Guild Wars 2

DoctorDing.5890:

The only reason anyone wants to duel in open world PVE is so they can show off and boost their ego.
And that’s the same reason that they will then use map chat to boast of their skills/leetness, and then the (sore) loser will respond/react, and then random players will ask them both to take their argument to PMs which, of course, they will not do. Result: salty map chat all round. Abuse, Mom insults, homophobic insults etc etc.

Then there is the scenario where one player is using map chat to try to provoke someone into accepting a duel.

It’s all about ego. I’ve seen it in other games and it’s always ugly.

So no thanks.

You guys bring up how well knit the community is yet you ignore any opinion that’s not your own. So I’m going to fight back by politely bringing up all the good points that have been made, and showing that more then just I am interested in dueling. And again this is coming from a non duelist like I’ve said before. I want to see something going on in the cities!

1. Duel requests
People don’t want to duel and don’t want to be spammed by duel requests. I also don’t want to be spammed by duel requests as I only want to watch. I have no fear, however, because there is 0 chance there wouldn’t be a toggle for duel requests. I also think the toggle should be defaulted to don’t receive duel requests as it only makes sense.

If people are arguing that it’s not spam of duel requests they are fearful of, but spam in map chat I truly don’t understand. Blocking players will keep them out of your chat and they can’t send you duel requests if you have it off by default. So if anything it’s a handy filter for not having to deal with player’s that don’t share your interests.

2. You can duel, but can’t, but you can duel, but you can’t, but you can duel

There is no interest in a dueling feature, because people aren’t seen doing it in guild halls.

:/

How would people ever find out unless a streamer does it? It’s instanced you can no longer look for people if you go back to your guild hall with people. Also the guild would have to be progressed that far, it’s not an easy thing to do for everyone who is interested.

Just go to WvW. WvW goes on in WvW. Duelers don’t want to bother them, and don’t want to be griefed. This does not mean “Oh so it’s ok to bother the PvE people by putting PvP in their game?” How is this “PvP” changing your PvE? If you mean bothering people trying to do a meta like Octovine or anything similar I completely agree. They should not be able to duel there, because people will be trying to get others into a map to do semi hard content. That’s why I keep saying to only allow duels in cities and in lobbies to start with.

I’m also not opposed to there being a invisible barrier at banks, trading posts, mystic forges and the like to keep people from starting a duel there. I want to watch dueling. I don’t want to force other to watch dueling. To further this point role playing is a thing. There are obnoxious role players who attempt to make a victim scenario where they are just peacefully trying to role play and people are bothering them. Except the medium they are trying to role play in is map chat. So they’re definitely in the wrong, but you can’t say all role players are like that.

So why are you saying guild wars duelers will be so toxic? They haven’t even existed yet, are they not apart of this lovely community? You even went and made a forum to make what we’re asking for sound ridiculous, and most of you commented on it.

3. Balance
No balancing will be done for dueling. It’s just how it’ll be and everyone for it seems to understand that.

Technically speaking, you can now duel in PvE. If you’re part of a guild with a guild arena, you can 1vs1 in there with your gear as it is.

It is perhaps not the most ideal solution, but at least it’s better than what we had before (which is nothing).

MoarChaos.8320:

DoctorDing.5890:

The only reason anyone wants to duel in open world PVE is so they can show off and boost their ego.
And that’s the same reason that they will then use map chat to boast of their skills/leetness, and then the (sore) loser will respond/react, and then random players will ask them both to take their argument to PMs which, of course, they will not do. Result: salty map chat all round. Abuse, Mom insults, homophobic insults etc etc.

Then there is the scenario where one player is using map chat to try to provoke someone into accepting a duel.

It’s all about ego. I’ve seen it in other games and it’s always ugly.

So no thanks.

You guys bring up how well knit the community is yet you ignore any opinion that’s not your own. So I’m going to fight back by politely bringing up all the good points that have been made, and showing that more then just I am interested in dueling. And again this is coming from a non duelist like I’ve said before. I want to see something going on in the cities!

1. Duel requests
People don’t want to duel and don’t want to be spammed by duel requests. I also don’t want to be spammed by duel requests as I only want to watch. I have no fear, however, because there is 0 chance there wouldn’t be a toggle for duel requests. I also think the toggle should be defaulted to don’t receive duel requests as it only makes sense.

If people are arguing that it’s not spam of duel requests they are fearful of, but spam in map chat I truly don’t understand. Blocking players will keep them out of your chat and they can’t send you duel requests if you have it off by default. So if anything it’s a handy filter for not having to deal with player’s that don’t share your interests.

2. You can duel, but can’t, but you can duel, but you can’t, but you can duel

There is no interest in a dueling feature, because people aren’t seen doing it in guild halls.

:/

How would people ever find out unless a streamer does it? It’s instanced you can no longer look for people if you go back to your guild hall with people. Also the guild would have to be progressed that far, it’s not an easy thing to do for everyone who is interested.

Just go to WvW. WvW goes on in WvW. Duelers don’t want to bother them, and don’t want to be griefed. This does not mean “Oh so it’s ok to bother the PvE people by putting PvP in their game?” How is this “PvP” changing your PvE? If you mean bothering people trying to do a meta like Octovine or anything similar I completely agree. They should not be able to duel there, because people will be trying to get others into a map to do semi hard content. That’s why I keep saying to only allow duels in cities and in lobbies to start with.

I’m also not opposed to there being a invisible barrier at banks, trading posts, mystic forges and the like to keep people from starting a duel there. I want to watch dueling. I don’t want to force other to watch dueling. To further this point role playing is a thing. There are obnoxious role players who attempt to make a victim scenario where they are just peacefully trying to role play and people are bothering them. Except the medium they are trying to role play in is map chat. So they’re definitely in the wrong, but you can’t say all role players are like that.

So why are you saying guild wars duelers will be so toxic? They haven’t even existed yet, are they not apart of this lovely community? You even went and made a forum to make what we’re asking for sound ridiculous, and most of you commented on it.

3. Balance
No balancing will be done for dueling. It’s just how it’ll be and everyone for it seems to understand that.

The only way to her dueling in PvE is to get more than the same 5 people ask for dueling in PvE. And then it will probably not happen. Just look at the size of the Cantha mega thread, everything canthan has been wiped from the face of the game near enough.

In truth, it boils down to people who duel wanting an audience. That is the truth, that’s why ever option we have all ready is not good enough for them, that means in truth, its about ego more than being able to do it. If it was just being able to duel, there are options, people could ask for more sure, but all I see so far is, I want a captive audience, I want every one to see how great I am, when in fact most people in PvE are there to play together, not fight it out. There is PvP/WvW and now guild hall’s for those that do.

BrotherBelial.3094:

In truth, it boils down to people who duel wanting an audience. That is the truth, that’s why ever option we have all ready is not good enough for them, that means in truth, its about ego more than being able to do it.

Maybe for a few. Not for most. It’s about convenience, the same force that drives 99% of the feature requests we see on these boards.

MoarChaos.8320:

You guys bring up how well knit the community is yet you ignore any opinion that’s not your own. So I’m going to fight back by politely bringing up all the good points that have been made, and showing that more then just I am interested in dueling. And again this is coming from a non duelist like I’ve said before. I want to see something going on in the cities!

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I respect your desire for duels. I also respect your right to request duels. But this may be a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

You do realize that many people have the same desire to NOT want dueling. It is as valid as your desire to have it. Maybe some of them are not as polite as they should be in expressing this, but that is life.

If they were truly ignoring your opinion, they wouldn’t have said anything in the first place.

I personally don’t want to see duels out in the open world. I don’t want to run through a zone and seeing people fighting every 10 feet.

I am a PvE’er because I enjoy mutual cooperation in events, looking at different biomes, and enjoying an environment free of player versus player battles.

While you may want it for convenience and other reasons, there are many, like myself, who don’t want to see duels for legitimate reasons as well.

IndigoSundown.5419:

BrotherBelial.3094:

In truth, it boils down to people who duel wanting an audience. That is the truth, that’s why ever option we have all ready is not good enough for them, that means in truth, its about ego more than being able to do it.

Maybe for a few. Not for most. It’s about convenience, the same force that drives 99% of the feature requests we see on these boards.

How are there not convenient means to duel? There are loads of empty hot join maps, you can just drop into and duel away. If you have access to a guild hall with an arena go there and duel, you have the OS arena that I’ve seen a few people use for duelling. I only know about the place by accident as I wanted to know where the tunnel went. I really don’t see how these options are not convenient. Please tell me what is wrong with them?

BrotherBelial.3094:

IndigoSundown.5419:

BrotherBelial.3094:

In truth, it boils down to people who duel wanting an audience. That is the truth, that’s why ever option we have all ready is not good enough for them, that means in truth, its about ego more than being able to do it.

Maybe for a few. Not for most. It’s about convenience, the same force that drives 99% of the feature requests we see on these boards.

How are there not convenient means to duel? There are loads of empty hot join maps, you can just drop into and duel away. If you have access to a guild hall with an arena go there and duel, you have the OS arena that I’ve seen a few people use for duelling. I only know about the place by accident as I wanted to know where the tunnel went. I really don’t see how these options are not convenient. Please tell me what is wrong with them?

he might have a pt tho. if he was waiting on dragon stand meta event, or even AB event to start, and he leaves for the guild hall or the hotjoins, then he will lose his place in that meta map. maybe he was thinking if he and/or his friend could just join the map, and while waiting for the meta to get started, hop away from everyone and just duel it out for 5 or 10 mins, then go tothe meta when it starts.

i mean, he can’t currently do that i don’t think, right?

Jaxom.7310:

BrotherBelial.3094:

IndigoSundown.5419:

BrotherBelial.3094:

In truth, it boils down to people who duel wanting an audience. That is the truth, that’s why ever option we have all ready is not good enough for them, that means in truth, its about ego more than being able to do it.

Maybe for a few. Not for most. It’s about convenience, the same force that drives 99% of the feature requests we see on these boards.

How are there not convenient means to duel? There are loads of empty hot join maps, you can just drop into and duel away. If you have access to a guild hall with an arena go there and duel, you have the OS arena that I’ve seen a few people use for duelling. I only know about the place by accident as I wanted to know where the tunnel went. I really don’t see how these options are not convenient. Please tell me what is wrong with them?

he might have a pt tho. if he was waiting on dragon stand meta event, or even AB event to start, and he leaves for the guild hall or the hotjoins, then he will lose his place in that meta map. maybe he was thinking if he and/or his friend could just join the map, and while waiting for the meta to get started, hop away from everyone and just duel it out for 5 or 10 mins, then go tothe meta when it starts.

i mean, he can’t currently do that i don’t think, right?

But there are events leading right up to the start of AB, as for DS, normally the time waiting for the meta to start is taken up by organising who is in what leading what, and who needs more people. That’s always been my experience of DS anyway. I can see your point, but I think of you are in to duelling, then your not going to be duelling while your waiting for an event to pop.

Almost nobody wants to run around dueling in their pve gear and builds. Go to spvp, wvw, os and guild halls to face off against competitive players with the proper gear and builds…

We don’t need to annoy pveers all because someone can’t handle dueling with zergs around or won’t use the other areas designed for pvp combat.

Edit- This is a completely selfish request considering the devs have already provided multiple places for pvp combat to occur.

BrotherBelial.3094:

How are there not convenient means to duel? There are loads of empty hot join maps, you can just drop into and duel away. If you have access to a guild hall with an arena go there and duel, you have the OS arena that I’ve seen a few people use for duelling. I only know about the place by accident as I wanted to know where the tunnel went. I really don’t see how these options are not convenient. Please tell me what is wrong with them?

In other games I’ve played, dueling is overwhelmingly utilized either:

• in specific locations (e.g., right outside a city). This allowed for a possible infusion of new blood or serendipitous dueling as people wandered by. It made dueling more accessible. The current iterations (custom arenas and halls) lack the accessibility of player-selected locations. Both are out of sight, requiring greater effort to go where duels are possible. This cannot help but limit usage.
• at locations where players were waiting for something to happen (e.g., while waiting for a raid party to form). This made dueling a convenient pastime. While 2 guild members would be able to port to the hall to duel, anyone not in that guild would have to travel to a HoT map to get in. The lack of convenience is also going to limit usage.

To add, Jaxom’s response about losing a spot in a map is well taken. Beyond just DS, there’s waiting for world bosses, waiting for a dungeon group to form; waiting for guild members to congregate for missions, waiting for people to come for HC’s in HoT maps. Tucking dueling away as it is very much limits spontaneity, which is a big part of why the feature sees a lot of usage in other games. It also limits duel possibilities. There are a lot of players who might duel were the option available during the normal run of their play, who would never bother going where duels are available now. Out of the way is out of the way.

IndigoSundown.5419:

BrotherBelial.3094:

How are there not convenient means to duel? There are loads of empty hot join maps, you can just drop into and duel away. If you have access to a guild hall with an arena go there and duel, you have the OS arena that I’ve seen a few people use for duelling. I only know about the place by accident as I wanted to know where the tunnel went. I really don’t see how these options are not convenient. Please tell me what is wrong with them?

In other games I’ve played, dueling is overwhelmingly utilized either:

• in specific locations (e.g., right outside a city). This allowed for a possible infusion of new blood or serendipitous dueling as people wandered by. It made dueling more accessible. The current iterations (custom arenas and halls) lack the accessibility of player-selected locations. Both are out of sight, requiring greater effort to go where duels are possible. This cannot help but limit usage.
• at locations where players were waiting for something to happen (e.g., while waiting for a raid party to form). This made dueling a convenient pastime. While 2 guild members would be able to port to the hall to duel, anyone not in that guild would have to travel to a HoT map to get in. The lack of convenience is also going to limit usage.

To add, Jaxom’s response about losing a spot in a map is well taken. Beyond just DS, there’s waiting for world bosses, waiting for a dungeon group to form; waiting for guild members to congregate for missions, waiting for people to come for HC’s in HoT maps. Tucking dueling away as it is very much limits spontaneity, which is a big part of why the feature sees a lot of usage in other games. It also limits duel possibilities. There are a lot of players who might duel were the option available during the normal run of their play, who would never bother going where duels are available now. Out of the way is out of the way.

So basically, you want to have your cake and eat it. So you want to do PvE and PvP when ever the mood takes you, but you want it on your terms. Am I right? What you are basically asking for is WvW with meta events, but be able to turn off the PvP when you feel like it.

I’ve not seen a single good enough reason to spend time and effort on this. It is still hoping down to, other games have it, why can’t we. I think there are more people who would rather see a true GvG than duelling. I might be alone in this view, but id rather we keep the game modes away from each other. I see no real benefit to the game, or to ANets pocket.