Guild Wars 2

MithranArkanere.8957:

Being a mentor should require knowing the content.

To show a mentor tag in a map, the account should have done anything that can be done in that map:

• 100% map completion.
• Revealed all areas.
• Completed all puzzles and mini-dungeons.
• Completed story and all paths of any dungeon entered from that area.
• Done all diving goggles.
• Defeated all world bosses and meta-events with a related acheivement in that area.

In a word? No.

I have been all over every map in central Tyria but never bother with 100% completion (because it involves all the vistas, some of which are mini jumping puzzles). I doubt many low-levels will be asking me about jumping puzzles and anything else that is hard to get to. Worse case you teach them how to use the wiki for when you are not around to answer questions.

I have had people thank me for being a mentor and giving them useful advice. I guess that was bad advice then because I did not adhere to your silly restrictions?

Guys! Guys!
Squad UI.
Mentor tag will be the poor man’s Commander tag, sure, but Commander tag will allow us to create decent squads when they release that.
So yeah, let them flood the map with mentor tags, why care? Commander tag is still the best thing for grouping and leading people.

I’d actually love it if within a squad the commander could change the look of the Mentor tags in his squad so that you could create “divisions” and sub-commanders using the mentor tags.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

There’s nothing new under the sun.

Option: Disable Commander Tags
Hide Commander Tags
Remove PvE Commander Tags
Too many Commander icons
(And too many more to list)

We survived the onset of brand new Commander tags. I think we’ll survive the Mentor tags. It’s new. It’s shiny. And people are showing off their new toy. Just like the Commander tags back then.

Lol I had this exact same thought when I logged in here this morning and saw this thread. Same issue before, just a different tag.

It’ll sort itself out in a few weeks.

MithranArkanere.8957:

Being a mentor should require knowing the content.

To show a mentor tag in a map, the account should have done anything that can be done in that map:

• 100% map completion.
• Revealed all areas.
• Completed all puzzles and mini-dungeons.
• Completed story and all paths of any dungeon entered from that area.
• Done all diving goggles.
• Defeated all world bosses and meta-events with a related acheivement in that area.

I disagree-being a mentor requires knowledge for the content for which you are offering mentorship. I most certainly won’t help someone with finding all diving goggles, but most certainly can help with general mapping, vistas, and most dynamic event chains, as well as hidden places here and there due to PvE map experience. I for one would not offer a mentorship tag to “help” someone with the very difficult JPs, as I generally avoid them myself-but for most things, I can do my best to assist.

You can be helpful without being “all-helpful”, unless you are trying to say that you are part of the “elite few” who can really be a mentor, which I doubt is ANet’s intent.

MithranArkanere.8957:

Being a mentor should require knowing the content.

To show a mentor tag in a map, the account should have done anything that can be done in that map:

• 100% map completion.
• Revealed all areas.
• Completed all puzzles and mini-dungeons.
• Completed story and all paths of any dungeon entered from that area.
• Done all diving goggles.
• Defeated all world bosses and meta-events with a related acheivement in that area.

No. Too much required and not really relevant. Most of that stuff won’t help you answer some newbie question. It would keep someone like me, who’s played consistently since the first beta, has more hours than I would care to admit to, is moderately well informed about the game yet hasn’t done each and every dungeon path or finished the story line completely, from showing a mentor tag and answering questions as a mentor.

just remove it completely from the game. There is no purpose behind it but to have something related to the Pact and to make people feel like they’ve earned something. Nobody needs a mentor. if someone has a question simply ask map chat, guild chat, friends, etc. if somebody wants to lead people and they really have the knowledge and experience to teach something then they can afford a commander tag.
If that’s too much for them to do then simply limit the tag to being only visible by party members.

Never understood the need for mentors to have a tag on the map. There are not many newbies areas that require the gathering power of a tag for them to function. Just the Mentor pre in the chatbox would be enough for the dedicated helpers to have a presence and have questions directed towards them.

If anything the iTag has already lost its novelty and is just used as a troll device now.

“Can we make mentor harder to get?”

Not until I have it, thank you and goodnight.

I’ve seen plenty of good uses of the Mentor tag in HoT maps.
I’ve helped players with getting places and they ask me to tag up, having not spent 300g on a commander tag, I find it /very/ useful to have the mentor tag now.

If i’m not leading people for something I turn the stupid thing off I don’t need it on my own screen in the way of things.

I’ve seen it used in the labyrinth. No commander tags showing so someone put up a mentor tag. The zerg collected around it and off we went.

Really, just because someone pulled out their wallet in real life or farmed 100 or 300 gold doesn’t mean anything about their ability to lead. In fact, you could argue that mentor tags show much more than the ability to plunk down gold since you can’t have a mentor tag without playing the game and getting at least one mastery point. You can however have a commander tag and have never left LA, just crafted to 80 and bought the tag.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

I’ve seen it used in the labyrinth. No commander tags showing so someone put up a mentor tag. The zerg collected around it and off we went.

I did this on Saturday. No tag, people scattered, doors being popped randomly. Tossed on the mentor tag so we could gather at/do Count, and then off we went. I begged someone, anyone, to tag up so I didn’t have to lead. I got told I was doing fine, keep moving. Which I obliged, until I hit event DR about 2 hours or so later, and then I went and did real life stuff. So some people obviously don’t mind.

pants.1379:

Soooo i was in the lab trying for my last 20 slot bag from farming ToT bags, no tag icon on the mini map.
People in the lobby before entering the actual map, so i popped my Mentor ‘apple’ on, everyone was happly following my lead for about an hour.

Then suddenly a blue tag appeared, people already following me in the map got confused as to who to follow, so turned off the ’apple’, and everyone carried on…..blue tag did a couple of circuits (10mins), then said i could carry on mentoring, how very nice of him/her.

Sry i dont really see myself using this again ever, as people will just get confused at the end of the day, but will carry on training in it, i mean autoloot – who wouldnt want that !!

It just struck me what this reminded me of.

There was a TV show about baboons showing them living in the wild and how they interacted with each other. One thing they showed was dominance displays. A subordinate baboon will be sitting somewhere. A dominant baboon will walk over and make him leave his spot. He will sit on that spot for about one second then walk off. He doesn’t actually want that spot. He just wants the other baboon to know who is boss.

I’m sure the resemblance was purely coincidental and you didn’t just get “babooned”.

I asked a mentor if we should make mentor harder to get.

The answer was no.

I asked a mentor to help me with my math homework, no response.

Then again with the Apple icons I feel like I am walking into a Apple store during events.

Mentor should be before auto loot, or even last

I just hope that whoever has the char name “William Tell” (I am assuming it is already taken) is displaying his Apple Tag. If not such a waste of a good name!

Pandaman.4758:

DaniTheHero.6318:

Pandaman.4758:

Didn’t this exact issue get raised when mentor tags were first announced?

Wasn’t the official response that there would be mechanisms to report people for abusing mentor tags?

Has anyone tried right-clicking the tag and seeing if there’s a report option?

Not a solution. Stop sugarcoating.

So, let’s see…

I point out this issue was raised even before the launch. Fact.

I point out that ANet said they’d prevent abuse. Fact.

I ask if anyone has tested to see if they can actually report abuse. Not claiming this is a solution, simply asking if anyone actually tried. I’m curious if ANet did include such a mechanism, I’m not going to blindly assume they didn’t because I didn’t have any apples to test it on at the time of posting, so I asked a question

Are you really that salty over the issue that you’d call anything that isn’t parroting your opinion “sugarcoating”?

What exactly is abuse of a mentor tag though? Surely just popping one up can’t be considered abuse.

So you want it to be a prestige reward for ultimate grinders? What has that to do with how qualified they are as mentors helping and advising people? You will Always will have trolls, but as time go ons, it will get lesser, and the people actually serious about mentoring will use it, thats my optimistic view on it.

DarcShriek.5829:

What exactly is abuse of a mentor tag though? Surely just popping one up can’t be considered abuse.

For a lot of people, “abuse” of a mentor tag merely means displaying it when someone else has their commander tag on. I’m hearing about commanders in maps sending whispers to any and all people with their mentor tags on, saying to tag down because they won’t tolerate anyone else on a map tagging up when they’re already tagged.

Celtic Lady.3729:

For a lot of people, “abuse” of a mentor tag merely means displaying it when someone else has their commander tag on. I’m hearing about commanders in maps sending whispers to any and all people with their mentor tags on, saying to tag down because they won’t tolerate anyone else on a map tagging up when they’re already tagged.

Thats completely stupid and makes me want to run around with the commander tag i bought yesterday on all the time just to spite them. Jesus people need to grow the hell up.

If you join a squad, you will only see the tag for the squad you are in. Not sure if this applies to the mentor tags as well.

There is no point in limiting or restricting the tags as there are likely a majority that already have them. While it was a good idea, the mentoring tag was very poorly thought through and implemented.

Its just a tag. No more or less useful than commander tags are, and I’ve seen plenty of commander tags being run for no notable reason.

I’m assuming anet made it really easy to get because it reduces the value of it.

If it were hard to get, you would eventually see everyone wearing it as a status symbol.

Just give it a few weeks and you’ll start to see them dissapear.

DarcShriek.5829:

Pandaman.4758:

DaniTheHero.6318:

Pandaman.4758:

Didn’t this exact issue get raised when mentor tags were first announced?

Wasn’t the official response that there would be mechanisms to report people for abusing mentor tags?

Has anyone tried right-clicking the tag and seeing if there’s a report option?

Not a solution. Stop sugarcoating.

So, let’s see…

I point out this issue was raised even before the launch. Fact.

I point out that ANet said they’d prevent abuse. Fact.

I ask if anyone has tested to see if they can actually report abuse. Not claiming this is a solution, simply asking if anyone actually tried. I’m curious if ANet did include such a mechanism, I’m not going to blindly assume they didn’t because I didn’t have any apples to test it on at the time of posting, so I asked a question

Are you really that salty over the issue that you’d call anything that isn’t parroting your opinion “sugarcoating”?

What exactly is abuse of a mentor tag though? Surely just popping one up can’t be considered abuse.

I imagine something like leading zergs off ledges in EotM or deliberately using the mentor tag to lend credence to trolling newbie questions would be considered griefing with the mentor tag. Maybe popping a mentor tag and refusing to do anything remotely mentor-like would fall under that as well, but would be harder to report due to the lack of anything in the logs for CS to actually review.

That aside, I’m not arguing about what is or is not abuse, it’s about what mechanisms ANet has to receive and review reports of abuse. It’s their job to determine what is abuse and punish accordingly, not ours.

They could at least put a warning before enabling the tag that would say smth like the following:

The mentor tag is offered mainly to experienced players in order to help others navigate through the world of Tyria. It is strongly advised that you enable it only if you concur that you have:

MithranArkanere.8957:

• 100% map completion.
• Revealed all areas.
• Completed all puzzles and mini-dungeons.
• Completed story and all paths of any dungeon entered from that area.
• Done all diving goggles.
• Defeated all world bosses and meta-events with a related achievement in that area.

Inoki.6048:

They could at least put a warning before enabling the tag that would say smth like the following:

The mentor tag is offered mainly to experienced players in order to help others navigate through the world of Tyria. It is strongly advised that you enable it only if you concur that you have:

MithranArkanere.8957:

• 100% map completion.
• Revealed all areas.
• Completed all puzzles and mini-dungeons.
• Completed story and all paths of any dungeon entered from that area.
• Done all diving goggles.
• Defeated all world bosses and meta-events with a related achievement in that area.

Guess I couldn’t be a mentor then in spite of playing since beta. Never finished the personal story.

I wonder why you also didn’t put in similar requirements for using a commander tag? All that requires from you right now is to whip out your wallet. Surely they should have to answer leadership questions first before tagging up.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Inoki.6048:

They could at least put a warning before enabling the tag that would say smth like the following:

The mentor tag is offered mainly to experienced players in order to help others navigate through the world of Tyria. It is strongly advised that you enable it only if you concur that you have:

MithranArkanere.8957:

• 100% map completion.
• Revealed all areas.
• Completed all puzzles and mini-dungeons.
• Completed story and all paths of any dungeon entered from that area.
• Done all diving goggles.
• Defeated all world bosses and meta-events with a related achievement in that area.

Guess I couldn’t be a mentor then in spite of playing since beta. Never finished the personal story.

I wonder why you also didn’t put in similar requirements for using a commander tag? All that requires from you right now is to whip out your wallet. Surely they should have to answer leadership questions first before tagging up.

Ok, let’s just put it, that only those who can cross-check at least 3 – 4 points from that list should even consider the mentor tag. Common sense.

You don’t have to take everything literally you know that.

And commander tag? Really…

I have mentor tag…finished the personal story, working in Maguma and have 80% world completion. Still working on it. I’ve been in game since beta. Does that make me not good enough to answer people’s questions.

But honestly, it’s a title only. Just like the commander tag, and I don’t use it.

Mithran’s list is, perhaps, a bit draconian. Yet there are some pretty clueless “mentors” out there “helping” people, and one could almost wish for the tag to be gated behind some test of game knowledge.

I saw a conversation in LA the other day where someone wanted to know where to get boost powder. Someone with a mentor tag directed the questioner to Divinity’s Reach (!!) to see the Black Lion Weaponsmith in the TP there. A real facepalm moment, since it is the Armorsmith that has the powder, not the Weaponsmith, and both of those NPCs are also found right there in the LA TP.

Inoki.6048:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Inoki.6048:

They could at least put a warning before enabling the tag that would say smth like the following:

The mentor tag is offered mainly to experienced players in order to help others navigate through the world of Tyria. It is strongly advised that you enable it only if you concur that you have:

MithranArkanere.8957:

• 100% map completion.
• Revealed all areas.
• Completed all puzzles and mini-dungeons.
• Completed story and all paths of any dungeon entered from that area.
• Done all diving goggles.
• Defeated all world bosses and meta-events with a related achievement in that area.

Guess I couldn’t be a mentor then in spite of playing since beta. Never finished the personal story.

I wonder why you also didn’t put in similar requirements for using a commander tag? All that requires from you right now is to whip out your wallet. Surely they should have to answer leadership questions first before tagging up.

Ok, let’s just put it, that only those who can cross-check at least 3 – 4 points from that list should even consider the mentor tag. Common sense.

You don’t have to take everything literally you know that.

Naw. I’ll just whip out my wallet. Buy a commander tag and gain everyone’s immediate unquestioning acceptance to my right to tag up.

Really, the way people are acting about this is strange, to say the least. No one questions the right for a person to wear a tag that you buy but they question a tag that you gain through gameplay.

A small whiff of hypocrisy is floating up from this thead.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Inoki.6048:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Inoki.6048:

They could at least put a warning before enabling the tag that would say smth like the following:

The mentor tag is offered mainly to experienced players in order to help others navigate through the world of Tyria. It is strongly advised that you enable it only if you concur that you have:

MithranArkanere.8957:

• 100% map completion.
• Revealed all areas.
• Completed all puzzles and mini-dungeons.
• Completed story and all paths of any dungeon entered from that area.
• Done all diving goggles.
• Defeated all world bosses and meta-events with a related achievement in that area.

Guess I couldn’t be a mentor then in spite of playing since beta. Never finished the personal story.

I wonder why you also didn’t put in similar requirements for using a commander tag? All that requires from you right now is to whip out your wallet. Surely they should have to answer leadership questions first before tagging up.

Ok, let’s just put it, that only those who can cross-check at least 3 – 4 points from that list should even consider the mentor tag. Common sense.

You don’t have to take everything literally you know that.

Naw. I’ll just whip out my wallet. Buy a commander tag and gain everyone’s immediate unquestioning acceptance to my right to tag up.

Really, the way people are acting about this is strange, to say the least. No one questions the right for a person to wear a tag that you buy but they question a tag that you gain through gameplay.

A small whiff of hypocrisy is floating up from this thead.

While you mention it, in this regard I agree and think the Mentor tag is better – I don’t see why anybody should spend so much gold for a tag that alone doesn’t guarantee the person wearing it is reliable.

It all comes down to responsibility, which is not the strongest trait of many.

The only silver lining I see is that right now, the Mentor tag is a new and shiny thing. People are displaying it mainly to join in the lols, and to feel empowered that they are undermining ArenaNet’s intentions. It won’t be long before the novelty of that gets stale, though, and I think abuse of the tag “just because” will fade.

Once the momentum starts to shift in that direction, we’ll have a different climate to address the issue. Those who use it incorrectly as a makeshift commander tag may be irritated that new players keep asking them for advice/assistance. And once they’re exposed as “fakes,” there will exist an opportunity to call them out on it. Of course, trolls will be trolls. And a few players blocking or threatening in vain to report abuse won’t mean much, but just the general negative social stigma around abusing the Mentor tag may be enough to cause an overall impact. Abuse will always exist, but we may see a day when most of the Mentors you see are legit.