Guild Wars 2

While I may have had my ups and downs in the last 2 years of this game, and may not always agree on the changes within the game or the gem store. I have to say as a consumer and one who has tried a wide range of MMO’s (I get bored easy), Areanet has the best subscription model hands down. Thank you for respecting me as a gamer first and a consumer second. If you don’t believe me check out what Trion is doing to archeage, 15/dollars a month for patron status, and locking crafting mats behind the p2w store.

So let’s hear it for all those happy the b2p model.

God I love the b2p model.

I’m still slightly disappointed about the amount of content being pushed out by ANet – but I feel that is partly my bias as not only a consumer but also another working citizen. Knowing that if I did my job at such a slow rate, I would get fired…and yet ANet’s worked slower than I would have ever thought convenient for almost a year now.

But yeah, b2p is awesome. I have a hard time enjoying WoW because I like to go out with friends, drink, watch movies, go on vacation during the summer and overall when all is said and done I’m maybe only playing 15 hours per month which makes that $15/month subscription utterly ridiculous. I don’t know enough about Archeage – but any game that sets me back behind a p2w wall or a subscription fee is a bad game in my book.

hannah mee.7925:

God I love the b2p model.

I’m still slightly disappointed about the amount of content being pushed out by ANet – but I feel that is partly my bias as not only a consumer but also another working citizen. Knowing that if I did my job at such a slow rate, I would get fired…and yet ANet’s worked slower than I would have ever thought convenient for almost a year now.

But yeah, B2P is awesome. I have a hard time enjoying WoW because I like to go out with friends, drink, watch movies, go on vacation during the summer and overall when all is said and done I’m maybe only playing 15 hours per month which makes that $15/month subscription utterly ridiculous. I don’t know enough about Archeage – but any game that sets me back behind a p2w wall or a subscription fee is a bad game in my book.

First let me say that I see nothing wrong with the B2P model (overall I enjoy it)…well, other than the game design bias towards gems—>gold conversion. However, how is $1/hour “utterly ridiculous?” I bet you spend 2-3x a monthly subscription amount in 1 night out with friends…heck, a one month subscription is like 2-3 beers at a bar… I think you need to reevaluate your cost/benefit analysis and put things in perspective. Both models work fine – there are times I wish GW2 was a subscription game as I prefer that model.

I’m here and NEVER paying a sub fee…..thanks to Anet for that.

azurrei.5691:

First let me say that I see nothing wrong with the B2P model (overall I enjoy it)…well, other than the game design bias towards gems—>gold conversion. However, how is $1/hour “utterly ridiculous?” I bet you spend 2-3x a monthly subscription amount in 1 night out with friends…heck, a one month subscription is like 2-3 beers at a bar… I think you need to reevaluate your cost/benefit analysis and put things in perspective. Both models work fine – there are times I wish GW2 was a subscription game as I prefer that model.

One reason I don’t Smoke or Drink, I save up money for other uses.

Once I have enough money saved for other uses, I could upgrade my computer…

azurrei.5691:

hannah mee.7925:

God I love the b2p model.

I’m still slightly disappointed about the amount of content being pushed out by ANet – but I feel that is partly my bias as not only a consumer but also another working citizen. Knowing that if I did my job at such a slow rate, I would get fired…and yet ANet’s worked slower than I would have ever thought convenient for almost a year now.

But yeah, B2P is awesome. I have a hard time enjoying WoW because I like to go out with friends, drink, watch movies, go on vacation during the summer and overall when all is said and done I’m maybe only playing 15 hours per month which makes that $15/month subscription utterly ridiculous. I don’t know enough about Archeage – but any game that sets me back behind a p2w wall or a subscription fee is a bad game in my book.

First let me say that I see nothing wrong with the B2P model (overall I enjoy it)…well, other than the game design bias towards gems—>gold conversion. However, how is $1/hour “utterly ridiculous?” I bet you spend 2-3x a monthly subscription amount in 1 night out with friends…heck, a one month subscription is like 2-3 beers at a bar… I think you need to reevaluate your cost/benefit analysis and put things in perspective. Both models work fine – there are times I wish GW2 was a subscription game as I prefer that model.

The reward from going out with friends is much higher than the reward from a video game? Maybe I’m just old fashioned, but I find that the social experience is much greater than the online social experience.

It’s not problematic if people don’t view it the same way, but I’d rather have the $15 a month I pay for a subscription to pay for other social activities besides media and gaming.

You don’t HAVE to pay a subscription for Wildstar either. Nor for TERA. Nor for the upcoming Archeage. What’s your point?

Lankybrit.4598:

You don’t HAVE to pay a subscription for Wildstar either. Nor for TERA. Nor for the upcoming Archeage. What’s your point?

Wildstar is subsciption based, after the initial purchase of the game.

TERA is kiddie porn

And let me know how archeage goes with the free to play model. Enjoy looking at all the subscription based farms.

Goldberg.4831:

Lankybrit.4598:

You don’t HAVE to pay a subscription for Wildstar either. Nor for TERA. Nor for the upcoming Archeage. What’s your point?

Wildstar is subsciption based, after the initial purchase of the game.

TERA is kiddie porn

And let me know how archeage goes with the free to play model. Enjoy looking at all the subscription based farms.

…. was just googling TERA… you where not kidding with the porn…

Lankybrit.4598:

You don’t HAVE to pay a subscription for Wildstar either. Nor for TERA. Nor for the upcoming Archeage. What’s your point?

Uh.. Wildstar’s threashold for “subscription free” is basically shelling out to their internal gold farm.
It’s the same as if GW2 told you to gather 1200 gems per month to keep playing.
That’s about 153 gold. Per month.

I’ve given ANet plenty of cash, just because I wanted to support it, specifically because it offers the good will to tell I don’t have to. And buying gems actually gives me something for the buy-in.

I was totally cool with the b2p model when I thought there would still be armor sets and weapons that showed other players what content I was playing by what I was wearing and wielding. When the game started we had that. 2 years in and the whole design focus shifted. That is all well and good, but had I known that it was going to shift so dramatically to a different style it would have given me pause on buying the game at launch for sure.

shudder archeage… Mob tagging, getting stuck on a quest waiting for one guy to spawn and is instantly killed, causing bottlenecks, and character collision the likes which make you feel like a ball in a plinco machine….

Oh! And you need to spend that labor you only get while online to open loot bags. Yes, in order to get some coin, you have to spend a resource needed to do the whole farming and build house and profession stuff…on a bag….

And let’s not forget dying causes you to lose XP. Thank god its f2p, though I’ll still never pay money and only play if there is nothing else to do

Wildstar got boring real fast. Just playing in the beta made me not want to get the game. Rift did it right with their f2p but sub gives you bonus XP, coin, etc. And you could get items to pay for that in game.

Gw2 and others at least give me the freedom to really make my voice more heard. If I like a patch they do, I give them money, if not, nothing.

I don’t understand the purpose of this thread. I don’t think a lot of people want GW2 to stop being B2P and embrace P2P or F2P+P2W. I would uninstall this game in utter disappointment and never look back if it changed to follow any of those models.

The recurrent complain about the payment model is that it’s entirely financed by the gemstore instead of expansions, which has a very negative effect on the game because a lot of things that should be in-game rewards are instead purchased on the gem store. So we basically get some content but not a lot of rewards.

I am a gw player since the days of prophecies. And i will stay one. Shure gw had ups and downs but i stand behind arena net. The model works fine. They reached a new ground in mmorpg developed whit live story and they communicating whit the player base. thank you.

p2p is pretty much suicide these days,
mark my words, ESO will be f2p or dead by next summer.
i’f you’re ballsy enough to charge a monthly fee,
then you’d better pump out the content to warrant it!

Liewec.2896:

i’f you’re ballsy enough to charge a monthly fee,
then you’d better pump out the content to seemingly sufficient gunk to shove down the playerbases mouths to warrant it!

Fixed

I kind of miss CoH’s hybrid mix of Free to Play and Subscription. But, I don’t think ANet can put out enough new things in GW2 to manage that model.

Not to be harsh, but at the rate they update the game, B2P with a store is about the only way GW2 can work. A new set of armor or outfit in the gemstore will bring in money. Adding it directly to the game, however, will not add enough content to keep people subscribed. (Yes, they could add a huge quest in to get it, but then they’re adding more than just that one thing.) They know what works for them, and they’re going with it.

I may be strange, but I would be all for a subscription option in GW2. Not p2w (I hate that) but along the lines of some perks. Maybe some gems a month? Maybe like other MMOs do and some kind of loyalty program. Maybe a buff of some sort. Who knows. Maybe with a steady stream of income they could push out content or whatnot faster.

I have no problem opening my wallet for something I enjoy and supporting a company that gives me that enjoyment.

ArenaNet gave me many years of value entertainment in GW1. I expect that to continue in GW2 and I am sure it will.

Thanks for a great game where we can simply take in the sights and be left in awww.

I find Anet’s business model for GW2 to be the best I have yet encountered in an MMO. Any time I take a moment to consider it I am impressed anew.

corbintech.7983:

I may be strange, but I would be all for a subscription option in GW2. Not p2w (I hate that) but along the lines of some perks. Maybe some gems a month? Maybe like other MMOs do and some kind of loyalty program. Maybe a buff of some sort. Who knows. Maybe with a steady stream of income they could push out content or whatnot faster.

I have no problem opening my wallet for something I enjoy and supporting a company that gives me that enjoyment.

ArenaNet gave me many years of value entertainment in GW1. I expect that to continue in GW2 and I am sure it will.

Thanks for a great game where we can simply take in the sights and be left in awww.

What’s stopping you putting 10 or 20$ per month on gems?

I don’t understand this thinking.

“I want a subscription” but won’t buy gems monthly.

If anet went subbed. (in any shape). I would quit playing. and I do buy gems here in there.
I just don’t support p2p. Even b2p, for an online was something I had not done before. I have no problem spending cash on the game. I don’t want them to ‘need’ to.

I like that I can pay cash when I want and get something from it.
But none of this, if you don’t pay monthly, you’re losing out.

It’s also one of the reasons I love that anet doesn’t give better deals on gems the higher amount of cash you pay. Like many other games do, I feel more comfortable just dropping less (more frequently.) then thinking. “I should really pay the large sum for the better deal”.

This kind of model works best for people who are cautious with their spending. And I love it.

I have no problem with the in game store being the ongoing revenue stream – it lets people that want to buy special items the option to do so, and those that don’t want to don’t have to. My only complaint is that I think there should be a bit better chance of getting a BL Key as loot. Sure, keep it so there’s still more chests than keys but it feels ridiculous to find all sorts of BL chests and zero keys.

On that note, I love dry top and the buried chests and hope those kinds of chests become available in other areas too..

it’s theoretically the perfect model for me……pay once, and then situation-ally via gem store, or gem to gold in a pinch when i really need it. i have a career/family, so I go through periods i can’t play much. I really hate games w/ pay sub-models…and would never be a customer of one.

but must admit i’m starting to lean toward the GW1 model of simply paying for the new content (expansions)….so that you actually get that level of content.

comparing the new content released over 2 yrs in GW2 to GW1….the lack of real content/features that would have existed in the expansion pack model is staggering…..
Luckily, GW2 started with so much more variety of content…and arguably the most fluid combat system in any MMO, that it hasn’t really bothered me until now.

love dry top….but add some new dungeons…new utility skills…new weapon sets…maybe a new race. PvP needs more than one game mode……WvW really needs some love.
not sure these things can happen in this current model.

Taygus.4571:

What’s stopping you putting 10 or 20$ per month on gems?

I don’t understand this thinking.

“I want a subscription” but won’t buy gems monthly.

It simply allows me to play the way I want to.

There is nothing in the gem store I want. I could convert to gold, but again something I don’t want to do.

If I was paying a sub I would have no problem taking any bonus gems I may get and converting them to gold. At that point the gems are just a side effect of the sub. I already have the unlocks I want on my account.

It’s just a choice one can make. Just like you have the choice to say no if you want to. There are games that do this now.

RIFT
Lord of the rings
ArchAge (will)

So the model does work. It’s about choice and why should we not be free to make that choice? Some would pay and net the game some monthly income, some would not.

I agree with OP as well,GW2 is 1 purchase that i will NEVER regret.Every PayToPlay model FAILS eventually and turns to FTP which just makes him poor quality game.I will never buy and pay for any PTP game and as for FTP games…i like them but so far didnt found any with quality of GW2.Sure GW2 lacks of end game content….sure GW2 gets boring on lvl 80 after playing for a wile…heck i dont even play it much (just LS and WvW seasons,events and such)….but i played this game for months till i finally got bored wile i get bored after 1 month of playing any other game.ArenaNet made good game that just need to upgrade more,to make more PVP modes,more PVE end game content…to listen the community and make BEST MMORPG game ever made.Other games that trying to do that fail right from start and there is no help for them after that.Keep it going Anet and dont listen to ragers on forums.

Goldberg.4831:

While I may have had my ups and downs in the last 2 years of this game, and may not always agree on the changes within the game or the gem store. I have to say as a consumer and one who has tried a wide range of MMO’s (I get bored easy), Areanet has the best subscription model hands down. Thank you for respecting me as a gamer first and a consumer second. If you don’t believe me check out what Trion is doing to archeage, 15/dollars a month for patron status, and locking crafting mats behind the p2w store.

So let’s hear it for all those happy the b2p model.

I bought GW2 because I loved GW1 (and all its expansions & bonus missions). I think b2p is a great money-making model. I also don’t mind the gemshop either. I’ve spent about $15 per month on gemshop stuff over the past year.

I swear p2w needs to be outlawed in this country. P2w is not a game. It’s a scam IMHO.

Egg Shennn.6240:

On that note, I love dry top and the buried chests and hope those kinds of chests become available in other areas too..

Same here! I love the DT scavenger hunt for those buried chests!

Serophous.9085:

shudder archeage… Mob tagging, getting stuck on a quest waiting for one guy to spawn and is instantly killed, causing bottlenecks, and character collision the likes which make you feel like a ball in a plinco machine….

Oh! And you need to spend that labor you only get while online to open loot bags. Yes, in order to get some coin, you have to spend a resource needed to do the whole farming and build house and profession stuff…on a bag….

And let’s not forget dying causes you to lose XP. Thank god its f2p, though I’ll still never pay money and only play if there is nothing else to do

Wildstar got boring real fast. Just playing in the beta made me not want to get the game. Rift did it right with their f2p but sub gives you bonus XP, coin, etc. And you could get items to pay for that in game.

Gw2 and others at least give me the freedom to really make my voice more heard. If I like a patch they do, I give them money, if not, nothing.

Agreed so much on AA. Mob stealing, quest hubs, and tab-target was unbearable.

While I like the ‘Buy-n-Play’ model, I wouldn’t get too complacent ANet, I’m playing a Subscription game at the moment while waiting, I admit, for ‘stuff’ to happen around here.

Agreed, GW2 blows all the others out the water. Has been a little quiet recently content wise but I look forward for whats in store in year 3.

corbintech.7983:

Taygus.4571:

What’s stopping you putting 10 or 20$ per month on gems?

I don’t understand this thinking.

“I want a subscription” but won’t buy gems monthly.

It simply allows me to play the way I want to.

There is nothing in the gem store I want. I could convert to gold, but again something I don’t want to do.

If I was paying a sub I would have no problem taking any bonus gems I may get and converting them to gold. At that point the gems are just a side effect of the sub. I already have the unlocks I want on my account.

It’s just a choice one can make. Just like you have the choice to say no if you want to. There are games that do this now.

RIFT
Lord of the rings
ArchAge (will)

So the model does work. It’s about choice and why should we not be free to make that choice? Some would pay and net the game some monthly income, some would not.

You are already able to play the way you want…………..
Adding a subscription with “bonus” gems? would make people feel forced into it. This is exactly what I don’t want. And steer clear of games that make me feel that way.

You want to change this thing…that you can already do???
You just need to pick a date, and add 10$ into the game, every month, ta-da, sub.

All I can say is that I much preferred GW1 than GW2.

In GW1 I either played alone, in pug groups or temp small guilds. I played for almost 4 years.
In GW2 I am in a large guild, and that is all that has kept me in WvW, after 2 I am considering giving up on this game.

So if you ask me Anet has not stuck to its guns when compared to GW1.
It hasnt listened to it’s community, but instead punished it.

Taygus.4571:

You are already able to play the way you want…………..
Adding a subscription with “bonus” gems? would make people feel forced into it. This is exactly what I don’t want. And steer clear of games that make me feel that way.

You want to change this thing…that you can already do???
You just need to pick a date, and add 10$ into the game, every month, ta-da, sub.

Or, I could have $14.95 automatically come out of my account every month. No worry about a date and forgetting and no accumulating things I may not need. Ta-da, sub.

I support a sub that might give me the things I want. What about a boost to magic find for those who sub? What about any subtle little boost that might make it worth it, while at the same time not changing the game for you?

I am not for a p2w model in any way. I am for playing the way I want to and you playing the way you want to. If I like having little boosts or whatnot that enhances my gaming experience for me, why is this wrong?

corbintech.7983:

Taygus.4571:

You are already able to play the way you want…………..
Adding a subscription with “bonus” gems? would make people feel forced into it. This is exactly what I don’t want. And steer clear of games that make me feel that way.

You want to change this thing…that you can already do???
You just need to pick a date, and add 10$ into the game, every month, ta-da, sub.

Or, I could have $14.95 automatically come out of my account every month. No worry about a date and forgetting and no accumulating things I may not need. Ta-da, sub.

I support a sub that might give me the things I want. What about a boost to magic find for those who sub? What about any subtle little boost that might make it worth it, while at the same time not changing the game for you?

I am not for a p2w model in any way. I am for playing the way I want to and you playing the way you want to. If I like having little boosts or whatnot that enhances my gaming experience for me, why is this wrong?

Because you change the nature of the game for all and it isn’t what the game was sold as (nor has that changed).
If you want to buy gems to buy your boosts (or whatever) go for it. If you want the game changed to meet your wishes —not fine. Infact I will suggest that you accept the games’ model B2P as it is now. If you can’t acccept it as is and aren’t going to buy gems--then it truely is time for you to move on and find a subscription game that would meet yours (or anyone elses for that matter) personal wishes. Good luck with that BTW.

I do think B2P is the best model, followed by F2P, and lastly P2P, though for me that’s just not even on the table.

I completely supported the idea behind GW1 and wasn’t shy about buying what they had available to spend money on, including all the campaigns, mission packs, mercenaries, whatever. I knew I’d do the same for GW2 the moment it was even announced.

I’ve now spent a good bit more than I ever did in GW1 and have to say am not at all impressed with the amount of content I’ve gotten for the money. I still think B2P is the most balanced and reasonable payment model; I just wish this game had lived up to its potential and not turned its back on the great foundations the franchise was built on.

F2P can be great too, but it’s best if that was planned from inception rather than as a fallback when subs fail ..and they need to not go too crazy and obnoxious with it. I have no problem at all dropping some money on a “free” game. If it’s not too pushy about it and I really do love what the game offers, I’ll almost certainly be willing to give some financial support. I’m going to do the math though and see if this is going to cost me an obscene amount of money to not be kitten or to have the “whole” game.

I didn’t spend much money on LOTRO because I found the quest packs to be obscenely expensive for the most part ..and the questing was lame anyway. I didn’t want to make such a huge investment to unlock quests I found tedious. As such, I reached a limit on how high I could effectively level without those quests. I moved on and didn’t look back. I don’t actually mind an a-la-carte system like that, but it needs to not be so pricey (and be better content). Other F2P games, however, do it better. If I can go to every zone, do all the content, and I can get to level cap and be geared like anyone else, I can overlook spending a little money on bag space or other such conveniences. The more I like the content / features of the game, the longer I see myself investing time in it. If it’s worth investing my time, it’s worth investing some money too imo.

I had high expectations for GW2 and spent time/money accordingly. At this point though, I’m not convinced that investment was justified and I’m wary of investing more. I wish they had stuck more to the GW1 model of less “stuff” to buy, and more expansions. I supported the gem store idea in the beginning, but by now I think it’s clear they’ve put plenty of focus on that and not anywhere near enough focus on expanding the game itself with features and content.

Kartel.2561:

I do think B2P is the best model, followed by F2P, and lastly P2P, though for me that’s just not even on the table.

I always like p2p models because of the sheer amount of content they roll out, however it’s extremely situational and I really have to spend some time thinking about whether it feels cost effective for me. PS+, for example, is worth it to me. I get a plethora of free games to play (most of which are extremely good AAA titles) for only $6/month ($18 every 3 month plan…$50 per year is cheaper but I’m too lazy to try working that into my expenses).

However no matter how good the model is, I’ve never really subscribed due to my own appreciation. I’ve never understood the hate against it though, saying it’s a waste of money. In my value system it’s a waste of money – but that’s just it, it’s a waste of money for me. It’s a value I’ve set on it, not an indictment of subscription models.

Lankybrit.4598:

You don’t HAVE to pay a subscription for Wildstar either. Nor for TERA. Nor for the upcoming Archeage. What’s your point?

Someone over on the AA forums coined it best…

F2P on ArcheAge is like a never ending Free Trial.

corbintech.7983:

I am not for a p2w model in any way. I am for playing the way I want to and you playing the way you want to. If I like having little boosts or whatnot that enhances my gaming experience for me, why is this wrong?

It’s not .. that’s why adding a sub to this game makes no sense. It’s not necessary to do what you are asking for.

The problem with p2p model is that it’s very easy to feel like you HAVE to play to get your value from the sub.

Goldberg.4831:

While I may have had my ups and downs in the last 2 years of this game, and may not always agree on the changes within the game or the gem store. I have to say as a consumer and one who has tried a wide range of MMO’s (I get bored easy), Areanet has the best subscription model hands down. Thank you for respecting me as a gamer first and a consumer second. If you don’t believe me check out what Trion is doing to archeage, 15/dollars a month for patron status, and locking crafting mats behind the p2w store.

So let’s hear it for all those happy the b2p model.

You mean this game isn’t p2w with precursors doubling in price from when I left at 600g now to 1200-1400g? lol

You’re pathetically deluded, they just put in a metric ton of gold grinds that are a roundabout way of getting people to buy gems to convert to gold on their store.

All new skins on this game have not come from content but the gem store as well. I’m willing to bet this model makes them a lot more money.

Do you live on some basement? 15 bucks a month is chump change. 2 visits to McDonald’s by yourself will cost you more, and that’s money you crap down in a couple of hours as opposed to a sub game whose content you enjoy for thousands of hours.

Goldberg.4831:

TERA is kiddie porn

No kidding. I think anything but a teenage girl playing one of the Tera races (Elin?) ought to result in a call to local police. The more adult looking toons are sure sexy but it always seemed silly to me to find toons in evening dresses and high heels tromping through the wilderness.

It’s not to say I don’t like the racy gear in GW2 but it is a matter of degree.

Really think they havè a good balance right now. Hopefully they maintain.

Zenith.7301:

Goldberg.4831:

While I may have had my ups and downs in the last 2 years of this game, and may not always agree on the changes within the game or the gem store. I have to say as a consumer and one who has tried a wide range of MMO’s (I get bored easy), Areanet has the best subscription model hands down. Thank you for respecting me as a gamer first and a consumer second. If you don’t believe me check out what Trion is doing to archeage, 15/dollars a month for patron status, and locking crafting mats behind the p2w store.

So let’s hear it for all those happy the b2p model.

You mean this game isn’t p2w with precursors doubling in price from when I left at 600g now to 1200-1400g? lol

You’re pathetically deluded, they just put in a metric ton of gold grinds that are a roundabout way of getting people to buy gems to convert to gold on their store.

All new skins on this game have not come from content but the gem store as well. I’m willing to bet this model makes them a lot more money.

Do you live on some basement? 15 bucks a month is chump change. 2 visits to McDonald’s by yourself will cost you more, and that’s money you crap down in a couple of hours as opposed to a sub game whose content you enjoy for thousands of hours.

If you feel getting a legendary is winning, you’ll feel this game is pay to win. But there are a whole lot of cool skins you can get a lot easier than legendaries.

The pay to win, in this case, is strictly a matter of perception.

I really don’t get the I must have a legendary to play this game crowd.

Vayne.8563:

Zenith.7301:

Goldberg.4831:

While I may have had my ups and downs in the last 2 years of this game, and may not always agree on the changes within the game or the gem store. I have to say as a consumer and one who has tried a wide range of MMO’s (I get bored easy), Areanet has the best subscription model hands down. Thank you for respecting me as a gamer first and a consumer second. If you don’t believe me check out what Trion is doing to archeage, 15/dollars a month for patron status, and locking crafting mats behind the p2w store.

So let’s hear it for all those happy the b2p model.

You mean this game isn’t p2w with precursors doubling in price from when I left at 600g now to 1200-1400g? lol

You’re pathetically deluded, they just put in a metric ton of gold grinds that are a roundabout way of getting people to buy gems to convert to gold on their store.

All new skins on this game have not come from content but the gem store as well. I’m willing to bet this model makes them a lot more money.

Do you live on some basement? 15 bucks a month is chump change. 2 visits to McDonald’s by yourself will cost you more, and that’s money you crap down in a couple of hours as opposed to a sub game whose content you enjoy for thousands of hours.

If you feel getting a legendary is winning, you’ll feel this game is pay to win. But there are a whole lot of cool skins you can get a lot easier than legendaries.

The pay to win, in this case, is strictly a matter of perception.

I really don’t get the I must have a legendary to play this game crowd.

Yeah, there are quite a few ‘mundane’ skins I like better than many of the legendaries, plus they don’t leave behind those silly footprints!

Well, im as in for the bads as i am for the goods.

Not talking about the bads already being discussed in other posts, time for me to also say thanks to Arena Net for sticking to this wonderful model. Theres no turning away from this. Once you have it, you will never let go.

I also wish that you ppl at ANet can make the right calls for the gw2 close future, so you can prosper and i can have fun.

\\//- Live long and prosper.

Tachenon.5270:

Vayne.8563:

Zenith.7301:

Goldberg.4831:

While I may have had my ups and downs in the last 2 years of this game, and may not always agree on the changes within the game or the gem store. I have to say as a consumer and one who has tried a wide range of MMO’s (I get bored easy), Areanet has the best subscription model hands down. Thank you for respecting me as a gamer first and a consumer second. If you don’t believe me check out what Trion is doing to archeage, 15/dollars a month for patron status, and locking crafting mats behind the p2w store.

So let’s hear it for all those happy the b2p model.

You mean this game isn’t p2w with precursors doubling in price from when I left at 600g now to 1200-1400g? lol

You’re pathetically deluded, they just put in a metric ton of gold grinds that are a roundabout way of getting people to buy gems to convert to gold on their store.

All new skins on this game have not come from content but the gem store as well. I’m willing to bet this model makes them a lot more money.

Do you live on some basement? 15 bucks a month is chump change. 2 visits to McDonald’s by yourself will cost you more, and that’s money you crap down in a couple of hours as opposed to a sub game whose content you enjoy for thousands of hours.

If you feel getting a legendary is winning, you’ll feel this game is pay to win. But there are a whole lot of cool skins you can get a lot easier than legendaries.

The pay to win, in this case, is strictly a matter of perception.

I really don’t get the I must have a legendary to play this game crowd.

Yeah, there are quite a few ‘mundane’ skins I like better than many of the legendaries, plus they don’t leave behind those silly footprints!

Same here. I could care less about legendaries I like the open world champ/boss models and the reputation ones. Those were the most fun on my Guardian for example!

However, even though there is a problem with previous promises concerning precursor acquisition I’m more concerned about the ongoing lack of rewards in the overall game. The majority of players login because of the carrot on a stick, and I’m one of them. If you don’t have goodies that are reachable in a reasonable time frame then it becomes boring a chore or a second job none of which is positive.

So there is ample room for improvement regarding sigils/runes, rewards, and loot changes.

Spent 1.5 hours on a lv50 fractal only to get a ring.

I’m pretty sure if you have to dish out the metric ton of gold to have 70 AR and happen to level all the way from 1 to 50, fractal rings shouldn’t even be in the loot table for lv50 fractals.

And I should never come out empty handed out of a lv 50 fractal. 50 should be the reward for fractal skins/ascended chests.

Serophous.9085:

Just wanted to address two issues.

Oh! And you need to spend that labor you only get while online to open loot bags. Yes, in order to get some coin, you have to spend a resource needed to do the whole farming and build house and profession stuff…on a bag….

This was removed. No need to use labor points on looted bags.

And let’s not forget dying causes you to lose XP. Thank god its f2p, though I’ll still never pay money and only play if there is nothing else to do

Xp loss on death is actually a good thing with the emphasis on PvP. It means death is meaningful. If you don’t wanna Lose exp… Improve your PvP gameplay.

Gw2 and others at least give me the freedom to really make my voice more heard. If I like a patch they do, I give them money, if not, nothing.

Obviously Archeage is not for you. I am glad you identified that right away. better than you spending cash on it, and finding out later that the game does not suit you right away.

Your bias is clearly evident.

I do think that Archeage will find it’s niche.

About the " sub fee" model. instead of thinking of Archeage as " a free to play game with a subscription option." I prefer to see it as " a subscription monthly pay 2 play Model, that has a lite version for people that wish to play for free."

Last time I checked. WoW has a subscription, and only let’s players play for free til level 20.

This lets players play " Archeage lite" for free.

Zenith.7301:

You mean this game isn’t p2w with precursors doubling in price from when I left at 600g now to 1200-1400g? lol

How can that be considered pay to win if the people asking 1200-1400g for a precursor are other players ?

Inflation is the new definition of pay to win ?

Also, how can acquisition of cosmetic items which provide no stat advantage over less expensive options be considered pay to win ?

hannah mee.7925:

God I love the b2p model.

I’m still slightly disappointed about the amount of content being pushed out by ANet – but I feel that is partly my bias as not only a consumer but also another working citizen. Knowing that if I did my job at such a slow rate, I would get fired…and yet ANet’s worked slower than I would have ever thought convenient for almost a year now.

But yeah, b2p is awesome. I have a hard time enjoying WoW because I like to go out with friends, drink, watch movies, go on vacation during the summer and overall when all is said and done I’m maybe only playing 15 hours per month which makes that $15/month subscription utterly ridiculous. I don’t know enough about Archeage – but any game that sets me back behind a p2w wall or a subscription fee is a bad game in my book.

GW2 model is great, the game is amazing, graphics, well its almost perfect. Only problem i have with GW2 is lack of content, end game and things, you know. You talked about Archeage and even tho the game is good, sadly is P2W, i tried the beta and was really disappointing. I wish GW2 release some expansion or something else new that we can play so i don’t have to be looking for other games (kind bored of GW2 currently)

tigirius.9014:

Tachenon.5270:

Vayne.8563:

Zenith.7301:

Goldberg.4831:

While I may have had my ups and downs in the last 2 years of this game, and may not always agree on the changes within the game or the gem store. I have to say as a consumer and one who has tried a wide range of MMO’s (I get bored easy), Areanet has the best subscription model hands down. Thank you for respecting me as a gamer first and a consumer second. If you don’t believe me check out what Trion is doing to archeage, 15/dollars a month for patron status, and locking crafting mats behind the p2w store.

So let’s hear it for all those happy the b2p model.

You mean this game isn’t p2w with precursors doubling in price from when I left at 600g now to 1200-1400g? lol

You’re pathetically deluded, they just put in a metric ton of gold grinds that are a roundabout way of getting people to buy gems to convert to gold on their store.

All new skins on this game have not come from content but the gem store as well. I’m willing to bet this model makes them a lot more money.

Do you live on some basement? 15 bucks a month is chump change. 2 visits to McDonald’s by yourself will cost you more, and that’s money you crap down in a couple of hours as opposed to a sub game whose content you enjoy for thousands of hours.

If you feel getting a legendary is winning, you’ll feel this game is pay to win. But there are a whole lot of cool skins you can get a lot easier than legendaries.

The pay to win, in this case, is strictly a matter of perception.

I really don’t get the I must have a legendary to play this game crowd.

Yeah, there are quite a few ‘mundane’ skins I like better than many of the legendaries, plus they don’t leave behind those silly footprints!

Same here. I could care less about legendaries I like the open world champ/boss models and the reputation ones. Those were the most fun on my Guardian for example!

However, even though there is a problem with previous promises concerning precursor acquisition I’m more concerned about the ongoing lack of rewards in the overall game. The majority of players login because of the carrot on a stick, and I’m one of them. If you don’t have goodies that are reachable in a reasonable time frame then it becomes boring a chore or a second job none of which is positive.

So there is ample room for improvement regarding sigils/runes, rewards, and loot changes.

I know a lot of people log in because of the carrot on the stick but I’m no way sure it’s a majority of the players.

Everything else you said I pretty much agree with. The rewards need to be more interesting.