Guild Wars 2

1 Vial of Condensed Mists Essence. Easy. Done!

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240 Philosopher’s Stone. I get skill points like nothing for doing the things I love… playing the game! No problem!

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50 Glob of Ectoplasm. Hmm. That’s a lot. But I can do it! It’s worth it for ascended items.

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250 T6 fine crafting materials. 250. T6. Fine crafting materials. Especially vial of powerful blood. What… the… KITTEN?!

Alright. I guess I’ll have to work at it. Farm these materials from mobs that drop them commo- oh wait. They drop on average like once an hour from the mobs you farm them from!

Not only that. You have every one crowding the best farming areas so mobs become very sparse very quickly.

T6 fine mats are going for MORE than globs of ectoplasm on the TP. If I were to buy it straight out. That would be over 70g off the TP! I’ve never had more than 30g at one time.

You can self-craft/create ectos on demand and yet there is only one way to get T6 materials that is determined by a low drop loot table. Don’t even suggest the mystic forge because for the price of the materials to forge T5 materials into T6, you could literally buy T6 materials straight out for less.

250 is too much. I’d rather be playing WvW or running some dungeons than killing the same mob over and over for approx. 250 hours. Please reduce this to a reasonable amount. Like 50. It’s not like we’re wanting an epic legendary grind.

/rant

So… craft one (MF) that does not require T6 materials?

It seems you didn’t look into the requirements to actually make it infused. 250 ectoplasms! and 5 of these condensed mist essences.

But I agree, this is pretty much my only real problem with the gear. It’s a long and tedious process of killing the same kind of mob for over a 1000 times to hopefully get 250 pieces of the T6 fine mats. It’s as exiting as watching a snail crossing a footbalfield.

that being said, we don’t actually know the requirements for any other equipment pieces yet (but there has been an awkward silence surrounding this subject though)

Yes, not even addressing the wrongness of grinding gear in a non-grindy MMO, Anet has added the mother of all gear grinds by any measure. Really grindy MMO’s are easy by comparison. I assume it has to do with the inexperience of Anet with gear grinds as they have been vocally opposed to them in the past.

Plunder.8195:

It seems you didn’t look into the requirements to actually make it infused. 250 ectoplasms! and 5 of these condensed mist essences.

But I agree, this is pretty much my only real problem with the gear. It’s a long and tedious process of killing the same kind of mob for over a 1000 times to hopefully get 250 pieces of the T6 fine mats. It’s as exiting as watching a snail crossing a footbalfield.

Don’t really care about getting it infused. Rather get the stats for general game play and WvW.

But even what you said. 250 ectos and 5 of the mist essences is still way easier to acquire than 250 T6 materials.

I’ll just be crafting the ones that only require dungeon tokens and keep the T6 mats for my legendary rifle.

Azure Prower.8701:

Don’t really care about getting it infused. Rather get the stats for general game play and WvW.

But even what you said. 250 ectos and 5 of the mist essences is still way easier to acquire than 250 T6 materials.

But you don’t need 250 T6 materials in order to get yourself a Ascended Back item.
You don’t even need one.

Azure Prower.8701:

1 Vial of Condensed Mists Essence. Easy. Done!

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240 Philosopher’s Stone. I get skill points like nothing for doing the things I love… playing the game! No problem!

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50 Glob of Ectoplasm. Hmm. That’s a lot. But I can do it! It’s worth it for ascended items.

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250 T6 fine crafting materials. 250. T6. Fine crafting materials. Especially vial of powerful blood. What… the… KITTEN?!

Alright. I guess I’ll have to work at it. Farm these materials from mobs that drop them commo- oh wait. They drop on average like once an hour from the mobs you farm them from!

Not only that. You have every one crowding the best farming areas so mobs become very sparse very quickly.

T6 fine mats are going for MORE than globs of ectoplasm on the TP. If I were to buy it straight out. That would be over 70g off the TP! I’ve never had more than 30g at one time.

You can self-craft/create ectos on demand and yet there is only one way to get T6 materials that is determined by a low drop loot table. Don’t even suggest the mystic forge because for the price of the materials to forge T5 materials into T6, you could literally buy T6 materials straight out for less.

250 is too much. I’d rather be playing WvW or running some dungeons than killing the same mob over and over for approx. 250 hours. Please reduce this to a reasonable amount. Like 50. It’s not like we’re wanting an epic legendary grind.

/rant

Totally agree with you.
As before, people who buy gems from the TP will have easy-life…and Anet will earn the only thing he’s aiming for….money.

lordkrall.7241:

Azure Prower.8701:

Don’t really care about getting it infused. Rather get the stats for general game play and WvW.

But even what you said. 250 ectos and 5 of the mist essences is still way easier to acquire than 250 T6 materials.

But you don’t need 250 T6 materials in order to get yourself a Ascended Back item.
You don’t even need one.

Please explain?

Azure Prower.8701:

Please explain?

There is a recipe that uses the Exotic back-item from the dungeon shop + a gift of ascension (also from the dungeon shop) + Vial of Condensed Mists Essence + Crystals/Philosopher stones

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Prototype_Fractal_Capacitor_

lordkrall.7241:

Azure Prower.8701:

Please explain?

There is a recipe that uses the Exotic back-item from the dungeon shop + a gift of ascension (also from the dungeon shop) + Vial of Condensed Mists Essence + Crystals/Philosopher stones

Is this back piece also a quiver that shows on your back?

Azure Prower.8701:

Is this back piece also a quiver that shows on your back?

It is not a quiver. It does show up on your back however, it uses the skin that was used in the event page for Lost Shores (the round thingy)

We don’t really “need” in the same way we don’t really “need” exotic items. But when you finished the Personal story, and are dressed fully in exotics (and map completion), then this gear is the last carrot to go chase. (and I think a carrot in a game is a good thing, it gives people something to do or aim for in a game.)
And this one doesn’t look particularly inspiring

lordkrall.7241:

Azure Prower.8701:

Please explain?

There is a recipe that uses the Exotic back-item from the dungeon shop + a gift of ascension (also from the dungeon shop) + Vial of Condensed Mists Essence + Crystals/Philosopher stones

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Prototype_Fractal_Capacitor_

It’s not this though:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Quiver_of_Swift_Flight

As a short bow user. This is a must.

Azure Prower.8701:

lordkrall.7241:

Azure Prower.8701:

Please explain?

There is a recipe that uses the Exotic back-item from the dungeon shop + a gift of ascension (also from the dungeon shop) + Vial of Condensed Mists Essence + Crystals/Philosopher stones

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Prototype_Fractal_Capacitor_

It’s not this though:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Quiver_of_Swift_Flight

As a short bow user. This is a must.

Do you mean the quiver skin?

If so, ya, I’ll bite. I spent a lot of gold to get that skin. :P

lordkrall.7241:

Azure Prower.8701:

Please explain?

There is a recipe that uses the Exotic back-item from the dungeon shop + a gift of ascension (also from the dungeon shop) + Vial of Condensed Mists Essence + Crystals/Philosopher stones

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Prototype_Fractal_Capacitor_

OH! That’s good to know! I was unaware of this, it makes me much happier.

Azure Prower.8701:

It’s not this though:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Quiver_of_Swift_Flight

As a short bow user. This is a must.

I believe one of the random drops in the chests in higher levels of FotM does drop a exotic back item with Quiver skin. So you could transmute it ^^

[Edit]
I actually detest Ascended items in their totality and will never play the game again until they are removed. That part wasn’t sarcasm or anything.

[Edited by CC: Quote removed. Users were provoked the examples.]

If you’re only trying to farm t6 crafting materials you’re doing it wrong. You should be farming t5 materials and upgrading them. You will also get a few t6 drops in this process, too.

It’s very easy to get 100+ potent bloods in an hour or two from various spots in Frostgorge.

Yeah it’s a bit tedious but it’s a much more reliable method than actually seeking out just t6 crafting materials. You should be able to get all the powerful bloods you need in a week or two of light farming (1-2 hours a day).

This goes for people trying to get t6 materials for legendary weapons too. Also, you get t6 materials from making mystic clovers.

fellyn.5083:

If you’re only trying to farm t6 crafting materials you’re doing it wrong. You should be farming t5 materials and upgrading them. You will also get a few t6 drops in this process, too.

It’s very easy to get 100+ potent bloods in an hour or two from various spots in Frostgorge.

Yeah it’s a bit tedious but it’s a much more reliable method than actually seeking out just t6 crafting materials.

Azure Prower.8701:

Don’t even suggest the mystic forge because for the price of the materials to forge T5 materials into T6, you could literally buy T6 materials straight out for less.

[Edit]

Ascended items give the bearer advantage outside of fractals, and more importantly diminish the ability of other players to tag up on mobs.

[Edited by CC: Quote removed]

fellyn.5083:

If you’re only trying to farm t6 crafting materials you’re doing it wrong. You should be farming t5 materials and upgrading them. You will also get a few t6 drops in this process, too.

It’s very easy to get 100+ potent bloods in an hour or two from various spots in Frostgorge.

Yeah it’s a bit tedious but it’s a much more reliable method than actually seeking out just t6 crafting materials.

But I need those to craft rares and salvage them to get my ectoplasms.
But yes, if you have enough of the ecto’s is probably the best way to do it.

Plunder.8195:

fellyn.5083:

If you’re only trying to farm t6 crafting materials you’re doing it wrong. You should be farming t5 materials and upgrading them. You will also get a few t6 drops in this process, too.

It’s very easy to get 100+ potent bloods in an hour or two from various spots in Frostgorge.

Yeah it’s a bit tedious but it’s a much more reliable method than actually seeking out just t6 crafting materials.

But I need those to craft rares and salvage them to get my ectoplasms.
But yes, if you have enough of the ecto’s is probably the best way to do it.

He’s also forgetting to mention you also need http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Pile_of_Crystalline_Dust to make the conversion.

Some thing not so easily farmed nor cheap on the TP. Trust me. It is not worth it. It’s like trading 5 T6 mats PLUS extra for… 5-7 T6 mats.

Azure Prower.8701:

fellyn.5083:

If you’re only trying to farm t6 crafting materials you’re doing it wrong. You should be farming t5 materials and upgrading them. You will also get a few t6 drops in this process, too.

It’s very easy to get 100+ potent bloods in an hour or two from various spots in Frostgorge.

Yeah it’s a bit tedious but it’s a much more reliable method than actually seeking out just t6 crafting materials.

Azure Prower.8701:

Don’t even suggest the mystic forge because for the price of the materials to forge T5 materials into T6, you could literally buy T6 materials straight out for less.

So what are your alternatives if it’s not upgrading t5 materials or buying them outright off the market.

You’re farming t5 materials to convert. The cost to you is minimal at the worst. You might have to buy some crystalline dust but that’s all. You could get anywhere from 20-30 t6 materials an hour by upgrading t5 materials you farm yourself.

I think you missed my point entirely.

Azure Prower.8701:

Plunder.8195:

fellyn.5083:

If you’re only trying to farm t6 crafting materials you’re doing it wrong. You should be farming t5 materials and upgrading them. You will also get a few t6 drops in this process, too.

It’s very easy to get 100+ potent bloods in an hour or two from various spots in Frostgorge.

Yeah it’s a bit tedious but it’s a much more reliable method than actually seeking out just t6 crafting materials.

But I need those to craft rares and salvage them to get my ectoplasms.
But yes, if you have enough of the ecto’s is probably the best way to do it.

He’s also forgetting to mention you also need http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Pile_of_Crystalline_Dust to make the conversion.

Some thing not so easily farmed nor cheap on the TP. Trust me. It is not worth it. It’s like trading 5 T6 mats PLUS extra for… 5-7 T6 mats.

Here’s what it takes:

50 of the t5 material
1 of the t6 material
5 crystalline dust
5 philosophers stones – you get 10 per 1 skill point

If you farm all the t5 materials yourself you’re still getting other weapon and armor drops that will more than cover the cost of the dust, which is likely the only thing you will need to spend any gold on.

fellyn.5083:

Azure Prower.8701:

fellyn.5083:

If you’re only trying to farm t6 crafting materials you’re doing it wrong. You should be farming t5 materials and upgrading them. You will also get a few t6 drops in this process, too.

It’s very easy to get 100+ potent bloods in an hour or two from various spots in Frostgorge.

Yeah it’s a bit tedious but it’s a much more reliable method than actually seeking out just t6 crafting materials.

Azure Prower.8701:

Don’t even suggest the mystic forge because for the price of the materials to forge T5 materials into T6, you could literally buy T6 materials straight out for less.

So what are your alternatives if it’s not upgrading t5 materials or buying them outright off the market.

You’re farming t5 materials to convert. The cost to you is minimal at the worst. You might have to buy some crystalline dust but that’s all. You could get anywhere from 20-30 t6 materials an hour by upgrading t5 materials you farm yourself.

I think you missed my point entirely.

When selling the t5 materials on the TP and buying out T6 materials is cheaper. It’s not really an option at all.

Azure Prower.8701:

fellyn.5083:

Azure Prower.8701:

fellyn.5083:

If you’re only trying to farm t6 crafting materials you’re doing it wrong. You should be farming t5 materials and upgrading them. You will also get a few t6 drops in this process, too.

It’s very easy to get 100+ potent bloods in an hour or two from various spots in Frostgorge.

Yeah it’s a bit tedious but it’s a much more reliable method than actually seeking out just t6 crafting materials.

Azure Prower.8701:

Don’t even suggest the mystic forge because for the price of the materials to forge T5 materials into T6, you could literally buy T6 materials straight out for less.

So what are your alternatives if it’s not upgrading t5 materials or buying them outright off the market.

You’re farming t5 materials to convert. The cost to you is minimal at the worst. You might have to buy some crystalline dust but that’s all. You could get anywhere from 20-30 t6 materials an hour by upgrading t5 materials you farm yourself.

I think you missed my point entirely.

When selling the t5 materials on the TP and buying out T6 materials is cheaper. It’s not really an option at all.

Okay? So just farm t5 materials, sell them, buy t6 materials. I don’t see where the problem is*?

Either way farming t5 materials is the best way to get your t6 materials.

*besides the fact that t6 materials have horrid drop rates to begin with

You can get an ascended backpack also with few runs in the fotm

1800+ tokens XD

You get 15 per run so its perfectly balanced…..for a korean grinding mmorpg.

@fellyn people buy t5 materials to transmute in T6…..with taxes is not a viable solution….

fellyn.5083:

Azure Prower.8701:

fellyn.5083:

Azure Prower.8701:

fellyn.5083:

If you’re only trying to farm t6 crafting materials you’re doing it wrong. You should be farming t5 materials and upgrading them. You will also get a few t6 drops in this process, too.

It’s very easy to get 100+ potent bloods in an hour or two from various spots in Frostgorge.

Yeah it’s a bit tedious but it’s a much more reliable method than actually seeking out just t6 crafting materials.

Azure Prower.8701:

Don’t even suggest the mystic forge because for the price of the materials to forge T5 materials into T6, you could literally buy T6 materials straight out for less.

So what are your alternatives if it’s not upgrading t5 materials or buying them outright off the market.

You’re farming t5 materials to convert. The cost to you is minimal at the worst. You might have to buy some crystalline dust but that’s all. You could get anywhere from 20-30 t6 materials an hour by upgrading t5 materials you farm yourself.

I think you missed my point entirely.

When selling the t5 materials on the TP and buying out T6 materials is cheaper. It’s not really an option at all.

Okay? So just farm t5 materials, sell them, buy t6 materials. I don’t see where the problem is*?

Either way farming t5 materials is the best way to get your t6 materials.

*besides the fact that t6 materials have horrid drop rates to begin with

50 of the t5 material, 1 of the t6 material, 5 crystalline dust is worth more than 5-7 t6 material.

So just to recap in price.

50 of the t5 material, 1 of the t6 material, 5 crystalline dust > 5-7 t6 material.

Even if you do sell T5s which you need for ectos. That is still a horrid rate of obtaining them.

Personally I’d rather farm the Potent Blood than do 100 fractals, but I guess it doesn’t matter other than obsidian shards I wouldn’t be spending the tokens on anything else.

I too think that 250 is too much because of the drop rate is so low currently.
The situation is this game keep releaseing new stuff that “we don’t need”, and I give up on it when I saw the recipe. It doesn’t matter, the only downside is just losing interest to login the game.

You wanted “longterm-goals”, now go for it. Happy grind!

IonicBlaze.7948:

You wanted “longterm-goals”, now go for it. Happy grind!

Agreed.

It’s not the ascended requirements that are unreasonable, it’s the presence of these items at all.

This is one aspect I think Arenanet made mistakes. I think most people who played MMO consider gear(stats) is a fundamental need by everyone and should be obtainable within reasonable effort. For vanity items and cosmetics, people are more forgiving even if the drop rate are near impossible to get.

This is one part I think that Blizzard balance fairly well in WoW, they made gear(stats) fairly reasonable to obtain with some effort, but some vanity items for example like some special mounts (strat UD mount) had like 0.1% drop rate but people in general was still okay with it and would mindlessly grind for it.

Seems like Arenanet totally went the opposite way by making the gear much harder to obtain than vanity/cosmetics items.

Rynarx.6124:

This is one aspect I think Arenanet made mistakes. I think most people who played MMO consider gear(stats) is a fundamental need by everyone and should be obtainable within reasonable effort. For vanity items and cosmetics, people are more forgiving even if the drop rate are near impossible to get.

This is one part I think that Blizzard balance fairly well in WoW, they made gear(stats) fairly reasonable to obtain with some effort, but some vanity items for example like some special mounts (strat UD mount) had like 0.1% drop rate but people in general was still okay with it and would mindlessly grind for it.

Seems like Arenanet totally went the opposite way by making the gear much harder to obtain than vanity/cosmetics items.

When I wear special gear to down content, I feel like i’ve cheated.

plasmacutter.2709:

IonicBlaze.7948:

You wanted “longterm-goals”, now go for it. Happy grind!

Agreed.

It’s not the ascended requirements that are unreasonable, it’s the presence of these items at all.

It’s the combination. If they were easy to get, there wouldn’t be a problem. If they weren’t better than exotics, there wouldn’t be a problem. Unfortunately they are both better, and hard to get.

Rynarx.6124:

This is one part I think that Blizzard balance fairly well in WoW, they made gear(stats) fairly reasonable to obtain with some effort, but some vanity items for example like some special mounts (strat UD mount) had like 0.1% drop rate but people in general was still okay with it and would mindlessly grind for it.

You’ve got to be joking.

Take an OP trinket, give it a miniscule drop rate and put it on a ginormous loot table, then hope the Raid Leader, Guild Master, Loot Council, Ninja Looter or heaven forbid another layer of RNG with rolling for the darn thing doesn’t get it first. Then lock the instance so you can only run it once per week for extra special fun!

All it did is if you were lucky one tier and got the drop, you were “good” that season. If you were unlucky, you couldn’t get on a decent RBG team or in a decent raiding guild – you “sucked”.

Blizzard’s system is terrible, the GW2 fans know it and laugh when you say it’s better. Go home, blizzdrone, you can quit trying to sell WoW here, we don’t want any

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You don’t NEED the infusion for anything but Fractals – the Ascended gear item has increased stats as well as the fact there are no other decent back slot items in game thus far. Everyone needs an increase in base stats don’t they or why have Exotics… we’d all be happy in Blues?

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It’s the part of character progression. Slaying thousands of troll will yield you an anscended quiver. If you don’t like it you’re out of luck.

haviz.1340:

It’s the part of character progression. Slaying thousands of troll will yield you an anscended quiver. If you don’t like it you’re out of luck.

It’s quite frankly lazy game development to artificially extend the game’s life. It discourages playing the game how you want and promotes burn out where you quit the game entirely.

Legendaries are optional. Reason why not many really care to grind for one nor complain about the grind.

Azure Prower.8701:

haviz.1340:

It’s the part of character progression. Slaying thousands of troll will yield you an anscended quiver. If you don’t like it you’re out of luck.

It’s quite frankly lazy game development to artificially extend the game’s life. It discourages playing the game how you want and promotes burn out where you quit the game entirely.

Legendaries are optional. Reason why not many really care to grind for one nor complain about the grind.

i dont know if its lazy design, maybe the game really need another tier after the Exotic, but 2 things are sure:

• its really too expensive for a set that is going to become mandatory, because better stats are always mandatory.
• for what i see, its now well designed, it invalidate old content like runes, sigil and jewels.(and exotics items too) instead of the new infusion slot, they can create a rune with +stats and agony resistance. all this new infusion mechanism, after only 3 month, have not so much sense. its like whatching 2 games merged together, its better if they decide to use or only the old upgrade, or only the infusions, because the game is becoming quite confusing.

The supposed “gear progression” falls flat on its face when the last 3 tiers all need the same tier of crafting material!

Crafting an exotic set is getting harder and harder because ascended and legendaries keep inflating material prices.

If exotics were meant to be the relatively-easy-to-get high level gear with ascended and legendaries as long time goals, well, you failed basic economics Anet.

All of this for a half a percent increase in dps.

oi

The T6 requirement is a travesty. Just think of the effect it has had on the “legendary wall”… it is now the “legendary super-fortress”…

Enjoy the new grindwars. Don’t be surprised when you finally grind out blue infusions that the green ones appear in game… then yellow… then orange… pink… red… I’d assume the requirements for those will continue to increase, as well as naturally making the former ones obsolete.

The dedicated player base requires these things to be so difficult to obtain that they can be assured when they get them that they’ll be statistically better than most everyone else for a good while. There’s no other reason to play video games after all.

vox.5019:

The dedicated player base requires these things to be so difficult to obtain that they can be assured when they get them that they’ll be statistically better than most everyone else for a good while. There’s no other reason to play video games after all.

Rather just be best in slot and have my character looking aesthetically good.

Leave the ones who want to have a status symbol to the legendary hunters and 100g commanders.

Is that much to ask?

Apparently this is what the majority wanted. A grindy gear game.

Kromsin.6359:

Apparently this is what the majority wanted. A grindy gear game.

If the majority wanted it. Why is the majority complaining about it?

Azure Prower.8701:

Kromsin.6359:

Apparently this is what the majority wanted. A grindy gear game.

If the majority wanted it. Why is the majority complaining about it?

The majority didn’t want it, only the hardcore players who was whining there was no endgame. These new changes will destroy the game.

Azure Prower.8701:

Kromsin.6359:

Apparently this is what the majority wanted. A grindy gear game.

If the majority wanted it. Why is the majority complaining about it?

The majority is not complaining.
A majority would mean that about 1 million people would complain (based on pre-sales).
That is far from truth.