Guild Wars 2

I went to cursed shore today to try out some of the scaling events. One of the events spawns a lot of elemental champs. Soon I was being blasted in map chat and folks were saying to block me, some suggesting that I should be banned for botting.

I left without completing the event – but was rather disappointed in the experience and concerned my account would be flagged.

Is it ok to complete the events in cursed shore? With the amount of folks in the event farming, I am rather concerned about the economy going belly up. The immersion in the game also seems to break, adding to the unfun factor. Other events in the zone are ignored too with everyone focusing on the farm. I sincerely hope ANet nerfs farming of events such as this, such as encouraging people to complete the event.

So my question is, am I ok completing these events without ANet punishment?

Chorel.1720:

It`s not bannable to complete events. It`s just people being idiots with the new champion loot. The community went from nice to being total kittens. I saw someone call someone else a kittenbag for killing the Champion Spider in Queensdale just before. Map chat went from being helpful to just one giant zerg calling champions out.

One of the best things and one of the worst things Anet has done in a while.

They chose to cater to the wrong MMO crowd, in my opinion. The “MOAR!!!” MMOers are the wrong kind of players to build a community – or a game – around.

darkace.8925:

Chorel.1720:

It`s not bannable to complete events. It`s just people being idiots with the new champion loot. The community went from nice to being total kittens. I saw someone call someone else a kittenbag for killing the Champion Spider in Queensdale just before. Map chat went from being helpful to just one giant zerg calling champions out.

One of the best things and one of the worst things Anet has done in a while.

They chose to cater to the wrong MMO crowd, in my opinion. The “MOAR!!!” MMOers are the wrong kind of players to build a community – or a game – around.

This isn’t really a matter of catering to anyone. The change has made it so failure is more rewarding than success for some events. That should never be the case. Imagine if they dungeon reward change was “get one extra gold but only if your team wipes at the boss”. That wouldn’t make any sense but that is what happened with some events. Fixing this would require completely redesigning some event chains. Some chains already had this issue before the change.

Does everything need a reward? Maybe, maybe not. Rewards encompass many things. The easiest reward are for tangible things like gold. Access to specific vendors would also be considered a reward but only for some people. Making a difference in the world would also be another reward but we’ve only seen extremely shallow versions of that.

Looks to me like they just took the easier way out rather than trying to cater to a specific group. Implementing the other types of rewards is harder than creating loot tables.

I feel like these changes that Anet is making, while nice in theory, are just making the PVE crowd more toxic towards one another. It’s rediculous that people would honestly report you for legitamately playing the game, but in some weird way I can’t blame them 100% for not wanting others to complete the event chains since simply killing the champions that spawn are FAR more rewarding.

“Is it ok to complete the events in cursed shore? With the amount of folks in the event farming, I am rather concerned about the economy going belly up. The immersion in the game also seems to break, adding to the unfun factor. Other events in the zone are ignored too with everyone focusing on the farm”

Cursed Shore should be a zone with some players coming back to repeatedly complete events for balanced end game rewards. Is all repeatable end game content a farm? I hope it isn’t seen that way. It does seems like the developers are still struggling to make the events themselves rewarding without players chasing gold and loot drops.

Don’t worry about it OP. They’re more likely to get banned for harassing you. Just report them and be done with it.

Let them report you A net can tell if your a bot or not and false reports are against the TOS in the end the hurt themselves not you.

If the whine about you completing events tell them to QQ more and keep ruining thre day by playing the game right.

Not all servers are like that. If someone gets belligerent in map because you are “breaking the zerg chain”, report them for verbal harassment and keep playing the game your way.
If you have friends, and the people in the zerg are real jerks, get your friends together and break the chain deliberately. The Archmage near Caer Shadowfane (to the east) is relatively easy, as is the giant north of Meddler’s Waypoint.
It’s not against the rules to get a group and take down champions yourself. If that happens to break the zerg chain, oh well.

Just please be conscientious of the groups that treat other players with respect. The zerg I run with has broken their own chain in order to help others get skill points, complete event chains and so on. They are not all bad.

Some players are going to farm. At one time, they were content to farm events in CS by completing them. ANet did not find that to be acceptable, so the time between events was lengthened. Now, players don’t want the events to complete, because there is too much time before the next one.

I did a lot of Plinx and Pen/Shelt/Jo before the timers were lengthened. No one exploited the events. I never saw anyone upset with another player over how they did these events. I forum a lot, and don’t recall any threads about reporting people back when CS events happened frequently. Now, I see reports of such behavior regularly. The change seems to be directly attributable to ANet’s decisions.

IndigoSundown.5419:

Some players are going to farm. At one time, they were content to farm events in CS by completing them. ANet did not find that to be acceptable, so the time between events was lengthened. Now, players don’t want the events to complete, because there is too much time before the next one.

I did a lot of Plinx and Pen/Shelt/Jo before the timers were lengthened. No one exploited the events. I never saw anyone upset with another player over how they did these events. I forum a lot, and don’t recall any threads about reporting people back when CS events happened frequently. Now, I see reports of such behavior regularly. The change seems to be directly attributable to ANet’s decisions.

Yeah, it is kind of ironic that all of this would have been avoided (for the most part) if they’d just left Pent/Shelt and Plinx alone. I never saw the problem with people farming events in the end game zone that was designed to be the place-to-be for end-game open world PvE players.

darkace.8925:

IndigoSundown.5419:

Some players are going to farm. At one time, they were content to farm events in CS by completing them. ANet did not find that to be acceptable, so the time between events was lengthened. Now, players don’t want the events to complete, because there is too much time before the next one.

I did a lot of Plinx and Pen/Shelt/Jo before the timers were lengthened. No one exploited the events. I never saw anyone upset with another player over how they did these events. I forum a lot, and don’t recall any threads about reporting people back when CS events happened frequently. Now, I see reports of such behavior regularly. The change seems to be directly attributable to ANet’s decisions.

Yeah, it is kind of ironic that all of this would have been avoided (for the most part) if they’d just left Pent/Shelt and Plinx alone. I never saw the problem with people farming events in the end game zone that was designed to be the place-to-be for end-game open world PvE players.

What will be even more ironic is if/when they change the events. With the Anchorage escort, I’d guess the time before it can restart will be extended. They’ve already got a failure condition. Will CS go back to the all-but-abandoned state it was in two weeks ago? Stay tuned for further developments.

If they falsely report you they are putting their own accounts in jeopardy because it is a violation to submit false reports. A /map screen cap might be your friend next time it occurs. Just don’t post it here unless you edit the names out.

Seems to me some people in here are jealous of EG.

Completing the event is what ANet intends with any events.

People trying to keep the event going until the timer runs out and it fails are exploiting in order to gain more profit from champions that spawn. If anyone was to be banned it would be people who have been farming this event a TON. Not saying I think they will be banned, just that if ANet picked someone to ban it would certainly NOT be the people completing the event.

Chances are they are going to nerf this event, and others like it, to the point where the zerg is no longer interested in it anyways. Don’t worry, you are fine.

IndigoSundown.5419:

Some players are going to farm. At one time, they were content to farm events in CS by completing them. ANet did not find that to be acceptable, so the time between events was lengthened. Now, players don’t want the events to complete, because there is too much time before the next one.

I did a lot of Plinx and Pen/Shelt/Jo before the timers were lengthened. No one exploited the events. I never saw anyone upset with another player over how they did these events. I forum a lot, and don’t recall any threads about reporting people back when CS events happened frequently. Now, I see reports of such behavior regularly. The change seems to be directly attributable to ANet’s decisions.

Even if it is a result, ANet had good reasons to do that, and now, even better reasons to send Dhuum upon anyone who sinks as low as exploiting and then daring to report (or threaten to) anyone who might mess up their act. Either on its own would be sufficient reason, I suspect.

Sure, players farm. That’s fine. As it’s fine that ANet takes steps to ensure farmers don’t blow up the economy. But farmers should stay within the limits allowed to them; some players are so greedy that they won’t, and those players we’d be well rid of.

I’m fine with people farming champs. It means the prices of the koolio skins will drop.

Until then, I’ll just be abusing gold gains…

Also, keep in mind that it’s a bannable offense to report wrongly (multiple times).

They didn’t want people farming the events, so they added the champions. Now they’re adding interesting loot to the champions, so people farm them. What now? They’re gonna add legendary mobs in the middle of the champions to prevent people farming them?

Go ahead and report them. Nothing will happen

I farmed this last year and got reported. Still here.

It will get nerfed, but don’t get excited that you think people will get banned

crazyfox.4269:

Seems to me some people in here are jealous of EG.

Since you are on Sanctum of Rall I will let you in on a little tip: had you guys just farmed the Champions at Anchorage, but let the event finish properly, we would all be able to farm those Champs for a long time to come. But you didn’t. You chose the path of farming them for about a week only and that’s it because ArenaNet is going to come in and fix the issue come Monday or Tuesday like they did with the Champion Giant at the start of the Gates of Arah pre-event. So instead of us getting to farm those champions from now until forever, we get to farm them for a week and now that thing will be rendered useless for all time because you guys couldn’t see past your next loot drop. Jealous of EG? Nope. Just ticked you guys didn’t have more foresight and chose the quick hit. Thanks a ton though for calling your server and guild out so that everyone will know who is responsible for yet another nerf soon.

You just found bad people, block them and continue your journey!

If anything I would say those telling you not to complete it should be banned for “EXPLOITING” the event. Go ahead COMPLETE any and all events you have a chance to, forget the greedy sods who try to EXPLOIT everything they can.

well, i think it goes back to how we view events. are we in it for the loot? or are we in it for the story and satisfaction of completing an event? if the former, then it makes sense people are purposefully failing certain events. easy question – you want to fight one champ or 30 champs? i.e. 1 loot bag or 30 loot bags?

if the latter, then of course you want to complete events. though with the way the game is set up now, those who want the event to fail can just hang around the area, so the boss / champs are scaled up, lettign only one or two who want to finish the event to fight ’em out on their own. easier said then done.

the other day, i heard someone call a person who finished the events a griefer. :// it’s boudn to happen. there are always going to be people on .. i wont’ say 2, but maybe 3 sides or more. those who want to farm as much as possible. those who want to intentionally just get in the way of those who want to farm. and then there are those who just, well, just want to play the game as is. guess who misses out the most? :/// and not just speaking of rewards.

Khisanth.2948:

darkace.8925:

Chorel.1720:

It`s not bannable to complete events. It`s just people being idiots with the new champion loot. The community went from nice to being total kittens. I saw someone call someone else a kittenbag for killing the Champion Spider in Queensdale just before. Map chat went from being helpful to just one giant zerg calling champions out.

One of the best things and one of the worst things Anet has done in a while.

They chose to cater to the wrong MMO crowd, in my opinion. The “MOAR!!!” MMOers are the wrong kind of players to build a community – or a game – around.

This isn’t really a matter of catering to anyone. The change has made it so failure is more rewarding than success for some events. That should never be the case. Imagine if they dungeon reward change was “get one extra gold but only if your team wipes at the boss”. That wouldn’t make any sense but that is what happened with some events. Fixing this would require completely redesigning some event chains. Some chains already had this issue before the change.

Does everything need a reward? Maybe, maybe not. Rewards encompass many things. The easiest reward are for tangible things like gold. Access to specific vendors would also be considered a reward but only for some people. Making a difference in the world would also be another reward but we’ve only seen extremely shallow versions of that.

Looks to me like they just took the easier way out rather than trying to cater to a specific group. Implementing the other types of rewards is harder than creating loot tables.

When GW2 launched, I was a little baffled the first time I got rewarded for failing an event. The coin/karma/exp reward is the same whether the event succeeds or fails.

GW2 seems to be a game where everyone wins, even when you lose.

Khisanth.2948:

This isn’t really a matter of catering to anyone. The change has made it so failure is more rewarding than success for some events. That should never be the case. Imagine if they dungeon reward change was “get one extra gold but only if your team wipes at the boss”. That wouldn’t make any sense but that is what happened with some events. Fixing this would require completely redesigning some event chains. Some chains already had this issue before the change.

This. Game designers need to be really careful about incentivizing failure.

That lesson should have been learned when WoW first added tokens to battlegrounds. Three for a win, one for a loss. Sounds fair, right? Only problem is, a quick loss takes a lot less than one third as long as a hard-fought win, so players are encouraged to just give up if the other side gets off to a good start. And yes, if you tried to carry on fighting hard and offer some resistance, you’d get abused by your own team.

Maybe champions which spawn as part of events should add their loot box to the event reward – if and when the event is successfully completed.

Quarktastic.1027:

When GW2 launched, I was a little baffled the first time I got rewarded for failing an event. The coin/karma/exp reward is the same whether the event succeeds or fails.

GW2 seems to be a game where everyone wins, even when you lose.

Incorrect, the rewards are halved if the event fails.

Ignore map chat.

not only will it solve this specific problem, it’ll allow you to live a happier life, bereft of the garbage that is public chat channels.

I feel like making a guild event to intentionally break the zerg chain. lol

Zine.2136:

I went to cursed shore today to try out some of the scaling events. One of the events spawns a lot of elemental champs. Soon I was being blasted in map chat and folks were saying to block me, some suggesting that I should be banned for botting.

I left without completing the event – but was rather disappointed in the experience and concerned my account would be flagged.

Is it ok to complete the events in cursed shore? With the amount of folks in the event farming, I am rather concerned about the economy going belly up. The immersion in the game also seems to break, adding to the unfun factor. Other events in the zone are ignored too with everyone focusing on the farm. I sincerely hope ANet nerfs farming of events such as this, such as encouraging people to complete the event.

So my question is, am I ok completing these events without ANet punishment?

This is why I turn off map chat entirely. There are better things to do than listen little children threaten to tattle on me for a PERCEIVED wrongdoing, simply because I’m getting nicer stuff than them. No matter what their idle threats, I suspect nothing will actually happen because I’m playing the game. And on the off chance Anet does turn out to be so daft that they actually ban me for playing normally, then I would know to find a new game.

tl;dr- ignore map chat. You lose brain cells reading it, anyhow.

darkace.8925:

They chose to cater to the wrong MMO crowd, in my opinion. The “MOAR!!!” MMOers are the wrong kind of players to build a community – or a game – around.

Normally I would disagree, but this time I don’t. Before this, the best rewards came from instances. That pidgeonholed everyone into a single style of play. The goal of this was to open up the opportunity for everyone to play what they enjoy and get rewarded equivalently. No, it’s not perfect yet and no, it’s not balanced yet. But the idea is on the right track.

This isn’t about MOAR, it’s about giving everyone, not just dungeon runners, something to play for.

Vayne.8563:

I feel like making a guild event to intentionally break the zerg chain. lol

That would be griefing and would be bannable as you would be intentionally harassing other players.

just guest on one of the lowest populated servers and u will have less zergs freaking out! i once had that with the holograph things during dragon bash and soemone called me the c word….i was really offended as i am female, but then again…its some very very sad people that have the urge to yell at people, because they wanna speedfarm everything within 1 day!

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Vayne.8563:

I feel like making a guild event to intentionally break the zerg chain. lol

That would be griefing and would be bannable as you would be intentionally harassing other players.

I’m sorry, but taking a guild of people to the Cursed Shore to do events in the order we choose isn’t griefing. Even intentionally breaking the zerg chain isn’t griefing.

Events are there to be done and we’d be doing them. That’s like saying it’s griefing to win at PvP or it’s griefing to win a one of the races.

I’m playing the game. I’m doing dynamic events. With my guild.

There’s no griefing involved here.

They were not very nice, that is quite obvious. On my server and on Desolation people are quite nice. if you want to start a chain you can do so whenever you want. It is also nice to give in mapchat you are about to do a champ spawning event, but not needed. I always do it because I like the help and also understand people want to know if one is active. Never had any people shouting at me, so you were unlucky I think, I hope…

Chorel.1720:

It`s not bannable to complete events. It`s just people being idiots with the new champion loot. The community went from nice to being total kittens. I saw someone call someone else a kittenbag for killing the Champion Spider in Queensdale just before. Map chat went from being helpful to just one giant zerg calling champions out.

One of the best things and one of the worst things Anet has done in a while.

I’ve noticed this behavior as well in Queensdale last night, with someone getting upset in Map Chat because a champion was up and downed without someone calling it out in Map Chat first. Interesting to see that’s been a larger trend in behavior. I wouldn’t have expected people to get quite that hung up on the pursuit of the loot since its not really that special.

GrandmaFunk.3052:

Ignore map chat.

not only will it solve this specific problem, it’ll allow you to live a happier life, bereft of the garbage that is public chat channels.

I will not ignore map chat, nor block anyone. Message gets abusive, I report. To such a farmer, the temp ban is going to seem like an eternity.

I just find it funny how people think 1 chest from a boss and a free rare every 2 hours is worth way more than 20-30 boxes + other loots every 15 minutes.

ppl are hostile now. Some kitten bag was commanding the champ farm in CS the other day and left half the zerg behind. I turn my icon on to sort kitten out and a kittenstorm hit from his bandwagon glory riding guild. After tasting his delicious tears i turned my icon off and he wasnt being a kitten for a bit. But you know how it is with these kittens and he was back at it till some other guy came and schooled him.

Welcome to the new pve farm.

I haven’t yet seen this thing where the zerg tries to eat someone alive for not calling out a champ, but it’s not a far stretch of the imagination. I have been chastised for not calling a champ out in Queensdale, but it was just one person, and they were relatively civil about it. What really scares me is the claims that zergs are trying to get people banned by reporting them when all they did was not help the zerg farm the crap out of the map. It’s the tyranny of the majority. This is malicious behavior, and I really hope Anet can tell the difference and is willing to really look in to any such incidents before unilaterally banning people. In fact, people who falsely report out of malice, deserve to be retroactively banned for this behavior. The fact that this is even an issue shows that the MMO community (at least in this game) has been poorly conditioned.

Vol.5241:

Go ahead and report them. Nothing will happen

I farmed this last year and got reported. Still here.

It will get nerfed, but don’t get excited that you think people will get banned

U red gud

Vayne.8563:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Vayne.8563:

I feel like making a guild event to intentionally break the zerg chain. lol

That would be griefing and would be bannable as you would be intentionally harassing other players.

I’m sorry, but taking a guild of people to the Cursed Shore to do events in the order we choose isn’t griefing. Even intentionally breaking the zerg chain isn’t griefing.

Events are there to be done and we’d be doing them. That’s like saying it’s griefing to win at PvP or it’s griefing to win a one of the races.

I’m playing the game. I’m doing dynamic events. With my guild.

There’s no griefing involved here.

The stated purpose for your “event” is to interfere with what other players are doing. You certainly are not going to get banned for it. Completing events is not wrong and ANet is not going to ban for having the intent to interfere. However, you are intending to interfere. If you carry that out that intent, you’re as much of a skritthead as the players who are complaining about other players whose intent is to finish the event.

Vayne.8563:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Vayne.8563:

I feel like making a guild event to intentionally break the zerg chain. lol

That would be griefing and would be bannable as you would be intentionally harassing other players.

I’m sorry, but taking a guild of people to the Cursed Shore to do events in the order we choose isn’t griefing. Even intentionally breaking the zerg chain isn’t griefing.

Events are there to be done and we’d be doing them. That’s like saying it’s griefing to win at PvP or it’s griefing to win a one of the races.

I’m playing the game. I’m doing dynamic events. With my guild.

There’s no griefing involved here.

Completing events is not griefing. Intentionally interfering with players for the sole purpose of harassing them and preventing them from getting loot is griefing and is reportable as per the game rules.

This has nothing to do with PvP please don’t bring up irrelevant tangents.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Vayne.8563:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Vayne.8563:

I feel like making a guild event to intentionally break the zerg chain. lol

That would be griefing and would be bannable as you would be intentionally harassing other players.

I’m sorry, but taking a guild of people to the Cursed Shore to do events in the order we choose isn’t griefing. Even intentionally breaking the zerg chain isn’t griefing.

Events are there to be done and we’d be doing them. That’s like saying it’s griefing to win at PvP or it’s griefing to win a one of the races.

I’m playing the game. I’m doing dynamic events. With my guild.

There’s no griefing involved here.

Completing events is not griefing. Intentionally interfering with players for the sole purpose of harassing them and preventing them from getting loot is griefing and is reportable as per the game rules.

This has nothing to do with PvP please don’t bring up irrelevant tangents.

You can report me till the cows come home for completeing events. Nothing will happen to me for it. You’re not seeing the bigger picture here.

Some people think because they play a certain way, they own the map. That’s wrong. Those people do NOT own the map. They are not entitled to tell other people how to play, much less insult them for ruining their farm.

Dynamic events were put there for players to finish. If I go to the cursed shore and finish events, and someone doesn’t like the order in which I finish them, it’s completely irrelevent to me. Because I’m not going to the cursed sure to farm. I’m going to the cursed shore to drive back Zhaitan’s minions. I have no desire to look up a video to see the correct way to beat Zhaitans minions.

Anet won’t do anything to someone completing events. Farmers do not own Orr. And the attitudes of farmers that think they own Orr will only end up with their own bans and nerfs.

Please note, I also believe there are very nice farmers, who don’t insult people. Probably the reason I wouldn’t actually have this event…but believe me when I tell you, if someone curses me out for not doing things in the order they want, Anet won’t punish me for it.

What kind of game design makes it worse to actually complete something?

IndigoSundown.5419:

Vayne.8563:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Vayne.8563:

I feel like making a guild event to intentionally break the zerg chain. lol

That would be griefing and would be bannable as you would be intentionally harassing other players.

I’m sorry, but taking a guild of people to the Cursed Shore to do events in the order we choose isn’t griefing. Even intentionally breaking the zerg chain isn’t griefing.

Events are there to be done and we’d be doing them. That’s like saying it’s griefing to win at PvP or it’s griefing to win a one of the races.

I’m playing the game. I’m doing dynamic events. With my guild.

There’s no griefing involved here.

The stated purpose for your “event” is to interfere with what other players are doing. You certainly are not going to get banned for it. Completing events is not wrong and ANet is not going to ban for having the intent to interfere. However, you are intending to interfere. If you carry that out with that intent, you’re as much of a skritthead as the players who are complaining about other players whose intent is to finish the event.

I said I “feel like” making a guild events. Not quite the same thing as actually making a guild event. I feel like it, because I don’t feel anyone has the right to curse other people out for playing a game they paid for the way that they want to play. No one should have to go to watch videos on You Tube to run around Orr and do events. This isn’t reasonable.

Anyone who knows me at all (which is pretty much no one on these forums) knows I wouldn’t take action like that unless someone personally tried to curse me out for playing the game. That said, if that were to happen, I might very well bring my guild to Orr to do events.

Because the farmers don’t own Orr. They are licensing a copy of the game just like I am.

More people = lower chance of obtaining weapons.
I think this could fix the problem.
(furthermore zerging is not even so challenging)

Erick Alastor.3917:

More people = lower chance of obtaining weapons.
I think this could fix the problem.
(furthermore zerging is not even so challenging)

that would literally kill a part of what made Gw2 stand out from the rest of the MMORPGS. if that happened then it wouldn’t be people yelling at you for ruining their farming spot, it be people yelling at you for just being there.

least now you can be there and join the farm.

Dagraan.2854:

Erick Alastor.3917:

More people = lower chance of obtaining weapons.
I think this could fix the problem.
(furthermore zerging is not even so challenging)

that would literally kill a part of what made Gw2 stand out from the rest of the MMORPGS. if that happened then it wouldn’t be people yelling at you for ruining their farming spot, it be people yelling at you for just being there.

least now you can be there and join the farm.

Yea, I’m not a fan of creating an “us vs them” mentality with the loot. It’s part of what I love about GW2, and don’t want to see it shift in the opposite direction :-\

Dagraan.2854:

Erick Alastor.3917:

More people = lower chance of obtaining weapons.
I think this could fix the problem.
(furthermore zerging is not even so challenging)

that would literally kill a part of what made Gw2 stand out from the rest of the MMORPGS. if that happened then it wouldn’t be people yelling at you for ruining their farming spot, it be people yelling at you for just being there.

least now you can be there and join the farm.

Just if everyone mindlessly wp to a specific champion. And what I’ve suggested would discourage people from doing so.
Think of it, you simply play the game, and while playing you encounter a champion, you can kill him and probably there would be not so many people around, but still enough to help you out. It would be more challenging and more fun.
But I see one problem here, right now the open world is not so populated (at least on rof) so, first of all, devs should give us a reason to explore it again as a whole.