Guild Wars 2

LOL unlike the OP, I actually looking forward to a sub based MMO. Why? you may asked. It is because like a lot of people I am sick of all the so called free to play MMO. I always end up spending more money than I am on a sub based MMO. Also I am sick of the RNG and P2W rubbish.

As far as GW2 goes, it is fairly good value for money. Sadly, maybe because it has no sub, Anet don’t seem to be able to afford to make an expansion like a sub based MMO lile WoW which has just announce yet another expansion. Something that no doubt will help them to bring back a lot of old players and new alike.

As far as B2P, I think only Ever Quest Next is following that model. Every other new MMOs are either sub or f2p.

Cloudwalkernz.1328:

LOL unlike the OP, I actually looking forward to a sub based MMO. Why? you may asked. It is because like a lot of people I am sick of all the so called free to play MMO. I always end up spending more money than I am on a sub based MMO. Also I am sick of the RNG and P2W rubbish.

As far as GW2 goes, it is fairly good value for money. Sadly, maybe because it has no sub, Anet don’t seem to be able to afford to make an expansion like a sub based MMO lile WoW which has just announce yet another expansion. Something that no doubt will help them to bring back a lot of old players and new alike.

As far as B2P, I think only Ever Quest Next is following that model. Every other new MMOs are either sub or f2p.

I see. I see. I will be looking into this ever quest next you speak of sir. As far as expansions, GW2 has added quite a bit of new material since launch. I think they are looking to go in a different direction than traditional mmo’s and judging by all of the servers staying full, they seem to be doing something right at the moment. Time will tell I guess.

Thanks for the reply.

Meh, GW2 is good value unless you are a member of a larger gaming community that wants to play together. The Guild System in GW2 is atrocious. Graphics and whatnot are all nice but once you start trying to communicate and organize the glaring defaults in GW2 become apparent (such as the commanders tags).

I gotta agree wholeheartedly with Cloudwalkernz. Instead of giving us some more skins to by with gems give us private chat channels or a redesign of the commander tags or at least the ability to form groups larger than 5 or give guild leaders the ability to see when people last logged on or

Cloudwalkernz.1328:

LOL unlike the OP, I actually looking forward to a sub based MMO. Why? you may asked. It is because like a lot of people I am sick of all the so called free to play MMO. I always end up spending more money than I am on a sub based MMO. Also I am sick of the RNG and P2W rubbish.

As far as GW2 goes, it is fairly good value for money. Sadly, maybe because it has no sub, Anet don’t seem to be able to afford to make an expansion like a sub based MMO lile WoW which has just announce yet another expansion. Something that no doubt will help them to bring back a lot of old players and new alike.

As far as B2P, I think only Ever Quest Next is following that model. Every other new MMOs are either sub or f2p.

Their not making an expansion because they can’t afford it, it is a choice of theirs. They plan on release expansion style content over time and for free instead. Guild Wars 2 is making more money per month then the vast majority of the sub MMOs are, I think Lineage and WoW are the only sub games that beat it, and both of those games have been released world wide and in the biggest MMO markets in the world, where as Guild Wars 2 has not.

If NCSoft hadn’t assassinated City of Heroes, I’d still be paying my monthly sub to Paragon Studios.

So much of what I hate about how GW2 is developing is tied directly to how they have to try to shepherd us back into the Gem Store each month. Every single complaint I have about the Living Story clusterkitten ultimately points back to that. Good for you enjoying it I guess, but I consider it an unmitigated failure. Congratulations to ArenaNet, who talked me out of ever giving them money again at least six months ago. I’m sure they’re super enthusiastic to keep accepting my daily logins.

Can’t play another pay to play MMO because the game hasn’t released yet .

eisberg.2379:

Cloudwalkernz.1328:

LOL unlike the OP, I actually looking forward to a sub based MMO. Why? you may asked. It is because like a lot of people I am sick of all the so called free to play MMO. I always end up spending more money than I am on a sub based MMO. Also I am sick of the RNG and P2W rubbish.

As far as GW2 goes, it is fairly good value for money. Sadly, maybe because it has no sub, Anet don’t seem to be able to afford to make an expansion like a sub based MMO lile WoW which has just announce yet another expansion. Something that no doubt will help them to bring back a lot of old players and new alike.

As far as B2P, I think only Ever Quest Next is following that model. Every other new MMOs are either sub or f2p.

Their not making an expansion because they can’t afford it, it is a choice of theirs. They plan on release expansion style content over time and for free instead. Guild Wars 2 is making more money per month then the vast majority of the sub MMOs are, I think Lineage and WoW are the only sub games that beat it, and both of those games have been released world wide and in the biggest MMO markets in the world, where as Guild Wars 2 has not.

So do ya think, as time goes on, GW2 will beat them ?

Kalla.4290:

Meh, GW2 is good value unless you are a member of a larger gaming community that wants to play together. The Guild System in GW2 is atrocious. Graphics and whatnot are all nice but once you start trying to communicate and organize the glaring defaults in GW2 become apparent (such as the commanders tags).

I gotta agree wholeheartedly with Cloudwalkernz. Instead of giving us some more skins to by with gems give us private chat channels or a redesign of the commander tags or at least the ability to form groups larger than 5 or give guild leaders the ability to see when people last logged on or

Maybe the reason I like this mmo above others is because I like to solo. This game is very solo friendly. You don’t have to put up with elitism and players who look to make gameplay difficult for others just because they can if you choose not too. There seems to always be something for a player who likes to venture off on their own, to do.

I won’t play an MMO if it doesn’t have autogrouping and scaling. I want to play with my friends even if they put more time in, and I want to do this without rolling alts or having a huge power gap.

I won’t play an MMO that doesn’t let me dodge. I’m sick of getting stabbed from across the room.

Pay to play MMOs don’t bother me. I’d gladly pay to play an MMO I enjoyed playing. My problem is, pay to play MMOs don’t match my play style at all, and I’ve tried most of them.

Yes, I’d love to ride this eagle for five minutes to get to where I’m going. Yes, I’d love to run the same dungeon over over over again for a chance to get this piece of gear that I’ll NEED for the next dungeon.

I don’t mind running stuff over and over again for options…because that leaves the choice up to me.

Pay to play MMOs are gear towards specific types of players. I’m not one of them.

GuildWarsPlayer.5608:

eisberg.2379:

Cloudwalkernz.1328:

LOL unlike the OP, I actually looking forward to a sub based MMO. Why? you may asked. It is because like a lot of people I am sick of all the so called free to play MMO. I always end up spending more money than I am on a sub based MMO. Also I am sick of the RNG and P2W rubbish.

As far as GW2 goes, it is fairly good value for money. Sadly, maybe because it has no sub, Anet don’t seem to be able to afford to make an expansion like a sub based MMO lile WoW which has just announce yet another expansion. Something that no doubt will help them to bring back a lot of old players and new alike.

As far as B2P, I think only Ever Quest Next is following that model. Every other new MMOs are either sub or f2p.

Their not making an expansion because they can’t afford it, it is a choice of theirs. They plan on release expansion style content over time and for free instead. Guild Wars 2 is making more money per month then the vast majority of the sub MMOs are, I think Lineage and WoW are the only sub games that beat it, and both of those games have been released world wide and in the biggest MMO markets in the world, where as Guild Wars 2 has not.

So do ya think, as time goes on, GW2 will beat them ?

Most likely not WoW, but I think it has a good chance to beat Lineage.

I dunno why Gw2 beating other MMOs is so important for everyone :/

If it’s good, it’s good. That isn’t dependent on its view in light of WoW or SWTOR or anything else. GW2 is a free and independant game :L

Cloudwalkernz.1328:

LOL unlike the OP, I actually looking forward to a sub based MMO. Why? you may asked. It is because like a lot of people I am sick of all the so called free to play MMO. I always end up spending more money than I am on a sub based MMO. Also I am sick of the RNG and P2W rubbish.

As far as GW2 goes, it is fairly good value for money. Sadly, maybe because it has no sub, Anet don’t seem to be able to afford to make an expansion like a sub based MMO lile WoW which has just announce yet another expansion. Something that no doubt will help them to bring back a lot of old players and new alike.

As far as B2P, I think only Ever Quest Next is following that model. Every other new MMOs are either sub or f2p.

P2P doesn’t stop RNG and P2W. :s and they’re actually making too much money to need to add an xpansion, so we’ll have to wait till profits slow down a bit. :<

Vayne.8563:

Pay to play MMOs don’t bother me. I’d gladly pay to play an MMO I enjoyed playing. My problem is, pay to play MMOs don’t match my play style at all, and I’ve tried most of them.

Yes, I’d love to ride this eagle for five minutes to get to where I’m going. Yes, I’d love to run the same dungeon over over over again for a chance to get this piece of gear that I’ll NEED for the next dungeon.

I don’t mind running stuff over and over again for options…because that leaves the choice up to me.

Pay to play MMOs are gear towards specific types of players. I’m not one of them.

I’m like you when it comes to play style. I really like GW2’s combat mechanics. Some of the other mmo’s I’ve tried didn’t keep me around because of their lack of a combat system I find appealing. GW2 has really done a good job with their combat system IMO.

I’m happy with GW2 when it comes to paying them. I like to support the game, so I will spend $10/mo IF there is something I want to buy that month. Still less than I paid for WoW and I feel like I’m getting more out of it while also paying less.

You CAN spend a lot more than $10/mo on GW2, I’m sure – but you can also spend $0/mo. I took a few months off to work on some personal projects and it was nice to not have to cancel a sub and then reinstate it – I just stopped and then came back when I wanted to.

It works for me, maybe not everyone else. That’s why there are different formats out there. I know I don’t like “Free to Play” in general – but some people must find that works for them because those games exist and people do play them. Whatever works for whoever.

I don’t see the point of this post but I agree with all but the new content, not against it but hate the rush or lose policy. The whole point of B2P is not to be forced to play to avoid missing content.

Anyways, the dodge system, the ability to fight while moving, the lack of endless LF DPS/Healer and WTS spam, the stunning graphics/animation (though the seems to screw a little that) and the “we will not milk you like a cheap cow every single month so you can kill the same re-skinned mobs over and over” is what keep me from playing other games.

Why are people complaining about sub fees? They are typically trivial amounts per month. Like, eat at McDonald’s one time less per month and there you go.

daimasei.4091:

I don’t see the point of this post but I agree with all but the new content, not against it but hate the rush or lose policy. The whole point of B2P is not to be forced to play to avoid missing content.

Anyways, the dodge system, the ability to fight while moving, the lack of endless LF DPS/Healer and WTS spam, the stunning graphics/animation (though the seems to screw a little that) and the “we will not milk you like a cheap cow every single month so you can kill the same re-skinned mobs over and over” is what keep me from playing other games.

Don’t take this the wrong and I’m not trying to spark an argument but I have to ask you one question. If you don’t see the point in a post, why would you make a comment on the post you say you don’t see the point of ?

Dark Catalyst.1028:

Why are people complaining about sub fees? They are typically trivial amounts per month. Like, eat at McDonald’s one time less per month and there you go.

No one is complaining about sub fee’s. Some of us just prefer the buy to play genre that is available at the moment.

Dark Catalyst.1028:

Why are people complaining about sub fees? They are typically trivial amounts per month. Like, eat at McDonald’s one time less per month and there you go.

I’m certainly not complaining about sub fees. I’m complaining about the games that have them, because I think they all suck (at least all the ones I’ve tried have). So why would I pay a sub fee, not to have fun. I don’t want another sub fee game, because I think the content of those games is inferior. I don’t believe they fix bugs faster. I don’t believe they are generally less buggy. I don’t believe they’re more fun.

Sub fee games, to me, have been crap…but it’s not because of the sub fee.

Dark Catalyst.1028:

Why are people complaining about sub fees? They are typically trivial amounts per month. Like, eat at McDonald’s one time less per month and there you go.

Bad for your health either way.

Vayne.8563:

Dark Catalyst.1028:

Why are people complaining about sub fees? They are typically trivial amounts per month. Like, eat at McDonald’s one time less per month and there you go.

I’m certainly not complaining about sub fees. I’m complaining about the games that have them, because I think they all suck (at least all the ones I’ve tried have). So why would I pay a sub fee, not to have fun. I don’t want another sub fee game, because I think the content of those games is inferior. I don’t believe they fix bugs faster. I don’t believe they are generally less buggy. I don’t believe they’re more fun.

Sub fee games, to me, have been crap…but it’s not because of the sub fee.

I agree. I mentioned this point in the original post. The games I used to sub just aren’t as good as GW2, IMO.

GuildWarsPlayer.5608:

Don’t take this the wrong and I’m not trying to spark an argument but I have to ask you one question. If you don’t see the point in a post, why would you make a comment on the post you say you don’t see the point of ?

Mmh, I suppose I did it for the same reason you started an argument even after saying you aren’t trying to spark an argument.

I just can’t play other MMOs because of how much better the genre plays without the trinity system.

If there were a better game which required a reasonable monthly fee, I would pay it. However, most still fall back on the trinity, and GW2 has proven that no MMO can play as well under that rigid system as one without.

I on the other hand got sick of a game which revolves around a gem store :/ GW2 is good in certain aspects but I can’t help to think if they focused their efforts less on the gem store/rng items and more on making real content which is relatively bug free, this game could have been so much more.

I was a hard core GW1 player and a “casual” or semi casual here.

I’m really banking on GW2 being my last online mmorpg…. (no I’m not near death, I just want to stop playing games like I depent on them)

Not exactly what I had envisioned but hey… it’s keeping stuck here. Here’s hoping for a Cantha release in the next year!

I won’t pay a sub because the one I have played ended costing me a fortune for game content on top of the sub.
I don’t like the trinity, I don’t like having my class tied to race and I hate being forced to group.
I don’t like FtP games because they mostly suck and have horrible communities

So yes I love GW2

eisberg.2379:

GuildWarsPlayer.5608:

eisberg.2379:

Cloudwalkernz.1328:

LOL unlike the OP, I actually looking forward to a sub based MMO. Why? you may asked. It is because like a lot of people I am sick of all the so called free to play MMO. I always end up spending more money than I am on a sub based MMO. Also I am sick of the RNG and P2W rubbish.

As far as GW2 goes, it is fairly good value for money. Sadly, maybe because it has no sub, Anet don’t seem to be able to afford to make an expansion like a sub based MMO lile WoW which has just announce yet another expansion. Something that no doubt will help them to bring back a lot of old players and new alike.

As far as B2P, I think only Ever Quest Next is following that model. Every other new MMOs are either sub or f2p.

Their not making an expansion because they can’t afford it, it is a choice of theirs. They plan on release expansion style content over time and for free instead. Guild Wars 2 is making more money per month then the vast majority of the sub MMOs are, I think Lineage and WoW are the only sub games that beat it, and both of those games have been released world wide and in the biggest MMO markets in the world, where as Guild Wars 2 has not.

So do ya think, as time goes on, GW2 will beat them ?

Most likely not WoW, but I think it has a good chance to beat Lineage.

I think at some point the age of WoW will catch up with it at which point yes GW will . Do i care? Meh not really.

I tried to play some subscription based MMOs, and they couldn’t keep the content coming fast enough. I’m spoiled by GW2’s updates every 2 weeks.

My current problem is this. Great stuff in the gem store. Not so much in these games or updates, and not multiple ways to earn rewards and or buy them. No expansion talk at all. We get LS which last me 1-2 days and then I sit and wait another 2 weeks.

Sounds great I know, only 2 weeks. In the mean time I am bored and have little to do.
I love this game, I love the lore I just want a full expansion with new fully fleshed out zones, skills, race, perhaps class, etc etc…

Conncept.7638:

I just can’t play other MMOs because of how much better the genre plays without the trinity system.

If there were a better game which required a reasonable monthly fee, I would pay it. However, most still fall back on the trinity, and GW2 has proven that no MMO can play as well under that rigid system as one without.

GW2 has not proven that. That is merely a personal preference on your part. I personally hated not having the trinity. I don’t think GW2 is inferior to other MMOs because of this. However, I know other MMOs are more my style. I love having 3 characters that purpose are different (healing, tanking, damage dealer) and enjoy the playstyle variety. Neither approach is superior just focused on different audiences.

When I originally stopped playing GW2 I had every intention of coming back at a later time to experience the added content(was hoping for an expansion). However all the temporary content killed that intention. I want to play the content when I have time not only when it is available. I don’t think b2p, p2p, or f2p matters as long as you feel like you get your moneys worth. I know I did with GW2, I know I have with the subscription games I have played, and the only f2p game I have spent money on I spent 60$ because I felt it was worth a full retail game and not because I was forced to buy something.

KOPPER.1458:

My current problem is this. Great stuff in the gem store. Not so much in these games or updates, and not multiple ways to earn rewards and or buy them. No expansion talk at all. We get LS which last me 1-2 days and then I sit and wait another 2 weeks.

Sounds great I know, only 2 weeks. In the mean time I am bored and have little to do.
I love this game, I love the lore I just want a full expansion with new fully fleshed out zones, skills, race, perhaps class, etc etc…

So you’d finish an expansion in a month and not have anything to do for the rest of the year? Probably not going to be any better for you.

eisberg.2379:

Their not making an expansion because they can’t afford it, it is a choice of theirs. They plan on release expansion style content over time and for free instead. Guild Wars 2 is making more money per month then the vast majority of the sub MMOs are, I think Lineage and WoW are the only sub games that beat it, and both of those games have been released world wide and in the biggest MMO markets in the world, where as Guild Wars 2 has not.

What other subscription MMOs are there? It is Eve? Eve is an extremely niche MMO and it makes roughly 17 million dollars a year. GW2 last quarter made 26 million dollars. Is there any other subscription MMOs you are comparing it with?

I believe NCSoft has another sales call coming up next week, hopefully GW2 doesn’t go down another 30% like it did last quarter or it will be in Eve range in terms of revenue. SWTOR supposedly has 500k subscribers and makes just as much as GW2.

The problem with GW2 at the moment when it comes to revenue, is that unless they release an expansion, revenue will keep going down. At least based on the trend I am seeing currently.

Conncept.7638:

I just can’t play other MMOs because of how much better the genre plays without the trinity system.

If there were a better game which required a reasonable monthly fee, I would pay it. However, most still fall back on the trinity, and GW2 has proven that no MMO can play as well under that rigid system as one without.

I kinda miss trinity and being a healer or doing any role. I’m bored with GW2 style- everything zerker. Before lunch I thought that there wil be roles of damage control and support. They exist but damage is most efficient and support and especially control are being ingored.
In GW2 we have dodge and downed mechanic that are substitute of tank and healer. I enjoy the combat but I dislike chaotic feel of it especially when there are more than 5 people.

playandchill.3908:

Cant wait for next subbed mmo.

I don’t mind paying subscription at all, if the game is good. I won’t pay subs to bad/average games.

I’m down with the “buy to play” payment model, and I don’t mind a subscription fee, either. But as has been shown often, having a sub has enticed games that have it as a means to “milk” it, shaping facets of the gameplay to take advantage of it.

Unfortunately, I feel that GW2 follows a similar path, essentially attempting to “make up” for the lack of it. The thing that screams this the most to me is turning cash into gold. Given that they’ve stated that they currently have no plans with an expansion, it rings all the more true.

I’ll agree, GW2 definitely has loads of ideas that make it hard for me to go back to more “traditional” MMOs, but more than that I think it’s shown me that I can’t really get into MMOs – period.

eisberg.2379:

Most likely not WoW, but I think it has a good chance to beat Lineage.

I just looked at the last report from NCSoft and Lineage made 3 times what GW2 made, wow. It is unbelievable how a game that is 15 years old is doing so well. There is no way in hell it catches up to that.

Another surprising thing is that GW2 and Aion are neck in neck in terms of revenue. Another shocker.

Those Koreans must love their mmos.

I think people are forgetting that Guild Wars 2 has yet to launch in China which will be a boost, possibly a significant boost to revenues.

And I don’t think any other MMO offers the type of experience GW 2 offers players. It may not be the experience everyone wants, but clearly some people do. It’s the reason I can’t play other MMOs right now, though I acknowledge it’s possible MMOs that fit my play style my come out in the future. Right now, however, there’s nothing but this MMO for players like me. Without this, I’d be forced to stick to single player games.

That just further solidifies what I’ve been saying: that MMOs cannot be without methods and means of monetizing gameplay, regardless of the payment model. Is a world with a large amount of people playing together simultaneously that hard to maintain? Or is it more the result of everyone riding the “hypetrain”, putting on loads of expectation from the players, developers, and other backers?

Definitely a bit of both, but I think that GW2 being hailed as the “second coming of MMO-Christ” hurt more than it helped.

daimasei.4091:

GuildWarsPlayer.5608:

Don’t take this the wrong and I’m not trying to spark an argument but I have to ask you one question. If you don’t see the point in a post, why would you make a comment on the post you say you don’t see the point of ?

Mmh, I suppose I did it for the same reason you started an argument even after saying you aren’t trying to spark an argument.

Clearly you have " starting an argument " confused with " asking a question" so with that said, I will be the bigger person and bow out of what you perceive to be an argument. The last word is yours sir/mam.

Appreciate your reply, have a good day.

bAss ackwards.7205:

I tried to play some subscription based MMOs, and they couldn’t keep the content coming fast enough. I’m spoiled by GW2’s updates every 2 weeks.

Another fact that I agree with. I’ve played quite a few mmo’s, which I no longer do, because the content is pretty much the same. Why would I PAY to run the same content over and over again when GW2 doesn’t charge for new content ?

If GW2 for some reason, ceased to exist ( which I highly doubt at this point ) I wouldn’t go back to subbing for a sub par mmo. Simply can’t do it.

I think a lot of us (not all before someone get offended again) just wait for the newer mmo’s to be released or getting out of beta. Subscription fee or not, at this point people rather pay the subscription than jumping to free to play mmo’s or sticking around in older and bad updated games. GW2 is a good game, don’t get me wrong but it’s getting old without the effort of new content being released that’s yet challenging and keeps players excited in the long run. We will see where this goes in a couple of weeks/months.

I feel the same way, but for me it was playing subscription games that put me off them.

Also I find it odd that some people would prefer to pay a sub and get expansion packs than pay nothing and get free updates. The subscription doesn’t pay for that expansion pack, you will have to pay extra for it, quite likely the same price you paid for the original game. The subscription just grants you permission to play the game you’ve already paid full price for, and the opportunity to buy more things from the now inevitable in-game store.

I think that’s what really put me off – it never seems to be one or the other these days, it’s just piling more ways to pay on top of each other.

“Free” to play games have a cash shop and rely on that for all their income so they’re constantly pushing you to buy, usually through literal pay to win where you can’t get anywhere without cash shop items. (Or even have to buy access to anywhere outside the starting zones.)

Buy to play splits the income between selling copies and cash shop sales and likewise splits the pressure between trying to draw in new players and trying to get existing players to buy new items.

Subscription games sell you the original copy of the game, then sell you a subscription then sell you extra items in a cash shop. And then sell expansions on top of that.

Aside from f2p which I’ve never seen done well none of the models is guarenteed to be good or bad, it depends on a lot of different factors. But I’ve not found a subscription game where I feel it’s justified to keep charging me for the game I’ve already got and any updates it gets. Whereas I think GW2 has been well worth the price I paid and I could easily have never spent a penny more. (I have spent more, but only for cosmetics, mainly minis, which I don’t need.)

Danikat.8537:

I feel the same way, but for me it was playing subscription games that put me off them.

Also I find it odd that some people would prefer to pay a sub and get expansion packs than pay nothing and get free updates. The subscription doesn’t pay for that expansion pack, you will have to pay extra for it, quite likely the same price you paid for the original game. The subscription just grants you permission to play the game you’ve already paid full price for, and the opportunity to buy more things from the now inevitable in-game store.

I think that’s what really put me off – it never seems to be one or the other these days, it’s just piling more ways to pay on top of each other.

“Free” to play games have a cash shop and rely on that for all their income so they’re constantly pushing you to buy, usually through literal pay to win where you can’t get anywhere without cash shop items. (Or even have to buy access to anywhere outside the starting zones.)

Buy to play splits the income between selling copies and cash shop sales and likewise splits the pressure between trying to draw in new players and trying to get existing players to buy new items.

Subscription games sell you the original copy of the game, then sell you a subscription then sell you extra items in a cash shop. And then sell expansions on top of that.

Aside from f2p which I’ve never seen done well none of the models is guarenteed to be good or bad, it depends on a lot of different factors. But I’ve not found a subscription game where I feel it’s justified to keep charging me for the game I’ve already got and any updates it gets. Whereas I think GW2 has been well worth the price I paid and I could easily have never spent a penny more. (I have spent more, but only for cosmetics, mainly minis, which I don’t need.)

Well put. I agree with this outlook. I think people are more prone to support games where they don’t feel forced to pay in order to enjoy the game they have already paid for.

It’s not the price of the subscription for sub based games that turns some players off, it’s the idea of continuously charging a player to simply play a game that has already been purchased.

Opynn.2936:

Conncept.7638:

I just can’t play other MMOs because of how much better the genre plays without the trinity system.

If there were a better game which required a reasonable monthly fee, I would pay it. However, most still fall back on the trinity, and GW2 has proven that no MMO can play as well under that rigid system as one without.

I kinda miss trinity and being a healer or doing any role. I’m bored with GW2 style- everything zerker. Before lunch I thought that there wil be roles of damage control and support. They exist but damage is most efficient and support and especially control are being ingored.
In GW2 we have dodge and downed mechanic that are substitute of tank and healer. I enjoy the combat but I dislike chaotic feel of it especially when there are more than 5 people.

This is the main reason why most people which don’t like the anti-trinity feel so, which is disappointing as it is a load of nonsense. I can do speed runs of any dungeon in my 30/10/30/0/0 toughness/condi/precision Ele with full glyphs, most useless stat allocation in the game and a set of skills I think I’ve only ever seen two of used by anybody else. I speed run an AoE givers/minionmancer necro, I’ve even taken my auramancer build through speed runs, and it’s still in mostly yellow gear.

The ‘zerker meta’ is a myth made up by elitists, it only exists if you think it does.

You can play however you want so long as you know the dungeon and how to play your build. Including much more varied methods of support than any other game I know of, even in speed runs. The only thing you can’t do is tank, which frankly is and has always been an unrealistic and uncreative method of play. That doesn’t mean you can’t be tanky, and except on a few of ANets worst made bosses and dungeon paths tanky characters are useful, but nobodies job is or should be to continually soak up damage against an enemy mindlessly spamming attacks without consequence or attention give to the three or four party members beating it to death.

Obviously the only exception to this is having too many condi-mancers in a single group because of that systems technical failure of epic proportions, but as they claimed to have a solution eleven months ago, that better be addressed soon…

GuildWarsPlayer.5608:

It’s not the price of the subscription for sub based games that turns some players off, it’s the idea of continuously charging a player to simply play a game that has already been purchased.

Sorry, but that sounds inane. An MMO isn’t some game that you play offline on your computer. It requires ongoing support in the form of server costs and (if it wants to survive) some level of fresh content. One way or another the player community as a whole WILL be continuously paying for a game it has “already paid for.” Whether that comes from a subscription fee or some coerced demand (notice I didn’t say forced) from a cash shop is irrelevant on a macro basis … the cost is still there that needs to be covered.

And to say that it’s the principle of the fee and not the amount is pretty incredible. However you look at it, less than 50 cents per day is trivial compared with other entertainment options such as cable/satellite TV, or a movie, or a concert, or your internet connection, or a ticket to a basketball game, or Netflix, etc.

There are many things I like about GW2 but several more that I greatly dislike (gear grind, broken and imbalanced WvW, poor communication between devs and players, WAY too much RNG, etc), and if the next MMO comes from devs who care enough and are smart enough to avoid those deficiencies then I will gladly pay a modest subscription fee to reward them for their ongoing efforts.

playandchill.3908:

Cant wait for next subbed mmo.

In the same boat, GW2 is well worth the buy, very much so. But just a puddle hopper for NCsoft new mmo for me.

Same here OP, that and the combat system that GW2 has. DCUO also had a good one and I can imagine Tera has a decent one as well. Would not be able to play a game like WoW anymore. I tried SWTOR again a little ago, but it’s just so boring..

“So you’d finish an expansion in a month and not have anything to do for the rest of the year? Probably not going to be any better for you.”

This doesn’t seem to hold true in most cases. It took me nearly a year to get bored and or complete most of the current content without living story stuff.

Of course this adds things in like wvw and spvp which with an expansion wouldn’t hold a ton of new value for me. But a real fully fleshed out expansion generally gives a player like me months of new content.

I am sorry but LS just doesn’t do it for me sadly. I want it to work but the story is moving at a snails pace and the content is really just grabbing AP. In game rewards are getting better but are still fairly minimal. There isn’t much to earn or progress your character.

For the record I am not looking forward to any of the new MMOs coming out. I’ve played the 2 big ones announced and both are fairly lacking (opinion), I am not interested in going back to wow ever. EQN will be released when? We don’t know yet and I still am not even close to sold on that game. This is the game I like and want to continue to play, I am just feeling a little stagnant as of late.