Guild Wars 2

Seems the toxicity that existed during blix has now surfaced during the coil event. When one group wants to complete the event and another wants it to fail, it seems inevitable such toxicity is bound to happen. Just as blix, it is detrimental for all parties involved. Here are a few albums of screenshots.

09/23/2014 –
http://imgur.com/a/X5o2v
http://imgur.com/a/4UWiz
http://imgur.com/a/HVVgt
http://imgur.com/a/doD2n
http://imgur.com/a/0iaLj
http://imgur.com/a/KZ2Pv

09/24/2014 –
http://imgur.com/a/JhIdm

09/25/2014 –
http://imgur.com/a/hvpaW
http://imgur.com/a/WnGw2
http://imgur.com/a/n9xI9
http://imgur.com/a/z6y9m

09/26/2014 –
http://imgur.com/a/ObKeL
http://imgur.com/a/Jw79b
http://imgur.com/a/8gm5l
http://imgur.com/a/K1OUR

09/27/2014 –
http://imgur.com/a/oWemS
http://imgur.com/a/7LsUj
http://imgur.com/a/vSpAz
http://imgur.com/a/ZY2BH
http://imgur.com/a/CXkAw
http://imgur.com/a/5uuRl
http://imgur.com/a/ivY1l

Because one side wants to complete the story and the other wants to exploit the system for a lot of champion bags in hope to get a precursor?

Is the word “toxicity” gonna be the new “troll”? I’m already sick of it.

I admit to being dense on occasion, but I’m having difficulty finding this toxicity you’re talking about. A few complaints, sure, but I was expecting wall-to-wall battles between the two sides and what I’m mainly reading about is things like conversations about USB mice and the usual trash-talking between players. So ???

Well, Blix is different in a way because it is not tied into the Living Story.

joe.7684:

I admit to being dense on occasion, but I’m having difficulty finding this toxicity you’re talking about. A few complaints, sure, but I was expecting wall-to-wall battles between the two sides and what I’m mainly reading about is things like conversations about USB mice and the usual trash-talking between players. So ???

But the OP just gave you a load of screenshots. Try looking at the screenshots? There’s lots of toxicity there.

I also experienced some horrible messages for wanting to complete the Coiled Watch event. Threats, abuse etc.

One guy told me I should have been shot at birth. For what… for completing an event? What the hell, Guild Wars 2?! We’re better than this… come on.

Stop whining and let people farm for crying out loud. The rewards in this game are already nerfed to the ground. Is it so bad to let people farm the two spots in the game that are farmable? The two people who actually want to complete the event could just as easily move to another server instance rather than troll the farmers.

Also, what Joe said ^^. Where is the toxicity in this case other than a couple people yelling to stop attacking?

warduke.1780:

joe.7684:

I admit to being dense on occasion, but I’m having difficulty finding this toxicity you’re talking about. A few complaints, sure, but I was expecting wall-to-wall battles between the two sides and what I’m mainly reading about is things like conversations about USB mice and the usual trash-talking between players. So ???

But the OP just gave you a load of screenshots. Try looking at the screenshots? There’s lots of toxicity there.

I also experienced some horrible messages for wanting to complete the Coiled Watch event. Threats, abuse etc.

One guy told me I should have been shot at birth. For what… for completing an event? What the hell, Guild Wars 2?! We’re better than this… come on.

Lol wat, loads of screenies? The last one has 0 “toxicity”. It has one player trying to be funny by quoting The Lord of the Rings.

Lunar Sunset.8742:

warduke.1780:

joe.7684:

I admit to being dense on occasion, but I’m having difficulty finding this toxicity you’re talking about. A few complaints, sure, but I was expecting wall-to-wall battles between the two sides and what I’m mainly reading about is things like conversations about USB mice and the usual trash-talking between players. So ???

But the OP just gave you a load of screenshots. Try looking at the screenshots? There’s lots of toxicity there.

I also experienced some horrible messages for wanting to complete the Coiled Watch event. Threats, abuse etc.

One guy told me I should have been shot at birth. For what… for completing an event? What the hell, Guild Wars 2?! We’re better than this… come on.

Lol wat, loads of screenies? The last one has 0 “toxicity”. It has one player trying to be funny by quoting The Lord of the Rings.

Is it “funny” to threaten to kill someone in real life because they complete an event?

cranked.3812:

Stop whining and let people farm for crying out loud. The rewards in this game are already nerfed to the ground. Is it so bad to let people farm the two spots in the game that are farmable? The two people who actually want to complete the event could just as easily move to another server instance rather than troll the farmers.

Also, what Joe said ^^. Where is the toxicity in this case other than a couple people yelling to stop attacking?

Well, you can’t complete the living story episode unless you complete the event. It’s not that people are out to stop farming. I’m sure they could care less about what you do with your own time. Plus you can’t really control the server you end up on. You used to be able to guest to a lower population server but now you will be automatically placed in a high population zone that isn’t full. Running into a farming group is almost inevitable.

Right click name. Click report. Select verbal Abuse. Select send report.

Watch the forums for the rage when suspended/banned especially the " I didnt do anything" ones.

farmer toxicity is nothing new, its unfortunately occurs anywhere many ppl abuse a farm, orr, frostgorge. Last time I was in cursed shore, someone called out an event, they said no dont go there, train is at this event, I asked where that first event was that was called out because I didnt know where it was, I had no intention of interfering with their precious farm, but they got so defensive and paranoid, those jerks went on and on with their toxic laced reactions. Greed rots their minds. I also node farm in frostgorge, and I see this every single day with the champ farmers and the coil farmers, its really disgusting to see people act like this over virtual crap.

cranked.3812:

The two people who actually want to complete the event could just as easily move to another server instance rather than troll the farmers.

For starters, you can’t. And it’s unreasonable to demand people continually try guesting on server after server hoping the megaserver system puts them into an instance where farmers aren’t going to heap verbal abuse on you. Besides which, I don’t think there IS a server instance where this isn’t happening.

What’s more likely to happen is that Anet is going to pull champions from the first two Coil events entirely so farmers will stop trying to block people from completing their living story. That’s where bad behavior gets you.

they should nerf this garbage and the other farms as well, all these farmers complaining about this nerf and that nerf, gold is not hard to make, they just lazy and want to spam 1 in a giant zerg for lots of bags, this is an absolute joke that anet needs to address, I dont care if they keep to themselves and dont interfere with anything, but when it creates that toxic enivronment and they start acting like they own the map, and think they can tell other players where to go or what to do, its just utterly ridiculous. Dont kill that, or dont do that event, ah$^$&%$$ trolls……

Lunar Sunset.8742:

Is the word “toxicity” gonna be the new “troll”? I’m already sick of it.

No, I think the sentiment of “kitten you, just let the event fail” is quite genuine.

It’s interesting to note that you can turn off map and normal chat. That way you won’t have to see what these people are saying to you. That’s what I did and it works wonders.

zeromius.1604:

It’s interesting to note that you can turn off map and normal chat. That way you won’t have to see what these people are saying to you. That’s what I did and it works wonders.

that doesnt help people who want to complete the event for their living story and have to be subjected to insults for wanting to succeed, or the people who are just running through the map and come upon a champ/event and have to be called troll and other horrible things said to them for doing an event. Rewarding failure…just aint right…the toxicity is there whether you want to look at it or not.

X T D.6458:

zeromius.1604:

It’s interesting to note that you can turn off map and normal chat. That way you won’t have to see what these people are saying to you. That’s what I did and it works wonders.

that doesnt help people who want to complete the event for their living story and have to be subjected to insults for wanting to succeed, or the people who are just running through the map and come upon a champ/event and have to be called troll and other horrible things said to them for doing an event. Rewarding failure…just aint right…the toxicity is there whether you want to look at it or not.

Failure is always rewarded. The farmers were too big to fail so Queen Jennah gave them a bailout.

Joking aside, I was concerned that this event would eventually become a toxic environment for players trying to complete their living story mission.

Oversight or poor judgement on Anet’s part? No idea, but hopefully they do something about it before things really get out of hand.

To be honest I think it would be best for Anet to nerf all of these popular farm locations where players intentionally fail the event in order to farm it. Anet has said before that players have as much right to fail the event as players who want to complete it, although failing the event to farm it isn’t playing the game the way it was designed. I predict they will nerf this Coilded Watch event farm soon and the farmers will move on to another location as always.

Well this is what you get when endgame is champ farm instead of donjons.

I do think they should be more careful about tying in these farming events to living story, at least ones that can block progress, if you want to farm, go nuts, just be civil about it.

I’m fairly sure ArenaNet are onto this already – unfortunately it’ll take some time to sort out. It’s unfair on players trying to do their Living Story, especially for those who might have paid gems for unlocking that part of the story.

The other day, people were stacked outside of Coil Watch, while the defense event was ongoing. It was down to the final enemy. Some people went to kill it and there was utter rage on the all chat to not kill it, and when it did, people were acting like someone just shot their mother – throwing constant insults to the person/people who had completed the event, and to myself who asked them to calm down. Despite there being more chances to farm champ bags with dolyaks and the shamans. And half the group didn’t even continue the event chain because the event succeeded.

So yeah, the toxicity in this event has reached a new high, despite the ‘changes’ made.

Lunar Sunset.8742:

Is the word “toxicity” gonna be the new “troll”? I’m already sick of it.

Trolling is someone being a jerk for their own – or their friends – amusement.

Toxicity is the act of a hateful and harmful personality in the community, not for the sake of self-enjoyment, but because they’re not getting what they’re wanting, usually their “want” includes playing the game in a manner that is not the norm and hinders or is hindered by playing the game in the normal (and intended) manner.

Basically:
Trolls = jerks having fun by insulting or angering others
Toxicity = insults thrown by people who mean them

One is done in jest, the other is not.

Anet does nothing. I have asked them, they responded with we can’t do anything, try guesting on a low-pop server.

Did Greefa and The Griefer finish their LS after they succeed the event in OP’s Screenshot?

Have you tried whispering them? I’m sure they would respond on their living story status and whether they need your help to finish it.

There really isn’t much toxicity that I can see in those screenshots. Sure, a few people are rude, but that’s about it. There are rude people all over the game. I farmed this event a few times myself, and everyone was really friendly. When someone needed to succeed, sure, there were a few complaints, but we still succeeded. The majority of the people farming the event will help those who need to succeed.

Bwahaha, I was curious and took a peek at the screens, unsurprisingly it’s all ‘omg stack!!1111’ ‘lol why u trol ok every1 reprot!!!!111’ and ‘omg u moron cmdr stack!!!11111 kitten go to othre map!!1’.

While I don’t have anything against farmers in the slightest, it should really be common decency to give precedence to people trying to actually complete events as intended. The edgy face-on-keyboard internet talk on those screenshots is abysmal really. Especially since I find the GW2 map chat usually rather pleasant in comparison to many online rpg’s. I wonder if such people ever learn that by being a bit nicer, they would likely accomplish what they want more easily. I mean, if I was doing something solo and someone asked me in a normal way if I could please move maps so his group can farm, I wouldn’t mind doing that at all. But if someone would go all text Rambo on me, I’d just tab out the chat and happily remain doing what I was doing (and of course check the juicy drama afterwards for great amusement :P).

Resubian.5823:

There really isn’t much toxicity that I can see in those screenshots. Sure, a few people are rude, but that’s about it. There are rude people all over the game. I farmed this event a few times myself, and everyone was really friendly. When someone needed to succeed, sure, there were a few complaints, but we still succeeded. The majority of the people farming the event will help those who need to succeed.

Oh really? Did you see this?

http://i.imgur.com/goDUOyH.jpg

…in which a player tells those around to “spam reports get bans” and says “with our numbers, it’ll be bound to work”.

Or this one:

http://i.imgur.com/96GCvIm.jpg

I can’t type it out here but the insult is pretty nasty. I just don’t get why people would act like this over an event. What’s the point? Why get so incredibly angry?

If it’s just one or two people, report and block them. There will be those kinds of players anywhere you go ingame. Instead of making the majority suffer for the few rude players, just report the players who are being rude. I reported a player who was being extremely rude in EotM not long ago, and also sent a support ticket about the player, and they took care of it.

Resubian.5823:

If it’s just one or two people, report and block them. There will be those kinds of players anywhere you go ingame. Instead of making the majority suffer for the few rude players, just report the players who are being rude. I reported a player who was being extremely rude in EotM not long ago, and also sent a support ticket about the player, and they took care of it.

What if it’s someone telling people to mass-report others though? Or harass others? Sounds stupid but there’s one example in the screenshots and another here:

http://i.imgur.com/jxHacdd.png

This is getting out of hand. I wish the game was like it used to be, before champ bags got added.

This. can’t finish living world content because of this people. they should never spawn champ that drop loots on this kind of events. it’s stupid and people love to exploit.

Ive noticed a number of trolls going to the event claiming they need to complete it. Two days back someone claimed they needed it so we went through and completed the event for them. The following afternoon I return and the same guy is saying he needs to complete the event. Ive completed the event maybe a dozen times now. Not sure how people are having problems getting it done.

Someone made the excellent suggestion of adjusting the rewards so they are awarded when the event succeeds. So, sure, go ahead and tag all those Champs that spawn. But you won’t get any of their sweet, sweet bags unless you actually succeed at the event.

cranked.3812:

The two people who actually want to complete the event could just as easily move to another server instance rather than troll the farmers.

So how do you do that? There’s no drop down as in GW that allows one to choose another shard. If you’re going to present a workaround, present the whole workaround.

@Ian: No, it is not. While you can indeed interact with the totem, it won’t actually trigger the instance unless you have actually completed the prior event in the area. (Which does kind of make sense, because story-wise, how would you impress Knut/Eir if all you did was walk up a totem in an empty Svanir stronghold and just punch it?)

However, I think that this experimental section of the LS shows that it’s better for ANet to keep the LS content within instances. It was a nice idea to try and weave existing open world content into the LS, but it’s causing more problems than it solves.

If you genuinely need to get it done – go there while Jormag is on timer.

Seth.1308:

If you genuinely need to get it done – go there while Jormag is on timer.

Fortunately it’s possible to complete the event without the aid of the farmers. So we can do it whenever we want.

Or Anet could just shift the rewards over to completion/failure of the event rather than the champions.

Azrael.4960:

Or Anet could just shift the rewards over to completion/failure of the event rather than the champions.

This is likely the only sure fire way to diminish this kind of needless toxicity, but in doing so it surely sets a precedent in game and other events would likely require patching as well.

Sure the event mechanics are flawed.. and there are others with the same flaw, but a simple statement to warn players from pursuing this kind of gameplay would of likely put a lot of it to bed months ago. However ANET have proven to be both slow and weak in remedying the issues where other MMO’s would of taken a lot quicker, more assertive actions so the issues keep manifesting across the game and allowed to run uncontrollably without recourse..
BLIX was a complete loot frenzy that went stupidly out of control with ridiculous amounts of loot being farmed and when that got muted the same players began asserting their self imposed controls at coil sending it viral to pack in as many to scale the event in effort to secure more champs but protect the failtrain from any intervention by players seeking to complete.. .. if/when ANET finally repatch the event those same players will simply move on again to other places and they probably have those places already mapped out in prep.

Failure apparently has no consequence in what is supposed to be Openworld, in fact ANET seem to prefer the positives to placed at the feet of failure, so rather as another idea maybe they could place the same principle to events like 3HW or TEQ.. heck any world boss, temple, etc.. then nothing need be completed and we can all loot endlessly all day long, safe in the knowledge that the aim of the game is to fail for the win!

My friend got kicked from guild for crashing to loot train for doing living story.He was unlucky that officer was on the train and forget to look at map chat /whisper.

speaking from over 100 hours of experience at coiled, the toxicity is MUCH harsher from the side of the people wanting to succeed the event. the majority of the people will ask nicely for people to stop attacking, and that they will help find a new instance and complete the chain for the story( very few accept the help, those that don’t proceed to call the farmers worthless, exploiters, scum, etc…). of the ~50 people in each farm group there are maybe 2 or 3 who are toxic, and they are usually non english players who can only utter one or two insults. this means that roughly 5% of the farmers are toxic. those that come for LS however, may be far fewer, but what they lack in numbers they make up for in rage. of the ~150 players i have seen come for LS, I have offered help to ALL. 12 have taken my help when i offered them a new server and help completing, 5 said something along the lines of “no thats cool ill do it later, ill just farm” the remaining 130 have refused my help, insulted us, called us trash among other things, and were just generally toxic selfish children. 50 people are there to farm, one is there for LS. you are offered help, but because you are selfish you deny it and try to ruin the fun of 50 other people? this “oh farmers are all toxic and mean” crap is just that. a load of crap.

Here we go again with the “farmers hurt my feelings” threads. Sad to say GW2 is built around the premise that one must farm to acquire anything cool or rare in the game…so until they come up with more creative ways in MMOs to gain something cool, farmers will continue to come up with ways in which to acquire the needed items in as little time possible.

I mean, there are people who have been playing GW2 everyday since early launch and never had a precursor drop….so desperate times call for desperate measures.

Maybe anet needs to have a zone with nothing but level 80 mobs on flat terrain that are not linked to a story for people to to farm 24/7, but then the new complaint would be “no one is in any zone doing world events cause they are in zone X farming”

weston.3457:

speaking from over 100 hours of experience at coiled, the toxicity is MUCH harsher from the side of the people wanting to succeed the event. the majority of the people will ask nicely for people to stop attacking, and that they will help find a new instance and complete the chain for the story( very few accept the help, those that don’t proceed to call the farmers worthless, exploiters, scum, etc…). of the ~50 people in each farm group there are maybe 2 or 3 who are toxic, and they are usually non english players who can only utter one or two insults. this means that roughly 5% of the farmers are toxic. those that come for LS however, may be far fewer, but what they lack in numbers they make up for in rage. of the ~150 players i have seen come for LS, I have offered help to ALL. 12 have taken my help when i offered them a new server and help completing, 5 said something along the lines of “no thats cool ill do it later, ill just farm” the remaining 130 have refused my help, insulted us, called us trash among other things, and were just generally toxic selfish children. 50 people are there to farm, one is there for LS. you are offered help, but because you are selfish you deny it and try to ruin the fun of 50 other people? this “oh farmers are all toxic and mean” crap is just that. a load of crap.

Hahaha.. oh yeah.. "Please kind sirs, please don’t keep attacking we want to fail it to exploit the reset for loot farming, come lets go find you a nicer instance instead. “hugs”.. I have seen that behaviour happen sooo often, right, RIGHT!

Toxicity exists because of differing ideals on the event, of course those wanting to complete the event get uppity as well.. it takes two to tango, but if the event was run as it should then there would be no contention of “OWNERSHIP” of the map instance would there.. Toxicity naturally exists on both side, but the cause is most definitely at the feet of those intentionally failing events and stopping progress, otherwise why would there be attitude from the other side of the fence??

Vanive.3804:

Here we go again with the “farmers hurt my feelings” threads. Sad to say GW2 is built around the premise that one must farm to acquire anything cool or rare in the game…so until they come up with more creative ways in MMOs to gain something cool, farmers will continue to come up with ways in which to acquire the needed items in as little time possible.

I mean, there are people who have been playing GW2 everyday since early launch and never had a precursor drop….so desperate times call for desperate measures.

Maybe anet needs to have a zone with nothing but level 80 mobs on flat terrain that are not linked to a story for people to to farm 24/7, but then the new complaint would be “no one is in any zone doing world events cause they are in zone X farming”

No ANET just need to weed out the players that continually look to set up these failtrain exploits.. otherwise all they will do is keep patching events to the point no one gets loot for anything anymore.

CS and Frosty already have large enough champ rotations and larger events/world bosses to hit throughout the day.. added to that there is a world event boss timer rotation.. there is simply no need to keep defending these failtrain exploits cos of lack of loot.. its purely greed and laziness to go work for the loot legitimately..
Quit with “loot is too hard” in GW2.. .. its one of the easiest games in which to make coin, you just don’t want to put the effort in to do it.

Bloodstealer.5978:

Hahaha.. oh yeah.. "Please kind sirs, please don’t keep attacking we want to fail it to exploit the reset for loot farming, come lets go find you a nicer instance instead. “hugs”.. I have seen that behaviour happen sooo often, right, RIGHT!

Toxicity exists because of differing ideals on the event, of course those wanting to complete the event get uppity as well.. it takes two to tango, but if the event was run as it should then there would be no contention of “OWNERSHIP” of the map instance would there.. Toxicity naturally exists on both side, but the cause is most definitely at the feet of those intentionally failing events and stopping progress, otherwise why would there be attitude from the other side of the fence??

you may be correct that noone owns the map and the way we play the event may not be for everybody, but when help is offered and someone refuses to accept it and then proceeds to block the progress of 50 other players because THEY refused to be polite and help others out when others offered to help them it is absurd. obviously the “progress” of that one person there for living story, but for 50 other people there the “progress” is to get gold or items. are you claiming that one person is more correct than 50 simply because his idea of progress aligns with yours?

Bloodstealer.5978:

No ANET just need to weed out the players that continually look to set up these failtrain exploits.. otherwise all they will do is keep patching events to the point no one gets loot for anything anymore.

CS and Frosty already have large enough champ rotations and larger events/world bosses to hit throughout the day.. added to that there is a world event boss timer rotation.. there is simply no need to keep defending these failtrain exploits cos of lack of loot.. its purely greed and laziness to go work for the loot legitimately..
Quit with “loot is too hard” in GW2.. .. its one of the easiest games in which to make coin, you just don’t want to put the effort in to do it.

i have played for 900 hours and am halfway to my first legendary. I was 1/10th of the way before my 150 or so hour at coiled. please, if there are better ways to make coin let me know. until then I will continue to farm the quickest way I can find because I am a farmer, I like to farm, and thats what i do.

It should never be more profitable to fail an event than complete it, period.

Hyper Cutter.9376:

It should never be more profitable to fail an event than complete it, period.

I agree, but that isnt the case and I need muh farm. if someone asks nicely for living story me and my guild find them an instance and help him complete. period. we realize that other people want different things out of the game and we’re not trying to hinder them. but for all the time we spend trying to help those that need LS it is infuriating for me to have to read these posts about how all farmers are toxic and exploiters. I’ve spent more time helping people finish for LS this week than ive spent actually farming it. courtesy begets courtesy and from a majority of the posts i read on this subject i can tell that no courtesy was given on their end, so why should they expect courtesy in return?

Gedekran (or should I say "Guild Spy") -- if I recall correctly, you were one of the individuals instigating the toxicity at Blix, so now that Blix is nerfed, you continue to harass farming players at Coil? Do you ever get tired of antagonzing players? Seriously, whatever happened to your concern to "finish" Blix? Are you content with Blix now? I suppose not, since you have moved on to instigating players at Coil (as per this thread).

Thanks for the effort of taking biased screenshots.

weston.3457:

speaking from over 100 hours of experience at coiled, the toxicity is MUCH harsher from the side of the people wanting to succeed the event. the majority of the people will ask nicely for people to stop attacking, and that they will help find a new instance and complete the chain for the story( very few accept the help, those that don’t proceed to call the farmers worthless, exploiters, scum, etc…). of the ~50 people in each farm group there are maybe 2 or 3 who are toxic, and they are usually non english players who can only utter one or two insults. this means that roughly 5% of the farmers are toxic. those that come for LS however, may be far fewer, but what they lack in numbers they make up for in rage. of the ~150 players i have seen come for LS, I have offered help to ALL. 12 have taken my help when i offered them a new server and help completing, 5 said something along the lines of “no thats cool ill do it later, ill just farm” the remaining 130 have refused my help, insulted us, called us trash among other things, and were just generally toxic selfish children. 50 people are there to farm, one is there for LS. you are offered help, but because you are selfish you deny it and try to ruin the fun of 50 other people? this “oh farmers are all toxic and mean” crap is just that. a load of crap.

Selfishness goes both ways dude. It is also selfish to try and bar people from content because you want phat loot. If someone wants to make an event succeed, it isn’t your right nor privilege to flame them.

And you know, there is always dungeons which give you over a gold per path. Much better than farming for an item that really only drops for certain accounts.