Guild Wars 2

They made the dailies much more of a grind now.

WHY?

Are you serious?

Dailies are now “Pick any 5” instead of “Do exactly these 5.”

They’re less difficult now and more flexible.

You can do them a whole lot faster if you pick the right ones now, so no, if anything they are much less of a grind now.

Why do you consider it a grind? I am in class so I havent been able to get on and see them.

Yeah, I thought they were going to make it so we could pick from all available daily options as to what we wanted to complete. Instead we get to pick from a bunch of options for that day. Now it seems completing your daily is harder doing what you want to do. If I want to WvW I’m not going to do either of the 40 kill ones, not going to complete a fractal, probably not 3 skill points, not the down-leveled events, etc. Just annoying really.

Can anyone give some examples of what is on the list right now?

I find them more time consuming now, but I don’t really mind so much. What I am happy about is it seems they are allowing us to choose for the monthly as well. Not this month it seems because it’s so close to the end of the month, but it does say in-game “you only need to complete a subset of your daily or monthly category” so I’m guessing this means we actually get a choice next month! I’ll actually be able to do the monthlies because I won’t be forced to do dungeons. Very happy right now.

Alkron.1345:

Can anyone give some examples of what is on the list right now?

Off the top of my head:

10 WvW invader kills

40 kills in ascalonian zones

40 kills in Norn(?) zones

1 fractal

5 sidekicked events(you’re downleveled)

10 salvages

3 skill points

20 gathering

Eliyahu.1467:

Are you serious?

Dailies are now “Pick any 5” instead of “Do exactly these 5.”

They’re less difficult now and more flexible.

Im not talking about difficulty. Im talking about time.

I just did it. Easy, yes. But took much longer than the last 60
days of me doing it. Get 3 skill points? Map completion already
for me, and Im not going to make a toon just for that. Run a
fractal? No thanks. kill xxx mobs in xxx zone? Even worse.

All Im saying is that Im surprised things went in a more time consuming
direction.

Thunderbrew.7034:

Eliyahu.1467:

Are you serious?

Dailies are now “Pick any 5” instead of “Do exactly these 5.”

They’re less difficult now and more flexible.

Im not talking about difficulty. Im talking about time.

I just did it. Easy, yes. But took much longer than the last 60
days of me doing it. Get 3 skill points? Map completion already
for me, and Im not going to make a toon just for that. Run a
fractal? No thanks. kill xxx mobs in xxx zone? Even worse.

All Im saying is that Im surprised things went in a more time consuming
direction.

Then just pick the other ones. You don’t have to do all 9. Pick 5 and leave the rest out. Kill 40 creatures in Plains of Ashford, salvage 10 items, do a JP, …

New ones are alot better, now we can again play as we like anddo them along, we dont have to go to specific places just to get the aquatic kills for example.

As a 99% WvW player I do feel this is more grind, it forces me to do more PvE zones that before I didn’t need to do. 10 kills / gather and salvage are the only ones I can achieve today without stepping into PvE – before most days did them while playing the game, maybe just needed to finish off one part (aquatic kills – yuk)

Ooshi.8607:

You give them an inch, they ask for a mile….

They are asking the game to be pushed into the ground if you ask me. Every new thing that helps ppl they come back and say what small thing is wrong one day we will see ppl complain that they got to log on to do something there just no point in trying to reason with this point of view.

More of a grind, not really. I finished it faster then usual. But they do add alot more spice to the table, really happy about the choices your allowed to make.

Distaste.4801:

Alkron.1345:

Can anyone give some examples of what is on the list right now?

Off the top of my head:

10 WvW invader kills

40 kills in ascalonian zones

40 kills in Norn(?) zones

1 fractal

5 sidekicked events(you’re downleveled)

10 salvages

3 skill points

20 gathering

3 skill points? lol…that a pretty big grind… some of the others are fairly fast though, 10 salvages for instance, super fast.

Distaste.4801:

Alkron.1345:

Can anyone give some examples of what is on the list right now?

Off the top of my head:

10 WvW invader kills

40 kills in ascalonian zones

40 kills in Norn(?) zones

1 fractal

5 sidekicked events(you’re downleveled)

10 salvages

3 skill points

20 gathering

Thanks! Doesnt seem too bad

If that’s the list (still patching) that’s not much of a choice. Auto write-off PvP and Fractals combined with map completion that leaves only 5 left to do. Having said that, those look better than the previous ones.

I still wish they’d separate PvP and PvE dailies. I really don’t understand what’s so difficult about doing that.

can’t do dailys anymore.
im wvw/pvp player and the old dailys were annoying as hell but doable giving me the chance to get those kitten laurels to be on the same level as other players.
now with those choices (if they are the only ones) I won’t get laurels. I will not kill 40 mobs in ascalon and i’m done with fractals (getting those 2 rings was the LAST time in my life I do something I don’t want) and the other objectives are forcing me to play the game the way I don’t want to.
why not add objectives so that EVERYBODY can get dailys easily?
they said they want ascended items to be time-gated and adding 20 choices to do dailys would not alter that.

I don’t really care if they take more time or not.

However, I do care that again ANet did not consider how their customers would respond. Basic failure to understand players has occurred again. This could have so easily been avoided.

Keeping an open mind, and understanding that a lot of players piled onto the server at the same time (server reset)…. my first 30 mins in the game, leveling an alt was such a sad experience it bordered on funny.

In the lowbie zones (those requiring 40 kills)… and events done while downsized….

… what I observed was:

• step out into zone, find 5-6 level 80’s mowing through mobs leaving huge patches of cleared areas free of mobs. Not a good impression for a new player trying to learn game, level weapons, or find heart mobs.

• Events were totally overridden with 80s (yes, you can tell by the gear), and completed before players at level could get to them or get enough hits in (contribute enough) to make bronze, much less silver or gold.

I believe those were added as a way to entice more activity in those zones? Not overrun the folks trying to level there. (Benefit of the doubt here.)

If this was the first time that ANet implemented a change, not understanding players WILL take the path of least resistence, that would be understandable. Sadly, it appears to be a trend.

Makes me wonder which team has been left in place from the original folks who released the game.

I am trying desperately to remember the following 2 axioms regarding development:

1) “An intuitive change to a complex system will inevitably leave that system worse off.”

2) “Never attribute to malice aforethought that which can adequately be explained by incompetence.”

Especially the 2nd one.

ANet, your continued decisions inflicting damage on the community continues to erode trust and confidence in the game, its future direction and potential longevity for me and my guild. Which is unfortunate, because the game made a significant contribution to the genre.

ive noticed, in this game, in this community, with these players…everything is a grind. Thought theres exceptions and Fancats too which are the most annoying ones…

Got it done in 10 minutes.

The only thing I have to say about it is that I feel bad for the low level players in starting zones. I ran around trying not to one shot everything so they could get credit. I remember when I was leveling an alt, high level people would kill everything before I could touch it. Was a bit annoying imo.

There are more options BUT they’re far more restrictive AND time-consuming.

1 – The ‘Kill 40x’ quests are ridiculous. Before you could kill whatever you want and play the game as you would like to play it. For me, I’d rack up these kills in the cursed shore where the loot and events are relevant to my level. But now, i’m forced to go to these zones to get 40-80 kills, all the time wondering, why am I sent here? Besides slogging it out for the daily quest, I have no real purpose here.

2 – 3x Skill Points – OK~ but this is still quite grindy, perhaps 1h30 of events to get this. This daily is ok for people still leveling but for casual 80 players, especially for those who have little time after coming home from work, are forced to do activities that give XP. Some activities in GW2 are more lucrative for XP than others, either way, this is time consuming.

3 – Daily Fractal – Wow, a forced dungeon. I don’t run this dungeon often, I don’t have the time. I actually join the dungeon my guildmates happen to be doing or, join a lower level dungeon with low level guild members. How about changing this to, do ANY DUNGEON OF YOUR CHOICE.

I know people are going to get all defensive here but the main reason why I’m playing this was because I was drawn by the notion that arenanet conveyed to me: to allow players to play the game as they want it.

At first I was like, oh cool, individualistic dailies. Maybe I can do dailies that I care about! But now it seems more like ‘here are some dailies that arenanet wants you to do in order to stimulate the economy, get more player activity in instance X, etc etc’

Don’t underestimate the size of your casual market, time-consuming dailies are the exact opposite of what we want. The casual market is bigger than ever at this point in time, like it or not. Now, get this: Dailies that prove to be a chore IS NOT a selling point.
The dailies must be generalized enough such that they are applicable to every player and are gradually completed minute by minute by doing the stuff they’re interested in. Now this would be a feature I would be thrilled to tell my colleagues and friends about.

Example:
- Kill Any 50 monsters of your choice
- Make 10 PvP kills in a map of your choice
- Do a dungeon of your choice

The old dailies were like this, there was freedom in what you can do. And the time spent, as you would normally play, would eventually complete it. Now it’s more like, I have to do X number of activities I don’t care about ON TOP of what I’d normally want to do. I really don’t have the time and guess what, dailies become a chore and get BORING.

I’m not whining about making it easier (not like dailies should be based on difficulty anyway), i’m asking for dailies to be more relevant to any player’s daily play.

This game is getting more and more grind only. Dailys for that, monthlys for that, dailys for that again and this and that. Well, good that the game is not p2p.. Noone would it play.

I back to play for see de Daily, How I see:

10 WvW invader kills – I don’t do WvW anymore (I have 1000kills)
40 kills in ascalonian zones – I’m not in this map
40 kills in Norn(?) zones – I’m not in this map
1 fractal – I don’t do this.
5 sidekicked events(you’re downleveled) – This is fine.
10 salvages – ok
3 skill points – very hard
20 gathering – ok

3 good options and 7 terribles for me. =/

I like this system. Some activities just bugged me in the old system.

Dailies are, and always have been a grind

HeliaXDemoN.1208:

40 kills in ascalonian zones – I’m not in this map
40 kills in Norn(?) zones – I’m not in this map

Those are two very easy options that you won’t do because “you’re not on the map” when the game has a waypoint system? Only took about 10-15 minutes a piece on those.

as a WvW player, this is a #fail. the PvE team should work much closer with the WvW team. It may not really matter as WvW is failing anyways..

Vlawde.1895:

Dailies are, and always have been a grind

Dailies are, and always have been OPTIONAL.

Qahlel.3805:

There are more options BUT they’re far more restrictive AND time-consuming.

1 – The ‘Kill 40x’ quests are ridiculous. Before you could kill whatever you want and play the game as you would like to play it. For me, I’d rack up these kills in the cursed shore where the loot and events are relevant to my level. But now, i’m forced to go to these zones to get 40-80 kills, all the time wondering, why am I sent here? Besides slogging it out for the daily quest, I have no real purpose here.

2 – 3x Skill Points – OK~ but this is still quite grindy, perhaps 1h30 of events to get this. This daily is ok for people still leveling but for casual 80 players, especially for those who have little time after coming home from work, are forced to do activities that give XP. Some activities in GW2 are more lucrative for XP than others, either way, this is time consuming.

3 – Daily Fractal – Wow, a forced dungeon. I don’t run this dungeon often, I don’t have the time. I actually join the dungeon my guildmates happen to be doing or, join a lower level dungeon with low level guild members. How about changing this to, do ANY DUNGEON OF YOUR CHOICE.

I know people are going to get all defensive here but the main reason why I’m playing this was because I was drawn by the notion that arenanet conveyed to me: to allow players to play the game as they want it.

At first I was like, oh cool, individualistic dailies. Maybe I can do dailies that I care about! But now it seems more like ‘here are some dailies that arenanet wants you to do in order to stimulate the market, get more player activity in instance X, etc etc’

Don’t underestimate the size of your casual market, time-consuming dailies are the exact opposite of what we want. The casual market is bigger than ever at this point in time, like it or not. Now, get this: Dailies that prove to be a chore IS NOT a selling point.
The dailies must be generalized enough such that they are applicable to every player and are gradually completed minute by minute by doing the stuff they’re interested in. Now this would be a feature I would be thrilled to tell my colleagues and friends about.

Example:
- Kill Any 50 monsters of your choice
- Make 10 PvP kills in a map of your choice
- Do a dungeon of your choice

The old dailies were like this, there was freedom in what you can do. And the time spent, as you would normally play, would eventually complete it. Now it’s more like, I have to do X number of activities I don’t care about ON TOP of what I’d normally want to do. I really don’t have the time and guess what, dailies become a chore and get BORING.

I’m not whining about making it easier (not like dailies should be based on difficulty anyway), i’m asking for dailies to be more relevant to any player’s daily play.

This is absurd. You are absurd.

You complain about lack of choice. There are 9 different dailies to choose from.

And you’re completely missing a central goal of dailies which is to give you an incentive to visit content that you don’t usually visit.

If you can’t spend 5 minutes in Ascalon or in Norn territory that’s your problem. The vast majority of us like having a reason to go back to these zones and explore content that we haven’t seen in a while or might have missed when we were leveling.

You only mention 4 daily options that you didn’t particularly like….Guess what? That leaves you 5 other ones for you to do. Even if you don’t like some of those just take 10 minutes to do them. Whoop dee kittenin doo.

TurtleofPower.5641:

I like this system. Some activities just bugged me in the old system.

How is this possible? The old activities were a superset of the activities now. They’ve become more restricted. I suppose this post gives as much insight as the vagueness it indicates.

Qhalel and HeliaXDemonN write it up very well.

Over the last few months I really got the feeling arenanet falters under the pressure from NC. Does not seem to me that they are able to develop their game the way the wanted.

sad mmo story +1 :\

It’s funny, I thought the lack of choice was what made the old ‘new’ dailies a problem. Today, on the first day I have a choice I have to completely change my planned play for the day. I would much prefer that I decide where and how I play. At least with the old ‘new’ dailies, and I didn’t like them, I could pretty much fit them in whatever I was up to. No longer. Once again, they have improved it worse.

Eliyahu.1467:

This is absurd. You are absurd.

You complain about lack of choice. There are 9 different dailies to choose from.

Yes, about 3 I actually care about. The others I don’t even get involved in for day to day play.

Eliyahu.1467:

And you’re completely missing a central goal of dailies which is to give you an incentive to visit content that you don’t usually visit.

There’s a reason I don’t visit them. If I wanted to visit content for the lols, I’d do it. If the central goal of dailies is to choke content down my throat, I’d load up another game and play what I want to.

The idea of dailies to me, as a veteran MMO gamer, is to enforce consistency. NOT persistency.

Eliyahu.1467:

If you can’t spend 5 minutes in Ascalon or in Norn territory that’s your problem.

I
Don’t
Want
To
Go
There
I
Shouldn’t
Have
To
Go
There.

Do I need to break it down even more for you to understand?

Eliyahu.1467:

The vast majority of us like having a reason to go back to these zones and explore content that we haven’t seen in a while or might have missed when we were leveling.

No.

1. Press M
2. Find Ascalon
3. Select way point
4. Travel
5. Proceed to kill 40 somethings
6. Press M
7. Find Hoelbrak
8. Select way point
9. Travel
10. Proceed to kill 40 something
11 . Daily done!

No matter how many choices you actually have, you’ll never be happy. There will always be something to kitten about.
Here’s a hint. If you know that dailies are easier done on the starting areas and are that cheap that you don’t want to travel from Orr with your main, park a alt in one of them. You get to level it a bit each day and complete the daily in the process.

Qahlel.3805:

Eliyahu.1467:

This is absurd. You are absurd.

You complain about lack of choice. There are 9 different dailies to choose from.

Yes, about 3 I actually care about. The others I don’t even get involved in for day to day play.

Eliyahu.1467:

And you’re completely missing a central goal of dailies which is to give you an incentive to visit content that you don’t usually visit.

There’s a reason I don’t visit them. If I wanted to visit content for the lols, I’d do it. If the central goal of dailies is to choke content down my throat, I’d load up another game and play what I want to.

The idea of dailies to me, as a veteran MMO gamer, is to enforce consistency. NOT persistency.

Eliyahu.1467:

If you can’t spend 5 minutes in Ascalon or in Norn territory that’s your problem.

I
Don’t
Want
To
Go
There

Eliyahu.1467:

The vast majority of us like having a reason to go back to these zones and explore content that we haven’t seen in a while or might have missed when we were leveling.

No.

then go play another game.

Eliyahu.1467:

This is absurd. You are absurd.

You complain about lack of choice. There are 9 different dailies to choose from.

And you’re completely missing a central goal of dailies which is to give you an incentive to visit content that you don’t usually visit.

If you can’t spend 5 minutes in Ascalon or in Norn territory that’s your problem. The vast majority of us like having a reason to go back to these zones and explore content that we haven’t seen in a while or might have missed when we were leveling.

It is not a question if I can or cannot spend five minutes in Ascalon but if I WANT that.
I don’t need reasons to travel to other maps because wvw map is enough fun for me. But now with the new dailys I’m in a disadvantage in that kitten gear treadmill in the long run.

does not matter if it takes 10 minutes to complete it if you travel around the world, those 10minutes would bore the hell out of me.
so that leaves me 2 options: ignore laurels and the gear treadmill or spend time doing stuff I hate.
great

Eliyahu.1467:

Then don’t do the daily. No skin off my back.

You can’t be bothered for 10 minutes of your time, so don’t expect ANet to spend 1000s of man hours catering to your every whim at the expense of other players, princess.

If you’re going to make exaggerations, don’t expect anyone to take your post seriously.

I like them. I got my daily done a lot faster than I usually do, actually.

The main reason they had Shiverpeaks and Ascalon kills up for today is, I assume, to encourage people to check out the new Living Story stuff.

Qahlel.3805:

Eliyahu.1467:

Then don’t do the daily. No skin off my back.

You can’t be bothered for 10 minutes of your time, so don’t expect ANet to spend 1000s of man hours catering to your every whim at the expense of other players, princess.

If you’re going to make exaggerations, don’t expect anyone to take your post seriously.

Look princess, you clearly don’t understand what a dev team needs to do when developing a game. Updates to this game are not a simple process. It takes a lot of real people doing real work trying to make millions of players happy. The experience simply cannot be personally tailored to each and every princess in this game so that that princess will never have to do anything she finds boring. That, princess, would take quite literally 1000s of man hours.

Qahlel.3805:

Eliyahu.1467:

Then don’t do the daily. No skin off my back.

You can’t be bothered for 10 minutes of your time, so don’t expect ANet to spend 1000s of man hours catering to your every whim at the expense of other players, princess.

If you’re going to make exaggerations, don’t expect anyone to take your post seriously.

If your going to make ridiculous demands of what is ultimately optional content, dont expect anyone, including ArenaNet, to take your posts seriously either.

grimmson.9154:

It is not a question if I can or cannot spend five minutes in Ascalon but if I WANT that.
I don’t need reasons to travel to other maps because wvw map is enough fun for me. But now with the new dailys I’m in a disadvantage in that kitten gear treadmill in the long run.

does not matter if it takes 10 minutes to complete it if you travel around the world, those 10minutes would bore the hell out of me.
so that leaves me 2 options: ignore laurels and the gear treadmill or spend time doing stuff I hate.
great

Exactly. Before, you could just login, do all your dailies inside WvW. Now you have to step outside, do some mind numbing PvE, run fractals, grind 3 levels.

The whole selling point of GW2 was that anyone can just jump in and have fun, noone should be forced to grind 80 levels to PvP, so they made it so that ANYONE can partipicate. LIKEWISE, noone should be forced to do a ton of chore-like-dailies to get EXCLUSIVE GEAR.

EverythingXen.1835:

Qahlel.3805:

Eliyahu.1467:

Then don’t do the daily. No skin off my back.

You can’t be bothered for 10 minutes of your time, so don’t expect ANet to spend 1000s of man hours catering to your every whim at the expense of other players, princess.

If you’re going to make exaggerations, don’t expect anyone to take your post seriously.

If your going to make ridiculous demands of what is ultimately optional content, dont expect anyone, including ArenaNet, to take your posts seriously either.

Laurels = daily exclusive = exclusive gear

cool options bro.

Ridiculous demands? What I was requesting was already in place.

Yeah this was totally unexpected, I was thinking we were getting to choose from the dailies that were doing already lol.

Ooshi.8607:

1. Press M
2. Find Ascalon
3. Select way point
4. Travel
5. Proceed to kill 40 somethings
6. Press M
7. Find Hoelbrak
8. Select way point
9. Travel
10. Proceed to kill 40 something
11 . Daily done!

No matter how many choices you actually have, you’ll never be happy. There will always be something to kitten about.
Here’s a hint. If you know that dailies are easier done on the starting areas and are that cheap that you don’t want to travel from Orr with your main, park a alt in one of them. You get to level it a bit each day and complete the daily in the process.

Thank you for clarifying this point!

The new daily’s are designed to consume/reduce in game coin.

The game reset my daily for nothing and I quit

Wainting for the next patch… if I don’t see they try to make characters evolution better, I will complete stop to play the game.

This game have a lot of cool things, but have no variety of skills and don’t help to see the Dynamic Events on mini-map and others kittens.

:D

Asia Skyly.7198:

Living is, and always has been, OPTIONAL.

Fixed that for ya. Oh, makes the same amount of sense as before.

nvm

Ooshi.8607:

1. Press M
2. Find Ascalon
3. Select way point
4. Travel
5. Proceed to kill 40 somethings
6. Press M
7. Find Hoelbrak
8. Select way point
9. Travel
10. Proceed to kill 40 something
11 . Daily done!

No matter how many choices you actually have, you’ll never be happy. There will always be something to kitten about.
Here’s a hint. If you know that dailies are easier done on the starting areas and are that cheap that you don’t want to travel from Orr with your main, park a alt in one of them. You get to level it a bit each day and complete the daily in the process.

Great creative content (note some sarcasm)… force players to rush 40 kills in two zones and move on… bored me senseless. Total waste of time.