Guild Wars 2

Can anyone confirm or deny DR affects the gifts?

Yesterday, I opened a bunch of stacks of gifts, got 3 ho-ho trons, 4 endless tonics, and 2 endless tonic recipe books.

Today, I resumed opening stacks of gifts and the loot started off good (2 ho-ho trons, a recipe book, an endless tonic) and after that I had a sudden drop-off in returns and have yet to receive anything in the last 4 hours…..

I’ve opened A LOT of stacks of gifts… and I feel like I am opening them too rapidly and getting hit by DR.

Normally I would attribute my poor results to a bad stroke of luck with RNG….. but I opened Halloween Bags for days straight and never saw a drop off like this……

…and the Wintersday gift loot was good when i opened a bunch of stacks, gave it a break, and opened a bunch more stacks…… then after continued opening….. nothing.

Experiences? Thoughts?

Holy kitten you’re lucky with drops.

5 ho-ho trons so far, endless tonics, recipe books. and you’re complaining because you hit a bad streak of RNG.

I’ve gotten 1 ho-ho tron and 1 recipe book. The rest pretty much nothing. It’s a bad streak of RNG which most of us deal with as the majority of our time in game. Be thankful you had a lucky streak before you got put down with the rest of us.

khani.4786:

Holy kitten you’re lucky with drops.

5 ho-ho trons so far, endless tonics, recipe books. and you’re complaining because you hit a bad streak of RNG.

I’ve gotten 1 ho-ho tron and 1 recipe book. The rest pretty much nothing. It’s a bad streak of RNG which most of us deal with as the majority of our time in game. Be thankful you had a lucky streak before you got put down with the rest of us.

…. no

You don’t understand how many gifts I’ve opened.

TheBlackLeech.9360:

khani.4786:

Holy kitten you’re lucky with drops.

5 ho-ho trons so far, endless tonics, recipe books. and you’re complaining because you hit a bad streak of RNG.

I’ve gotten 1 ho-ho tron and 1 recipe book. The rest pretty much nothing. It’s a bad streak of RNG which most of us deal with as the majority of our time in game. Be thankful you had a lucky streak before you got put down with the rest of us.

…. no

You don’t understand how many gifts I’ve opened.

Because you never said how many you’ve opened :p

How many aquabreathers did you get (did you get any)?

khani.4786:

TheBlackLeech.9360:

khani.4786:

Holy kitten you’re lucky with drops.

5 ho-ho trons so far, endless tonics, recipe books. and you’re complaining because you hit a bad streak of RNG.

I’ve gotten 1 ho-ho tron and 1 recipe book. The rest pretty much nothing. It’s a bad streak of RNG which most of us deal with as the majority of our time in game. Be thankful you had a lucky streak before you got put down with the rest of us.

…. no

You don’t understand how many gifts I’ve opened.

Because you never said how many you’ve opened :p

How many aquabreathers did you get (did you get any)?

It would take me an hour to add up all the box purchases on the TP.

(and for some silly reason it splits each stack purchased into random increment chunks)

…and no…. no breathers.

The reason for the “silly stack splits” is because it takes the amount each individual player sells you and keeps them in a chunk.

For example, if you have a standing order for 250 gifts and then one player sells 10 gifts, one player sells 140, and one sells 100, you’ll end up with stacks of 10, 140, and 100 in the TP window.

Got my exotic breather in less than 100 giant wintersday gifts. RNG is being RNG. I don’t think there’s any diminishing returns ever with containers.

I don’t have a link but Anet have said previously they don’t put diminishing returns on opening containers.

It might affect acquiring containers if you were farming them as drops, but not opening them.

Danikat.8537:

I don’t have a link but Anet have said previously they don’t put diminishing returns on opening containers.

It might affect acquiring containers if you were farming them as drops, but not opening them.

I believe that the only comment made by Anet staff was in regards to ToT bags….. not containers in general.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Gwynefyrdd-the-Halloween-miniature/page/7

Diminishing Returns do not apply to ToT Bags. I mean, phew! I read that question and my blood ran cold, but I felt sure — and the designer confirmed — that DR is not a factor with the Trick-or-Treat bags. Open 1, open 100, the drop rate is not impacted by diminishing returns.

I opened a lot of ToT bags during Halloween also…. and I never felt like the loot suddenly started giving minimal returns, and never once felt any DR present.

The gifts on the other hand is another story….

Unless I just had a 4 hour long bad luck streak, I’d almost definitely say DR was playing a role here….. but I don’t know for sure.

That is why I’m asking the forums to see if another player who has opened a lot of bags has similar experiences, or if a dev can confirm/deny the existence of DR.

There is no DR on opening bags because there isnt a good reason to implement it in the first place.

If DR do indeed affect containers, then all data regarding any containers can be thrown out of the window since they are skewed by DR. Someone would have noticed this a long time ago. Like that one guy who opened up 5000 champion loot boxes?

you said a few stack. Most people take it as like 3-4 stack. You are obviously lucky if you opened a few stack and get all that. Else wintersday box will be much more expensive or the mini and recipe will be much cheaper.

Unless you mean you opened 100 stack and call it a few.

Mileinnor.7125:

If DR do indeed affect containers, then all data regarding any containers can be thrown out of the window since they are skewed by DR. Someone would have noticed this a long time ago. Like that one guy who opened up 5000 champion loot boxes?

I’ve opened many more gifts than 5k…..

…and I understand what you are saying…. but I would still like to hear from someone who has opened a lot of gifts…. it just doesn’t feel right.

Idk if you have been playing since DR was a problem in this game…. but it definitely feels like DR used to feel.

laokoko.7403:

you said a few stack. Most people take it as like 3-4 stack. You are obviously lucky if you opened a few stack and get all that. Else wintersday box will be much more expensive or the mini and recipe will be much cheaper.

Unless you mean you opened 100 stack and call it a few.

I changed the wording to prevent any confusion… and no it wasn’t anywhere near that many on the first day.

Ok….. so somebody posted some numbers ….. and guess what?

His results are almost identical to my results for the good loot…. and I have definitely opened AT LEAST more than double the amount of bags he has opened.

The garbage loot scaled up with the amount of gifts I opened….. (more unsafe wintersday gifts…. bottle shaped gifts, dusty clothes, etc.)

I’m going to get a calculator and find out the exact amount here in a bit….. this is driving me nuts.

Here are my numbers on rare loot from 30 stacks (7.5k) giant gifts:

6 tonic recipes
5 mini ho ho trons
6 unbreakable choir bells
4 Endless Toymakers Tonics
3 red musical bell cases
1 festival wrapped beverage case (choice of endless toy tonic)
1 exotic aqua breather (givers stats selectable, upon others)
1×10 t6 claws
I also got essences of luck lifting my mf from 241-249%, i think.
Havent got a endless gift dolyak tonic yet, so not sure, if those are also on the loot table or just from the forge.
I also havent got a drop of recipes for light of dwayna and shadow of grenth but i think i remember from last year that they only dropped from small, medium and large gifts anyways.

Edit: I see you already found my numbers.

Wanze.8410:

Here are my numbers on rare loot from 30 stacks (7.5k) giant gifts:

6 tonic recipes
5 mini ho ho trons
6 unbreakable choir bells
4 Endless Toymakers Tonics
3 red musical bell cases
1 festival wrapped beverage case (choice of endless toy tonic)
1 exotic aqua breather (givers stats selectable, upon others)
1×10 t6 claws

Havent got a endless gift dolyak tonic yet, so not sure, if those are also on the loot table or just from the forge.
I also havent got a drop of recipes for light of dwayna and shadow of grenth but i think i remember from last year that they only dropped from small, medium and large gifts anyways.

…but did you notice a sudden decline in “good” loot during your gift opening?

Was the good loot front-loaded in your gift opening?

Did you get any of the tonic recipes, minis, etc. near the end of your gift opening?

Also did you open all of your gifts at once?

Ok i added up the total of gifts purchased and it was 6331.

I’m going to assume I opened about another two stacks or so of gifts farmed from other sources (Tixx, dailies, bell choir, JP) and say its somewhere just short of 7k

Items sold on the TP:
Toymaker Tonic 5
Tonic Recipe 4
Ho-Ho Tron 5
Red Bell Case 2
Unbreakable Choir Bell 5

Interestingly enough…. All of the unbreakable Choir bells were end-loaded. (I did not get any yesterday or the beginning of today….. and started getting them when i stopped getting the good loot)

I also did not get any tonics tonic recipes or ho-ho trons once I started getting unbreakable bells.

The only “good loot” that started dropping after the unbreakable choir bells started were the red bell case which started about the same time as the unbreakable bell.

TheBlackLeech.9360:

…but did you notice a sudden decline in “good” loot during your gift opening?

Was the good loot front-loaded in your gift opening?

Did you get any of the tonic recipes, minis, etc. near the end of your gift opening?

Also did you open all of your gifts at once?

I opened in 3 batches of 10 stacks each, then recorded my results. I had good drops front, center and back of each run.

Considering I got squat, you did ok. My drops usually suck though. They’re gonna get worse now that I hit the uninstall button.

Wanze.8410:

TheBlackLeech.9360:

…but did you notice a sudden decline in “good” loot during your gift opening?

Was the good loot front-loaded in your gift opening?

Did you get any of the tonic recipes, minis, etc. near the end of your gift opening?

Also did you open all of your gifts at once?

I opened in 3 batches of 10 stacks each, then recorded my results. I had good drops front, center and back of each run.

Thanks for corresponding.

If you don’t mind me asking how long of a break did you take between each batch?

TheBlackLeech.9360:

Wanze.8410:

TheBlackLeech.9360:

…but did you notice a sudden decline in “good” loot during your gift opening?

Was the good loot front-loaded in your gift opening?

Did you get any of the tonic recipes, minis, etc. near the end of your gift opening?

Also did you open all of your gifts at once?

I opened in 3 batches of 10 stacks each, then recorded my results. I had good drops front, center and back of each run.

Thanks for corresponding.

If you don’t mind me asking how long of a break did you take between each batch?

Between 30-60 min.
Anyways, Anet employees stated several times what exactly is suspicable to DR and containers arent included. It also wouldnt serve a purpose either.
You only hit a hot or cold streak on the rng train.
I recorded more than 400k opened containers (for personal use) since launch, usually in batches between 1-10k and i think there lies your problem. If you choose too small sample sizes, your perceived quality of the average loot table might be hightened, if you hit a lucky streak at the start.

Wanze.8410:

TheBlackLeech.9360:

Wanze.8410:

TheBlackLeech.9360:

…but did you notice a sudden decline in “good” loot during your gift opening?

Was the good loot front-loaded in your gift opening?

Did you get any of the tonic recipes, minis, etc. near the end of your gift opening?

Also did you open all of your gifts at once?

I opened in 3 batches of 10 stacks each, then recorded my results. I had good drops front, center and back of each run.

Thanks for corresponding.

If you don’t mind me asking how long of a break did you take between each batch?

Between 30-60 min.
Anyways, Anet employees stated several times what exactly is suspicable to DR and containers arent included. It also wouldnt serve a purpose either.
You only hit a hot or cold streak on the rng train.
I recorded more than 400k opened containers (for personal use) since launch, usually in batches between 1-10k and i think there lies your problem. If you choose too small sample sizes, your perceived quality of the average loot table might be hightened, if you hit a lucky streak at the start.

Part of me wants to believe that its just a cold streak…. but part of me still wants to believe otherwise.

You’ve made me lean more toward poor luck and RNG more than DR.
Anyway thanks for sharing your results.

…and I still encourage others to post your gift loot tables!

TheBlackLeech.9360:

Wanze.8410:

TheBlackLeech.9360:

Wanze.8410:

TheBlackLeech.9360:

…but did you notice a sudden decline in “good” loot during your gift opening?

Was the good loot front-loaded in your gift opening?

Did you get any of the tonic recipes, minis, etc. near the end of your gift opening?

Also did you open all of your gifts at once?

I opened in 3 batches of 10 stacks each, then recorded my results. I had good drops front, center and back of each run.

Thanks for corresponding.

If you don’t mind me asking how long of a break did you take between each batch?

Between 30-60 min.
Anyways, Anet employees stated several times what exactly is suspicable to DR and containers arent included. It also wouldnt serve a purpose either.
You only hit a hot or cold streak on the rng train.
I recorded more than 400k opened containers (for personal use) since launch, usually in batches between 1-10k and i think there lies your problem. If you choose too small sample sizes, your perceived quality of the average loot table might be hightened, if you hit a lucky streak at the start.

Part of me wants to believe that its just a cold streak…. but part of me still wants to believe otherwise.

You’ve made me lean more toward poor luck and RNG more than DR.
Anyway thanks for sharing your results.

…and I still encourage others to post your gift loot tables!

Right now, i wouldnt advice to open wintersday gifts for profit anyways because prices are rapidly falling.