Guild Wars 2

I can attest to the poor loot drop rate in the new zone at Southsun. We went down there this evening to get that last way point on Owain’s island. Of all the karka and reef drake kills I got mostly bones, but only 1 out of 5 kills dropped anything. The most often dropped item was crab meat. If you are a cook this is helpful, but I am not a cook so I vendored it.

There’s something i have noticed today. I don’t know if it’s just an accident or intentional. When i play on my lev 80’s, i see drops nerfed acros the board (including dragon chests – though people still do get rares, so that’s may be only me). When i log in to my lev 60 alt, the rarity and number of drops jumps up heavily. Anyone else could comment on that?

Astralporing.1957:

There’s something i have noticed today. I don’t know if it’s just an accident or intentional. When i play on my lev 80’s, i see drops nerfed acros the board (including dragon chests – though people still do get rares, so that’s may be only me). When i log in to my lev 60 alt, the rarity and number of drops jumps up heavily. Anyone else could comment on that?

Seen the same here.

Happens both in open world and non-fractal dungeons.

When my mesmer was 60 to 80, I’d receive rares and even got myself a few exotics (above my toon’s level mind you!), but the moment I hit 80 it became abysmal.

Also noting the dye drop rate patch was a break-point in which my loots started to really suck.

I played a dungeon today, got 0 yellows or gold from chests and hardly any loot from mobs. I also noticed in open world I am not getting drops from veterans or “bosses”.

Glad to see the topics were merged but not answered. That leaves out the part with “they’re on holiday, they didn’t see the post, they’ll answer when they do”. Talk about a slap in the face…

Are Black Lion Chests dropping as often as they were before for you guys? They aren’t for me. That makes it pretty obvious to me that it’s a bug. Anet wouldn’t nerf chests.

Piriel.5197:

Glad to see the topics were merged but not answered. That leaves out the part with “they’re on holiday, they didn’t see the post, they’ll answer when they do”. Talk about a slap in the face…

Forum moderator =/= developer.

Sabo.1485:

Are Black Lion Chests dropping as often as they were before for you guys? They aren’t for me. That makes it pretty obvious to me that it’s a bug. Anet wouldn’t nerf chests.

Piriel.5197:

Glad to see the topics were merged but not answered. That leaves out the part with “they’re on holiday, they didn’t see the post, they’ll answer when they do”. Talk about a slap in the face…

Forum moderator =/= developer.

Not opening BLC anymore since it’s a waste of money. Developers don’t answer on forums, they probably don’t even read them. I refuse to think that moderators and community managers are not aware of game changes.

Piriel.5197:

Sabo.1485:

Are Black Lion Chests dropping as often as they were before for you guys? They aren’t for me. That makes it pretty obvious to me that it’s a bug. Anet wouldn’t nerf chests.

Piriel.5197:

Glad to see the topics were merged but not answered. That leaves out the part with “they’re on holiday, they didn’t see the post, they’ll answer when they do”. Talk about a slap in the face…

Forum moderator =/= developer.

Not opening BLC anymore since it’s a waste of money. Developers don’t answer on forums, they probably don’t even read them. I refuse to think that moderators and community managers are not aware of game changes.

I’m sure they’re aware. I’m also sure they can’t do anything about it, since they’re not programmers. I’m not sure what you’re wanting the person minding the board to do about the situation this weekend while the actual programmers and decision-makers are away. And I think you missed my point about the chests. I don’t feel they’re worth opening either. But other people do, and they buy keys to open those chests. If the chests have stopped dropping as often along with everything else, it’s clearly a bug, because the chests are a revenue stream for Anet and thus wouldn’t be intentionally nerfed.

Sabo.1485:

Piriel.5197:

Sabo.1485:

Are Black Lion Chests dropping as often as they were before for you guys? They aren’t for me. That makes it pretty obvious to me that it’s a bug. Anet wouldn’t nerf chests.

Piriel.5197:

Glad to see the topics were merged but not answered. That leaves out the part with “they’re on holiday, they didn’t see the post, they’ll answer when they do”. Talk about a slap in the face…

Forum moderator =/= developer.

Not opening BLC anymore since it’s a waste of money. Developers don’t answer on forums, they probably don’t even read them. I refuse to think that moderators and community managers are not aware of game changes.

I’m sure they’re aware. I’m also sure they can’t do anything about it, since they’re not programmers. I’m not sure what you’re wanting the person minding the board to do about the situation this weekend while the actual programmers and decision-makers are away. And I think you missed my point about the chests. I don’t feel they’re worth opening either. But other people do, and they buy keys to open those chests. If the chests have stopped dropping as often along with everything else, it’s clearly a bug, because the chests are a revenue stream for Anet and thus wouldn’t be intentionally nerfed.

I want them to put this to reset with an official response. This thread is an open question to them so people actually know what the heck is going on. No one here asked for a fix, only for an answer.

Edit: Yes I misunderstood the BLC nerf you were talking about. Indeed it seems to be less.

This should have been hotfixed within a day or so off it happening (it’s a pretty major issue and was being talked about since the 2nd stage of lost shore – remember clearing that island and getting zero loot!), and yet it’s been a week now and we don’t even know if it’s being looked into (let alone being fixed).

In an MMO, having the loot system being so bad is one heck of a massive problem.

Havent seen a black lion chest since during the lost shores event now that I think of it. And the thing about timerbline falls drops being better.. well, there were good drops there, well, that lasted until daily reset..

Oh and also, remember before the lost shores event, people were posting rares and exotic drops in the map chat alot when they had opened a dragon chest? Well, now you’ll be lucky to see even one person doing so.. wonder why hrm?

I started a new Ele. she is lvl 10.

Even though she has had 10s from the account bank, she now has only 4c to her name after buying the cheapest armour upgrades.

This may be my 10th char (after few deletions) .. it was never like this…

Several people here, myself included, have noticed that MF doesn’t seem to be working as it used to.

I’m wondering whether this could be something to do with the increased MF % available on the Ascended gear? If they wanted to keep the maximum drop rate at the same level, but introduced a higher level of max MF % then they would have to reduce the base drop rate.

18 (!!!) porous bones in half an hour. Other stuff included some blues and two whites.

Sabo.1485:

Are Black Lion Chests dropping as often as they were before for you guys? They aren’t for me. That makes it pretty obvious to me that it’s a bug. Anet wouldn’t nerf chests.

I’ve had 2 since the event, one from completing the starting Norn area, found a skill point I had been needing, and the other one yesterday from a random kill…somewhere.
I agree, I can’t see Anet nerfing those chests on purpose.

I have said for couple of days that I thought the drops had been fixed, and still believe they have been. What i did was get a full set of the Karma armor from Orr, heavy if that means anything. Whispering Armor of Infiltration, each piece has a Superior Rune of Infiltration.

I ran for a couple of hours in Orr and Frostgorge just getting my dailies and gathering between events, logged out to watch the football game and then logged back in.
I ran the Penitent Path doing those events and farmed Frostgorge for what ever.

I picked up a lot of blues and greens, a few yellows and whites. I found a rare dye, Night Shade Dye, that was the second dye in two days, I sold the other without seeing what it was. I found 2 rares, one was a spear gun and the other was a soldiers something or other upgrade. I picked up 3 or 4 crystal from mining, a ruby Orb included.

This was less than with my MF gear, but it was a couple of golds worth of loot. I haven’t sold the Dye yet, I can’t figure out what color it actually is, but it is selling for over 50s in the offer price and over 60s in the asking.

So, it sure seems to me that the drops are back where they were.

I think if you’re solo farming or running around with a single group, MF will still produce the results you expect. But if you’re competing for drops with other players and/or other groups, like when you’re doing events with big waves of mobs that everyone is trying to kill, scoring maximum damage is the way to go.

Piriel.5197:

Glad to see the topics were merged but not answered. That leaves out the part with “they’re on holiday, they didn’t see the post, they’ll answer when they do”. Talk about a slap in the face…

This might just be my view on it but, can’t a forum mod work from home just by logging into their account.

But the guys who need to check the code and so on to see if this is actually bugged, they need to be in the office to do it? Which might explain the lack of official red response, no one has been in to check yet.

still no update about this issue, still hasn’t been fixed i have noticed

It’s all part of their plan to ensure that everyone is playing FotM, rather than doing world content, so that no will be around to notice all the DEs that are either still broken or have just had their DE designations turned off, (with the stuck actors still stuck in the same spots).

I’m being sarcastic, but it really feels that way. A big design goal that drew me to the game was the promise that different modes of play would be balanced as far as rewards over time, so that people who preferred world content could do world content and people that prefere3d dungeons could do dungeons, with the only advantage for dungeons being the exclusive armor skins that could be obtained.

That was the company line right through beta. What ever happened to that game? I’d like to play it someday…

Okay, now I’m completely convinced drop rates are bugged.. and, to be frank, this sucks.

Some Guildmates and I just spent 6 hours doing Fractals of the Mists and I left with only blues and below (with 5 greens total). This was how it was for two others, while one of our party members received 1 yellow Large Skull in addition to blues and greens and another received 3 yellow weapons in one of the many boss chests we opened.

I feel like this is completely broken. The coin that I receive from selling off the blues and greens barely even pays for the armour fix afterward. Ultimately, I feel like until this is fixed there’s no point in participating in the Fractals dungeons, which I generally really enjoy, until I walk away feeling like I wasted my time.

If this is not a bug, then I’m extremely confused by what the ArenaNet team is trying to do with such horrific drop rates.

I’ve been farming pentitent/shelter a lot and the loot has been screwed with. Prior to the Lost Shore event I was getting 1-3 golds an event, since I’m lucky to see 1 gold an hour.

To the people that are experiencing bad loot.

Have you tried farming whilst in a full party? Try this method to see if it helps with your loot (don’t wear MF whilst doing so).

Then after a sufficient break to reset the DR. Try farming in a group WITH as much MF as you can. Please report back after that and let me know how you went. Thanks!

Azelroth.6801:

To the people that are experiencing bad loot.

Have you tried farming whilst in a full party? Try this method to see if it helps with your loot (don’t wear MF whilst doing so).

Then after a sufficient break to reset the DR. Try farming in a group WITH as much MF as you can. Please report back after that and let me know how you went. Thanks!

that sounds positively stupid. You should not have to do tap-dances to get loot from mobs.

Hopefully next week when they’re back from vacation, we’ll see a hotfix for this that also removes DR.

have played the whole weekend with my 80 guardian (0% mf) and my elementalist (full exotic mf) and dit a grenth run with each. i havent noticed a single difference between them. I got a bit less loot with my guardian since he tags a lot less then my elementalist but in general the drops were as crappy.
As most people farming in ore atleast got me a couple of rares in an hour. The thing i did get this weekend was an exotic from the chest of grenth.

plasmacutter.2709:

that sounds positively stupid. You should not have to do tap-dances to get loot from mobs.

Hopefully next week when they’re back from vacation, we’ll see a hotfix for this that also removes DR.

As absurd as it may sound – those that used to farm Cursed Shore hardcore will know exactly what I mean. Try it first and tell me how it went for you.

Azelroth.6801:

To the people that are experiencing bad loot.

Have you tried farming whilst in a full party? Try this method to see if it helps with your loot (don’t wear MF whilst doing so).

Then after a sufficient break to reset the DR. Try farming in a group WITH as much MF as you can. Please report back after that and let me know how you went. Thanks!

I have I have tested literally every bojangled half bounced wibbly wobbly theorycraft on this subject and there can be no doubt. once you are 80 in MF gear or have a higher mf score of 20% the drops not only drop less often (hardly anything worth mentioning) but the fabled fix to the veterans champions even in lower level zones does NOT exist.

Because of this it’s been theorized they wish us to run 1 single dungeon for ANY and all crafting mats. It’s unacceptable in the least!

What puzzles me most is a discrepancy between “real” loot drop rate and junk drop rate. I never ever seen that much junk (like porous bones) dropping before. Either loot and junk are on different drop tables (say, if a player did not get anything in terms of “real” loot, he gets randomly rewarded with a junk item instead?) or i am completely at a loss here.

I do agree that something is.. Wonky with the loot tables. I’ve been farming for DAYS straight and got barely any rares! (But tons of t6 mats!)

I had 150%+ magic find. So if I got so many t6 mats, why barely rares?

I’m also scratching my head what exactly was changed about Vet and Champ loot, because it seems worse than ever…

I am more or less consistently getting blue loot from vets. Still to receive anything from any champ (i`ve done more than a dosen).

Also done AC story and all three AC paths with my friends and got zero rare/exo loot. Don`t know if it is out of ordinary though, I`ve never done any dungeon before (in terms of MF I have 5 pirate + traveller rune, exo opal jewejs and lotus fries).

Drop rates were awesome in betas
Drop rates were awesome at start
Got noticably lower after halloween event
Got noticably higher during lost shores event (aka free trial event), especially in FotM
Got nerfed to the ground after event

Really. Is it some kind of cheap marketing move? During event fotm was dropping from both mobs and chests exotics all the day, not to mention the amount of rares. Getting 2 of them per chest was normal.
Now, you don’t even get greens as often in chests.
And the whole champion/veteran/boss drop is a joke.
Cmon, completing dungeon in gw1 ALWAYS yielded rare and unique rewards together with rare crafting mats.

After figuring it just wasn’t worth my time (loot pays less than travel + repair bills) I opted out until it is fixed.

There is another thread about why GW is losing players at a massive rate, just need developers to read threads like this to find the problem. Loot being bugged in a loot based game for what seems an eternity isn’t very good really. It’s like wondering why people are leaving your golf club despite members pointing out that you forgot to put holes in the greeens.

Would love to see an official response to what is going on. Atm we are just left in the dark, i hope they will fix this as fast as possible.

I’ve killed countless vets yesterday and got loot exactly one time, and that was literally junk (teeth or something from a raptor in the snowy northeast of Gendarran Fields).

Well, my weekend of questing and exploring left me very little to be excited about. I really want to know if this is an intentional change or a bug. My favorite part of the game is open world encounters and exploring. And my favorite part of that is looting. Yes, I love seeing sparkles. Before this last patch, every kill was like a treasure hunt. Now, if there is any loot at all it’s more like cleaning out a hoarder’s house – junk and trash.

Ran 7 fractals last night, most with magic find booster, 2 yellows and the rest greens/blues. Our group got 1 exotic total, for 7 fractals and that didn’t even come from the Jade Maw chest. Something is definitely not working as intended, or maybe it is…

I can also state that drop rates from chests and from vets and champs seems to be wonky. Ran a bunch of dungeons and Fractals this week or so as well as doing a little bit of farming in Orr. Also ran a alt through Orr finishing up 2 zones there. Getting whites often, blues not so much, and greens not often either. No yellows dropped from anything.

Champs often dropped a white or a blue.

Unfortunately their drop rate system programming seems to be a bowl of spaghetti. They yank on one strand of programming and it affects far more than they expect.

This bug is making lvling charactors a little harder when using drops to upgrade weapons and armor. I played for 10 hours today with one of my lower levels and in that time was only able to upgrade 3 items from drops. Also lower drops means less to sell to merchant so less cash meaning my charactor is at lvl32 and is still unable to afford the lvl30 trait book despite only using cash for repairs. 3 other charactors I leveled to 80 before the bug had more than enough cash to buy the lvl30 and lvl60 trait books at lvl30.

Only good thing that happened to me in the last few days was that Abyssal Dye dropped from a level ~20 Moa

One thing I noticed after playing 1 week with full MF gear on after patch and 4 days taking it off since it was ineffective, MF is broken. I think in the coding when they changed the rate, it broke MF in the process.

I tried it last night, at the Asura lab near Sunless, there is an event where the Kraits are attacking the lab to steal energy cores. I love this event due to easy kills, and numberous enemies. With MF on, I got an average of 7 Porious Bone, 3 BLues and 2 Scales.

After removing my MF set, same event average was 15 porious bone, 6 blues, 5 greens and 8 scales and 1 yellow.

That is a big difference.

Another example is Claw of Jormag fight. Been using MF for it for a long time and usually had 30 inventory slots open for it, my bag has never filled up. Past few days I went in with out MF and always had to run to vendor near Earthshake WP during the beginning of 2nd Phase because my bag filled.

Sure, its not a large enough scale to judge but its easy to see something is off.

And Veterans went back to being the way they were, vanilla. Can’t even get white or trophy.

Since this thread got moved from bugs early in its life, I am concerned that the right people are not going to see it and therefore not have the bug addressed any time soon. I hope a mod sees this thread and does pass it on to the right people because it does not just effect those who “farm” but everyone from a new player trying to get through their story, or a player trying to lvl up alts, to the lvl80 player who is trying to farm the items for legendary, and all those inbetween.

There are 2 bugs here, but chances are they are related.

I think this bug may also effect WvW drops as well. I was playing WvW a couple of day ago for alot of hours and only got a few badges of honor from drops despite alot of kills. And yes I didn’t really get many drops either. But since I don’t play WvW very often I couldn’t do a proper comparison, but I did get more badges for doing last months WvW monthly than I did for this months + extra time in WvW.

Well after a good 8 hours of play they still seem poor /if not downright terrible.. A mix of several vets and champs in a row actually dropped nothing..

I cant even remember which server I’m on where does it show?

Well i hoped all the staff had a nice holiday weekend! Now is it possible to get an answer on whether this bug is in for a fix at this point? Someone needs to address this before it continues to negatively impact the game.

From what the patch notes stated and what is experienced in game, there definitely seems to be a problem. The drops are worse than before the patch, which doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.

Asked about this in the AMA today, doesn’t look like we’ll get an answer. We really need someone from ANet to either say yes this is a bug and move this thread back to the bugs forum, or for ANet to say yes we did nerf drop rates.

It is hurting players, especially new charactors who dont make enough cash with this bug while leveling to buy the lvl30 & lvl60 trait books at their unlock level where as before “bug” you could buy all the trait books before you needed them.

Later on this hurts lvl80 characters working on getting exotic armor because they have to grind for atleast a week to get enough ectos salvaged from the now very rare yellow drops, or enough cash from selling what little drops they get to buy the ectos whereas before it took only a couple of days.

•The drop rarity of Rare and Exotic weapons from certain places in the world (champions, veterans, and players in WvW) has been increased. Rares and Exotics should be much more likely to drop and every champion should be guaranteed to drop loot. This was to ensure that world loot drops were not a significantly worse way of acquiring rare and exotic items than crafting and running dungeons.

Unfortunately the exact opposite happened, champions and vets rarely drop loot, and loot drops are now significantly worse for acquiring rare and exotic items than crafting and dungeons, although personally I haven’t gotten a rare or exotic from a chest since the Ancient Karka event despite doing a couple of dungeons and a bunch of fractals.

Just want to add since it may be related, that magic find appears to makes loot drop rates and quality even worse

Wildcode,

Thanks for asking about this on the AMA. I was just scanning through the huge messy thread trying to see if it had been asked. I guess it may just be me but the format on Reddit just makes it so hard to decipher what has been said to whom.

I hope we can get an answer for this soon.

I wonder if people with magic Find gear is affecting loot drops on the server, for some strange reason. There are some people that like stats more, (like I do) over selfish loot drops. If MF is affecting loot drops on whatever server you are on based on the number of people with 100% + MF bonus. Then ALL gear should have MF by default. Or MF needs to get removed.

drifter, the problem with that is that some people (including myself) are experiencing that with MF your drop rate and drop quality is worse, than without MF.

If the patch tomrrow doesnt fix this, ill start a new thread in the bug forum. Just did grenth event and got nothing once again and i before i did grenth i was on another character in a different zone so it couldnt be DR.

there’s a patch tomorrow?

I don’t understand why nobody from Anet has responded to this. Not everyone is participating in the AMA and to make matters worse this question didn’t even make the list which i cannot fathom.
Please can we get an answer on this, it is obviously completely contrary to the patch notes as many have pointed out, so disappointed right now.