Guild Wars 2

Give alternatives to the champ trains.

That simple.

So the farmers can farm? Eh?

Sirendor.1394:

So the farmers can farm? Eh?

Yes, why does everyone condemn this…..?

Farming is part of the game.

If most things in game actually gave you somewhat equal profit there wouldn’t really be “farming”, you’d just be playing the game and progressing towards your chosen goals.

People need to stop being afraid of money. Even IRL people are afraid of money. Money is just a tool to get the things you need/want.

Knote.2904:

Sirendor.1394:

So the farmers can farm? Eh?

Yes, why does everyone condemn this…..?

Farming is part of the game.

If most things in game actually gave you somewhat equal profit there wouldn’t really be “farming”, you’d just be playing the game and progressing towards your chosen goals.

like it should be

and how singleplayer RPG games play.

We have tons of “alternatives”.

People is just to lazy to move their sorry kitten s from Queensdale/FS -_-

From one passenger to another, I hope you will accept the fact they’re eventually going to find a way to nerf the train. I don’t know how or when, but it’s going to happen. It’s popular, probably not intended, and there are some people actively against it.

They’ll nerf it into oblivion, tell us why we should be thankful, give us an “alternative,” and no one will farm champions anymore.

Babychoochoo.5690:

From one passenger to another, I hope you will accept the fact they’ve eventually going to find a way to nerf the train. I don’t know or when, but it’s going to happen. It’s popular, probably not intended, and there some people actively against it.

They’ll nerf it into oblivion, tell us why we should be thankful, give us an “alternative,” and no one will farm champions anymore.

Yes, this is how Anet has done things, really stupid.

They just REPLACE the single farm options with another and repeat…..

Dungeons are great alternatives for champ trains. AC gives you around 6-7g if you do every path, then you can use the tokens to buy cheap weapons and salvage them for ectos and soldiers inscriptions(around 3g on TP at the moment, i think), and CoF is just fast and easy money, as always.

Im not really in to nerfing the champ trains, but what i would like to see Anet do, is to randomize the champion spawns, so that it would no longer be as linear as it is now.
By that, i mean they should have various spawn times, maybe allow the champions to move around more so that you dont always see them in the same place.

Of course it would make it slower, but i would find it more interesting, that you (and others in the train) need to figure out where the champ is, the champions would always spawn in the same general area, but not always in the same spot.

Knote.2904:

If most things in game actually gave you somewhat equal profit there wouldn’t really be “farming”, you’d just be playing the game and progressing towards your chosen goals.

Yup, this exactly. I would LOVE to spend 2-3 hours at night running a couple of dungeon paths, but if I do, I’ll make maybe 6 gold. If I spend the same amount of time gathering T6 mats on a bunch of my 80s, I make 30g. I realize that for some people, making gold isn’t the same as having fun. For me, atm, working toward a goal is having fun, and my goal requires gold.

Andrax.4576:

Dungeons are great alternatives for champ trains. AC gives you around 6-7g if you do every path, then you can use the tokens to buy cheap weapons and salvage them for ectos and soldiers inscriptions(around 3g on TP at the moment, i think), and CoF is just fast and easy money, as always.

Im not really in to nerfing the champ trains, but what i would like to see Anet do, is to randomize the champion spawns, so that it would no longer be as linear as it is now.
By that, i mean they should have various spawn times, maybe allow the champions to move around more so that you dont always see them in the same place.

Of course it would make it slower, but i would find it more interesting, that you (and others in the train) need to figure out where the champ is, the champions would always spawn in the same general area, but not always in the same spot.

As interesting as that might or might not be, what we’re more likely to get is the easy change of adjusting the respawn timer, rather than the more complex change of varying spawn points. Leave the train as is.

Leave the train alone. The last thing I want is farming to go back to dungeons.

Yenn.9185:

Leave the train alone. The last thing I want is farming to go back to dungeons.

This…

I don’t want to rely on others to be able to make money. Champtrains are fine as they are, even with the occasional idiots they are mostly a friendly bunch on my server.

Why do people want to stop the Champion farm trains? While I don’t run with them, I see no point in condemning them for playing that way if they want. I’ll just keep playing my way and leave them be.

Personally I love the casual nature of champ trains, they are friendly and give chance for social interactions in between. I go to FGC and in between bosses we usually have a 1 minute wait. We play mini games, we talk abut the most random stuff you can think of, a good chance to test damage agaisnt enemy fully debuffed and you having some nice buffs.

I can get in and out whenever I want, I dont depend on being stuck with a random elitist group of players.

is it fun? No, it is boring, yes. Do I want to do it? No. Do I need to do it? No. Do I need gold? Yes, yes I do. Everything in this game is base don gold and mats and currently this is probably the best and most reliable way of doing so.

What I dont get is; if they are not bothering you, why must you bother them?! I understand the gold inflation thing and I hate it as much as you do, in fact i really REALLY hate it since Im trying to play catch up with people but gold keeps decreasing in value everyday. But I dont have any other alternative. I like dungeon, I do AC and CoE and CoF, but I also want legendaries, and I already spent too much gathered mats into attempting on MF with no luck, so now I need gold, and need it fast.

Give me options, give options to people who want to spend time and get something out it. I still buy stuff on the gem store with $$, so the answer is not limit our options.

I dont want gold, I want what I now can only get with gold, so either give me the options to get it how I want to play or bite it and let me farm

Remove the grinding aspects of GW2 things like Champtrains disappear.

To blame the mice in the maze, blame them maze designers.

MrDmajor.7084:

Remove the grinding aspects of GW2 things like Champtrains disappear.

To blame the mice in the maze, blame them maze designers.

That will just make the grind worse…..

You eliminate “grind” by offering more options, not reducing them…

Something is only a “grind” when it’s boring and you don’t enjoy it.

If I could “farm gold” doing Activity A, then go farm gold doing Activity B, then go farm gold doing Activity C, and so on, it’s not boring.

Just like leveling doing Activity A, leveling doing Activity B, then leveling doing Activity C….

It’s less boring than the only good way to do those things is with a single Activity.

Imagine if Anet made a little area like Labrynth or Gauntlet that just had non stop champs spawning and it was the ONLY place to farm gold/items/xp, everywhere else was nerfed to give almost NONE of those things…. imagine how fun that would be.

Now imagine if almost everything in game made you profit within 10% of each other. You could just do ANYthing you felt like and you would “make money”. There would still be efficient ways to make money if that was your 100% sole purpose yes, but it wouldn’t be so extreme..

Here’s a quick suggestion : Idle Bonuses for Dynamic Events, the longer a Dynamic Event is idle/ignored, the more of a bonus to rewards it gives, up to like 300% cap.

Do the same with champ mobs perhaps as well and nerf them slightly.

Yes, keep bringing up rewards to match the current highest g/h activity.

As if my gold hasn’t been devalued enough.

Let all that stuff in, just give people that want real content some real content. And I am not talking about the abyssmal LS.

Give us some new playfield, some new real story missions (you know, where players are in the cutscenes and feel like a part of it) or at least some new DE’s. And fix Tequatl, we do not need more deserted places in the open world.

If Item A requires a ridiculous amount of Item B (that is minimally rewarded through various tasks) humans will find the easiest and fastest path to collect Item B.

Humans trying to find the easiest and fastest path is not the problem, it is the symptom. It’s human nature. The requirements for Item A needs to be changed to curb the behavior.

Knote.2904:

Babychoochoo.5690:

From one passenger to another, I hope you will accept the fact they’ve eventually going to find a way to nerf the train. I don’t know or when, but it’s going to happen. It’s popular, probably not intended, and there some people actively against it.

They’ll nerf it into oblivion, tell us why we should be thankful, give us an “alternative,” and no one will farm champions anymore.

Yes, this is how Anet has done things, really stupid.

They just REPLACE the single farm options with another and repeat…..

It often isn’t ‘replaced’ by Anet intentionally, but its players either finding an exploit in the system (champ trains) so that the content functions in a whole different way than intended and gives them unintentional amounts of cash, or its simply the most efficient way to make money (like CoF P1) which will always exist in any game because you cannot perfectly balance rewards.

Knote.2904:

MrDmajor.7084:

Remove the grinding aspects of GW2 things like Champtrains disappear.

To blame the mice in the maze, blame them maze designers.

That will just make the grind worse…..

You eliminate “grind” by offering more options, not reducing them…

Something is only a “grind” when it’s boring and you don’t enjoy it.

If I could “farm gold” doing Activity A, then go farm gold doing Activity B, then go farm gold doing Activity C, and so on, it’s not boring.

Just like leveling doing Activity A, leveling doing Activity B, then leveling doing Activity C….

It’s less boring than the only good way to do those things is with a single Activity.

Imagine if Anet made a little area like Labrynth or Gauntlet that just had non stop champs spawning and it was the ONLY place to farm gold/items/xp, everywhere else was nerfed to give almost NONE of those things…. imagine how fun that would be.

Now imagine if almost everything in game made you profit within 10% of each other. You could just do ANYthing you felt like and you would “make money”. There would still be efficient ways to make money if that was your 100% sole purpose yes, but it wouldn’t be so extreme..

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Here’s a quick suggestion : Idle Bonuses for Dynamic Events, the longer a Dynamic Event is idle/ignored, the more of a bonus to rewards it gives, up to like 300% cap.

Do the same with champ mobs perhaps as well and nerf them slightly.

I believe the poster you quoted was talking about removing the reasons to grind, not the options. The part about the mice was the giveaway.

Farming should require some brain input. This one does not.

These are zerg sized groups tackling group content (open world champions) for fast loot. Something will be rescaled to fix this eventually.

Taku.6352:

Yenn.9185:

Leave the train alone. The last thing I want is farming to go back to dungeons.

This…

I don’t want to rely on others to be able to make money. Champtrains are fine as they are, even with the occasional idiots they are mostly a friendly bunch on my server.

Aren’t you relying on others now? Or do you solo all the champs?

I believe the champ trains were a good compromise for the punishing diminishing returns on everything else because of all the bots,I my self have never seen a bot in a champ train because of the way the champs are currently set up.
People who wish to farm should be allowed to maximize the time they have to play to get the things they wish to work for with out spending every waking hour in game.

I hope that they will make the new ascended mats for armor available from DE with some severe diminishing returns on farming a single zone over and over again. So many hilarious, interesting events are going to waste right now…

Make all zones with world events have a champ train. Something to do while waiting.