Guild Wars 2

Now doing your dailies gives 25 points per day, 9125 points per year? That must be a joke if equipping a legendary weapon only gives 5 points (same with many other time consuming achievements).
Whats the point of achievement points if they only show how often you did repeatable nonsense tasks?

Eventually they will all be laurels.

Stock up, but not through agent of entropy, that will be taken off the list and made finite.

5 Points from equipping a Legendary

What about all of the other activities?

• World Completion – Local Hero, Skillful, Been There, Done That, Dungeons Discovered, [Area] Explorer, Wall Breach Blitz
• Karma From Events (Emergency Response Hero)
• Materials – Salvage Master, Agent of Entrophy, Hunter Gatherer, 2 Crafting Disiplines
• Dungeons – Paths Complete

As well as all the other activities on the journey to getting a Legendary.

Anything that has a cap to it (ex. tier 5 of 5) will be turned into laurels somehow in the future. Maybe February or March.

For now,I’m just getting things done at my leisure and doing my dailies.

TheDaiBish.9735:

5 Points from equipping a Legendary

What about all of the other activities?

• World Completion – Local Hero, Skillful, Been There, Done That, Dungeons Discovered, [Area] Explorer, Wall Breach Blitz
• Karma From Events (Emergency Response Hero)
• Materials – Salvage Master, Agent of Entrophy, Hunter Gatherer, 2 Crafting Disiplines
• Dungeons – Paths Complete

As well as all the other activities on the journey to getting a Legendary.

i think you mean
*being an auction house exploiter
*buying gold for real money

Achievements are just for fun. Laurels aren’t an end all reward so it really doesn’t matter. I will take someone on my dungeon run if they are wearing green gear. I don’t care. This game doesn’t work like that.

I don’t agree with all the stuff people want from Map Completion and a Legendary. The Map Completion nets you a title and a shiny badge next to your name tag and two items for a Legendary Weapon. What more do you need? The Legendary is the reward itself. It also gives a nice badge at the load screen for YOU to enjoy PERSONALLY. If you are chasing anything more than that, it’s my opinion that you are doing it wrong.

raptor.1064:

TheDaiBish.9735:

5 Points from equipping a Legendary

What about all of the other activities?

• World Completion – Local Hero, Skillful, Been There, Done That, Dungeons Discovered, [Area] Explorer, Wall Breach Blitz
• Karma From Events (Emergency Response Hero)
• Materials – Salvage Master, Agent of Entrophy, Hunter Gatherer, 2 Crafting Disiplines
• Dungeons – Paths Complete

As well as all the other activities on the journey to getting a Legendary.

i think you mean
*being an auction house exploiter
*buying gold for real money

Ummm, no. I’m pretty sure I meant what I said.

You can get 29 points from dailies.

:)

Yumiko Ishida.3769:

Eventually they will all be laurels.

Stock up, but not through agent of entropy, that will be taken off the list and made finite.

This guy is misinformed. What they have said is that eventually all achievements will be given rewards, which will work retroactively, they did not specifically say those rewards would given in the form of laurels. And in fact, when someone asked that, they stated that as of then, that was not the plan.

I see so many complaining about achievement points these days and I dont understand why! Doing a daily for 25/29/whatever points doesnt make it nearly six times more important than equipping a legendary! Achievement points are just random numbers assigned to achievements that are designed to boost up your total points. It doesnt matter that some give less points because im pretty sure the majority that are playing the ‘achievement game’ arent doing it for total achievement points, theyre doing it to complete all achievements themselves. Hell, just do Entropy if youre interested in total points!

Whats the point of achievement point if they have zero value for comparing players?

raptor.1064:

TheDaiBish.9735:

5 Points from equipping a Legendary

What about all of the other activities?

• World Completion – Local Hero, Skillful, Been There, Done That, Dungeons Discovered, [Area] Explorer, Wall Breach Blitz
• Karma From Events (Emergency Response Hero)
• Materials – Salvage Master, Agent of Entrophy, Hunter Gatherer, 2 Crafting Disiplines
• Dungeons – Paths Complete

As well as all the other activities on the journey to getting a Legendary.

i think you mean
*being an auction house exploiter
*buying gold for real money

I am about 62 obi shards away from my twilight, and did none of those things that you mentioned. Your statement is complete and utter ignorance. All this bigotry towards legendaries is BS. Get over it already, move on.

What is the point anyway at this time they do nothing, and we are yet to see what Anet plans for these Achievements, but from seeing their Laurel Venders approach i’m not holding much hope for them to be honest…either way it made no impact to open world that i can see..

Grind is the New Guildwars 2..

Malediktus.9250:

Now doing your dailies gives 25 points per day, 9125 points per year? That must be a joke if equipping a legendary weapon only gives 5 points (same with many other time consuming achievements).
Whats the point of achievement points if they only show how often you did repeatable nonsense tasks?

Yes there are a few key features that ArenaNet just does NOT understand….

Achievement points aren’t suppose to have a point. They just prove you did something in the game that’s considered of some value.

What did you think achievements were about originally?

They’re just there for face value, dude. There’s no deeper meaning, and any that is added is entirely ANet’s choice to do so.

Obviously it has meaning to some people, for example I often see people only taking 3k+ achievement points into their team. (which is obviously nonsese because of the many repeatable achieves)

I have never seen that behaviour in my life and quite frankly its total rubbish. You have my sympathy if people were kicking you from groups because you didn’t have enough achievement points. Gear elitists are bad enough, now there are achievement point elitists? lol

Sender.7958:

I have never seen that behaviour in my life and quite frankly its total rubbish. You have my sympathy if people were kicking you from groups because you didn’t have enough achievement points. Gear elitists are bad enough, now there are achievement point elitists? lol

This is how i choose my pugs when leveling alts to 40 in AC Exp. Having a party full of folks who’ve been around the block before on their main’s makes doing the dungeon at 40 a breeze.

Having 4 people with 600 acievement points on THEIR main level 40’s is a much different experience.

Lost 6,000 points in the update. No idea why, maybe they took out all the achievements I got. The fact remains though, I was not compensated for the points I lost in the update and I feel as though this whole game has become an even bigger waste of time than it was to start with.

You lost them because of the fixed HoM achievement exploit.

Also, I agree that the way achievement points are granted is so backwards. They are so worried about casual players being left behind, even with something as useless as these points, that they suck the prestige out of every nook of their game. But it makes sense in the sense that casuals are typically the loosest with their money. Another example of pay2prestige. Which is fine I guess, if you’re in to that kind of thing.

Back in ‘nam achievement points mean’t somethin! Wtf blizz?!

It’s not a question of " achievement points meaning something " but of logic. Why is PvE daily giving 25 pts and PvP monthly giving 7 points only ??

Aside, what’s the difference between someone farming queensdale 1 hour per day and someone who got all achievements ( let’s say almost all), but who isn’t caring much on daily ?

Personnaly i do not mind, but i think 25 pts is too much compared to other achievements..

Game must be doing great if you start complaining about this…

Tell me, what advantage does more achievement points have? O.o

Who levels alts in dungeons? That’s a painfully slow way to level.

Zorby.8236:

Game must be doing great if you start complaining about this…

Tell me, what advantage does more achievement points have? O.o

None yet, but that’s the point. Anet said they are adding a reward system that uses your achievement points. If you work hard for 6 months to get a bunch of achievement points only to be beaten out in 3 days of someone doing a daily that takes 30 minutes it just kind of sucks. We just want some consistency between effort and points.

Sender.7958:

I have never seen that behaviour in my life and quite frankly its total rubbish. You have my sympathy if people were kicking you from groups because you didn’t have enough achievement points. Gear elitists are bad enough, now there are achievement point elitists? lol

I got 4850 achievement points so I didnt run into this problem yet, but I saw groups requirering certain amount of achievement points plenty of times on my server.

toxianguardian.4850:

Sender.7958:

I have never seen that behaviour in my life and quite frankly its total rubbish. You have my sympathy if people were kicking you from groups because you didn’t have enough achievement points. Gear elitists are bad enough, now there are achievement point elitists? lol

This is how i choose my pugs when leveling alts to 40 in AC Exp. Having a party full of folks who’ve been around the block before on their main’s makes doing the dungeon at 40 a breeze.

Having 4 people with 600 acievement points on THEIR main level 40’s is a much different experience.

yet the guys with 600 points might have done the AC exp before already, where as the guys with 3k may never even done a single dungeon before even on story, hell might even just have used a day or 2 farming agent of entropy…

toxianguardian.4850:

This is how i choose my pugs when leveling alts to 40 in AC Exp. Having a party full of folks who’ve been around the block before on their main’s makes doing the dungeon at 40 a breeze.

Having 4 people with 600 acievement points on THEIR main level 40’s is a much different experience.

I’ve been playing since launch, though less after the first month and I have less than 1200 achievement points. I just don’t care about them at all or need that pat in the back telling me about how great I was picking up 1000 flowers.

I am a title hunter like in GW 1, so I tend to try to get all of them done. Dungeons will be almost impossible now with horrible players and my horrible computer. I still have over 900 or 4900 (depending on how many tiers on it) giants to kill. There are only 2-3 hostile giants (all champions and events) in the game and risen don’t count.

I had no trouble earning my dungeon sets. I was getting BIS gear, I was getting cool skins, I was playing with other people in a co-operative environment that was balanced for player skill, even the easy dungeons are rewarding experiences, especially compared to Orr. I had a story behind where I got my armour, it had context, flavour, a place in the world of Tyria. I was gathering a variety of sets for a variety of play styles and builds and I was doing this, for the most part, at my own pace and with a reasonable time goal.

I am sick and tired, so sick and tired, of FotM. That same paths over and over again hoping to get a ring (and then hoping that ring isn’t a trash MF one I’ll only use to give an alt AR). I am seriously getting worn out on FotM dailies, I grin and bear it at this point. I already feel this way about my dailies. FotM is buggy and rarely counts as an event, so that daily is a chore to fill, gatherer can’t be done in FotM or dungeons, so I run around some low level zone blowing Orichalcum picks for some arbitrary requirement, the list goes on. If I want to step away from the game for a day, I know I’m one more day away from my amulet. When I have multiple characters to equip, I feel pressured to make sure that I’m in the game every single day, jumping through hoops. It feels horrible now. I was playing almost every day before FotM and before laurel dailies, I enjoyed it, I was not bored. I felt free to do what I wanted to do and often played for long periods of time. Now I begrudgingly do my daily to get my ring roll and PR no matter how bored I’ve become of that dungeon. It feels like work every time I load into the dredge fractal. I find NPCs to res and copper to mine to get my laurel. Then I’m annoyed with the game and I log out.

The recent changes to the game, the limited options for ascended gear and the dramatic grind and calendar gating is adding too much pressure to log in daily and it’s creating a situation where I no longer feel like I can play how I want, where I want or when I want. These items are so much harder to get than the old ones (10 days for a ring, compare that to a complete dungeon set – and most, if not all, dungeons are much harder than FotM lvl 10). I have several exotic dungeon sets on my ranger. I have exotic dungeon sets on all my level 80 toons (I have five level 80s, some with more than one armour set). I used to gather sets and experiment with builds and play styles. It was a lot of work for a whole dungeon set, but it wasn’t too bad and it was worth it to access a slew of new build options for my character. Now, I log in, do my two dailies, get very little (or nothing) for my work until 10 or 30 days later, and I don’t get to play where I want to play. I’m constantly looking at a daily tab to check on the requirements I have left, I have never naturally completed one, I’ve always had to grind it out, search it out, tick it off like some nagging list.

What if I want to play my ele today? I can’t because I want ascended rings and I haven’t bothered to grind my elementalist through 10 levels (that’s like 30+ different paths before I even start getting the items I want). I need to play my ranger if I want my daily ring roll and my relic.

I know dailies are optional (playing the game is optional) and ascended gear is optional, but for someone who enjoys building strong characters and aims for BIS gear, the value of doing a daily is too much to ignore. It’s also so tedious and boring that it feels like a chore, but it’s too valuable (and calendar gating puts such a high opportunity cost of not logging in that day) to not diligently ensure you do it if you want to attain your item in any reasonable time, let alone equip a second character (or god forbid you want to experiment with a different build and thus a different amulet or ring).

Now I actually like playing GW2. I enjoy levelling alts or running dungeons, trying new builds, getting new gear and generally just exploring the world. I don’t feel like I have the time to do that any more now that dailies are becoming more and more prominent. They are the sole source of ascended items, they are calendar gated to take the decision of when I play out of my hands (I might have time for four FotM runs on Saturday, but no time for a run on Monday-Thursday, I can still only get one daily on Saturday, same for the daily achievement) and I rather than rewarding me for logging in and playing that day, I am logging in and ticking the list off because I wouldn’t complete it otherwise. If I decide to do what I want to do that day, and which character I want to do it on, there is a very good chance I won’t get my FotM daily or my daily achievement. If I decide to take a day away from the game (or two days) I am two days behind on my incredibly long laurel grind, with no other way to get the amulet or laurels.

I feel like dailies dictate when and where I play these days.

Dailies are meant to give inspirational direction when/if you don’t already have something to do…
And it’s totally needed when there are players out there who went and got 100% map completion without a month.

The only thing I think ANet needs to do about this is give us an option to hide the stupid event tabs.
Be it personal story, dailies, hearts, or whatever, we shouldn’t have to see them if we don’t want to.

The only post about this is over a month old (months maybe, i don’t recall), and its only excuse is that players would have a hard time opening it again. Which is a pretty silly excuse with maybe ways to work around it.

The visual effect of having that tab sitting there shouldn’t be underestimated. For a lot of players, it’s like an OCD box waiting to be checked off.

Im sorry, but if you don’t naturally complete at least PART of your dailies, you are just bad. I always look down and 80% of it is miraculously done, from just playing the game. Dodging… part of the game. Gathering… part of the game. Veterans, revives, you name it its all a HUGE part of guild wars 2. The only one I don’t normally do is crafting, and it takes all of 30 seconds with the gathered mats I have, to just run up to the crafter and craft something. Oh, and those stupid underwater kills >.>

Its not like you have to do dailies, I doubt there i someone beside you with a gun at your ead screaming at you to do them.

I’ve always had to grind it out, search it out, tick it off like some nagging list.

Perhaps you should reset your goals to something you do enjoy ?

“JP/DE/wvw/dungeon/(insert anything) kills GW2 for me.”
Seriouly?Nowadays people are not playing games but played by the game itself?
You can choose not to participate in anything that you find not interesting.
Just keep your pace to play.
There is no need to rush.

Goettel.4389:

I’ve always had to grind it out, search it out, tick it off like some nagging list.

Perhaps you should reset your goals to something you do enjoy ?

He would most likely enjoy running a weekly-gated 40 man dungeon for months to get that one tier 200 ring.

His choice if running a few easy dailies for half a month is too much.

Ive never did dailys too much i had 1400 achieve points until recent, but i have my fractal capacitor fully upgraded, BiS items in every slot (except triforge pendant but iam not gonna me this one), 2 sets of corrupted weapons and over 50 charged lodestones in my deposit and some other T6 mats which i need for weapon i currently making (i still need much more of those mats
Dailies wont help you in anything you can farm gold or karma or nothing if thats what you choose to do and you dont need dailies for that….

GW2 is still the best MMO out there, even though PvE was turned into very traditional MMO fetch questing, gear-treadmill and content gating, even thought Anet touted that GW2 would never have such things.

But hey, I paid only $60 for this.
I played 1000 hours of non-traditional content before I realized the PvE endgame is classic blizzard fetch questing (dailies), gear grinding (fractals), plus I still have the PvP so it’s fine for me.

I have 6 lv80’s. Getting each of them ONE ascended pendant for ONE specific build (so I can’t experiment) means 6 months .

On top of it all, my highest fractal level is not translated to other characters so I can’t break the monotony of doing the fractal with the class that has access to fractal weapon drops and infused rings. So….no ability to switch to alts to freshen the game.

They said this game would be alt friendly. Every kitten patch it gets further away from that claim.

Ascended items should be account bound and not soulbound.

After much fuss about eliminating grind, skinner box grinds are everywhere you turn.

fractals = optional, ascended gear = only needed for high lvl fractals = not required for normal game play

dailies = optional, for those who like to do them,

fractal rings at lvl 10 u get a token a day, 10 tokens = 1 ring you choose stats for

lurals for ascended gear = 30 days for amulet via dailys or 20 days + monthly.

please stop whining about gw2, try games like AION TERA or any other korean mmo then u can complain about how long things take to grind or RNG.

also look at WoW gear progression, 1 item from a vendor can take 2 weeks to obtain = 14 days and all raid gear is pure rng with no way to obtain them outside of raid enviroments.

if you dont like it just quit. the game still has what it says it has. just a very small part of the game is for a small portion of the comunity.

krixis.9538:

fractals = optional, ascended gear = only needed for high lvl fractals = not required for normal game play

dailies = optional, for those who like to do them,

fractal rings at lvl 10 u get a token a day, 10 tokens = 1 ring you choose stats for

lurals for ascended gear = 30 days for amulet via dailys or 20 days + monthly.

please stop whining about gw2, try games like AION TERA or any other korean mmo then u can complain about how long things take to grind or RNG.

also look at WoW gear progression, 1 item from a vendor can take 2 weeks to obtain = 14 days and all raid gear is pure rng with no way to obtain them outside of raid enviroments.

if you dont like it just quit. the game still has what it says it has. just a very small part of the game is for a small portion of the comunity.

Ascended is how ever required for WvW if you want to be at your best. See how far you get playing in greens.

Azure Prower.8701:

Ascended is how ever required for WvW if you want to be at your best. See how far you get playing in greens.

Whilst you comment about greens is legitimate, Ascended Gear isn’t going to give you that much of an advantage in WvW. Perhaps in a 1v1, assuming both players were of equal skill and latency… but how often does that happen?

The new dailies are great and they will be even better when they implement the ability to pick and choose from the daily achievement list to complete the day.

For people with less play time, dailies offer some direction for 20-60 minutes of play time for which they can earn progress towards a tier of rewards they would not be able to earn otherwise. For people who have more time to play, progress is likely to be made on most of the list just by playing as they normally play, with only a slight detour to fill in anything they’ve missed before the end of each day.

If you can’t do your dailies every day, big deal. Do them when you can and you’ll eventually have enough laurels to get what you want. The monthlies only require you to complete five dailies, making that element one of the easiest achievements on the monthly list.

I’ve done my dailies both ways, either knocking them out in a concentrated session, or just playing the way I normally play for a few hours and taking 20 minutes to finish up things on the list I’ve missed. I really don’t see the downside here and I really appreciate what Arenanet is doing here.

Also, remember that Arenanet will also eventually start awarding additional Laurels based on Achievement Points earned. They haven’t announced the exchange rate yet, but if they find the sweet spot, then Dailies may not provide the majority of Laurels in a month for active players, which would be great for the game and it’s players.

Sad thing is the OP could of completed his daily quicker than writing this waste of time post.
Where does it say you HAVE to run dailies?
Where does it say the is a Time scale in which to get gear?
Where are ANET saying “login, do your daily OR ELSE!”

Shiren.9532:

I feel like dailies dictate when and where I play these days.

i assure you i read your whole post. your last sentence sums it up quite nicely.

you need help and/or distance from the game.

I understand your problem and i feel the same way from time to time. you need to realize that you can not have it all.

some people state that gw2 is a grindy game. and it is true for them and you who do not want to settle on one character. who want to maximize their potential.

for the causual player that sees legendaries and ascended gear as what they are it is not a grindy game.

we are talking about gear that is considered between exotic and legendary. Of course i want to have them but i made peace with it that only the most dedicated players or – even better – guilds are able to make these things happen. and still not in a matter of days or weeks.

the laurel system is great – yes if you do not play everyday it sucks – but the punishment for it is all in your head.

If feel exactly the same way as OP. :/

The reality is that gear makes an immense difference in WvW, so the daily grind is unfortunatly mandatory as it is now, if you want to be able to continue to play.

Unfortunately this is how they want you to play the game. That is why I have not and will not step foot in the fractals.
People kittened and moaned that there was no progression – so now you have it.
I dont see the issue – they all wanted gated grinded +1 gear and got it.

No this game wasnt sold as that and anet sold out their principles and those players left right after but who cares.

When the expansion comes out I stop playing. Play their way or dont play at all.
And no this game is made for the casual and ALL Equipment and Gear is made available that is the issue. Forcing you into a single a build and grinding to get that gear is bad game dev.

Shiren.9532:

I am sick and tired, so sick and tired, of FotM. That same paths over and over again hoping to get a ring (and then hoping that ring isn’t a trash MF one I’ll only use to give an alt AR). I am seriously getting worn out on FotM dailies, I grin and bear it at this point. I already feel this way about my dailies. FotM is buggy and rarely counts as an event, so that daily is a chore to fill, gatherer can’t be done in FotM or dungeons, so I run around some low level zone blowing Orichalcum picks for some arbitrary requirement, the list goes on. If I want to step away from the game for a day, I know I’m one more day away from my amulet. When I have multiple characters to equip, I feel pressured to make sure that I’m in the game every single day, jumping through hoops. It feels horrible now. I was playing almost every day before FotM and before laurel dailies, I enjoyed it, I was not bored. I felt free to do what I wanted to do and often played for long periods of time. Now I begrudgingly do my daily to get my ring roll and PR no matter how bored I’ve become of that dungeon. It feels like work every time I load into the dredge fractal. I find NPCs to res and copper to mine to get my laurel. Then I’m annoyed with the game and I log out.

The recent changes to the game, the limited options for ascended gear and the dramatic grind and calendar gating is adding too much pressure to log in daily and it’s creating a situation where I no longer feel like I can play how I want, where I want or when I want. These items are so much harder to get than the old ones (10 days for a ring, compare that to a complete dungeon set – and most, if not all, dungeons are much harder than FotM lvl 10). I have several exotic dungeon sets on my ranger. I have exotic dungeon sets on all my level 80 toons (I have five level 80s, some with more than one armour set). I used to gather sets and experiment with builds and play styles. It was a lot of work for a whole dungeon set, but it wasn’t too bad and it was worth it to access a slew of new build options for my character. Now, I log in, do my two dailies, get very little (or nothing) for my work until 10 or 30 days later, and I don’t get to play where I want to play. I’m constantly looking at a daily tab to check on the requirements I have left, I have never naturally completed one, I’ve always had to grind it out, search it out, tick it off like some nagging list.

Now I actually like playing GW2. I enjoy levelling alts or running dungeons, trying new builds, getting new gear and generally just exploring the world. I don’t feel like I have the time to do that any more now that dailies are becoming more and more prominent. They are the sole source of ascended items, they are calendar gated to take the decision of when I play out of my hands (I might have time for four FotM runs on Saturday, but no time for a run on Monday-Thursday, I can still only get one daily on Saturday, same for the daily achievement) and I rather than rewarding me for logging in and playing that day, I am logging in and ticking the list off because I wouldn’t complete it otherwise. If I decide to do what I want to do that day, and which character I want to do it on, there is a very good chance I won’t get my FotM daily or my daily achievement. If I decide to take a day away from the game (or two days) I am two days behind on my incredibly long laurel grind, with no other way to get the amulet or laurels.

I feel like dailies dictate when and where I play these days.

No they don’t.. Nobody makes you do them. They only feel like a chore cause you make them into a chore. They are there to give you something to do… Too many times I have read people crying there’s nothing to do. Most of those dailies can be done by just normal play.

You can do wvwvw in exotics just fine, you dont NEED ascended. Sure its nice, but its not an absolute must and when you are zerging, it really makes little difference. And if your roaming solo, then thats on you. If your roaming a 5 man, again exotics are just fine. I really think you guys just really WANT to have ascendeds and it shouldn’t take you a month to get the gear, it should take you a while, like legendaries are supposed, like everything is supposed to. This game you can gear up in full exotics 1 to 80 in like 2 weeks or less. Now all the sudden a new tier comes out and you HAVE TO HAVE it, well then you know how to get it, so guess what? Thats what ya gotta do if you have to have the absolute best gear in the game or whatever.

Immense difference in wvw? No. Slight? Yes.

Geez….qq.