(edited by Rikimeru Tokesbudz.3816)
Confessions of a Magic Find Leech
Just because you want it to be doesn’t mean it is a false claim.
Just because you want to ignore very blatant math showing that Berserker’s WILL do more damage than Explorer’s in the same circumstances doesn’t mean that it makes no difference.
35% crit gets a 14% damage increase from the crit damage alone, with higher crit chances getting more from it. Plus, Power directly means MORE DAMAGE.Math demonstrates your claim is false.
I also pointed out that the aformentioned math is assuming the best situations are present and that both players are at optimal skill. Great theory, on paper. So is communism. Just sayin’ n_~
After all, if it is a job, I should be paid by the boss to do what he wants, right?"
Actually the boss in this would be the dungeon, which in this case is stupidly paying someone MORE for doing LESS. Which is exactly what is trying to be fixed here.
Naah. The boss is the party leader. He’s the one who decides what. The dungeon is just the workplace.
you fail at common-sense, math and you yell communism. kitten yeah.
Not only did you ignore half of my argument for the first quote in your post, you’re trying to shift the point of interest of the boss off the person deciding who goes on the run to the dungeon, which shows you’re grasping at straws.
As I said earlier, I will not be trolled into your opinion, and I will not be posting back. Until I am paid, BY THE PARTY LEADER, to not put on MF gear, I will be wearing it until I decide to take it off.
And what exactly did I ignore, other than your unwillingness to realize that math proves Berserker’s is better in combat than Explorer’s?
And you, by the way, completely missed the point of the metaphor, which is that compared to a workplace it’s completely backwards, in that someone is explicitly getting paid more BECAUSE they do less work.the flaw in your argument is that people in mf gear do not do less work. they would actually have to do more work because they have less survivability/dps.
lol? do more work to pull numbers out from their kitten ? do these missing numbers will suddenly appear if you “put more work”? wont ever happen.
Not only did you ignore half of my argument for the first quote in your post, you’re trying to shift the point of interest of the boss off the person deciding who goes on the run to the dungeon, which shows you’re grasping at straws.
As I said earlier, I will not be trolled into your opinion, and I will not be posting back. Until I am paid, BY THE PARTY LEADER, to not put on MF gear, I will be wearing it until I decide to take it off.
And what exactly did I ignore, other than your unwillingness to realize that math proves Berserker’s is better in combat than Explorer’s?
And you, by the way, completely missed the point of the metaphor, which is that compared to a workplace it’s completely backwards, in that someone is explicitly getting paid more BECAUSE they do less work.the flaw in your argument is that people in mf gear do not do less work. they would actually have to do more work because they have less survivability/dps.
And so does everyone else. A solo person chooses to do more work for more reward, but in a group, they’re choosing to make their whole group do more work so they alone can get rewarded for it, because they made their work less effective.
Not only did you ignore half of my argument for the first quote in your post, you’re trying to shift the point of interest of the boss off the person deciding who goes on the run to the dungeon, which shows you’re grasping at straws.
As I said earlier, I will not be trolled into your opinion, and I will not be posting back. Until I am paid, BY THE PARTY LEADER, to not put on MF gear, I will be wearing it until I decide to take it off.
And what exactly did I ignore, other than your unwillingness to realize that math proves Berserker’s is better in combat than Explorer’s?
And you, by the way, completely missed the point of the metaphor, which is that compared to a workplace it’s completely backwards, in that someone is explicitly getting paid more BECAUSE they do less work.the flaw in your argument is that people in mf gear do not do less work. they would actually have to do more work because they have less survivability/dps.
And so does everyone else. A solo person chooses to do more work for more reward, but in a group, they’re choosing to make their whole group do more work so they alone can get rewarded for it, because they made their work less effective.
OMG you have to push a button 2 extra times the horrible extra work!!!! seriously if you have this much problem with what gear people wear you should quit mmo’s and play single player games. hell if your gonna complain this much about a dungeon taking an extra minute or two you should probably quit playing games altogether because you obviously dont have the time to play, so go back to shirtless flexing in the mirror.
Not only did you ignore half of my argument for the first quote in your post, you’re trying to shift the point of interest of the boss off the person deciding who goes on the run to the dungeon, which shows you’re grasping at straws.
As I said earlier, I will not be trolled into your opinion, and I will not be posting back. Until I am paid, BY THE PARTY LEADER, to not put on MF gear, I will be wearing it until I decide to take it off.
And what exactly did I ignore, other than your unwillingness to realize that math proves Berserker’s is better in combat than Explorer’s?
And you, by the way, completely missed the point of the metaphor, which is that compared to a workplace it’s completely backwards, in that someone is explicitly getting paid more BECAUSE they do less work.the flaw in your argument is that people in mf gear do not do less work. they would actually have to do more work because they have less survivability/dps.
And so does everyone else. A solo person chooses to do more work for more reward, but in a group, they’re choosing to make their whole group do more work so they alone can get rewarded for it, because they made their work less effective.
OMG you have to push a button 2 extra times the horrible extra work!!!! seriously if you have this much problem with what gear people wear you should quit mmo’s and play single player games. hell if your gonna complain this much about a dungeon taking an extra minute or two you should probably quit playing games altogether because you obviously dont have the time to play, so go back to shirtless flexing in the mirror.
Even if it’s not much, the fact of the matter is you are wasting other peoples’ time, and by extension their income, in order to line your own pocket, when you use MF.
People you are supposed to be cooperating with.
That is the very definition of leeching.
Not only did you ignore half of my argument for the first quote in your post, you’re trying to shift the point of interest of the boss off the person deciding who goes on the run to the dungeon, which shows you’re grasping at straws.
As I said earlier, I will not be trolled into your opinion, and I will not be posting back. Until I am paid, BY THE PARTY LEADER, to not put on MF gear, I will be wearing it until I decide to take it off.
And what exactly did I ignore, other than your unwillingness to realize that math proves Berserker’s is better in combat than Explorer’s?
And you, by the way, completely missed the point of the metaphor, which is that compared to a workplace it’s completely backwards, in that someone is explicitly getting paid more BECAUSE they do less work.the flaw in your argument is that people in mf gear do not do less work. they would actually have to do more work because they have less survivability/dps.
And so does everyone else. A solo person chooses to do more work for more reward, but in a group, they’re choosing to make their whole group do more work so they alone can get rewarded for it, because they made their work less effective.
OMG you have to push a button 2 extra times the horrible extra work!!!! seriously if you have this much problem with what gear people wear you should quit mmo’s and play single player games. hell if your gonna complain this much about a dungeon taking an extra minute or two you should probably quit playing games altogether because you obviously dont have the time to play, so go back to shirtless flexing in the mirror.
Even if it’s not much, the fact of the matter is you are wasting other peoples’ time, and by extension their income, in order to line your own pocket, when you use MF.
People you are supposed to be cooperating with.
That is the very definition of leeching.
income? last i checked this game had no subscription fee, unless im special and they waived the sub fee for me without telling me. and really, if you cant spare an extra minute or two you should probably not be playing video games if your 2 extra minutes are that important.
(edited by Rikimeru Tokesbudz.3816)
Not only did you ignore half of my argument for the first quote in your post, you’re trying to shift the point of interest of the boss off the person deciding who goes on the run to the dungeon, which shows you’re grasping at straws.
As I said earlier, I will not be trolled into your opinion, and I will not be posting back. Until I am paid, BY THE PARTY LEADER, to not put on MF gear, I will be wearing it until I decide to take it off.
And what exactly did I ignore, other than your unwillingness to realize that math proves Berserker’s is better in combat than Explorer’s?
And you, by the way, completely missed the point of the metaphor, which is that compared to a workplace it’s completely backwards, in that someone is explicitly getting paid more BECAUSE they do less work.the flaw in your argument is that people in mf gear do not do less work. they would actually have to do more work because they have less survivability/dps.
And so does everyone else. A solo person chooses to do more work for more reward, but in a group, they’re choosing to make their whole group do more work so they alone can get rewarded for it, because they made their work less effective.
OMG you have to push a button 2 extra times the horrible extra work!!!! seriously if you have this much problem with what gear people wear you should quit mmo’s and play single player games. hell if your gonna complain this much about a dungeon taking an extra minute or two you should probably quit playing games altogether because you obviously dont have the time to play, so go back to shirtless flexing in the mirror.
Even if it’s not much, the fact of the matter is you are wasting other peoples’ time, and by extension their income, in order to line your own pocket, when you use MF.
People you are supposed to be cooperating with.
That is the very definition of leeching.income? last i checked this game had no subscription fee, unless im special and they waived the sub fee for me without telling me. and really, if you cant spare an extra minute or two you should probably not be playing video games if your 2 extra minutes are that important.
In-game income.
Extra time they spend in a dungeon is time they could’ve spent getting more money somewhere else, in addition to the fixed amount they’d get from the dungeon. Meaning, you’re wasting time they could be using to be somewhere else, and all associated incomes, in order to get income yourself.
Because you are a leecher.
Not only did you ignore half of my argument for the first quote in your post, you’re trying to shift the point of interest of the boss off the person deciding who goes on the run to the dungeon, which shows you’re grasping at straws.
As I said earlier, I will not be trolled into your opinion, and I will not be posting back. Until I am paid, BY THE PARTY LEADER, to not put on MF gear, I will be wearing it until I decide to take it off.
And what exactly did I ignore, other than your unwillingness to realize that math proves Berserker’s is better in combat than Explorer’s?
And you, by the way, completely missed the point of the metaphor, which is that compared to a workplace it’s completely backwards, in that someone is explicitly getting paid more BECAUSE they do less work.the flaw in your argument is that people in mf gear do not do less work. they would actually have to do more work because they have less survivability/dps.
And so does everyone else. A solo person chooses to do more work for more reward, but in a group, they’re choosing to make their whole group do more work so they alone can get rewarded for it, because they made their work less effective.
OMG you have to push a button 2 extra times the horrible extra work!!!! seriously if you have this much problem with what gear people wear you should quit mmo’s and play single player games. hell if your gonna complain this much about a dungeon taking an extra minute or two you should probably quit playing games altogether because you obviously dont have the time to play, so go back to shirtless flexing in the mirror.
Even if it’s not much, the fact of the matter is you are wasting other peoples’ time, and by extension their income, in order to line your own pocket, when you use MF.
People you are supposed to be cooperating with.
That is the very definition of leeching.income? last i checked this game had no subscription fee, unless im special and they waived the sub fee for me without telling me. and really, if you cant spare an extra minute or two you should probably not be playing video games if your 2 extra minutes are that important.
In-game income.
Extra time they spend in a dungeon is time they could’ve spent getting more money somewhere else, in addition to the fixed amount they’d get from the dungeon. Meaning, you’re wasting time they could be using to be somewhere else, and all associated incomes, in order to get income yourself.
Because you are a leecher.
idk how i am a leecher? i have never even owned a piece of gear with mf on it. but im not some lifeless dbag who thinks ingame income of 2 minutes is deathly important to the point that i will discriminate against people because of how they like to play or gear their toons. i play the game to have fun, not to worry about a couple silver pixels, because the point of playing videogames is to have fun not count and stress out over imaginary money. and the most pathetic part is the stupid mf gear has no tangible benefit or drawback. sure it does on paper but not enough to actually matter in game. hell you can make air look poisonous on paper by running the numbers, but when you go outside do you fall over and die from breathing?
(edited by Rikimeru Tokesbudz.3816)
Not only did you ignore half of my argument for the first quote in your post, you’re trying to shift the point of interest of the boss off the person deciding who goes on the run to the dungeon, which shows you’re grasping at straws.
As I said earlier, I will not be trolled into your opinion, and I will not be posting back. Until I am paid, BY THE PARTY LEADER, to not put on MF gear, I will be wearing it until I decide to take it off.
And what exactly did I ignore, other than your unwillingness to realize that math proves Berserker’s is better in combat than Explorer’s?
And you, by the way, completely missed the point of the metaphor, which is that compared to a workplace it’s completely backwards, in that someone is explicitly getting paid more BECAUSE they do less work.the flaw in your argument is that people in mf gear do not do less work. they would actually have to do more work because they have less survivability/dps.
And so does everyone else. A solo person chooses to do more work for more reward, but in a group, they’re choosing to make their whole group do more work so they alone can get rewarded for it, because they made their work less effective.
OMG you have to push a button 2 extra times the horrible extra work!!!! seriously if you have this much problem with what gear people wear you should quit mmo’s and play single player games. hell if your gonna complain this much about a dungeon taking an extra minute or two you should probably quit playing games altogether because you obviously dont have the time to play, so go back to shirtless flexing in the mirror.
Even if it’s not much, the fact of the matter is you are wasting other peoples’ time, and by extension their income, in order to line your own pocket, when you use MF.
People you are supposed to be cooperating with.
That is the very definition of leeching.income? last i checked this game had no subscription fee, unless im special and they waived the sub fee for me without telling me. and really, if you cant spare an extra minute or two you should probably not be playing video games if your 2 extra minutes are that important.
In-game income.
Extra time they spend in a dungeon is time they could’ve spent getting more money somewhere else, in addition to the fixed amount they’d get from the dungeon. Meaning, you’re wasting time they could be using to be somewhere else, and all associated incomes, in order to get income yourself.
Because you are a leecher.idk how i am a leecher? i have never even owned a piece of gear with mf on it. but im not some lifeless dbag who thinks ingame income of 2 minutes is deathly important to the point that i will discriminate against people because of how they like to play or gear their toons. i play the game to have fun, not to worry about a couple silver pixels, because the point of playing videogames is to have fun not count and stress out over imaginary money.
Is English a second language for you?
The “you” referred to the hypothetical person using MF gear.
Here, let me reword it then:
Extra time the party spends in a dungeon is time they could’ve spent getting more money somewhere else, in addition to the fixed amount they’d get from the dungeon. Meaning, the MF user is wasting time the party members could be using to be somewhere else, and all associated incomes, in order for the MF user to get more money.
Because the MF user is a leecher.
Also, do you honestly believe people repeatedly run explorables for fun? They run it for money and tokens. When a MF user wastes their time by making it take longer, it’s wasting time the other people could have used to get more money or tokens, or gone on to do something that’s actually fun once they got the daily farm out of the way.
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In-game income.
Extra time they spend in a dungeon is time they could’ve spent getting more money somewhere else, in addition to the fixed amount they’d get from the dungeon. Meaning, you’re wasting time they could be using to be somewhere else, and all associated incomes, in order to get income yourself.
Because you are a leecher.
Yeah, you’re one of those people that suck the fun out of everything. “Time” is the ultimate value to you.
I have to wonder how does a person like you become interested in gaming?
By nature, gaming is a ‘huge waste of time’ that you could spend doing something infinitely more valuable.
If entertainment is your pursuit, you’re certainly wasting your time by focusing on an inferior method to that end.
Even more so in something like an MMO where other people inevitably have an irrecoverable measure of control in regards to your expenses (time).
You’re cheating yourself, brah.
In-game income.
Extra time they spend in a dungeon is time they could’ve spent getting more money somewhere else, in addition to the fixed amount they’d get from the dungeon. Meaning, you’re wasting time they could be using to be somewhere else, and all associated incomes, in order to get income yourself.
Because you are a leecher.Yeah, you’re one of those people that suck the fun out of everything. “Time” is the ultimate value to you.
I have to wonder how does a person like you become interested in gaming?
By nature, gaming is a ‘huge waste of time’ that you could spend doing something infinitely more valuable.
If entertainment is your pursuit, you’re certainly wasting your time by focusing on an inferior method to that end.
Even more so in something like an MMO where other people inevitably have an irrecoverable measure of control in regards to your expenses (time).
You’re cheating yourself, brah.
but dude, if he dont get that 2 minutes of imaginary income his life will end, his house will get repo’ed due to lack of copper and silver coins, and his wife will leave him for being a guildwars2 failure!!!
Time is gold, brah. if you do fast runs, that means lesser wasted time gaming. and the time saved could be used doing something else, like mining orichalcum ores, if you’re still gaming, which is translated to in game gold. Or that time saved could be used to do a google search, finding a job opening elsewhere. google searches just take less than a minute and that lost minute could be a missed opportunity.
while you’re at it.
Gear inspect would be pointless players would just have 2 sets and switch to the magic find set after you’ve check their gear. They should just remove it from working in dungeons/fractals except for the food
Also, do you honestly believe people repeatedly run explorables for fun? They run it for money and tokens. When a MF user wastes their time by making it take longer, it’s wasting time the other people could have used to get more money or tokens, or gone on to do something that’s actually fun once they got the daily farm out of the way.
if you run it for money you should wear magic find, you are really that bad at calculating effectiveness?
just teasing you.
though i think anti magic find user are very entertaining, i am sure, and already stated in this very same post that if magic find wouldn’t exist you anti magic find user would complain about something else.
another exemples here: if i run a dungeon using a ranger… and if i decide to use spirits instead of quickening zephir and rampage as one, vitality build instead of berserker. you would kick me out of the party because i would slow you down, no matter the survivability you would say: don’t make a ranger if you can’t dodge and survive in berserker, you suck , get out of my way, i have two precious minutes to spend elsewhere (two minutes is 120 secs, i have skills that have a longer cool down).
so please don’t make me laugh! if you run dungeon for money wear your magic find and have fun (i’m sure once you try you’ll never come back). if you run to beat the world record of 100 mts speed you probably should do the athlet not the video gamer… you should probably kick everyone who can’t play the same way as you do
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Time is gold, brah. if you do fast runs, that means lesser wasted time gaming. and the time saved could be used doing something else, like mining orichalcum ores, if you’re still gaming, which is translated to in game gold. Or that time saved could be used to do a google search, finding a job opening elsewhere. google searches just take less than a minute and that lost minute could be a missed opportunity.
while you’re at it.
It’s of no consequence to me if you want to be a contradiction to your own ideals. That’s your issue to deal with.
Those who whine about time in a game, an MMO no less where an element of your time invested will always be at the mercy of other people no matter what you do…
There will always be instances of lost time and opportunity in game or otherwise. Not just over MF gear either. Just sayin’.
People like you will always be a very perturbed gamer indeed.
no skill is not part of any dps comparison formula, since we talking about the individual player, YOUR skill doesn’t change whether YOU run in beserkers or mf gear, YOUR dps does however decrease if you run the mf ones (apparently you survive fine so berserkers would make more sense as alternative to you), which means in turn that mobs dies slower if YOU run mf, maybe leading to that some of the OTHER plates that you live longer than might not have died in the long run, which then means you helped the TEAM do the run FASTER and will LESS casualties
So, basically, what you are saying is…s/he is not carrying others enough and should do even more. And that’s…selfish?!
did you miss the part about doing the run FASTER, wihc means everyone yourself AND the rest of your team can go on do others stuff (or maybe have time for another run) earlier, thus helping everyone, both himself and the others…
And here I thought people run dungeons for gold and items. If you want it “faster”, just go run a circle around Frostgorge Sound. That’s really fast as well.
no skill is not part of any dps comparison formula, since we talking about the individual player, YOUR skill doesn’t change whether YOU run in beserkers or mf gear, YOUR dps does however decrease if you run the mf ones (apparently you survive fine so berserkers would make more sense as alternative to you), which means in turn that mobs dies slower if YOU run mf, maybe leading to that some of the OTHER plates that you live longer than might not have died in the long run, which then means you helped the TEAM do the run FASTER and will LESS casualties
So, basically, what you are saying is…s/he is not carrying others enough and should do even more. And that’s…selfish?!
did you miss the part about doing the run FASTER, wihc means everyone yourself AND the rest of your team can go on do others stuff (or maybe have time for another run) earlier, thus helping everyone, both himself and the others…
And here I thought people run dungeons for gold and items. If you want it “faster”, just go run a circle around Frostgorge Sound. That’s really fast as well.
The faster you do it, the faster you get to go somewhere ELSE and get its gold and items.
Or, you know, the faster you finish farming and go do something more interesting.
The faster you do it, the faster you get to go somewhere ELSE and get its gold and items.
Or, you know, the faster you finish farming and go do something more interesting.
Then why do people run dungeons? As I said, jogging a circle around FS is so much faster. Try doing that instead and tell me how speed is the most important thing when farming.
The faster you do it, the faster you get to go somewhere ELSE and get its gold and items.
Or, you know, the faster you finish farming and go do something more interesting.Then why do people run dungeons? As I said, jogging a circle around FS is so much faster. Try doing that instead and tell me how speed is the most important thing when farming.
Well, there’s tokens, which get skins.
And there’s FotM, which is faster than that.
Well, there’s tokens, which get skins.
And there’s FotM, which is faster than that.
You do full fotm run in under 5 min? I’d like to see the video of that.
Well, there’s tokens, which get skins.
And there’s FotM, which is faster than that.You do full fotm run in under 5 min? I’d like to see the video of that.
Faster at getting money or useful things.