Guild Wars 2

Zenith.7301:

The triforge pendant can be made ascended. Ascended backpacks can be made via TP mats.

P2W arguments don’t make any sense when higher quality items already exist, or was the fact that exotics being on the TP when rares were the affordable norm some other form of P2W someone forgot? What about the fresh new 80 guy in the game who won’t have the 30+ gold to kit his toon in lv80 exotics and runes and sigils? Will he claim that it’s a P2W model? After all, newer players can convert gems to gold to get their gear faster.

Stop this P2W nonsense.

No… they can’t you still need to do Fotm and hope for RNG drops of Vials or countless runs to get the start pieces, before you can start to make a backpack, no other way exists to make these things..

TooBz.3065:

(sigh). Why does everyone run to “entitlement” rather than trying to understand the point?

Because saying you are owed something is being entitled. You think that for some reason, you should get 6 times the amount of AG as other accounts.

TooBz.3065:

For example, suppose I had 5 children and you have 1. No one is suggesting that I should be able to feed my 5 for the same amount that you spend to feed 1. What is being said is that limiting us to 1 meal a day makes it kittening difficult to have more children.

Wooooow… that is the worst, most inapplicable analogy you could have made. Here’s one that actually represents the facts:

You have 6 children & make $40k a year & are saying your salary is anti-children because the person with 1 child who makes $40k a year & can buy more for their kid.

If you want to buy more for your children, get another job. If you want more for alts, go run fractals more. It’s really as easy as 1+1.

Also, if you can’t work out how broken it would be to allow players to get more stuff for every alt on an account, then…..

dont u read forume dude? ascended gear is optional/ isnt that much better/ easy to get (just do fractals)/ even easier to get now (laurels), so i dont really see the problem here…

were you for or against ascended gear in the first place? :P

Just to note, when you say P2W, there’s two types of P2W.

One where players can access, with time, everything someone can get by paying.
One where players can never access with time everything someone can get by paying.

Guild Wars is strictly the first. Though how “P2W” the game is can be debated since it’s preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetty easy to get exotics simply through playing.

Heijincks.9267:

As far as buying ascended from the TP, I’m not against it. The problem is that the ascended on TP would (or should) be much more expensive than their exotic counterparts, and with that you’d have to pay a somewhat high sum of money to get BiS gear and would lead to QQ about P2W.

Well, they should not be thjat much more expensive. Certainly no more than 2-3x higher than exotics. BiS equipment was supposed to be relatively easy to acquire in this game, and not require heavy grind/massive time spent.

DarksunG.9537:

TooBz.3065:

(sigh). Why does everyone run to “entitlement” rather than trying to understand the point?

Because saying you are owed something is being entitled. You think that for some reason, you should get 6 times the amount of AG as other accounts.

I’m perfectly okay with having to work 8 times as hard as you do for eq for my 8 toons. I’m not okay with needing to wait for half a year just to get one piece of equipment for each of them. In short, i expect that amount of work/time spent per item will be reasonable. One month per item is definitely not reasonable. Regardless how easy the dailies are.

DarksunG.9537:

TooBz.3065:

For example, suppose I had 5 children and you have 1. No one is suggesting that I should be able to feed my 5 for the same amount that you spend to feed 1. What is being said is that limiting us to 1 meal a day makes it kittening difficult to have more children.

Wooooow… that is the worst, most inapplicable analogy you could have made. Here’s one that actually represents the facts:

You have 6 children & make $40k a year & are saying your salary is anti-children because the person with 1 child who makes $40k a year & can buy more for their kid.

If you want to buy more for your children, get another job.

But here i’m actually prevented from earning more. No matter how hard i’d work, 8 amulets will still take at least 6 months – assuming i won’t miss even one daily/monthly on the way. And in that 6 months several more items will go in. If they’ll follow the pattern as well, i’ll still be collecting ascended for my alts when the next tier finishes deploying.
I may work 100x as hard as you do, but it doesn’t do me any good.
So, the first kids analogy was actually good, while yours wasn’t.

I totally agree that acquiring the amulets from the Laurels are completely unbalanced compared to the rings from Fractals. Whoever came up with that price scheme didn’t think it through. Just look at rings: 10 days of fractals and character based VS 35 Days and account based.

Fractals actually favors alts, as I can create more and get them to Fractals 10+ fairly easy and use them to boost the Relics gained to gear faster. It’s just more time spent doing the actual work.

The only thing I can suggest would be to have character dailies that rewarded the Laurels and have them be actual tokens. That puts it back to doing more work and not just prolonged time with no progress – then make the Laurel costs more in line with the previous Fractals costs.

People seem to forget that they will implement more ways of getting ascended gear like for exampe: crafting or WvW(badges, I guess)

kokiman.2364:

People seem to forget that they will implement more ways of getting ascended gear like for exampe: crafting or WvW(badges, I guess)

Like they added Laurels? Now we have two ways to get rings! Next they’ll add WvW vendor for earrings, amulets, and rings!

Once every vendor is added these threads won’t matter, but we’re discussing the here and now. Hoping there’s some kind of feedback actually taken in to account and future updates show they’ve learned something.

Pennry.9215:

kokiman.2364:

People seem to forget that they will implement more ways of getting ascended gear like for exampe: crafting or WvW(badges, I guess)

Like they added Laurels? Now we have two ways to get rings! Next they’ll add WvW vendor for earrings, amulets, and rings!

Exactly.

Which part of “Ascended gear is not fully implemented” you did not understand ._.

Where were all these voices last November? Did you leave the game? Are you encouraging more poor decisions from Anet through buying gems?

I’m recently back from then. Happy to see that Ascended gear is now available through boring PvE checklist grinds, but it’s a baby step and, as has been pointed out here, still a problem.

Czar Peter.7961:

ASB.4295:

Ascended gear is anti alt? Good thing you have a choice to not grind for BiS gear on every character. I could understand if you have the desire to do high level fotm with all 8 professions, but somehow I think you don’t have that goal.

The desire to wear best in slot gear is entirely generated by the player’s psyche, because exotics are perfectly able to get you through everything except lvl15-20+ fotm. You think you need to be geared up in prestige gear and have 15% more gold find on all characters? I’m afraid you’ll have to put some work into it. Unlike GW1, in GW2 max stat gear in PvE is a privilege, not a right. Okay, that analogy was kinda bad, but the bottom line is its not essential to deck out your characters in ascended until you are a dedicated fotm runner.

Keep your max stat privilege out of WvW and I’d have no problem with it.

It’s like you read my mind… but sadly this isn’t going to happen…

Rhotsbin.8579:

Where were all these voices last November? Did you leave the game? Are you encouraging more poor decisions from Anet through buying gems?

I’m recently back from then. Happy to see that Ascended gear is now available through boring PvE checklist grinds, but it’s a baby step and, as has been pointed out here, still a problem.

Awww :’3

How do you want to obtain the gear without making it obsolete like exotics?

kokiman.2364:

Rhotsbin.8579:

Where were all these voices last November? Did you leave the game? Are you encouraging more poor decisions from Anet through buying gems?

I’m recently back from then. Happy to see that Ascended gear is now available through boring PvE checklist grinds, but it’s a baby step and, as has been pointed out here, still a problem.

Awww :’3

How do you want to obtain the gear without making it obsolete like exotics?

Make it all “obsolete”. Thanks for condescending. People of your mindset really don’t get it.

Zenith.6403:

Orion.7264:

The additional stats are a huge increase, between 12-15% per ring and 15-18% per amulet.

- Ruby Orichalcum Amulet of the Berserker with Exquisite Ruby Jewel gives
90 + 25 = 115 Power
64 + 15 = 79 Precision
5%+3% = 8% Critical damage

Mark of Tethyos Houses gives
94 + 32 = 126 Power (9.6% more)
67 + 18 = 85 Precision (7.6% more)
5%+4% = 9% Critical Damage (13% more)
Also has infusion slot which gives +5 stat of choice

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Ruby_Orichalcum_Amulet_of_the_Berserker
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Mark_of_the_Tethyos_Houses

You’re exaggerating.

Nonetheless, the difference in damage output between full exotic and full ascended is quite substantial, because of the way stats interact. We are looking at a difference of roughly 20-30%, not even counting procs on crits, and that is a very conservative estimation.
I really do get tired of pointing this out, it seems every thread stagnates at the point were the uneducated masses claim that “the stat difference is minuscule”, where clearly, it is not.

Yeah, they don’t get the exponential scaling of pow/prec/critdmg.

kokiman.2364:

Rhotsbin.8579:

Where were all these voices last November? Did you leave the game? Are you encouraging more poor decisions from Anet through buying gems?

I’m recently back from then. Happy to see that Ascended gear is now available through boring PvE checklist grinds, but it’s a baby step and, as has been pointed out here, still a problem.

Awww :’3

How do you want to obtain the gear without making it obsolete like exotics?

Don’t understand the question. Making the eq easy to get in no way will make it obsolete. It’s not like they are some elitist badge that most players are not supposed to get ever, after all.

Orion.7264:

DR on Dungeon runs is character-bound. You can get full rewards on all three paths on one character, jump immediately to another, and get full rewards again.

Yes, in most cases this is how it works, but now and then I’ll do the same path back to back on different toons and get hit with what I presume is DR. Happens a lot with bags of wondrous goods not dropping, and I’ve even done a TA run where I only got 30 blooms from the final reward, not 60 even though I hadn’t run it that day on that toon, and not 20, even though that’s the expected amount for multiple runs.

Well some people need ascended rings too and quitting is better idea that dungeon grinding.

Astralporing.1957:

I’m perfectly okay with having to work 8 times as hard as you do for eq for my 8 toons.

No you’re not. You say you are to make it sound like you’re not saying “gimme”. But then you complain about how much work it is. Yes. Effort takes time. If you were really wanting to gear up you’d have a bunch of sets from running fractals now.

The Laural Ascendeds are handouts. Free gear for those that don’t want to actually work for it in fractals. I should know, that’s how I’m getting them.

Astralporing.1957:

But here i’m actually prevented from earning more. No matter how hard i’d work, 8 amulets will still take at least 6 months – assuming i won’t miss even one daily/monthly on the way.

I’m sorry, you’re right.. there is a magical force preventing you from running fractals.

Astralporing.1957:

I may work 100x as hard as you do, but it doesn’t do me any good.

You’re not working at all.. you’re getting Ascended welfare. Now if you ran fractals 100x more than the guys who ran fractals & they gave you no reward, yes you’d be right. But you’re totally wrong.

DarksunG.9537:

Astralporing.1957:

I’m perfectly okay with having to work 8 times as hard as you do for eq for my 8 toons.

No you’re not. You say you are to make it sound like you’re not saying “gimme”. But then you complain about how much work it is.

I am complaining about how much time it takes, if you haven’t noticed.

DarksunG.9537:

Astralporing.1957:

But here i’m actually prevented from earning more. No matter how hard i’d work, 8 amulets will still take at least 6 months – assuming i won’t miss even one daily/monthly on the way.

I’m sorry, you’re right.. there is a magical force preventing you from running fractals.

Why, indeed there is. It’s called “no ascended amulets in fractals”.
Funny thing, that you haven’t noticed that yet, seeing as you work soo hard in fractals, and all.

When someone uses “welfare” while discussing a game, it’s hard not to harbor disdain toward the frivolity of such arguments. Get a kitten grip. You’re one step away from throwing “socialism” in.

If you feel like defining people’s arguments with such terms as a lazy attempt to taint them by association to a boogeyman, please leave this thread. This is not a thread to passive-aggressively air out your superiority complex.

Abbehemoth.2471:

Because most playesr of GW2 never played GW1 and could not handle that system of “Hey, you are done with the gear grind!”. They feel like they need the obvious treadmill to progress. The creator of this thread is an excellent example of this, wouldn’t you agree?
I am not a supporter of Ascended equipment, which should be obvious.
I DO understand that you want to have the best stats possible, which is why the Ascended stuff is a travesty since it starts to create a gap but they are not mandatory or needed since there is noway to show ingame how a person preformed.

I played GW1 and other games and I’m terribly worried that the “I have to grind for gear, more gear, more stats, more gear” crowd are going to ruin this game.

I agree the introduction of the Ascended stuff was a travesty. It needs to stop. The release of better and better gear needs to stop now before it becomes out of hand and anyone who wants to play a game for fun, not gear treadmill, just up and quit.

When it get’s down to the simple mechanic’s of a gear treadmill, alts are my major concern. It is just not possible to execute a gear grind and maintain multiple max level characters in max level gear. This is one of the negatives of vertical progression. I have seven level 80’s and 11 character slots. I’m an altoholic. I thought that GW2 would offer horizontal progression and a safe haven, but that’s not the case.

When it comes down to the practical concrete level, alts are not viable in a vertically progressing game world.

I don’t like the current implemation of the daily achievment and laurels. Guild Wars 2 was a game that I didn’t feel like I had to log into every day. I could play when I wanted for as little or as long as I wanted. Now I feel required to log in every day to finish the daily achievment. Every day that I miss the achievment I miss out on a laurel which puts me one day farther from top stat gear. I often only have a limited amount of time in the day to play video games and it’s upsetting that in this “grindless game” I find myself grinding a daily every single day in order to keep up with gear in this game where “you dont have to grind for gear”. If Arena.net wants to implement currency like laurels they should learn from Blizzards implementation of the model. Blizzard gives you the entire week to grind your 7 days worth of dungeon points. You can do it all in one day or spread it out as you see fit. I just don’t want to be forced to log in every day to grind for top stat gear in my grindless mmo where you don’t have to grind for gear.

How about ArenaNet removes Ascended gear and, instead of adding grind to replace lack of quality content, actually adds things into the game strictly because they are fun?

At least, that’s the kind of GW2 I heard about 6 months ago.

But hey, ArenaNet is still infallible right? They’re always right… they must be…

Alarox.4590:

How about ArenaNet removes Ascended gear and, instead of adding grind to replace lack of quality content, actually adds things into the game strictly because they are fun?

At least, that’s the kind of GW2 I heard about 6 months ago.

But hey, ArenaNet is still infallible right? They’re always right… they must be…

ANet is not infallible. They created a ton of content, assuming that people would play it because it IS fun. What the first few months of live has taught them is that: their idea of fun is not the same as that of many players; or that many players do not play content for fun, they play it to get something; or both.

Zenith.7301:

Ellieanna.5027:

So are you mad that you need 30×6 laurels for amulets or that they can’t be shared? If a ring drops, you can give it to your alts. Most fractal stuff is account bound. And if everyone could get the items in 1month, won’t you be complaining that your bored with nothing to do?

I am mad about the laurels. I am mad at the amount of fractal dailies you need to do to gear up multiple characters in multiple specs because, while they are account bound, said items are also soulbound on use — unlike the karka items (which are perfect design).

And excuse me for not considering the gear grind/gearing up characters “content” to complain about. It’s not content — it’s busy work giving you the illusion of content. I have 6 classes to play on, with multiple specs to test and multiple game formats to participate in. Removing the gear grind won’t remove what I can do in the game — it will just not punish me for not committing to a single character with lesser stats.

And when you consider a kitten pendant will give you 20% more gold drops or 15% more karma or 20% more magic find, then that is one hell of a kick to the teeth if you choose to use another character besides the one that has that pendant.

THIS…THIS SO MUCH!

The gearing up grind is NOT NECESSARY in ANY shape or form.