Guild Wars 2

Okay, first thread started by a lurker.

Today, I logged on to GW2 to see what was going on. Since I have two level 80s and no lofty goals to aim for, the whole thing has become akin to checking in at a bar to see who showed up.

Upon zoning in to Divinity’s Reach, I see and hear another player using a musicial instrument to first play a Star Wars song then the Skyrim theme. Both surprisingly good and it brought back memories of my formative years playing online RPGs with other people. (Note: Not WoW.)

After appreciating that for a while, I decided to go to the Cursed Shore to see what drops from the random mobs I can take on (level 80 warrior). Got a few things, then saw there was a commander on mapchat putting up waypoints along with info about the enemy to focus on. After a while, the WP near the Grenth temple was called out so I followed.

A short distance from there, I saw a furious battle between PCs and a bunch of constantly spawning veteran mobs and normal mobs. There was a dead NPC nearby (some asura arcanist) that I dutifully began to rez. Partway through, I was informed by the players that I shouldn’t be doing that as they were farming the constantly spawning monsters for drops.

After some amusing back and forth centering mainly on one simple task being able to upset a large amount of farmers, I returned to Divinity’s Reach with some loot dropped during the discussion.

It seems to me that this can in some way show the best and worst of what GW2 has to offer. And so, I wonder what others would take away from these situations. Let’s hear your opinions.

Well it was more of a factual story than an opinion. I suppose we can draw some conclusions on the nature of group play in gw2 from it. Based on my experience gw2 offers options for casual and semi-hardcore players alike and is generally ahead of the competition in most aspects right now. That’s as far as I’ll go without trying to type paragraphs while eating.

Either the people who asked you to stop reviving the NPC were extraordinarily polite, or you are.

Best: The music.

Worst: The community.

I like where GW2 is in a lot of ways. It doesn’t feel like WoW Plus like so many other MMOs that just take that formula and try to spin it. It feels more like Ultima Online or Dark Age of Camelot, my MMO roots. There isn’t some nonstop stat inflating gear train to be on, or a constant parade of contrived bosses. When DAoC started to get really low on players I went over to WoW for awhile and raided tier 10 to tier 16. To me it never really felt like an MMORPG. It feels almost more like something along the lines of Candy Crush. Just give you this never ending chain of higher and higher stats to go for without ever actually making you more powerful, then charge you $15 a month to do it plus client and expansion fees. There just isn’t an enjoyable world there, everything is so static and dead. All the development focus is on instanced loot pinatas that barely anyone even seems to like. All the open world content is a 2 hour static quest chain that eventually unlocks a few repeatable fetch quests. GW2 scoffs at all of these concepts like the generation before WoW.

Asgaeroth.6427:

I like where GW2 is in a lot of ways. It doesn’t feel like WoW Plus like so many other MMOs that just take that formula and try to spin it. It feels more like Ultima Online or Dark Age of Camelot, my MMO roots. There isn’t some nonstop stat inflating gear train to be on, or a constant parade of contrived bosses. When DAoC started to get really low on players I went over to WoW for awhile and raided tier 10 to tier 16. To me it never really felt like an MMORPG. It feels almost more like something along the lines of Candy Crush. Just give you this never ending chain of higher and higher stats to go for without ever actually making you more powerful, then charge you $15 a month to do it plus client and expansion fees. There just isn’t an enjoyable world there, everything is so static and dead. All the development focus is on instanced loot pinatas that barely anyone even seems to like. All the open world content is a 2 hour static quest chain that eventually unlocks a few repeatable fetch quests. GW2 scoffs at all of these concepts like the generation before WoW.

lol.. you really need to stop holding back, and tell us How you REALLY feel about World of Warcraft.

I recently re-activated my account, and am having a pleasant time playing the game. I enjoy that I can solo farm mats for my tradeskills, and don’t have Blizzard’s hands In My Pocket along each and every stage … I Like that what I craft has value to other players. I Like that it doesn’t cost me 11g to make a bag that then sells for 13g on the ah…if at all..since I might get undercut, and then suddenly..there is zero profit.

I Like that in THAT game, while there may be constant Upwardly upgrading gear dropping, the fact remains that before level cap, I don’t need to spend a single dime on gear. It drops off Mobs, or it is provided as a reward for quests.

Now. we can go back and forth about " My game is awesome, and wow sucks." from your end. But that seems childish to me.

You enjoy gw2 as it is, I enjoyed Gw2 as it used to be. Lately… I do not enjoy it as much, and the irony is… i have come to appreciate a Lot of things that WoW does well. At least well for me… things I enjoy are viable in WoW.

I can understand your enjoyment of Gw2. I can understand your desire to play it. What I fail to Understand is why you have to trash another game, or the people that play it. Especially since the free to play aspects of Gw2 are such, that a person can play BOTH.

Which leads me to the LAST thing I appreciate about World of warcraft, that 2 years On GW2 taught me to appreciate.

It’s community.

PS I cut my teeth on EverQuest. Make of that what you will.

Best part: a very large open world.

Worst part: a very large open world with no significance.

Example #1: Despite the megaserver, what reason do I have, as a player, to revisit areas like Dredgehaunt Cliffs when anything that I need from there I can buy from TP?

Example #2: What is the point of having to go around gathering materials/ingredients when you can buy the final product off TP for about the same amount of gold as the total of the materials, or even cheaper? There is no gold value at all equated to the process of creation/leveling the profession or the effort.

Example #3: In what universe of logic would a Tier 3 or Tier 5 material be much more expensive in TP than a Tier 6 material? This is currently the case with fabrics and leathers.

projectcedric.6951:

Best part: a very large open world.

Worst part: a very large open world with no significance.

Example #1: Despite the megaserver, what reason do I have, as a player, to revisit areas like Dredgehaunt Cliffs when anything that I need from there I can buy from TP?

Example #2: What is the point of having to go around gathering materials/ingredients when you can buy the final product off TP for about the same amount of gold as the total of the materials, or even cheaper? There is no gold value at all equated to the process of creation/leveling the profession or the effort.

Example #3: In what universe of logic would a Tier 3 or Tier 5 material be much more expensive in TP than a Tier 6 material? This is currently the case with fabrics and leathers.

#3: in a world where most of the crafters are crafting with those materials I guess.

The biggest issue with crafting is, aside from bigger bags… Nothing anyone crafts really has any innate value. it’s either just something to do for xp..to do to take a break from levelling, while levelling by crafting…or levelling up thinking crafting might be a way to make money. til you realize that there is no money to be made.

projectcedric.6951:

Best part: a very large open world.

Worst part: a very large open world with no significance.

Example #1: Despite the megaserver, what reason do I have, as a player, to revisit areas like Dredgehaunt Cliffs when anything that I need from there I can buy from TP?

Example #2: What is the point of having to go around gathering materials/ingredients when you can buy the final product off TP for about the same amount of gold as the total of the materials, or even cheaper? There is no gold value at all equated to the process of creation/leveling the profession or the effort.

Example #3: In what universe of logic would a Tier 3 or Tier 5 material be much more expensive in TP than a Tier 6 material? This is currently the case with fabrics and leathers.

What’s the point of walking in woods I’ve already walked in? I’ve seen the woods. I’ve seen most of the animals in the woods. The path isn’t going to change that much. Yet every few months I go to my favorite trail and hike it. And nothing every really changes, except maybe the weather.

Guild Wars 2 is relatively similar. I play through a zone, and a few months later, I go back to the zone sometimes and sometimes minor things have changed. Changes like the marionette vista in Lornar’s, or bigger changes even like hearts and bosses and land features and waypoints in Kessex.

I don’t always do things because it’s practical or efficient. Sometimes a guildie needs help finding a vista, so I go to the zone to help a guildie. Just like in real life I go shopping with a friend, or to a movie or whatever. Sometimes I don’t care where I’m going because I enjoy hanging out with a friend.

And then there are hidden places like the basilisk cave beneath Vigil keep. Those are reasons for me to keep going back into the world.

Because almost every time I go through a zone, I find something I didn’t find before.

Is it efficient? Nope. Is this a game or a job? It’s a game. I do things simply to do them and I don’t really worried about efficiency.

Seems to me those who play strictly for efficiency will like this game less than people who like to bang around and hang out and just chill. Neither group of players is wrong. But the game wasn’t designed with both groups in mind.

Nerelith.7360:

Asgaeroth.6427:

I like where GW2 is in a lot of ways. It doesn’t feel like WoW Plus like so many other MMOs that just take that formula and try to spin it. It feels more like Ultima Online or Dark Age of Camelot, my MMO roots. There isn’t some nonstop stat inflating gear train to be on, or a constant parade of contrived bosses. When DAoC started to get really low on players I went over to WoW for awhile and raided tier 10 to tier 16. To me it never really felt like an MMORPG. It feels almost more like something along the lines of Candy Crush. Just give you this never ending chain of higher and higher stats to go for without ever actually making you more powerful, then charge you $15 a month to do it plus client and expansion fees. There just isn’t an enjoyable world there, everything is so static and dead. All the development focus is on instanced loot pinatas that barely anyone even seems to like. All the open world content is a 2 hour static quest chain that eventually unlocks a few repeatable fetch quests. GW2 scoffs at all of these concepts like the generation before WoW.

lol.. you really need to stop holding back, and tell us How you REALLY feel about World of Warcraft.

I recently re-activated my account, and am having a pleasant time playing the game. I enjoy that I can solo farm mats for my tradeskills, and don’t have Blizzard’s hands In My Pocket along each and every stage … I Like that what I craft has value to other players. I Like that it doesn’t cost me 11g to make a bag that then sells for 13g on the ah…if at all..since I might get undercut, and then suddenly..there is zero profit.

I Like that in THAT game, while there may be constant Upwardly upgrading gear dropping, the fact remains that before level cap, I don’t need to spend a single dime on gear. It drops off Mobs, or it is provided as a reward for quests.

Now. we can go back and forth about " My game is awesome, and wow sucks." from your end. But that seems childish to me.

You enjoy gw2 as it is, I enjoyed Gw2 as it used to be. Lately… I do not enjoy it as much, and the irony is… i have come to appreciate a Lot of things that WoW does well. At least well for me… things I enjoy are viable in WoW.

I can understand your enjoyment of Gw2. I can understand your desire to play it. What I fail to Understand is why you have to trash another game, or the people that play it. Especially since the free to play aspects of Gw2 are such, that a person can play BOTH.

Which leads me to the LAST thing I appreciate about World of warcraft, that 2 years On GW2 taught me to appreciate.

It’s community.

PS I cut my teeth on EverQuest. Make of that what you will.

Not really specifically a directed bash on WoW, mainly using it as an example of where I feel MMOs have gone wrong in the last 10 years. When WoW came out I had already playing MMOs seriously for 5 years. WoW gained success and the original MMORPG model fell to the wayside for static questing and shiny instances. Dozens of big budget MMOs have tried to ride those coat tails and it’s created a feeling of stagnation. The best of GW2 to me is getting back to the roots. You don’t think EQ2 would have been a better game if Smed wasn’t watching Blizzard’s every move? :P

best: character customisation, musics, most characters are pretty decent, asuras are cute ect ect

worst: pretty much everything in the combat system….and the community

Asgaeroth.6427:

Nerelith.7360:

Asgaeroth.6427:

I like where GW2 is in a lot of ways. It doesn’t feel like WoW Plus like so many other MMOs that just take that formula and try to spin it. It feels more like Ultima Online or Dark Age of Camelot, my MMO roots. There isn’t some nonstop stat inflating gear train to be on, or a constant parade of contrived bosses. When DAoC started to get really low on players I went over to WoW for awhile and raided tier 10 to tier 16. To me it never really felt like an MMORPG. It feels almost more like something along the lines of Candy Crush. Just give you this never ending chain of higher and higher stats to go for without ever actually making you more powerful, then charge you $15 a month to do it plus client and expansion fees. There just isn’t an enjoyable world there, everything is so static and dead. All the development focus is on instanced loot pinatas that barely anyone even seems to like. All the open world content is a 2 hour static quest chain that eventually unlocks a few repeatable fetch quests. GW2 scoffs at all of these concepts like the generation before WoW.

lol.. you really need to stop holding back, and tell us How you REALLY feel about World of Warcraft.

I recently re-activated my account, and am having a pleasant time playing the game. I enjoy that I can solo farm mats for my tradeskills, and don’t have Blizzard’s hands In My Pocket along each and every stage … I Like that what I craft has value to other players. I Like that it doesn’t cost me 11g to make a bag that then sells for 13g on the ah…if at all..since I might get undercut, and then suddenly..there is zero profit.

I Like that in THAT game, while there may be constant Upwardly upgrading gear dropping, the fact remains that before level cap, I don’t need to spend a single dime on gear. It drops off Mobs, or it is provided as a reward for quests.

Now. we can go back and forth about " My game is awesome, and wow sucks." from your end. But that seems childish to me.

You enjoy gw2 as it is, I enjoyed Gw2 as it used to be. Lately… I do not enjoy it as much, and the irony is… i have come to appreciate a Lot of things that WoW does well. At least well for me… things I enjoy are viable in WoW.

I can understand your enjoyment of Gw2. I can understand your desire to play it. What I fail to Understand is why you have to trash another game, or the people that play it. Especially since the free to play aspects of Gw2 are such, that a person can play BOTH.

Which leads me to the LAST thing I appreciate about World of warcraft, that 2 years On GW2 taught me to appreciate.

It’s community.

PS I cut my teeth on EverQuest. Make of that what you will.

Not really specifically a directed bash on WoW, mainly using it as an example of where I feel MMOs have gone wrong in the last 10 years. When WoW came out I had already playing MMOs seriously for 5 years. WoW gained success and the original MMORPG model fell to the wayside for static questing and shiny instances. Dozens of big budget MMOs have tried to ride those coat tails and it’s created a feeling of stagnation. The best of GW2 to me is getting back to the roots. You don’t think EQ2 would have been a better game if Smed wasn’t watching Blizzard’s every move? :P

Why the hate? Just enjoy Gw2. The question was " the best and the worst about gw2." Not..

" Let’s bash WoW"

projectcedric.6951:

Best part: a very large open world.

Worst part: a very large open world with no significance.

Example #1: Despite the megaserver, what reason do I have, as a player, to revisit areas like Dredgehaunt Cliffs when anything that I need from there I can buy from TP?

Example #2: What is the point of having to go around gathering materials/ingredients when you can buy the final product off TP for about the same amount of gold as the total of the materials, or even cheaper? There is no gold value at all equated to the process of creation/leveling the profession or the effort.

Example #3: In what universe of logic would a Tier 3 or Tier 5 material be much more expensive in TP than a Tier 6 material? This is currently the case with fabrics and leathers.

I would have a different question for you why do you want the final product at all if you don’t intend to use it anywhere?

Because ultimately you know the main purpose of a game is to have a game to play not to own everything the game has to offer. If you get your legendary, ascended gear piece… whatever you refer to in example 2.. its own use will be in zones like you mention in example 1.

projectcedric.6951:

Best part: a very large open world.

Worst part: a very large open world with no significance.

Example #1: Despite the megaserver, what reason do I have, as a player, to revisit areas like Dredgehaunt Cliffs when anything that I need from there I can buy from TP?

As a passionate gatherer Dredgehaunt Cliffs is one of my favourite zone.

Before Megaserver it was also my favorite zone for leveling alts, since there are quite some nice quick events there. However since Megaserver there are now also too many players that do them.

Best: No Sub

Worst: Reward Structure

Nerelith.7360:

I recently re-activated my account, and am having a pleasant time playing the game.

This is about as far as anyone ever gets going back to WoW. You recently re-activate, play a few weeks maybe a few months if you really have some willpower, then realize why you stopped playing in the first place. I’ve been there, all of my friends have been there, practically everyone I know that has “gone back to WoW” has raved about how great it is going back, then 3 weeks later they’re all playing single player games or LoL and talk about the latest MMO that’s coming out that is going to be the next big thing.

Draknar.5748:

Nerelith.7360:

I recently re-activated my account, and am having a pleasant time playing the game.

This is about as far as anyone ever gets going back to WoW. You recently re-activate, play a few weeks maybe a few months if you really have some willpower, then realize why you stopped playing in the first place. I’ve been there, all of my friends have been there, practically everyone I know that has “gone back to WoW” has raved about how great it is going back, then 3 weeks later they’re all playing single player games or LoL and talk about the latest MMO that’s coming out that is going to be the next big thing.

Not completely true. There are a handful of people who really like WoW. However, it’s the very things I hate about WoW that make Guild Wars 2 so good for me.

There’s nothing at all wrong with liking WoW or any game. There’s something wrong with coming here and comparing it to this game which isn’t really trying to be that game at all.

The gear progression/raid end game is so so stale, just thinking about it gives me a headache. It’s okay that some people like it.

But I’m sure glad there’s at least one MMO for the rest of us.

Essence Snow.3194:

Best: No Sub

Worst: Reward Structure

^

I have to agree here. I love that there isn’t a subscription fee and that I am not (or at least don’t FEEL) penalized or like I am losing money if I decide not to play for a week or month or whatever. I can come back without having to “re-activate” or find money for it every month. I can spend when I want, IF I want, or not. I enjoy that.

The reward structure leaves something to be desired, and it seems that every time people find a way to get the rewards they want ANet comes out and says “This wasn’t intended!” and “fixes” it, which is a real bummer. Risk/reward needs to be rethought and then we’ll be on the right track to something great.

I actually like the in-game community a lot more than other MMOs I’ve played in the past. Typically I find myself in the middle of a group of great players and my fondest memory so far is helping lead a PUG against Tequatl…. and winning. Still, there’s good and bad, so I wouldn’t count community as a ~best, but it is up there for me.

Nerelith.7360:

lol.. you really need to stop holding back, and tell us How you REALLY feel about World of Warcraft.

I recently re-activated my account, and am having a pleasant time playing the game. I enjoy that I can solo farm mats for my tradeskills, and don’t have Blizzard’s hands In My Pocket along each and every stage

That’s a matter of perspective. In mine, if Blizzard didn’t have it’s hands in my wallet every step of the way, I wouldn’t be allowed access to the game.

Nerelith.7360:

You enjoy gw2 as it is, I enjoyed Gw2 as it used to be. Lately… I do not enjoy it as much, and the irony is… i have come to appreciate a Lot of things that WoW does well. At least well for me… things I enjoy are viable in WoW.

I can understand your enjoyment of Gw2. I can understand your desire to play it. What I fail to Understand is why you have to trash another game, or the people that play it. Especially since the free to play aspects of Gw2 are such, that a person can play BOTH.

Please correct me if I’m wrong, but have you not been trashing GW2 since your enjoyment of it dropped off, while singing the praises of other games?

Best: Real-Time Combat, even if it’s not that Hack’n’Slash as I wish it to be
Worst: Ranger? Or lack of minor details,lack of real revolutionary designs.

To me the best and worst things will always be the community (with ‘help’ from Megaserver).
I don’t mind having large maps with no clear goals, that’s where my own motivations should take over.
I don’t mind blues or greens, because if I enjoy the environment then the loot is not so important.

However I’ve noticed that after the Megaserver update, things didn’t necessarily get better for the game.
Certainly there are good moments. I’ve seen newbies get helpful advice in record time. There have been interesting discussions while waiting for a boss to spawn.

Then as I enter racial cities or Lion’s Arch that’s were the less than noble examples show.
I usually see the Mos Eisely side of the forums but with avatars and costumes.

Granted my server was probably a bit quiet, but at least I could enjoy the cities at times.

Though I will admit the megaserver gave me one advantage. When asked to join a guild I can use “I’m not in your server” as an excuse at times.

Draknar.5748:

Nerelith.7360:

I recently re-activated my account, and am having a pleasant time playing the game.

This is about as far as anyone ever gets going back to WoW. You recently re-activate, play a few weeks maybe a few months if you really have some willpower, then realize why you stopped playing in the first place. I’ve been there, all of my friends have been there, practically everyone I know that has “gone back to WoW” has raved about how great it is going back, then 3 weeks later they’re all playing single player games or LoL and talk about the latest MMO that’s coming out that is going to be the next big thing.

Why is this the reaction of people here at GW2? EVERY time I happen to mention that i am playing WoW while monitoring the goings on here, they feel compelled tyo point out.,." Oh she won’t be there long" or are you the same person that said the exact same thing about me On another thread a few weeks ago? It is almost as if some players feel they need to reassure themselves that " WoW is not worth it for anyone. If a Player leaves Gw2 to return for WoW, it cannot last long!!!!..They WILL get bored….they WILL Return… or they will play some single player game…or they will play another MMO!!!!!"

why???

Well umm..it’s a few weeks later..and Umm..I’m still having a great time at WoW. See what people that are always saying " it won’t last long" fail to say is….

Games change… some games improve, and some games get worse.

While I may have come here FROM WoW, there was a reason. Now I went back… and that is also for a reason.

WoW wasn’t as good when I left it as it is now. It is better now than it was when I left.

GW2 WAS good when i started here…then it got worse in MY opinion, defenitely less enjoyable. What I enjoy about MMO’s is Not viable in gw2, it IS In WoW, so i went back.

FACT: I consider it a better deal to pay a $15 Monthly to play World of Warcraft than play THIS game for free.

THAT should be a warning.

Anyway, I continue monitoring because I enjoyed Guild Wars. I like what it did, fact is i also re-activated my account with Guild Wars. That should ALSO say something.

I do hope that Anet gets it’s head out of the sand…

IndigoSundown.5419:

Nerelith.7360:

lol.. you really need to stop holding back, and tell us How you REALLY feel about World of Warcraft.

I recently re-activated my account, and am having a pleasant time playing the game. I enjoy that I can solo farm mats for my tradeskills, and don’t have Blizzard’s hands In My Pocket along each and every stage

That’s a matter of perspective. In mine, if Blizzard didn’t have it’s hands in my wallet every step of the way, I wouldn’t be allowed access to the game.

Nerelith.7360:

You enjoy gw2 as it is, I enjoyed Gw2 as it used to be. Lately… I do not enjoy it as much, and the irony is… i have come to appreciate a Lot of things that WoW does well. At least well for me… things I enjoy are viable in WoW.

I can understand your enjoyment of Gw2. I can understand your desire to play it. What I fail to Understand is why you have to trash another game, or the people that play it. Especially since the free to play aspects of Gw2 are such, that a person can play BOTH.

Please correct me if I’m wrong, but have you not been trashing GW2 since your enjoyment of it dropped off, while singing the praises of other games?

I am correcting you, since you are wrong.

I have never TRASHED Gw2. Nor have I put down anyone that enjoys playing it. What I have done , is point out why…in my opinion, Gw2, is not as enjoyable for me as it used to be.

There is a difference between trashing a game, and providing constructive criticism.

Seems that anytime a fanboi trashes a " competing game " people rally around them, but someone says " well, I think WoW is good because of this , this, this and this…and Gw2 is weak In those areas.’ instead of it being seen for what it is… constructive criticism…the fanboiz come in to attack that individual.

So No…I have not been, nor have I ever TRASHED Gw2…. nor have I trashed anyone that plays Gw2. But I see this for what it is, the beginnings of the fanboiz brigade coming to the rescue of one of their own that in deed DID trash another game.

All I am saying is, people can and do play more than 1 game at a time. Just because someone finds that a competing game does things differently… and brings up those thinsg and says " maybe Gw2 can learn something from this game." doesn’t mean Gw2 is being trashed.

But fanboiz seem to see any criticism of gw2 as some form of personal attack, some kind of " hey she’s trashing our game."

Nerelith.7360:

IndigoSundown.5419:

Nerelith.7360:

lol.. you really need to stop holding back, and tell us How you REALLY feel about World of Warcraft.

I recently re-activated my account, and am having a pleasant time playing the game. I enjoy that I can solo farm mats for my tradeskills, and don’t have Blizzard’s hands In My Pocket along each and every stage

That’s a matter of perspective. In mine, if Blizzard didn’t have it’s hands in my wallet every step of the way, I wouldn’t be allowed access to the game.

Nerelith.7360:

You enjoy gw2 as it is, I enjoyed Gw2 as it used to be. Lately… I do not enjoy it as much, and the irony is… i have come to appreciate a Lot of things that WoW does well. At least well for me… things I enjoy are viable in WoW.

I can understand your enjoyment of Gw2. I can understand your desire to play it. What I fail to Understand is why you have to trash another game, or the people that play it. Especially since the free to play aspects of Gw2 are such, that a person can play BOTH.

Please correct me if I’m wrong, but have you not been trashing GW2 since your enjoyment of it dropped off, while singing the praises of other games?

I have never TRASHED Gw2. Nor have I put down anyone that enjoys playing it. What I have done , is point out why…in my opinion, Gw2, is not as enjoyable for me as it used to be.

There is a difference between trashing a gamne, and providing constructiver criticism.

seems that anytime a fanboi trashes a " competing game " people rally around them, but someone says " well, I think WoW is good because of this , this, this and this…and Gw2 is weak In those areas.’ instead of it being seen for what it is… constructive criticism…the fanboiz come in to attack that individual.

So No…I have not been, nor have I ever TRASHED Gw2…. nore have I trashed anyone that plays Gw2. But I see this for what it is, the beginnings of the fanboiz brigade coming to the rescue of one of their own that in deed DID trash another game.

Sorry, I don’t agree that the comment you responded to and considered “trashing WoW” (and I mean specifically in those words previously in this thread) was anything other than his opinion was that WoW created a feeling of stagnancy for him, which is something that when paraphrased, you seem to feel about GW2.

I feel that this is over-sensitivity.

Calys Teneb.7015:

Nerelith.7360:

IndigoSundown.5419:

Nerelith.7360:

lol.. you really need to stop holding back, and tell us How you REALLY feel about World of Warcraft.

I recently re-activated my account, and am having a pleasant time playing the game. I enjoy that I can solo farm mats for my tradeskills, and don’t have Blizzard’s hands In My Pocket along each and every stage

That’s a matter of perspective. In mine, if Blizzard didn’t have it’s hands in my wallet every step of the way, I wouldn’t be allowed access to the game.

Nerelith.7360:

You enjoy gw2 as it is, I enjoyed Gw2 as it used to be. Lately… I do not enjoy it as much, and the irony is… i have come to appreciate a Lot of things that WoW does well. At least well for me… things I enjoy are viable in WoW.

I can understand your enjoyment of Gw2. I can understand your desire to play it. What I fail to Understand is why you have to trash another game, or the people that play it. Especially since the free to play aspects of Gw2 are such, that a person can play BOTH.

Please correct me if I’m wrong, but have you not been trashing GW2 since your enjoyment of it dropped off, while singing the praises of other games?

I have never TRASHED Gw2. Nor have I put down anyone that enjoys playing it. What I have done , is point out why…in my opinion, Gw2, is not as enjoyable for me as it used to be.

There is a difference between trashing a gamne, and providing constructiver criticism.

seems that anytime a fanboi trashes a " competing game " people rally around them, but someone says " well, I think WoW is good because of this , this, this and this…and Gw2 is weak In those areas.’ instead of it being seen for what it is… constructive criticism…the fanboiz come in to attack that individual.

So No…I have not been, nor have I ever TRASHED Gw2…. nore have I trashed anyone that plays Gw2. But I see this for what it is, the beginnings of the fanboiz brigade coming to the rescue of one of their own that in deed DID trash another game.

Sorry, I don’t agree that the comment you considered “trashing WoW” was anything other than his opinion was that WoW created a feeling of stagnancy, which is something that when paraphrased, you seem to feel about GW2.

I feel that this is over-sensitivity.

His tone and word choice about World of warcraft is more along the lines of trashing. I guess we need to agree to disagree

Nerelith.7360:

Calys Teneb.7015:

Nerelith.7360:

IndigoSundown.5419:

Nerelith.7360:

lol.. you really need to stop holding back, and tell us How you REALLY feel about World of Warcraft.

I recently re-activated my account, and am having a pleasant time playing the game. I enjoy that I can solo farm mats for my tradeskills, and don’t have Blizzard’s hands In My Pocket along each and every stage

That’s a matter of perspective. In mine, if Blizzard didn’t have it’s hands in my wallet every step of the way, I wouldn’t be allowed access to the game.

Nerelith.7360:

You enjoy gw2 as it is, I enjoyed Gw2 as it used to be. Lately… I do not enjoy it as much, and the irony is… i have come to appreciate a Lot of things that WoW does well. At least well for me… things I enjoy are viable in WoW.

I can understand your enjoyment of Gw2. I can understand your desire to play it. What I fail to Understand is why you have to trash another game, or the people that play it. Especially since the free to play aspects of Gw2 are such, that a person can play BOTH.

Please correct me if I’m wrong, but have you not been trashing GW2 since your enjoyment of it dropped off, while singing the praises of other games?

I have never TRASHED Gw2. Nor have I put down anyone that enjoys playing it. What I have done , is point out why…in my opinion, Gw2, is not as enjoyable for me as it used to be.

There is a difference between trashing a gamne, and providing constructiver criticism.

seems that anytime a fanboi trashes a " competing game " people rally around them, but someone says " well, I think WoW is good because of this , this, this and this…and Gw2 is weak In those areas.’ instead of it being seen for what it is… constructive criticism…the fanboiz come in to attack that individual.

So No…I have not been, nor have I ever TRASHED Gw2…. nore have I trashed anyone that plays Gw2. But I see this for what it is, the beginnings of the fanboiz brigade coming to the rescue of one of their own that in deed DID trash another game.

Sorry, I don’t agree that the comment you considered “trashing WoW” was anything other than his opinion was that WoW created a feeling of stagnancy, which is something that when paraphrased, you seem to feel about GW2.

I feel that this is over-sensitivity.

His tone and word choice about World of warcraft is more along the lines of trashing. I guess we need to agree to disagree

shrug It appears that there are others who feel your tone could be taken the same way. Perhaps it’s something you should consider as well.

Calys Teneb.7015:

Nerelith.7360:

Calys Teneb.7015:

Nerelith.7360:

IndigoSundown.5419:

Nerelith.7360:

lol.. you really need to stop holding back, and tell us How you REALLY feel about World of Warcraft.

I recently re-activated my account, and am having a pleasant time playing the game. I enjoy that I can solo farm mats for my tradeskills, and don’t have Blizzard’s hands In My Pocket along each and every stage

That’s a matter of perspective. In mine, if Blizzard didn’t have it’s hands in my wallet every step of the way, I wouldn’t be allowed access to the game.

Nerelith.7360:

You enjoy gw2 as it is, I enjoyed Gw2 as it used to be. Lately… I do not enjoy it as much, and the irony is… i have come to appreciate a Lot of things that WoW does well. At least well for me… things I enjoy are viable in WoW.

I can understand your enjoyment of Gw2. I can understand your desire to play it. What I fail to Understand is why you have to trash another game, or the people that play it. Especially since the free to play aspects of Gw2 are such, that a person can play BOTH.

Please correct me if I’m wrong, but have you not been trashing GW2 since your enjoyment of it dropped off, while singing the praises of other games?

I have never TRASHED Gw2. Nor have I put down anyone that enjoys playing it. What I have done , is point out why…in my opinion, Gw2, is not as enjoyable for me as it used to be.

There is a difference between trashing a gamne, and providing constructiver criticism.

seems that anytime a fanboi trashes a " competing game " people rally around them, but someone says " well, I think WoW is good because of this , this, this and this…and Gw2 is weak In those areas.’ instead of it being seen for what it is… constructive criticism…the fanboiz come in to attack that individual.

So No…I have not been, nor have I ever TRASHED Gw2…. nore have I trashed anyone that plays Gw2. But I see this for what it is, the beginnings of the fanboiz brigade coming to the rescue of one of their own that in deed DID trash another game.

Sorry, I don’t agree that the comment you considered “trashing WoW” was anything other than his opinion was that WoW created a feeling of stagnancy, which is something that when paraphrased, you seem to feel about GW2.

I feel that this is over-sensitivity.

His tone and word choice about World of warcraft is more along the lines of trashing. I guess we need to agree to disagree

shrug It appears that there are others who feel your tone could be taken the same way. Perhaps it’s something you should consider as well.

That is another thing that we will have to agree to disagree on.

Nerelith.7360:

Calys Teneb.7015:

Nerelith.7360:

Calys Teneb.7015:

Nerelith.7360:

IndigoSundown.5419:

Nerelith.7360:

lol.. you really need to stop holding back, and tell us How you REALLY feel about World of Warcraft.

I recently re-activated my account, and am having a pleasant time playing the game. I enjoy that I can solo farm mats for my tradeskills, and don’t have Blizzard’s hands In My Pocket along each and every stage

That’s a matter of perspective. In mine, if Blizzard didn’t have it’s hands in my wallet every step of the way, I wouldn’t be allowed access to the game.

Nerelith.7360:

You enjoy gw2 as it is, I enjoyed Gw2 as it used to be. Lately… I do not enjoy it as much, and the irony is… i have come to appreciate a Lot of things that WoW does well. At least well for me… things I enjoy are viable in WoW.

I can understand your enjoyment of Gw2. I can understand your desire to play it. What I fail to Understand is why you have to trash another game, or the people that play it. Especially since the free to play aspects of Gw2 are such, that a person can play BOTH.

Please correct me if I’m wrong, but have you not been trashing GW2 since your enjoyment of it dropped off, while singing the praises of other games?

I have never TRASHED Gw2. Nor have I put down anyone that enjoys playing it. What I have done , is point out why…in my opinion, Gw2, is not as enjoyable for me as it used to be.

There is a difference between trashing a gamne, and providing constructiver criticism.

seems that anytime a fanboi trashes a " competing game " people rally around them, but someone says " well, I think WoW is good because of this , this, this and this…and Gw2 is weak In those areas.’ instead of it being seen for what it is… constructive criticism…the fanboiz come in to attack that individual.

So No…I have not been, nor have I ever TRASHED Gw2…. nore have I trashed anyone that plays Gw2. But I see this for what it is, the beginnings of the fanboiz brigade coming to the rescue of one of their own that in deed DID trash another game.

Sorry, I don’t agree that the comment you considered “trashing WoW” was anything other than his opinion was that WoW created a feeling of stagnancy, which is something that when paraphrased, you seem to feel about GW2.

I feel that this is over-sensitivity.

His tone and word choice about World of warcraft is more along the lines of trashing. I guess we need to agree to disagree

shrug It appears that there are others who feel your tone could be taken the same way. Perhaps it’s something you should consider as well.

That is another thing that we will have to agree to disagree on.

Which? Not considering your tone of discourse or disagreeing that people read you that way? Open minded and accepting of dissenting opinions is key to offering constructive criticism. A difference of opinion is not a war to be won.

Calys Teneb.7015:

Nerelith.7360:

Calys Teneb.7015:

Nerelith.7360:

Calys Teneb.7015:

Nerelith.7360:

IndigoSundown.5419:

Nerelith.7360:

lol.. you really need to stop holding back, and tell us How you REALLY feel about World of Warcraft.

I recently re-activated my account, and am having a pleasant time playing the game. I enjoy that I can solo farm mats for my tradeskills, and don’t have Blizzard’s hands In My Pocket along each and every stage

That’s a matter of perspective. In mine, if Blizzard didn’t have it’s hands in my wallet every step of the way, I wouldn’t be allowed access to the game.

Nerelith.7360:

You enjoy gw2 as it is, I enjoyed Gw2 as it used to be. Lately… I do not enjoy it as much, and the irony is… i have come to appreciate a Lot of things that WoW does well. At least well for me… things I enjoy are viable in WoW.

I can understand your enjoyment of Gw2. I can understand your desire to play it. What I fail to Understand is why you have to trash another game, or the people that play it. Especially since the free to play aspects of Gw2 are such, that a person can play BOTH.

Please correct me if I’m wrong, but have you not been trashing GW2 since your enjoyment of it dropped off, while singing the praises of other games?

I have never TRASHED Gw2. Nor have I put down anyone that enjoys playing it. What I have done , is point out why…in my opinion, Gw2, is not as enjoyable for me as it used to be.

There is a difference between trashing a gamne, and providing constructiver criticism.

seems that anytime a fanboi trashes a " competing game " people rally around them, but someone says " well, I think WoW is good because of this , this, this and this…and Gw2 is weak In those areas.’ instead of it being seen for what it is… constructive criticism…the fanboiz come in to attack that individual.

So No…I have not been, nor have I ever TRASHED Gw2…. nore have I trashed anyone that plays Gw2. But I see this for what it is, the beginnings of the fanboiz brigade coming to the rescue of one of their own that in deed DID trash another game.

Sorry, I don’t agree that the comment you considered “trashing WoW” was anything other than his opinion was that WoW created a feeling of stagnancy, which is something that when paraphrased, you seem to feel about GW2.

I feel that this is over-sensitivity.

His tone and word choice about World of warcraft is more along the lines of trashing. I guess we need to agree to disagree

shrug It appears that there are others who feel your tone could be taken the same way. Perhaps it’s something you should consider as well.

That is another thing that we will have to agree to disagree on.

Which? Not considering your tone of discourse or disagreeing that people read you that way?

the opinion that my tone is trashing. it isn’t. If it is seen that way, then it’s oversensitivity on the part of others. that is the opinion, we will have to choose to disagree on. I don’t see myself as trashing, nor do i see that the tone I used should be seen that way, if it is..I think it says More about the insecurity of others.

But as I said… we maybe should Just agree to disagree and move on back to the subject of the topic.

Best- deposit collectible – even it looks like minor feature after playing Teso i tell this is so awesome, even WoW is adding it nowadys

Worst- current WvW zerg meta, so boring

Best: dinamic maps and leveling with events

Worst: no true healer class…. my main in all games… Mage water sux!!! large cds and no reward in events

Best: The Classes, The graphics, The Lore, And the vistas.

Worst: The economy, the community, No addons, No Mounts.

Best: fun, fluid combat, lovely graphics/skins

Worst: lack of Rewarding/challenging content, too much focus on LS+gemstore items…, 2 years and still no update on pvp modes, new skills/abilities, new dungs,races, expanded weapon choices for classes. Majority of PvE is stupidly easy. PvP is unbalanced and lacks build diversity. Skyhammer.

Best: Really fun toys to play with
Worst: Dunno…maybe dungeons? That’s not really fair though because I don’t enjoy dungeons in any game.

Best part of GW2 is that I can play exactly how I want, with 15 toons, 13 of those 80’s 5.5K hours, but not required to do this quest, then the next, not have to roll for dungeon rewards, etc. I can play the game my way and don’t have to spend a dime if I don’t want to do so.

Worst: The toxicity of the forums, people who say they’ve left to play other games, yet continue posting why they hate the game so much and how WoW is so much better, etc. Seriously, just leave already. Truth is, I don’t care. Decided it’s best for me to just not check the forums, save for the class part as well as release notes.

The best of GW2 is in their underpinnings in early design. Speedy crafting, even keel leveling process, downscaling to zones.

The worst of GW2 is hands down it’s rewards system, it’s loot system (DR RNG), and it’s economic model.

GW2 is gold in so many ways, but it lacks a force behind it to craft it into the one ring to rule them all.

GW2 has the potential to be the best MMO period, it really does, but ANET simply focuses on things the community doesnt care about and the community has become toxic. It is 50% their fault and 50% ours honestly. At the end of the day, people are leaving the game but they still like it, a lot of us have just been expecting… more. MORE real content like new classes, new pvp maps and modes, more PVE map to open up. ANET has added some really cool stuff to PVE and I love PVE, but at the sametime we’ve been using the same weapons on the same classes for almost 2 years now on the same maps doing the same events. We need more races more classes more weapons more variety. The actual game engine, graphics, world, and music are top notch but the game needs more variety and… real soon.

Best: Leveling experience

Worst: Trait unlocking

Fix the broken stuff and annoyances that have lasted since GW2 release (like no Armor class filter in TP) before you add more stuff

best: when the LA mystic toilet was destroyed

worst: it was fixed

Best: EoM battlefield chaos, the creative community

Worst: Dungeon Glitch using and Stacking

I can’t understand why so many people are bashing the GW2 community saying it’s bad and all that. Looks like that you’ve actually spent so much time on here that you forgot how much worse the community is on other video games.

I came to GW2 from Dota 2 and CS:GO and the one thing that made me feel addicted to this game right on my second day around was the extremely friendly community around. And day after day I still meet friendly people or people who note that the community here is super friendly.

Maybe if you get off the General Discussions forums, where everyone pretty much only cries and complains, for a few days and get down on the game you might realize what an awesome community we have here.

Anyway, back on topic:

Best: GW2 in general, music, beauty of the game;
Worst: Traits system as it is at the moment.

Best
- Combat: smooth, reactionary and very vibrant feel
- Areas: most of them look absolutely stunning, big thumbs up for the graphics designers
- Music: just adds to the feeling for me. It all fits, makes me feel back in the Tyria of Guild Wars 1.

In between
- Dungeons: could be better, too repetitive, not enough in quantity
- PvP in general: it’s fun, but has been ignored and neglected since launch: lack of game modes, lack of diversity, not enough customization overall.

Worst
- Crafting… it’s just pointless in this game. It doesn’t feel like you’re doing anything other than ‘playing the UI’ (certainly not playing the game). Most gear is also cheaper to just buy.
- Open world: boring, zergy, badly designed
- Story: stereotype, bland

Sirendor.1394:

Best
- Combat: smooth, reactionary and very vibrant feel
- Areas: most of them look absolutely stunning, big thumbs up for the graphics designers
- Music: just adds to the feeling for me. It all fits, makes me feel back in the Tyria of Guild Wars 1.

In between
- Dungeons: could be better, too repetitive, not enough in quantity
- PvP in general: it’s fun, but has been ignored and neglected since launch: lack of game modes, lack of diversity, not enough customization overall.

Worst
- Crafting… it’s just pointless in this game. It doesn’t feel like you’re doing anything other than ‘playing the UI’ (certainly not playing the game). Most gear is also cheaper to just buy.
- Open world: boring, zergy, badly designed
- Story: stereotype, bland

This and:

PvP is most likely a Build Wars what I really dislike and balance is somewhat ’’creepy’’(I mean some professions cannot even hit me and die and in turn the same)
Lore is lacking too much there are many many NPC-s who doesn’t really have more than 3-4 words about them on the wiki and some doesn’t have at all.
Leveling is boring as hell and alternate leveling modes are obscured by luck,you got a good train in Eotm 2 hours aprox 5-6 lvls if doesnt…then you are screwed up badly and waste a lot of time
Maps are instanced which makes exploration somewhat frustrating and annoying.

Pro:Music <3 I wish for more like ‘’The Seraph’’ ,‘’Scales of Issormir’‘,’‘Fear not This Night’’ and much more.
Characters and landscapes are very lovely and some armor just look very cool like Phalanx and some Race armor.
… … …

winterchillz.2564:

I can’t understand why so many people are bashing the GW2 community saying it’s bad and all that. Looks like that you’ve actually spent so much time on here that you forgot how much worse the community is on other video games.

I came to GW2 from Dota 2 and CS:GO and the one thing that made me feel addicted to this game right on my second day around was the extremely friendly community around. And day after day I still meet friendly people or people who note that the community here is super friendly.

Maybe if you get off the General Discussions forums, where everyone pretty much only cries and complains, for a few days and get down on the game you might realize what an awesome community we have here.

Anyway, back on topic:

Best: GW2 in general, music, beauty of the game;
Worst: Traits system as it is at the moment.

Do you mean the same community that would spend time Hurling insults at people that dared to take champions out of turn?

or if you asked a simple question about a trait would tell you to stop being lazy and google it?

I came here at release. And the community THEN was super-friendly, and helpful. The Megaserver. Now … the community is toxic, maybe because a Lot of the trolls from other servers are spending their time trolling the trolls from other servers.

There is NOT a day , that the map chant conversations do not remind me of barrens chat or LoIO chat. ( EverQuest Reference).

The irony is, I went to Barrens Just the other day…everyone was friendly, and helpful.

Nerelith.7360:

Do you mean the same community that would spend time Hurling insults at people that dared to take champions out of turn?

or if you asked a simple question about a trait would tell you to stop being lazy and google it?

I came here at release. And the community THEN was super-friendly, and helpful. The Megaserver. Now … the community is toxic, maybe because a Lot of the trolls from other servers are spending their time trolling the trolls from other servers.

There is NOT a day , that the map chant conversations do not remind me of barrens chat or LoIO chat. ( EverQuest Reference).

The irony is, I went to Barrens Just the other day…everyone was friendly, and helpful.

Yes, I do mean the same community and since the train is dead for a while now, I don’t see why you should dig in the past.

The trolls on every server will remain a minority, you can’t judge the whole community based on a few people.

I’ve been here for 2 months only and my friends list has nearly 40 people on it, yes, the community must be super toxic and deadly.

winterchillz.2564:

Nerelith.7360:

Do you mean the same community that would spend time Hurling insults at people that dared to take champions out of turn?

or if you asked a simple question about a trait would tell you to stop being lazy and google it?

I came here at release. And the community THEN was super-friendly, and helpful. The Megaserver. Now … the community is toxic, maybe because a Lot of the trolls from other servers are spending their time trolling the trolls from other servers.

There is NOT a day , that the map chant conversations do not remind me of barrens chat or LoIO chat. ( EverQuest Reference).

The irony is, I went to Barrens Just the other day…everyone was friendly, and helpful.

Yes, I do mean the same community and since the train is dead for a while now, I don’t see why you should dig in the past.

The trolls on every server will remain a minority, you can’t judge the whole community based on a few people.

I’ve been here for 2 months only and my friends list has nearly 40 people on it, yes, the community must be super toxic and deadly.

been here since release. When I first got here, the community was awesome. Since then, people have gotten downright nasty.

You have only been here 2 months you say. I am sure your experiences have been awesome. But you cannot say because your experiences are yaya terrific that everyone’s is also yaya terrific.

And just because you met some awesome people…that doesn’t mean that there are not some Horrible people in the community.

Just because you have not met them, doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

I have also met some great people on Gw2, But since megaserver….. the dark and ugly have taken over map chat. If your experience is different, that simply means you’ve been lucky, that doesn’t mean my experience is not relevant.

You’re right, but I think you’d also agree that we both give a name to the community based only on a minority of the players. Argument is pointless, let’s stop hijacking the thread.

Nerelith.7360:

I have also met some great people on Gw2, But since megaserver….. the dark and ugly have taken over map chat. If your experience is different, that simply means you’ve been lucky, that doesn’t mean my experience is not relevant.

I had both, I’ve seen people go out of their way to help others and I’ve seen people being nasty. Nothing new and megaserver might have mixed it up a bit sure but not to the level people seem to think. I mean most of the time I am sure most players spend their time doing the LS and most often then not that meant being in overflows which is really mixed players from different server no different then what the megaservers did.

This has been going on since release too, there was that reddit thread for example when arenanet would disclose what promoted a ban when people ask and mostly the reason would be people being nasty in chat.

Overall I would say this is a pretty friendly community though.

Also you do realise that what said above applies in reverse too and is far from absolute like you claim.

If he didnt experience the same nastiness he might have been lucky and in no way does it discard what you experienced its true but likewise it might be that you where unlucky and that in no way does it discard his experience. Things like the community is nasty or not is a subjective experience and can never be absolute.