Guild Wars 2

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Firstly here’s an additional approach regarding ‘physically progressing’ your Guild Hall:

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Let me break down the concepts/systems of my proposal in terms of implementation:

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@Baltzenger (in reply to this post).

Haha, why does everyone want ‘infographics’ or ‘powerpoints’ to go with all my big posts lol (this is only 2nd time I’ve done a huge post, my first was on my own server’s forum).

Thanks for your compliments. I know, everyone wants things now, but I think you agreed that a ‘really solid implementation later’, is better than a ‘rushed implementation sooner’. I really should be diving into my assignments, buuut I’ll have a crack at your request.

After writing a couple of long sections with the initial intention of answering your request, I don’t think I can really give an order of implementations due to there being a choice of three main approaches for physically expanding your GH.

Instead, I’ll discuss implementation priorities with respect to the concepts/systems mentioned above:

Devata.6589:

krosis.7598:

Along the lines of “make it physical”, I would LOVE to see a physical representation for when a guild is busy “building” a guild element, whether a literal house portion or working their way to a Guild Bank. Workers milling about, scaffolding, each in the right “area” of the guild housing to show what’s being worked on, without having to dive into a menu.

How about making it so that part if it needs to be done by guild-members? So you see guild-members running around building things?

Make it like some event in the guild halls, with a progress bar.
And like the hearts make have multiple ways to complete it:
– Bring resources
– Defend workers form x
– etc.

Just a couple of thoughts I’ve had while catching up on the discussion:

What are the advantages of an Open World GH over an instanced one? How would one really, fairly, place every single guild in GW2 into the open world (within their respective regions of course)

Within guilds, how large can the population limit go? Could a guild fit all 500 of their members in at once? How large would these maps need to be? If 500 is beyond population limits, how might you fit the guild maximum at once? Overflow instances that might split the guild? Or maybe we change the guild max limit to a population limit? That might anger some guilds that now need to reorganize?

On that note, what advantage is there to having personal spaces inside a guild hall? If you’re going to have mannequins or housing, how do you split that among 500 possible people at once? Why not use the Home instances already made to house personal things?

There’s talk of Alliances. How might those fit into these schemes of things? The only idea I can recall is the idea of Neighborhoods. Is there anything else that could provide for some intra-Alliance mingling? Maybe an NPC or portal to each Allied GH would suffice?

What benefit does an upkeep tax provide? Is it an influence sink? Does it act as a progression gate? Does it merely provide a way to save server resources for active guilds? Is there any way to solve these problems without a tax?

Most of the time, when I see an Airship proposal, its nothing really more than an aesthetic choice. Is there any reason we need Guild Airships over a more solid Hall? If there is something special about an Airship, could there not be both ships and halls each with their own special difference? Would we want mechanical differences?

Do Guild Halls need dungeons or Guild Challenges inside? Would choosing one GH lock you out of access to all the other challenges? How might you access all of the new content?

Do Guild Halls need PvP/GvG spaces? How would those really work? Could a GvG be held in current maps? Or would they need to make brand new maps? What about Custom Arenas? Could those just be separated into Personal Custom Arena and Guild Custom Arena?

There’s some more things I’ve no doubt forgotten, but I think we need to starting considering the logistics of all these ideas. I know its still the brainstorming portion, but logistics should always be a design factor.

Proposal writing note: If your associated risks are “none” you haven’t really thought through your idea and its impact. I would rather not have it posted until a sufficient drawback can be determined. No idea is perfectly without risk.

Personally I’d rather see housing than Guild Halls. Guild Halls is exclusive for players in guilds, housing would be for everyone. This could then be expanded to Guild Halls where players live in neighbourhoods of other guild members, having a specific number of players and their homes located in an instance. Huge guilds will have more than one neighbourhood and players could visit homes of other players.

see: LotRO http://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Housing

I find some ideas here quite odd, some guys seem to forget that there are guilds as large as hundrets of players, not 5-10.

I don’t think we really need a GH editor like The Sims. We already have a system that allow to exactly place (also choosing rotation) and build items in a map, it’s the WvW siege weapon system. Does we really need to have a The Sims piece inside GW2? A lot of people could like the idea, but hey, this is GW2, not The Sims. Using WvW siege weapon system it will really fit in a RPG game, an ad hoc editor will feel like “Hey, I’m playing an RPG or a Simulation game?”.

I don’t think tha 500 people inside a map could be a problem, WvW maps already manage such number of players also in very excited situations. Also I think that it will be very difficult to gather all 500 player at the same time, too much people to not have a lot that miss the meeting. So I think that we can survive in such rare events that all 500 guild members are in the same map and lag a little.

About alliance neighbourhoods, how to manage a neighbourhoods with four guild of 500 members each? I think that it will be very difficult to have a map with 2000 players at the same time…

Random thoughts:

-Golems should help you building heavier objects. Why moving yourself heavy objects, when a golem could do it for you?

-I told in a suggestion in this CDI that there could be PvE siege assault/defence events that could be located in GvG maps (I really think that GvG maps should be separated from GH), now I’m thinking that it could be better that those event will happen in the GH instead of GvG map. Of course they should be activated (like guild missions), but it will be awesome to defend your GH from an horde of mob. Maybe those mob may destroy some object of your GH, wasting the time and resource spent to build them. The reward of the event should be enough to let you risk, and you should be very carefull to protect more valuable items in your GH. A sort of GH raid where you have to defend your GH, or maybe reconquest it if you fail the previous event! As I mentioned in the suggestion there could be a ladder of guild. It could be a GvG alternative for PvErs…
Imagine an horde of centaurs running in your base and destroying your furniture… wow

Marcus Greythorne.6843:

Personally I’d rather see housing than Guild Halls. Guild Halls is exclusive for players in guilds, housing would be for everyone. This could then be expanded to Guild Halls where players live in neighbourhoods of other guild members, having a specific number of players and their homes located in an instance. Huge guilds will have more than one neighbourhood and players could visit homes of other players.

see: LotRO http://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Housing

I find some ideas here quite odd, some guys seem to forget that there are guilds as large as hundrets of players, not 5-10.

The only issue with this is that it would take up a LOT more resources to have one house per user than it would to have one hall per guild.

I mean, if you REALLY desperately wanted a house to your own, when Guild Houses are implemented, you can just make one for a “personal guild”. Plenty of people already have personal guilds (I have two myself), so it’s not really much of a stretch to create a “personal guild hall” from there.

Marcus Greythorne.6843:

Personally I’d rather see housing than Guild Halls. Guild Halls is exclusive for players in guilds, housing would be for everyone. This could then be expanded to Guild Halls where players live in neighbourhoods of other guild members, having a specific number of players and their homes located in an instance. Huge guilds will have more than one neighbourhood and players could visit homes of other players.

see: LotRO http://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Housing

I find some ideas here quite odd, some guys seem to forget that there are guilds as large as hundrets of players, not 5-10.

This is why my very first suggestion included making the system something that provides both. A personal house can be seen as a very small and limited guild hall, allowing the one system to pull double duty. I’d also feel some misgivings about having items in the gem store for a guild hall*, but I’d be fine with it for player housing.

(* If you were to buy something with gems for a GH, what happens to it when you leave? When you’re kicked? Will there be people paying for someone to buy things for them, creating an odd secondary Gold/Gems exchange?)

Huddo.1065:

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@Baltzenger (in reply to this post).

Haha, why does everyone want ‘infographics’ or ‘powerpoints’ to go with all my big posts lol (this is only 2nd time I’ve done a huge post, my first was on my own server’s forum).

Thanks for your compliments. I know, everyone wants things now, but I think you agreed that a ‘really solid implementation later’, is better than a ‘rushed implementation sooner’. I really should be diving into my assignments, buuut I’ll have a crack at your request.

After writing a couple of long sections with the initial intention of answering your request, I don’t think I can really give an order of implementations due to there being a choice of three main approaches for physically expanding your GH.

Instead, I’ll discuss implementation priorities with respect to the concepts/systems mentioned above:

An Example

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Again, I’d personally prefer everything to be under ‘initially’ so GH’s are introduced in their entirety in one big update. But what I’m listing here is trying to draw out implementation as much as I can as an example. (Gradually introduce different levels of customizability).

1. Initially:

• An updated guild window (first step in acquiring GH), travel button
• At least location selection (and GH Theme selection if Approach 3)
• (A limited GH is available, no customization)

2. Introduce customization:

• Item shop (some items)
• Workbench: building items, edit mode (substantial editing tools)
• Item catalogue (/item wardrobe)

3. Eventually add:

• More items/rooms to item shop
• Workbench: build mode (for Approaches 1&2)
• For Approach 3: GH Theme system to allow upgrading from you ‘very basic GH’

4. Some of the last things you could implement:

• Multi-storey GH’s
• High-end items
• Guild Materials system (plus bank collection tab for them)
• Large scale ‘opening GH to the public’ system
• Activity/game roster system

Thank you very much, this is what I was looking for.
I think with this kind of setup, we could have GH sooner, without sacrificing the level of depth we want from the system too!

To this point I think I’ll wait for the weekend and see what Chris can tell us about his ideas and the direction we can take from here.

ShadowDragoonFTW.3418:

The only issue with this is that it would take up a LOT more resources to have one house per user than it would to have one hall per guild.

I mean, if you REALLY desperately wanted a house to your own, when Guild Houses are implemented, you can just make one for a “personal guild”. Plenty of people already have personal guilds (I have two myself), so it’s not really much of a stretch to create a “personal guild hall” from there.

Looking at the guild missions as they are now I doubt that there will be interesting features for very small guilds, especially not as the discussion was about guild alliances as well.

People here are talking about hundrets of players in a Guild Hall which just doesn’t makes sense for me at all. LotRO had instanced neighbourhoods with 30 (I think) houses each, so it’s not like they have to create a map which has enough room for 200+ houses, just more instances.

Well I’m open to everything that’s fun for me (a mostly solo player), so I would like to see a way which enables us solos to do new content as well. Raids, for example, only available to guilds would be a horror szenario for me personally. I’m looking for new challenges, but playing on a specific schedule is the reason why I left WoW years ago. I’m not a casual, I’m just one of the guys who has a family and a lot of work waiting for me.

Imho the Hall of Monuments was the perfect solution. A place where I see my personal progression and can show it to others while I’m free to do the content to achieving these goals a.) by myself b.) with some friends c.) with my guild.

ShadowDragoonFTW.3418:

Marcus Greythorne.6843:

Personally I’d rather see housing than Guild Halls. Guild Halls is exclusive for players in guilds, housing would be for everyone. This could then be expanded to Guild Halls where players live in neighbourhoods of other guild members, having a specific number of players and their homes located in an instance. Huge guilds will have more than one neighbourhood and players could visit homes of other players.

see: LotRO http://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Housing

I find some ideas here quite odd, some guys seem to forget that there are guilds as large as hundrets of players, not 5-10.

The only issue with this is that it would take up a LOT more resources to have one house per user than it would to have one hall per guild.

I mean, if you REALLY desperately wanted a house to your own, when Guild Houses are implemented, you can just make one for a “personal guild”. Plenty of people already have personal guilds (I have two myself), so it’s not really much of a stretch to create a “personal guild hall” from there.

That is a little bit silly. LOT’S of games have player housing. And rarely are Guild Houses implemented in a way that it would be easily available to a single player. You can already see people on here talking about “upkeep costs” and “prestige”. That does not bode well for individual players.

And of course you have the GW1 players who mistakenly think the point of Guild Halls are to be a fancy PvP map. While that is certainly true from their perspective, the opportunity lost if that is all that is considered would be staggering.

I know this thread isn’t about player housing. But it’s not fair to dismiss a feature of that nature that would add so much to this game for so many people in such an offhanded manner.

Frankly, player housing would do more for this game’s player retention than guild halls ever could. If it can only be one or the other, I think it would be very foolish for ANet to go with guild halls. Player housing makes nearly all players more invested in the game where guild halls only invest players that are in a strong guild. And even then it’s really only the guild officers that will get to customize it.

Marcus Greythorne.6843:

People here are talking about hundrets of players in a Guild Hall which just doesn’t makes sense for me at all.

They are likely basing this off the Guildwars 1 guildhalls which were massive, several were private islands, you could easily fit 100 people in them. To give you an idea the Isle guild halls were roughly the size of the entire claw island instance if not slightly larger. Which is what I’m hoping for again in GW2 with more customization.

On player housing, there is no reason every person couldn’t have their own instanced house plenty of games have shown it can be done, I believe Wow is taking it even further and each player gets some 12 plot base/town instance..

DragonWhimsy.6489:

That is a little bit silly. LOT’S of games have player housing.

Yes, and these games are ones that are, generally, built from the ground up to support player housing. GW2’s systems were (as far as we are aware) never intended to accommodate something as expansive as housing for every player in the game. Realistically, the servers don’t have the capacity for it as well as everything else already going on in the game. Hence why they’ve already implemented instance closing for maps where very few players are active. If they didn’t require those resources to turn over fairly quickly, they wouldn’t really need to implement such a feature.

Marcus Greythorne.6843:

People here are talking about hundrets of players in a Guild Hall which just doesn’t makes sense for me at all.

Well, whether it makes sense to you or not, there are guilds that have hundreds of members, and there are guilds that only have a handful. Any guild hall system implemented HAS to be able to support both ends of the spectrum, or it will be a failure. That’s just how it is.

Guild halls and player housing don’t have to be either/or. A lot of the tech and assets that would potentially get developed for guild halls could probably be ported over into housing.

Building one could make the other a lot more possible, so let’s try to stay focused and make this current step happen. OK? Alright.

Gulesave.5073:

Building one could make the other a lot more possible, so let’s try to stay focused and make this current step happen. OK? Alright.

Yes, exactly. Let’s focus on what we’re here to talk about — Guild Halls — and get that fleshed out before we start trying to expand the feature to cover personal player housings as well.

I’m not saying not to talk about Player Housing. People want it, I understand. That’s fine. I’m just saying, realistically, it will be much simpler to stick with Guild Halls first and foremost, and then progress after that much is done.

We are far more likely to get Guild Halls first and Player Housing second, than we would the other way around.

DragonWhimsy.6489:

And even then it’s really only the guild officers that will get to customize it.

I wanted to jump on this one sentence (though the whole post has excellent points). YES. This is a problem I noted in my early post containing the highlights of my interests and concerns. If only the guild leader can fiddle with the GH, and worse if only the guild leader can even see the options (as with guild symbol design), then a whole lot of players will lose out on the fun of design.

Understandably there needs to be some control, so not just any fresh recruit can trash the place or steal the furniture. But every single player needs to at least be able to play with the design. Perhaps the guild can set permissions as to how permanently they can do so? So only those with permissions can actually rearrange it, but anyone in the guild can use the interface and see possible alterations. Maybe even take a “snapshot” to submit to the GM so better ideas can be used without leaving all the creativity only to the GM.

Gulesave.5073:

Sarrs.4831:

Why not use gathered materials (wood/metal/leather/cloth) as components in guild hall construction?

Ooh, this has me imagining: What if we actually built the guild hall ourselves?

Guild leaders can “commission” units of the construction from an architecture interface. Then everyone can use their normal crafting professions to make all the beams, walls, doors, rugs, chandeliers, training dummies, etc., that are needed for construction.

When guildies have provided all the materials needed for major constructions, you can have a “barn-raising” style event where everyone shows up to the build site and whacks at it with a hammer for a couple minutes until everything poofs into place.

Well that would be an option just not sure if we should use the current crafts for that. (do not seem to fit) and need to be carefull to not create to much of a boring mats grind. But yes build you guils-halls and do that with ‘blocks’ (as I name them.. but basically models of walls and doors and so on.) those blocks you can unlock and are blue-prints then just as siege (but with unlimited uses) in WvW you can put it somewhere and build it, and then that way block for block you build your guild-hall.

That is how I would see it.

ShadowDragoonFTW.3418:

DragonWhimsy.6489:

That is a little bit silly. LOT’S of games have player housing.

Yes, and these games are ones that are, generally, built from the ground up to support player housing. GW2’s systems were (as far as we are aware) never intended to accommodate something as expansive as housing for every player in the game. Realistically, the servers don’t have the capacity for it as well as everything else already going on in the game. Hence why they’ve already implemented instance closing for maps where very few players are active. If they didn’t require those resources to turn over fairly quickly, they wouldn’t really need to implement such a feature.

This is part of the reason why my suggestions are focused on player houses (and guild halls) that feature a limited selection of pre-made buildings, with limited places to put objects. Even if you can change the orientation of the items, and adjust the lighting, that’s still a fairly small amount of data to save for a personal house.

Creating the instance for the house shouldn’t (::crosses fingers::) take any more server resources than spawning a story instance with NPCs and enemies in it. We know the game can take that level of strain, as that’s something it was made to do all the time.

Palador.2170:

Creating the instance for the house shouldn’t (::crosses fingers::) take any more server resources than spawning a story instance with NPCs and enemies in it. We know the game can take that level of strain, as that’s something it was made to do all the time.

Actually, that is a very fair point. I hadn’t really considered it from that angle. I would think a player house would definitely take up more resources than a story instance, but probably not terribly much more. Hmm…

So I meant to be one of the first ones to post so I wouldn’t have to worry about duplicates, but ended up having some family problems as well and I ended up completely forgetting about this. Sorry if there are any duplicate suggestions, don’t really got time to read all 9 pages atm :/.

*We saved up 2 million influence just to spend on guild halls!!!

I went and had a look at the sky’s of Tyria. And the whole space ships that you can also see in the real maps could work. All the sky map would have to do is show send information about the the guild-hall (minimal it’s position on the map and the model) to the linked ground map and the ground map would preferable send information about it’s weather to the linked sky-map. I don’t know if weather is map based or controlled by another object (what would be even better)

I did notice that day-time and night time is now server-wide. I am pretty sure that was not the case before!

Only small possible problems would be that the sky map would basically have to be the size of the complete explorable world map (because in map X I see the sky above map Y so I would have to see the airship at that spot as well else you get real strange stuff with ships only directly above you and so on. Then again, because the sky map would only have to visualize some clouds and the guild-halls that might be possible. I do not know what is limiting the size of the maps.. The models in it or the data from the many players. If that latest is the case then it might be a problem because you could only have a limited number of airships in a very big space.

Another problem would be how so seal off the edges. I would likely use some wind effect or something like that. (Please not just an invisible wall)

Anyway, while there might be some technical difficulties I think it might be doable. Then from the ground you can see high in the sky the many guild-halls (of the linked sky-map) and from the sky you can see the complete ground map (like how the world map would look with a person who has 100% exploration completion) including the correct weather clouds above them.

It would sure look cool and be pretty unique in an MMO plus it would compete with the other MMO’s out there.

And with the last trailer from the last LS it might even fit in the lore.. if that was supposed to be the sky’s above Tyria.

Oow and it would be able to solve the mega-server problem for the biggest part, while I still might not be able to see my own guild-hall in the sky because the map I am in it linked to another sky-map.. I would however do link it to maps not to players (what would solve this) so all players in that map see the same.

Marcus Greythorne.6843:

Personally I’d rather see housing than Guild Halls. Guild Halls is exclusive for players in guilds, housing would be for everyone. This could then be expanded to Guild Halls where players live in neighbourhoods of other guild members, having a specific number of players and their homes located in an instance. Huge guilds will have more than one neighbourhood and players could visit homes of other players.

see: LotRO http://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Housing

I find some ideas here quite odd, some guys seem to forget that there are guilds as large as hundrets of players, not 5-10.

A few of the earlier long-winded proposals wouldn’t be considered as they were either too complex for the average player to manage or just not related to guild halls.

Housing would be much better than any instanced or persistent hall. They fit well in GW1 because everything was instanced, but how many times have we visited our home district? A persistent housing district within the confines of the home cities or outlying towns could have major, positive impacts across the board.

Trent.5201:

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Just a question here. Would you be fine with it if those unlocks would not be unlocked with influence (or at least not all of them) but it would also be blue-prints you can earn in the world by doing stuff with your guild.

I talked about earning blue-prints in the world before and mentioned walls and stuff but it could also be things like you mention here.

For example there are 8 dungeons in the world and there are at this moment 8 logical locations for portals to go to.

The races 5 city’s, (6) LA, (7) Stronghold of Ebonhawke and (8) Southsun cove
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Now while you might get a nice rng blue-print drop from a boss in a dungeon (when doing it with guild-members) and unlocking an even better drop for completion one dungeon path, completing all paths of a dungeon could unlock the blue-print of a portal to one of the city’s. (Then you can place as many of them in your guild-hall as you like).

Of course you would try to make the unlocks sort of logical. Arah unlocks blue-print for the portal to LA just because it’s the hardest. AC to BC, CM to DR, TA to The Grove, CoE to RS, SE to Hoelbrak, HotW to Cursed Shore and CoF to Stronghold of Ebonhawke.

All have to make some sense in a way.

Unlocking the SAB blue-print (maybe this would be a unique one that you can only place of of in your GH?.. Maybe not) you could likely do with completing SAB with guild-members.

You see I would prefer it this way because it’s most importantly fun more fun then just an unlock in your upgrades window, it gets rid of another currency grind (except maybe the supply to build it), it give guilds things to do and goals to directly! work towards and it’s doable for big and for smaller guilds.

JerryMain.4371:

Devata.6589:

krosis.7598:

Along the lines of “make it physical”, I would LOVE to see a physical representation for when a guild is busy “building” a guild element, whether a literal house portion or working their way to a Guild Bank. Workers milling about, scaffolding, each in the right “area” of the guild housing to show what’s being worked on, without having to dive into a menu.

How about making it so that part if it needs to be done by guild-members? So you see guild-members running around building things?

Make it like some event in the guild halls, with a progress bar.
And like the hearts make have multiple ways to complete it:
– Bring resources
– Defend workers form x
– etc.

Thats basically like the WvW keep upgrade works (btw what to defend the workers against here?) I was more thinking in the way siege building works in WvW.

Devata.6589:

Trent.5201:

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Just a question here. Would you be fine with it if those unlocks would not be unlocked with influence (or at least not all of them) but it would also be blue-prints you can earn in the world by doing stuff with your guild.

I talked about earning blue-prints in the world before and mentioned walls and stuff but it could also be things like you mention here.

For example there are 8 dungeons in the world and there are at this moment 8 logical locations for portals to go to.

The races 5 city’s, (6) LA, (7) Stronghold of Ebonhawke and (8) Southsun cove
.
Now while you might get a nice rng blue-print drop from a boss in a dungeon (when doing it with guild-members) and unlocking an even better drop for completion one dungeon path, completing all paths of a dungeon could unlock the blue-print of a portal to one of the city’s. (Then you can place as many of them in your guild-hall as you like).

Of course you would try to make the unlocks sort of logical. Arah unlocks blue-print for the portal to LA just because it’s the hardest. AC to BC, CM to DR, TA to The Grove, CoE to RS, SE to Hoelbrak, HotW to Cursed Shore and CoF to Stronghold of Ebonhawke.

All have to make some sense in a way.

Unlocking the SAB blue-print (maybe this would be a unique one that you can only place of of in your GH?.. Maybe not) you could likely do with completing SAB with guild-members.

You see I would prefer it this way because it’s most importantly fun more fun then just an unlock in your upgrades window, it gets rid of another currency grind (except maybe the supply to build it), it give guilds things to do and goals to directly! work towards and it’s doable for big and for smaller guilds.

The problem is you’re forcing guilds to run dungeons. The unlock in a guild window allows players the opportunity to play how they want to and still unlock guild hall content.

If Anet wants to implement specific content to unlock GH features, they’d need to do it across four platforms and also do it equally amongst them. WvW, Dungeons, Open World and lastly, SPvP.

They might be better suited devoting design time to making these game modes better rather than implementing drop rates and rewards to unlock GH features. It would seem to be more profitable – making the game more fun, rather than more grindy.

Ghotistyx.6942:

Just a couple of thoughts I’ve had while catching up on the discussion:

What are the advantages of an Open World GH over an instanced one? How would one really, fairly, place every single guild in GW2 into the open world (within their respective regions of course)

It feels more immersive, your guild-hall can now be more of a representation of your guild in the world, there go’s more pride into building and owning your guild-hall, people see each others guild-hall (from the outside) without needing be be invited in.

That would be why.

For the how questions multiple possible solutions have been given. Special guild-hall maps, sky-maps (if guild-halls would be floating airships), having a limited number of spots in the current world, have your guild-hall usually in an instance but every week or two weeks it might be in one of the open world map.

Devata.6589:

Ghotistyx.6942:

Just a couple of thoughts I’ve had while catching up on the discussion:

What are the advantages of an Open World GH over an instanced one? How would one really, fairly, place every single guild in GW2 into the open world (within their respective regions of course)

It feels more immersive, your guild-hall can now be more of a representation of your guild in the world, there go’s more pride into building and owning your guild-hall, people see each others guild-hall (from the outside) without needing be be invited in.

That would be why.

For the how questions multiple possible solutions have been given. Special guild-hall maps, sky-maps (if guild-halls would be floating airships), having a limited number of spots in the current world, have your guild-hall usually in an instance but every week or two weeks it might be in one of the open world map.

A massive undertaking for a little immersion isn’t a good trade-off. I’ll try and list all the problems with the idea:

1. Guilds currently playing have first dibs on this territory, so if it’s limited in space, future players are SOL.
2. If you try and make GH’s disappear after a given time frame of non-use, then you reduce the likelihood of players returning after a break, also bad.
3. The creation of a zone linked to each guild’s customized GH is a nightmare for coding and the zone would have to be so epicly big it would be simply be tedious to run around looking at guild halls.

Rather than look for ways to make GH’s immersive for all players visually, it’s far easier, development-wise, to focus on allowing the owners of the GH to customize within their own instance. Besides, I think we all realize there’s only so many development hours they have and we would all want more time spent on the actual GH rather than being able to see someone else’s GH in a zone.

Marcus Greythorne.6843:

I find some ideas here quite odd, some guys seem to forget that there are guilds as large as hundrets of players, not 5-10.

Well you would unlock a basic guild-hall / room that is available for every guild (and would not be able to hold 500 people). After that you can build upon that making it bigger. In size while not optimal but Stone Mist would be able to hold 500 people I think (while it would be pretty full) and building something of that size or even much much bigger should not be a problem for most suggestions here. Even for airships (what could not be exacly as big as guild-halls in GW1 I guess) they could be big enough to easily fit a lot of people in.

The bigger problem is that so many people in one spot would be kitten the servers but that is a complete separate problem that has not so much to do with the suggestions I have seen.

Rambodacious.7495:

Devata.6589:

Trent.5201:

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Just a question here. Would you be fine with it if those unlocks would not be unlocked with influence (or at least not all of them) but it would also be blue-prints you can earn in the world by doing stuff with your guild.

I talked about earning blue-prints in the world before and mentioned walls and stuff but it could also be things like you mention here.

For example there are 8 dungeons in the world and there are at this moment 8 logical locations for portals to go to.

The races 5 city’s, (6) LA, (7) Stronghold of Ebonhawke and (8) Southsun cove
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Now while you might get a nice rng blue-print drop from a boss in a dungeon (when doing it with guild-members) and unlocking an even better drop for completion one dungeon path, completing all paths of a dungeon could unlock the blue-print of a portal to one of the city’s. (Then you can place as many of them in your guild-hall as you like).

Of course you would try to make the unlocks sort of logical. Arah unlocks blue-print for the portal to LA just because it’s the hardest. AC to BC, CM to DR, TA to The Grove, CoE to RS, SE to Hoelbrak, HotW to Cursed Shore and CoF to Stronghold of Ebonhawke.

All have to make some sense in a way.

Unlocking the SAB blue-print (maybe this would be a unique one that you can only place of of in your GH?.. Maybe not) you could likely do with completing SAB with guild-members.

You see I would prefer it this way because it’s most importantly fun more fun then just an unlock in your upgrades window, it gets rid of another currency grind (except maybe the supply to build it), it give guilds things to do and goals to directly! work towards and it’s doable for big and for smaller guilds.

The problem is you’re forcing guilds to run dungeons. The unlock in a guild window allows players the opportunity to play how they want to and still unlock guild hall content.

If Anet wants to implement specific content to unlock GH features, they’d need to do it across four platforms and also do it equally amongst them. WvW, Dungeons, Open World and lastly, SPvP.

They might be better suited devoting design time to making these game modes better rather than implementing drop rates and rewards to unlock GH features. It would seem to be more profitable – making the game more fun, rather than more grindy.

Well that might be the case however the result of the currency approach has resulted in many people boringly grinding currency. I would not want to know how many people find some way to grind a currency (mainly gold) and ‘play’ GW2 grinding that stuff while watching a movie at the same time. Is that what you want? I would hate it if people played my game as if it was a job.

So personally I would not see that as a positive. But at the same time what I said was “things have to make sense”. Maybe there are also portals to WvW and then those you would earn in WvW (For example have a claim on a keep for a full week to unlock the portal to that WvW map). So different items are locked behind different content but because it makes sense (like I said that is important) this should not be the biggest problem. If you really don’t want to do any PvE stuff you might also not be interested in a portal to LA and blue-prints for walls and doors that have a more WvW like style might drop in WvW (but not in PvE content).

So yes you lock things behind specific content meaning if a guild would want that they would need to do that linked content. But at the same time you do it in logical ways and imho you should then as WvW guild not be complaining for the fact that you need to do PvE content to get a portal to a PvE area or a wall in the style of something we see in PvE but not in WvW. And that also works the other way around. Are you as guild seriously gonna complain that you need to do WvW to unlock a portal to WvW? I think you could easy dismiss it if anybody would start complaining about that.

And what I suggest would in my opinion make it more fun and less grindy. It’s exactly the absence of such drops that make many content feel boring soon and it’s exactly that currency driven way of earning things that turns everything so much into a grind. That is why I suggest it this way.. More fun, less grind, many goals.

Rambodacious.7495:

The problem is you’re forcing guilds to run dungeons. The unlock in a guild window allows players the opportunity to play how they want to and still unlock guild hall content.

If Anet wants to implement specific content to unlock GH features, they’d need to do it across four platforms and also do it equally amongst them. WvW, Dungeons, Open World and lastly, SPvP.

They might be better suited devoting design time to making these game modes better rather than implementing drop rates and rewards to unlock GH features. It would seem to be more profitable – making the game more fun, rather than more grindy.

An easy way to do it that doesn’t involve much development time is tying the unlocks to achievements from each game mode (As outlined on my proposal on page 1) The “Blueprint” could appear on a guildhall vendor after a check is done of the interacting players achievements.
For PvP each each champion title and each 10 rank title achievement could unlock stuff.
For WvW each Season title, the EOTM achievements, and possibly a new WvW achievement (since the existing ones are unusable).
For low level PvE, Map completion, Story Completion,JP’s, Each living world chapter achievement completion.
For mid level PvE, Dungeon Master, Teq, TT, etc
For High level PvE, Dunguneer sub-catagories, Fractal lvl50, Harder challenges from living world, liandri,Tribulation,Mad king clocktower.

I also feel that guilds should be forced into certain activities for more advanced rewards. It creates verity based on the guilds play style. Plus unlocks from multiple locations generally end up with one being easier than the rest leading to that being spammed. (I believe there was a reddit post earlier that showed it was actually faster to get dunguneer via PvP than by actually doing the dungeons due to the daily restrictions.)

Rambodacious.7495:

Devata.6589:

Ghotistyx.6942:

Just a couple of thoughts I’ve had while catching up on the discussion:

What are the advantages of an Open World GH over an instanced one? How would one really, fairly, place every single guild in GW2 into the open world (within their respective regions of course)

It feels more immersive, your guild-hall can now be more of a representation of your guild in the world, there go’s more pride into building and owning your guild-hall, people see each others guild-hall (from the outside) without needing be be invited in.

That would be why.

For the how questions multiple possible solutions have been given. Special guild-hall maps, sky-maps (if guild-halls would be floating airships), having a limited number of spots in the current world, have your guild-hall usually in an instance but every week or two weeks it might be in one of the open world map.

A massive undertaking for a little immersion isn’t a good trade-off. I’ll try and list all the problems with the idea:

1. Guilds currently playing have first dibs on this territory, so if it’s limited in space, future players are SOL.
2. If you try and make GH’s disappear after a given time frame of non-use, then you reduce the likelihood of players returning after a break, also bad.
3. The creation of a zone linked to each guild’s customized GH is a nightmare for coding and the zone would have to be so epicly big it would be simply be tedious to run around looking at guild halls.

Rather than look for ways to make GH’s immersive for all players visually, it’s far easier, development-wise, to focus on allowing the owners of the GH to customize within their own instance. Besides, I think we all realize there’s only so many development hours they have and we would all want more time spent on the actual GH rather than being able to see someone else’s GH in a zone.

I think it’s not a small thing I think it’s huge because it also give more reason to invest in the guild-hall and so in the game. And then there where the other reason I gave. immersion was only one.

Also the things you point out, for all of them possible solutions have already been given in this thread.

1. Some solutions that are given. Airmaps if guild-halls would be air-ships. Now you don’t really have a plot you are flying. And would it be on the ground you would only have to reserve space on the world map and then dynamically open and close maps on the ground to create the place you need. There where also some solutions with the mist and a model where you guild-hall could be in an instance but sometimes also pop up in the real world. So you would need less space in the real world.

2. In such a case you would only lose your plot (if it’s an airship it would despawn much like you yourself are gone when you log out. That might then even happen if no guild-members are online). But as soon as you log in you would only have to find a new plot and you would be able to place your guild-hall there again. So you would never lose the guild-hall only the plot / place and there is always place available if you come back.

3. You mean that it would have to be one big map that hold all guild-houses? Why could it not be multiple maps or multiple instances (overflows) of the same map. You always represent one guild at a time so you could always be send to the map your guild-hall is in.

Conski Deshan.2057:

Rambodacious.7495:

The problem is you’re forcing guilds to run dungeons. The unlock in a guild window allows players the opportunity to play how they want to and still unlock guild hall content.

If Anet wants to implement specific content to unlock GH features, they’d need to do it across four platforms and also do it equally amongst them. WvW, Dungeons, Open World and lastly, SPvP.

They might be better suited devoting design time to making these game modes better rather than implementing drop rates and rewards to unlock GH features. It would seem to be more profitable – making the game more fun, rather than more grindy.

An easy way to do it that doesn’t involve much development time is tying the unlocks to achievements from each game mode (As outlined on my proposal on page 1) The “Blueprint” could appear on a guildhall vendor after a check is done of the interacting players achievements.
For PvP each each champion title and each 10 rank title achievement could unlock stuff.
For WvW each Season title, the EOTM achievements, and possibly a new WvW achievement (since the existing ones are unusable).
For low level PvE, Map completion, Story Completion,JP’s, Each living world chapter achievement completion.
For mid level PvE, Dungeon Master, Teq, TT, etc
For High level PvE, Dunguneer sub-catagories, Fractal lvl50, Harder challenges from living world, liandri,Tribulation,Mad king clocktower.

I also feel that guilds should be forced into certain activities for more advanced rewards. It creates verity based on the guilds play style. Plus unlocks from multiple locations generally end up with one being easier than the rest leading to that being spammed. (I believe there was a reddit post earlier that showed it was actually faster to get dunguneer via PvP than by actually doing the dungeons due to the daily restrictions.)

I see you and Devata’s points. The problem is, there are many people who want to unlock content playing a game mode they’re happy to play, that they want to play. There are a lot of people that stick to one game mode and plan to for their duration of time in this game. Anet wants profitability, and one of their ongoing business models is that player’s can play how and when they want.

Really, when you think about it, it’s not that big of a deal to allow someone playing 60 hours of WvW to unlock what someone that played 20 hours of WvW, 20 hours of Dungeons and 20 hours of SPvP unlocked. They both had fun and they both played for the same amount of time. Give them both a reward – now everyone is having fun their way. I get that you want the population to spread around and try different game modes, but I don’t think it leads to maximum profitability for the reason above.

I reiterate that HOW the unlocks happen should be generic, BUT, the WHAT is unlocked is where our time in this thread should be spent, especially now that it’s a foregone conclusion that GH’s will be customizable.

Devata.6589:

Marcus Greythorne.6843:

I find some ideas here quite odd, some guys seem to forget that there are guilds as large as hundrets of players, not 5-10.

Well you would unlock a basic guild-hall / room that is available for every guild (and would not be able to hold 500 people). After that you can build upon that making it bigger. In size while not optimal but Stone Mist would be able to hold 500 people I think (while it would be pretty full) and building something of that size or even much much bigger should not be a problem for most suggestions here. Even for airships (what could not be exacly as big as guild-halls in GW1 I guess) they could be big enough to easily fit a lot of people in.

The bigger problem is that so many people in one spot would be kitten the servers but that is a complete separate problem that has not so much to do with the suggestions I have seen.

The problem can have an easy solution. If we have Alliances, and one Alliance its formed with 5 Guilds for example, we can reduce this number to 250 players in one Guild. We know 250 its a best number of people for servers, playing all in one map (same in WvW).

For example, if the Guild “Soldiers of Mursat” have 500 players, they can make 2 guilds in their alliance, have 2 Guild Halls (in 2 different maps), one for “Soldiers of Mursat 1” and other for “Soldiers of Mursat 2”. The maps can hold them, and the new alliance chats can make the communication best.

So, I’m assuming you guys don’t want crafting areas in GH’s because that would reduce the population of cities and we’re after the living world feel with bustling cities. We don’t want to create SPvP loadouts/maps because then less people are in SPvP areas. Honestly, we would want something that is unique to Guild Halls right? And something that brings players together?

Here are four ideas:

How about a series of NPC’s unlocked with everything unlocked? Like, everything. Follow me on this:

- This gear is not wearable anywhere else similar to how SPvP locks gear to the Heart of the Mists.
- It would have all the same looks/shiny things as real ascended/legendary/gem store equipment to allow players to try on various sets leading them to desire armor weapons and buy/earn them.
- There would be target dummies that provide actual Damage Per Second data allowing players the opportunity to hone their builds/gear using whatever gear they want.

There, now plenty of guildies will be sitting in their hall wielding Sunrise with Radiant Armor wishing they had these things/testing different builds/socializing.

A second idea, which Devata and others mentioned is Portals. These should definitely be involved because skipping through the Heart of the Mists is dumb. Guildies can see other guildies running toward portals and ask if they can tag along etc – social interaction and also something to unlock.

The third idea is an area that will explain, visually, conditions and boons on players. They had an area in GW1 that had NPC’s constantly burning or constantly poisoned. It would be great for new players to be able to see all the boons/conditions in action. Further, players could purposefully step in the circle with the NPC and acquire these conditions to test their survivability etc.

The last idea is a jumping puzzle. Specifically, if we’re using airships for GH’s, it could be very difficult, whereby if you fall, you fall, like down to Tyria into a random zone. The player wouldn’t necessarily die, but they might find themselves surrounded by mobs in Orr. The chest at the end of the puzzle could be labeled Guild Stash or something and be available for completion once per 24 hours.

If one had to run dungeons, or any other content as a Guild to obtain these ‘blueprints’, are said ‘blueprints’ Guild-bound? Does that mean Devs must create a new kind of binding for items, in addition to soul-bound and account-bound? What designates that this particular dungeon run, or other activity (outside of Guild Missions) will now supply a ‘blueprint’? Would it only be instanced content that awarded said ‘blueprints’? If not, how does the game determine who qualifies and who does not? Are the ‘blueprints’ an addition to the loot rolls? Guaranteed for everyone in a guild? Is the content that awards ‘blueprints’ only content that a Guild initiates just as Guild Missions? Is there a cost to initiate said content?

Will small guilds be left out, again?

Trent.5201:

We saved up 2 million influence just to spend on guild halls!!!

This is exactly why Influence or being in a big guild shouldn’t be the “gate” for building or upgrading a guild hall.

I’m not sold on the idea of blueprints being drops but if they are the most likely method of handling them would be the same way things like Letters of Commendation are handled. They drop as soul/account bound and you use them on whatever guild you’re currently repping.

In theory you could run a dungeon with Guild A, get a blueprint and use it on Guild B. But if you did that I’m sure others in Guild A would be quite unhappy with you. I believe anyone running a guild dungeon would use any blueprints found on it with that guild.

Losing your plot/place would be huge. A guild starts to identify with a location, maybe enjoys who it has for neighbors and boom! Sorry, you have to relocate IF you can find space (which, if it’s open world, you won’t after the initial landrush and griefing and flames that go with it — I have seen this is every game I’ve played with open world land ownership).

I continue to adamantly oppose decay of any sort in guild halls or player housing. Nothing can sour one on a game quite like having one’s goodies taken away just because one chose not to play a while. Consequently I equally strongly oppose open world real estate plots. Even in the Mists, if you want every guild to have an island you’ll have an urban sprawl of islands as far as the eye can see. Or airships jostling cheek by jowl to blot out the sun. Or a continent-sized subdivision. It simply won’t work.

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

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My vision on this:

Are said ‘blueprints’ Guild-bound? Yes. (At lease once unlocked)

“Does that mean Devs must create a new kind of binding for items?”

They need to design something new yes but I would see it more as an unlock then as a item. Much the same way you can now unlock skins in you wardrobe. Of course we have already something like that.. guilds can unlock things so technically they could use that (and save some development time) however I would think it would be better if this would work a little differed.. more indeed like the wardrobe but then for guilds. They might in fact be able to use the wardrobe system. They already reused it for mini’s. Only question is how hard or how easy it would be to link it to a guild.

“The question left open is what would happen if you take up a blue-print?” I would think it would work like taking a using a blue-print in WvW. You have something in your hand that you can place but now you are not able to take it back into your inventory and If you leave the guild-hall area it will be gone.. The blue-print wardrobe will then be available in your basic guild-hall you unlock before you can start building and expanding it.

“What designates that this particular dungeon run, or other activity (outside of Guild Missions) will now supply a ‘blueprint’?”
2 things. 1 you do it with guild-members only (all representing) and 2 the items blue-print is in a way linked to that content. It might drop as RNG loot that you pick up and then unlock for your representing guild. It should be easy I think to only RNG drop things that your guild has not yet unlocked.. remember are you doing the dungeon with people representing different guilds it will not drop. (if it’s a guild specific content drop / unlock)

“Would it only be instanced content that awarded said ‘blueprints’?” No guild-missions could as well and a World Boss could also. Now then the “you only do it with guild-members” elements would be gone but it might then work just as letters of commendations. It drops for a player and he double clicks it to unlock it for his guild (or it unlocks automatically much like a skin does when I buy it from a karma vendor but then it would not really be an item). I don’t know how the loot system works but it is maybe possible to only give a player blue-prints for his guild that are not unlocked yet. Also activating one of the world-bosses and completing it (also with other guild-people) might be a way to unlock something. However if it’s something you do specifically with a guild (a guild, guild-missions or starting a guild-boss) I would think it would give ‘better’ blue-prints then the ones members can get as drops or unlocks themselves.

“not, how does the game determine who qualifies and who does not?”
Well that depends how the loot system works but most likely by if and what guild he is representing.

“Are the ‘blueprints’ an addition to the loot rolls?”
In that case yes they would.

“Guaranteed for everyone in a guild?”
I don’t get this question but only one person has to get it, he uses it (just as the letter of commendation) and then that blue-print unlocks for the guild of what the guild is able to use it (all members) if they have building rights.

“Is the content that awards ‘blueprints’ only content that a Guild initiates just as Guild Missions?”
No but the best blue-prints would be. And then with a guild initiating the content I also mean doing a dungeon with all members representing that guild, or starting a world boss, or claiming a keep in WvW or doing guild-missions. But a member doing an event might also get a blue-print to drop or unlock it by doing something. But while doing a dungeon with the guild could maybe reward a portal a single person who gets a drop would never get a portal but maybe one of the many wall blue-prints.

“Is there a cost to initiate said content?”
Depends on the content. Claiming or doing a dungeon does not. Guild missions or starting a world boss now cost influence. But for me personally it would not need to require a cost to do the content no.

“Will small guilds be left out, again?”
Overall no. There might be some content they can not do and so blue-prints they can not get. (Small guilds can maybe not unlock guild-missions and so also not get the blueprints you earn that way) also blue-prints that drop in the world will be faster obtained by guilds with many people in the world then by guilds with few people in the world. But overall small and big guilds would be able to get there guidl-hall, earn / unlock / get blue-prints and so start building and expanding on there guild-hall the way they like. So small guilds would for sure not be left out here.

Torsailr.8456:

I’m not sold on the idea of blueprints being drops but if they are the most likely method of handling them would be the same way things like Letters of Commendation are handled. They drop as soul/account bound and you use them on whatever guild you’re currently repping.

In theory you could run a dungeon with Guild A, get a blueprint and use it on Guild B. But if you did that I’m sure others in Guild A would be quite unhappy with you. I believe anyone running a guild dungeon would use any blueprints found on it with that guild.

Thats exactly how I envisioned them. Unlocks directly send to the guild where that would make sense (like how achievements work) and when it are item drops they would work as how now Letters of Commendation work. Those ones would be the ones that would not require guild specific things.

Indeed the negative is that people would then be able to use it on another guild when going to rep another guild (maybe not a huge problem but it might also mean the blue-prints become not special anymore). What I would try to do however (if the loot system allows it) was to only drop something for your guild if it’s not unlocked yet. This should not increase the drop change (if Blueprint x would have dropped but it’s already unlocked you just get nothing.. not blue-print Y or another roll) . Doing it this way would prevent having a lot of blue-prints and repping other guilds for a moment to unlock it for them (because your main guild already has it) and so making blue-prints nothing special because everybody has a lot of them. I just don’t know if the loot system allows for that.

It might be even better if you don’t get it as a item but it unlocks directly for the guild you now represent. This would also prevent that blue-prints would not be special because everybody gets them and gives them to guilds who need them.

Iason Evan.3806:

Trent.5201:

We saved up 2 million influence just to spend on guild halls!!!

This is exactly why Influence or being in a big guild shouldn’t be the “gate” for building or upgrading a guild hall.

Exactly. This type of carrot would either 1) Kill smaller guilds or 2) Force smaller guilds to merge. With Anet these days you never know, but this is an obvious pitfall to avoid.

Gathering blueprints to form guild halls is a good idea. It shouldn’t be based on chance, rather a reward for killing a boss or completing a meta-event.

Why should blueprints be items? Why can’t they be “building plans” unlocked on the guild after completing a certain task. For example, if you want to have Building Plans for, I don’t know, a Kitchen in your GH, there can be an NPC inside of it, that will request you to activate a special guild mission, and if you complete it, you unlock the building plans for a kitchen and a cook, because why not. It could be along the lines of helping some cook achieve something.

Also, I think that the way of unlocking things, shouldn’t be “everything has an equivalent for any possible way of playing the game”, but rather, if you play sPvP, you can get there, some unlocks related to that activity (be it arenas, halls of fame, etc), or in PvE being able to get unlocks about exploring or gathering resources, like getting a garden, a farm, or whatever.

So, then the ‘blueprint’ would need to be Guild-bound. If these ’blueprint’s drop in open-world content, then they are either Guild-bound to whatever Guild the player is representing, or they work like Letters of Commendation, which would be much preferable, and would not require so much Dev resources. Requiring all players to represent the same Guild can only work in instances; I’m not sure how easy or difficult that is to encode.

I’m not sure having things Guild-bound would work. That would mean the item must change its function depending on whether someone was representing or not, and which Guild they were representing if they were representing.

I meant if the content were, say, a WB, would everyone representing a Guild be guaranteed a ‘blueprint’, or are they RNG? Or are they RNG regardless if the player is representing or not?

If the Devs were to implement something that was to be used to ‘unlock’ any part of a Guild Hall, it would be best (and least resource-intensive) for it to be just like Letters of Commendation. I suppose the loot roll would be either determined by the content, or it would be like Precursors…able to drop anywhere.

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

If one had to run dungeons, or any other content as a Guild to obtain these ‘blueprints’, are said ‘blueprints’ Guild-bound? Does that mean Devs must create a new kind of binding for items, in addition to soul-bound and account-bound? What designates that this particular dungeon run, or other activity (outside of Guild Missions) will now supply a ‘blueprint’? Would it only be instanced content that awarded said ‘blueprints’? If not, how does the game determine who qualifies and who does not? Are the ‘blueprints’ an addition to the loot rolls? Guaranteed for everyone in a guild? Is the content that awards ‘blueprints’ only content that a Guild initiates just as Guild Missions? Is there a cost to initiate said content?

Will small guilds be left out, again?

I think I can chime in…
(Note: my ‘blueprints’ are ‘item recipes’, and my ‘guild materials’ is your ‘blueprints’ I think.)

As a part of my ‘Guild Workbench’ concept, I made a “Build and Unlock Items” post discussing how items are made. Have a look specifically at ‘Guild Materials’. I also then discussed how ‘Guild Materials’ could be implemented in a later “Concepts/Systems 2” post (towards the bottom).

I think I answer/bring up most of your questions in those posts, so I’ll only comment on “Will small guilds be left out, again?”:
Small guilds should be able to make all the items large guild make. My concept uses influence/merits/‘guild materials’ as currency to complete items, so yes it might take small guilds longer to unlock items compared to larger guilds. This is like the existing influence/merit guild upgrades system, but some people in smaller guilds don’t like it? There is still progression and therefore a sense of accomplishment which why, IMO, I think my concept and the existing guild upgrades system works/will work.

A personal example: I’m not in a huge guild myself and we’re finally upgrading our last category to Level 6. Yes it’s taken us longer than if we had dozens of extra people, but the progression and reward is fulfilling (IMO).

Baltzenger.2467:

Huddo.1065:

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@Baltzenger (in reply to this post).

Haha, why does everyone want ‘infographics’ or ‘powerpoints’ to go with all my big posts lol (this is only 2nd time I’ve done a huge post, my first was on my own server’s forum).

Thanks for your compliments. I know, everyone wants things now, but I think you agreed that a ‘really solid implementation later’, is better than a ‘rushed implementation sooner’. I really should be diving into my assignments, buuut I’ll have a crack at your request.

After writing a couple of long sections with the initial intention of answering your request, I don’t think I can really give an order of implementations due to there being a choice of three main approaches for physically expanding your GH.

Instead, I’ll discuss implementation priorities with respect to the concepts/systems mentioned above:

An Example

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Again, I’d personally prefer everything to be under ‘initially’ so GH’s are introduced in their entirety in one big update. But what I’m listing here is trying to draw out implementation as much as I can as an example. (Gradually introduce different levels of customizability).

1. Initially:

• An updated guild window (first step in acquiring GH), travel button
• At least location selection (and GH Theme selection if Approach 3)
• (A limited GH is available, no customization)

2. Introduce customization:

• Item shop (some items)
• Workbench: building items, edit mode (substantial editing tools)
• Item catalogue (/item wardrobe)

3. Eventually add:

• More items/rooms to item shop
• Workbench: build mode (for Approaches 1&2)
• For Approach 3: GH Theme system to allow upgrading from you ‘very basic GH’

4. Some of the last things you could implement:

• Multi-storey GH’s
• High-end items
• Guild Materials system (plus bank collection tab for them)
• Large scale ‘opening GH to the public’ system
• Activity/game roster system

Thank you very much, this is what I was looking for.
I think with this kind of setup, we could have GH sooner, without sacrificing the level of depth we want from the system too!

To this point I think I’ll wait for the weekend and see what Chris can tell us about his ideas and the direction we can take from here.

No worries :)

A lot of folks have put forth good ideas; as a former GW1 and dedicated GW2 player, a few things I’d like to see are:

1. A ‘Go To Guild Hall’ button in the Guild pane

2. Like in GW1, an island— here you could make that in the mists or wherever you’d want, since the islands were apparently swamped— basically decent room for a lot of folks without forcing them all in one place

3. Merchants and Guild-specific merchants

4. GvG (though this might take time, since it’s a bunch of different pvp maps; granted you can reskin a few as was done in GW1.

5. The ability to choose different themes, either based on race, region, whatever.

6. Some customisability would be nice but I’d just be happy with something similar to GW1’s. It would allow a guild to group together to do guild-wide gatherings without needing to constantly taxi over in the open world, which for mine would be great.

7. Guesting, same as in GW1.

What I’d hate to see is some kind of rent system. Just like with the game itself, and everything else in it, there shouldn’t be a monthly tax/fee to keep playing. If real life gets hairy for a while, folks shouldn’t lose what they worked for.

Vix.6730:

Iason Evan.3806:

Trent.5201:

We saved up 2 million influence just to spend on guild halls!!!

This is exactly why Influence or being in a big guild shouldn’t be the “gate” for building or upgrading a guild hall.

Exactly. This type of carrot would either 1) Kill smaller guilds or 2) Force smaller guilds to merge. With Anet these days you never know, but this is an obvious pitfall to avoid.

Gathering blueprints to form guild halls is a good idea. It shouldn’t be based on chance, rather a reward for killing a boss or completing a meta-event.

For the more important ones I agree it should be a reward / unlock for doing something specific like killing a boss or completing a dungeons and so on. But I can imagine there are many many many different type of walls and doors and windows and chairs and decorations and so on available. Imho they would be fine to just randomly (so rng) drop.

That would however still then drop in specific places! so if you want a specific one you know you can do that specific content and should be able to get that soon enough. No general world drops that means you can’t work directly towards them.