion and hoping they see this feedback. I do not think change comes unless folks ask for it and convince them that it would be something the entire community would be very happy about.
Not to Charr, male or female. To human male, assuming you have a human female. That only requires a total makeover kit.
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I have tried playing a male character in many of the games I have been involved with, and every single time, I never made it past the first 30 minutes before I deleted said character and re-rolled a female.
I am not exactly comfortable playing a male character, so I will probably not do that. Although I have to laugh at myself for saying that…its just at my age, trying to play a male character feels so …out-of-character…. if you know what I mean. :=}
I only play female characters as well and because of the terrible light armor choices for norn, sylvari and humans, all my future light armor characters will be either asura or charr. Finding acceptable armor for my muscular norn mesmer was hard – frankly, she still looks a bit ridiculous.
My other two light armor characters are Sylvari. I don’t mind the light armor for them because I use only the Snapdragon skins over all their different armor. Fits because they are plants after all and leaves suit them. And this look does not reflect the ridiculous choices only the human female light armor have.
Gaile was in map chat last night and I was able to speak to her briefly. I thought you would be interested to know that she passed along the idea of generic pants for light females to the devs. She asked me for clarification on whether people wanted armor or Outfits and I specified that MY preference was a single pair of generic pants and not a whole armor set, which she passed along.
Obviously, there’s no guarantee that we will be given these pants, but I thought you’d like to know that someone at Anet was listening and made sure the request was heard.
Gaile was in map chat last night and I was able to speak to her briefly. I thought you would be interested to know that she passed along the idea of generic pants for light females to the devs. She asked me for clarification on whether people wanted armor or Outfits and I specified that MY preference was a single pair of generic pants and not a whole armor set, which she passed along.
Obviously, there’s no guarantee that we will be given these pants, but I thought you’d like to know that someone at Anet was listening and made sure the request was heard.
Thank you so very much…I would be very happy for just generic pants that I could couple with any top, boots, etc., already in game.
