Guild Wars 2

guildwarrior.6304:

As happy as I am about the patch, I can’t help but feel after so much hard work and labor we’ve gone through, it’s now just being handed out to everyone on a silver platter. So much gold, gems, time spent and now it’s being given out for free. Thanks though?

It shouldn’t matter how we earned stuff in the past. If it’s imbalanced to make things too annoying for to many, then shouldn’t they change it so it’s easier? (Similarly, if it’s too easy for too many people, then shouldn’t they make it harder?) We know that ANet makes mistakes; it’s important that they be able to rebalance.

One of the things that O’Brien & Smith have said recently is that some people are really good at increasing wealth and some aren’t. These recent changes will be a bigger benefit to the 90% than they are to the 10%: tiny fractional increase for the few and large for the many.

Even so, I wish they handed it out on a silver platter (because I would flip that on the TP for even more coin).

Mine comes on a copper platter. Tells me to buy the silver platter from the gem store. :/

Mo Mo.1947:

Zoltar MacRoth.7146:

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

Well, if you aren’t among the Chosen, you get nothing.

I will not buy HoT. I guess I’m invisible and unworthy of any future consideration.

Doesn’t matter that I’ve bought gem cards worth far more than the cost of that sorry, single demographic, feature sized “expansion”.

Why won’t you buy HoT? Just curious.

Lol because THEY want everything handed to THEM on a silver platter. OP wants everything free after 3 years of having everything free. OP got what they paid for but wants more and more now. :/

OP like many other people on the planet at this point are just looking for the next thing to satisfy their craving for negative emotion, while forgetting to balance anything in their life.

My complaint is that it was not handed out on a purple platter. I demand more purple platters.

Zedek.8932:

The main reason why I quitted FF14 and went over here was because Square Enix did this every patch. Nerfing everything and giving it for almost free (if continuos player) or free (for re-subscribing). I think doing it once is fine.

I haven’t used a single level up item (forgot the name), all levels are done by wandering around and shooting, burning and poisoning foes. Squeenix pushes people into engame, neglecting the joy of character development and then you got a bunch of high-level noobs (in this case newbs/noobs) in endgame.

A video game is like a good cigar. Slowly and enjoyable. Not skipping to the end.

Is the cigar less enjoyable if your nice friend gives it to you and shares with you and you pay nothing?

Cigars produce cancer and smell awful. Free cigars are disgusting too.

I had to walk up hill both ways, in the snow, barefoot… Oh never mind, I just can’t muster enough sarcasm to respond to this topic appropriately.

Dav.9152:

Wait, where’s my silver platter?

And if one doesn’t want their silver platter you can email me yours.

*Good thing it wasn’t a orichalcum platter, the horror.

Bomber.3872:

Teon.5168:

Celtic Lady.3729:

guildwarrior.6304:

As happy as I am about the patch, I can’t help but feel after so much hard work and labor we’ve gone through, it’s now just being handed out to everyone on a silver platter. So much gold, gems, time spent and now it’s being given out for free. Thanks though?

I don’t understand what you think is so unfair. We got a free shared slot and we got a free level 80 booster along with some minor goodies. It’s not like they’ve given all HoT purchasers a free precursor or something. The freebies are nice, but they’re hardly game-breaking.

Completely agree. But there will always be players that whine about others not having to do what they did.

This is the nature of the beast. Older mmorpgs have to do this to stay relevant.

Totally agree! Usually I criticize the game or patches a lot, but this time it’s just awesome! I don’t understand how anyone could see anything bad with this patch.

Looking around the threads since patch there is really not a single thread with shows any issue with this patch. (Well there are some elitists crying for no reason, but thats all^^)

Thats not the reason they are complaining there are quite a few reasons, one is some people will not learn how to play the game and class and you will end up with pugs and people who have no idea what they are doing and constantly wipe the group, well see what you say in a few weeks from now before you say people are crying.

The other reason is it ruins the sense of progression why play an rpg if your not going to play play the game? However people are right it does help promote more players but it doesnt mean the quality of those players will be any good hopefully they will learn before they pug. And I can understand after you played the content several times as well.

So in otherwords its better to promote players then the cons of this instant level 80, I cant be mad at anet for doing what they needed to get new players. But at the same time you cant be mad at people for seeing the cons of this as well.

I leveled two characters from 1 to 80 using crafting. A free level 80 doesn’t mean anything. If your complaining about this you should add tomes of knowledge on there too. I can level two level 80’s and so can just about everyone else that play regularly.

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

Zoltar MacRoth.7146:

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

Well, if you aren’t among the Chosen, you get nothing.

I will not buy HoT. I guess I’m invisible and unworthy of any future consideration.

Doesn’t matter that I’ve bought gem cards worth far more than the cost of that sorry, single demographic, feature sized “expansion”.

Why won’t you buy HoT? Just curious.

Simple. I am disabled and play with only my right hand and a single usable digit on my left. Why buy a nightmare? Sadly, platforming and vertical have become the norm, and not an interesting option for those who enjoy that. Single demographic. If you can’t/don’t like platforming, go away.

I can play Core, even though I am gated from an increasing number of options/achievements there, I can’t even enter Dry Top in spite of hours spent attempting it before giving up. And no, I refuse to be “carried”, If I cannot do content myself, I won’t.

Although I did raid in WoW, Everquest, AoC and EQ2, I am too slow and imprecise to do group content now, I cannot carry my weight. I solo in Core. I do have 8k ap and rank 250 in wvw, not much, but I try. AP comes very slowly now. I have 13 80’s and now a 52, I bought another slot again because leveling a char is something to do.

I play core because there is still an option on how I can play. I watched hours of HoT footage, and there is simply no options for me there.

I’m sorry to hear that, Teofa. If you’d like some help with AP or jps, I’d be happy to help out with my mes. On the subject of HOT though, we should distinguish between the jungle maps and everything else. HOT also brings gliding to core, which makes for a lot of fun. It also brings legendary collections which slowly fill up just by doing a lot of normal things, like harvesting some plants. And there’s masteries which, even in core, provide useful things like auto-looting, faster running in cities and faster revive. And there’s the elite specs. Even if you don’t go into the jungle maps, there’s value in looking at buying HOT. But in terms of jungle maps, you should try Dragons Stand. It doesn’t require any fancy jumping, except for a bit of flying at the end, and it’s big-group content where you wouldn’t feel carried and still be able to participate with whatever you’re able to do. All the best to you.

Mo Mo.1947:

Lol because THEY want everything handed to THEM on a silver platter. OP wants everything free after 3 years of having everything free. OP got what they paid for but wants more and more now. :/

It’s a little more complicated than that. See OP’s explanation above.

Um, what?

An instant Lv80 item (albeit one from buying HoT) does not hand everything else in the game on a silver platter…if anything, I’m more troubled that those using it will likely be new players and thus not know what’s going on yet.

That aside…most who bought the expansion are probably people who have played GW2 already to the point of reaching 80 at least once, and thus giving them an instant 80 item doesn’t give them anything more than that.

Unless this instant 80 item also gives out a free full exotic set of your choice of stats or something, I do not see how this really hands out anything on a silver platter, besides saving you time leveling up.

Yes, Anet is handing out too much on a silver plattern catering to the instant gratification crowd of lazy casuals. The golden age of MMORPGs seems to be over thanks to instant gratification crowd.
If it would just be this lvl 80 boost I would not care, but the free hand outs are everywhere in GW2 and it seems to get more and more as the game matures.

Malediktus.9250:

Yes, Anet is handing out too much on a silver plattern catering to the instant gratification crowd of lazy casuals. The golden age of MMORPGs seems to be over thanks to instant gratification crowd.
If it would just be this lvl 80 boost I would not care, but the free hand outs are everywhere in GW2 and it seems to get more and more as the game matures.

Have you considered building a wall to keep us filthy, lazy casuals out? Cause we’re all looters and pillagers you know, and love touching your shinies.

guildwarrior.6304:

after so much hard work and labor

Hard work and labor?

You’re in the wrong place. Guild Wars has never been about hard work and labor. It has been about fun. That has been the core principle since GW1. Even back then many WoWers and classical MMORPG lovers complained there’s not enough grind, I mean, work and hard labor. That’s why Nightfall (and EotN even more) had so much more grind with all those points, because ANet wanted to please that crowd.

Hard work and labor, seriously, get a job, stop playing games.

Malediktus.9250:

Yes, Anet is handing out too much on a silver plattern catering to the instant gratification crowd of lazy casuals. The golden age of MMORPGs seems to be over thanks to instant gratification crowd.
If it would just be this lvl 80 boost I would not care, but the free hand outs are everywhere in GW2 and it seems to get more and more as the game matures.

Being a casual player is not the same as being a lazy player.

Zoltar MacRoth.7146:

Malediktus.9250:

Yes, Anet is handing out too much on a silver plattern catering to the instant gratification crowd of lazy casuals. The golden age of MMORPGs seems to be over thanks to instant gratification crowd.
If it would just be this lvl 80 boost I would not care, but the free hand outs are everywhere in GW2 and it seems to get more and more as the game matures.

Have you considered building a wall to keep us filthy, lazy casuals out? Cause we’re all looters and pillagers you know, and love touching your shinies.

That sounds like a good idea, anet should start a gofundme so we can raise funds for the wall

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

ziggystardust.3721:

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

Well, if you aren’t among the Chosen, you get nothing.

I will not buy HoT. I guess I’m invisible and unworthy of any future consideration.

Doesn’t matter that I’ve bought gem cards worth far more than the cost of that sorry, single demographic, feature sized “expansion”.

So you want to play full game by not buying it? That’s like playing old fifa and complaining of not having same advantages as those who playing new one. I said before…free to play is bad for games.

I am not FTP. FTP can’t post, eh? Whatever.

Yep, some of us can post and have not purchased HoT, I assume because we are purchased original game at launch so we aren’t classified as F2P.

I don’t have HoT, probably never will. I can’t play the game as a level 80, I quite literally do not have the player skill to do so (yes I have tried). I play Core only, what I can of it.

I’m not upset about the new free level 80 promo. I figure if I can’t make it to 80 on my own I should not “cheat” my way there. Besides… no one wants a player in their guild that just got to 80 the easy way even though they couldn’t make it to 80 the normal way. Not fair to those Players who have made it to 80.

So enjoy your new level 80s and the goodies and hopefully the changes are good ones for the Hots Maps. Have fun.

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

Zoltar MacRoth.7146:

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

Well, if you aren’t among the Chosen, you get nothing.

I will not buy HoT. I guess I’m invisible and unworthy of any future consideration.

Doesn’t matter that I’ve bought gem cards worth far more than the cost of that sorry, single demographic, feature sized “expansion”.

Why won’t you buy HoT? Just curious.

Simple. I am disabled and play with only my right hand and a single usable digit on my left. Why buy a nightmare? Sadly, platforming and vertical have become the norm, and not an interesting option for those who enjoy that. Single demographic. If you can’t/don’t like platforming, go away.

I can play Core, even though I am gated from an increasing number of options/achievements there, I can’t even enter Dry Top in spite of hours spent attempting it before giving up. And no, I refuse to be “carried”, If I cannot do content myself, I won’t.

Although I did raid in WoW, Everquest, AoC and EQ2, I am too slow and imprecise to do group content now, I cannot carry my weight. I solo in Core. I do have 8k ap and rank 250 in wvw, not much, but I try. AP comes very slowly now. I have 13 80’s and now a 52, I bought another slot again because leveling a char is something to do.

I play core because there is still an option on how I can play. I watched hours of HoT footage, and there is simply no options for me there.

I wouldn’t say no options. i’m assuming you are right handed, and use your (disabled) left hand on the keyboard? Have you ever thought about trying the other way around? (i know it’s hard to learn, i have tried it myself and gave up, but then for me it was just a ‘kittens and giggles’ thing, wheras the improvement of your gaming abilities might motivate you better)

Also: what are you actually asking for? all paid players to get the same thing? i guess that’s not unreasonable. but this way it sweetens the HoT pot, and since i don’t believe it’s possible to buy ‘just the core game’ anymore, it amounts to the same thing for most people anyway.

I understand your feeling hard done by & left out, but you must know that regardless of how much you individually have spent, the total would pale in comparison to the revenue they’d generate from even a dozen new HoT purchases they would not have otherwise gotten. with this addition i know that i will likely buy my friend an upgrade to HoT, since it immediately offers her a way to access the endgame content she is returning for.

And, lastly, what’s the big deal? If you don’t value these (largely gem store acquirable) items at the price of HoT, then like any other gem store bundle, don’t buy it. Think of it less as them giving freebies to people who have bought the expansion, and instead as them expanding an existing gemstore bundle and retroactively reimbursing those who have already bought it. If it still doesn’t appeal to you, well, then that’s fine, isn’kitten i daresay you don’t get upset about not being given the account bump/jump start for free, do you?

Gardavil.1762:

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

ziggystardust.3721:

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

Well, if you aren’t among the Chosen, you get nothing.

I will not buy HoT. I guess I’m invisible and unworthy of any future consideration.

Doesn’t matter that I’ve bought gem cards worth far more than the cost of that sorry, single demographic, feature sized “expansion”.

So you want to play full game by not buying it? That’s like playing old fifa and complaining of not having same advantages as those who playing new one. I said before…free to play is bad for games.

I am not FTP. FTP can’t post, eh? Whatever.

Yep, some of us can post and have not purchased HoT, I assume because we are purchased original game at launch so we aren’t classified as F2P.

I don’t have HoT, probably never will. I can’t play the game as a level 80, I quite literally do not have the player skill to do so (yes I have tried). I play Core only, what I can of it.

I’m not upset about the new free level 80 promo. I figure if I can’t make it to 80 on my own I should not “cheat” my way there. Besides… no one wants a player in their guild that just got to 80 the easy way even though they couldn’t make it to 80 the normal way. Not fair to those Players who have made it to 80.

So enjoy your new level 80s and the goodies and hopefully the changes are good ones for the Hots Maps. Have fun.

(just curious) but why can’t you play at 80? i’d say that’s where most of the fun is, and if it’s simply a lack of gear or understanding that could be fixed through a little kindness/inks to the right guides, there are a lot of us here on the forums who would be glad to help

Narrrz.7532:

Gardavil.1762:

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

ziggystardust.3721:

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

Well, if you aren’t among the Chosen, you get nothing.

I will not buy HoT. I guess I’m invisible and unworthy of any future consideration.

Doesn’t matter that I’ve bought gem cards worth far more than the cost of that sorry, single demographic, feature sized “expansion”.

So you want to play full game by not buying it? That’s like playing old fifa and complaining of not having same advantages as those who playing new one. I said before…free to play is bad for games.

I am not FTP. FTP can’t post, eh? Whatever.

Yep, some of us can post and have not purchased HoT, I assume because we are purchased original game at launch so we aren’t classified as F2P.

I don’t have HoT, probably never will. I can’t play the game as a level 80, I quite literally do not have the player skill to do so (yes I have tried). I play Core only, what I can of it.

I’m not upset about the new free level 80 promo. I figure if I can’t make it to 80 on my own I should not “cheat” my way there. Besides… no one wants a player in their guild that just got to 80 the easy way even though they couldn’t make it to 80 the normal way. Not fair to those Players who have made it to 80.

So enjoy your new level 80s and the goodies and hopefully the changes are good ones for the Hots Maps. Have fun.

(just curious) but why can’t you play at 80? i’d say that’s where most of the fun is, and if it’s simply a lack of gear or understanding that could be fixed through a little kindness/inks to the right guides, there are a lot of us here on the forums who would be glad to help

I choose not to discuss the details here. Thanks for understanding.

Horrorscope.7632:

As far as new people coming into GW’s and going straight to 80 and forgetting the past lands to me is a mistake for them. They should enjoy the first romp through, it’s great and with mega server there are still plenty of people out there, plenty.

It is very possible they would like those lands more than HOT’s twisted verticals as well, it’s much more traditional.

The free 80 I rec’d makes a great option for a new 80 after I have done one manually I feel, as someone just said, to test out the other builds.

Plus how awkward is it to start a new mmo and have a max’d out player? You’d be some shadow 80 with about 2% of the knowledge you need and then head straight into HOT? Yeah, to me that isn’t the ideal path for a new player. The game is plenty fun for a new player to start fresh from level 1. This isn’t like a standard mmo with truly abandoned lands that take forever and a day.

Just think when they are done with HOT then what? You start from say Queensdale, you still have Season 2 and Hot when done and not there with a finger in your bum… this is imo the best way to go for a brand new player and as another said… “they’ll play now because they can join me in HOT” we all know leveling is fast and don’t you want to level up another character to play with? Just start another and play with your friends.

Not poo poo’ing, but I’m not sure that a brand new player, straight to 80, straight to HOT is in their best interest. The old lands are super great at least the first time through. But whatevers.

That’s why New Players don’t get HoT, and enjoy the free core game for a while. Or, if they’re feeling bored, they jump straight into HoT and crash-course through it, learning quickly.

Just can’t believe there’re people complaining about these great changes and freebies.. o____O

It doesn’t just improve for them, it improves for us (the people who slaved through the GW2 depression =p) as well.

My suggestions (BAM problem solved):
- Just roll a new character, use the boost on it, then delete it, with all the free items inside. xD
- Do the dailies, etc etc for gold.. then donate them to some random newbie in the starting zones, you’ll at least make someone’s day. You can also donate the gold to me I won’t turn it down.. *cough cough.. ^____^

They needed some way to keep people coming back. The game couldn’t people playing so the best way to do it is by giving away freebies and improving rewards to entice us.

Zedek.8932:

The main reason why I quitted FF14 and went over here was because Square Enix did this every patch. Nerfing everything and giving it for almost free (if continuos player) or free (for re-subscribing). I think doing it once is fine.

I haven’t used a single level up item (forgot the name), all levels are done by wandering around and shooting, burning and poisoning foes. Squeenix pushes people into engame, neglecting the joy of character development and then you got a bunch of high-level noobs (in this case newbs/noobs) in endgame.

A video game is like a good cigar. Slowly and enjoyable. Not skipping to the end.

That assumes that the game ends when you get to level 80. It doesn’t for this game. And jumping immediately to level 80 doesn’t have a huge negative impact to playing the lower level maps so for the players who do not enjoy the leveling process, this item is welcome. Especially if they like making alts and therefore don’t always have enough tomes in their possession to level up a new character to level 80.

I’ve leveled 13 characters from 1 to 80, done the story 13 times…

I don’t understand the issue with leveling, when i get to 80 its boring and i start a new character… end game is terrible.

Dante.1508:

I’ve leveled 13 characters from 1 to 80, done the story 13 times…

I don’t understand the issue with leveling, when i get to 80 its boring and i start a new character… end game is terrible.

Weird I get to 80 and I don’t think I’m even half way done in content.

Dante.1508:

I’ve leveled 13 characters from 1 to 80, done the story 13 times…

I don’t understand the issue with leveling, when i get to 80 its boring and i start a new character… end game is terrible.

Well I’m curious what is your notion of “good endgame”, cause when I see one of your post saying you don’t raid, dungeon, fractals, pvp, www… I’m really curious about what you played in other mmo or maybe you just reached level cap and then toss the game…

this is too funny to read fully – only read the first page and unable to read more lmao.
Its amazing how ppl complain over anything – tomes are usually the first and now its crying over a 1 time use lvl 80 boost – omg go to the streets and start crying , the games broken !!!
Is there anything written in the CoC and ToC stating us “players” have to use any type of boosts within game or we pay the consquences ?? Is anyone going to get banned for NOT using the boost ??
Well I cant see anything so wheres the problem ?
Who gives a kitten if the player next to you used a boost ?
Who gives a kitten if the player used tomes or crafted to lvl 80 ?
Now lets say anet removed all boosts ( drastic but only an example ) and crafting xp – reset all chrs to 1 but kept the gear so u can use when u hit 80 .
Now the complaints would come – dungeons/fractals/high lvl maps would be empty till players got to req lvl and those who were at the lvl would be complaining theres no1 to team up with etc.
NO1 is forcing any player to use any boosts so at the end of the day WHO GIVES A KITTEN . I don’t , it matters not to me how a player got to 80.
Also consider a lot of players who jump to 80 will have to get the armor an weapons sorted , builds sorted etc – which a fair number of players may not be able to afford or able to farm ( you tell me if you are going to go and farm enough mats easily to craft the armor/weapons as well as craft up high enough to make them.
A lot of players state – we can play gw2 how WE want to – that means we can play how we want without anet and OTHER players telling us how we can play- its up to the individual player.Often players feel left out bacuase some content is out of their reach and when they do reach it they get told they need this build or that armor or even that weapon . Here they have a chance to get 1 chr to insta 80 and they could be shown how to do things so they can use what they learn as they lvl other chrs thru normal means – oh I forget “teaching players” isn’t something a big chunk of players refuse to do – and yes I know its in all games not just gw1/gw2.
If you have a problem with it – go somewhere and chill and for gods sake stop crying all the time.
Now I’m gonna go and chill somewhere and await the backlash from those crying ( they love to complain but hate any negative feedback from players )
as for accomplishing – I’m 3 yrs playing and theres probably more new players who have done more than I have , hell ive only tried 3 dungeons , never tried raids and title wise , took my time getting slayer titles – so I must a player who doesn’t aspire to anything in the game.No getting to 80 isn’t an achievement sorry to say – getting to 80 means u can get better armor/ascended stuff and access lvl 80 maps.
Now I’m off to chill

Looks at the stacks of Tomes

OtterPaws.2036:

Looks at the stacks of Tomes

I know right?

Everyone seems to be acting all bent out of shape. Face it, any semi veteran player who did not want to level a character to 80 “normaly” had hundreds of tomes at their disposal already (not that leveling takes that long anyway).

Now an argument could be made that the fact that arenanet now allows new players to essentially skip one of the most fun aspects of GW2 (leveling your first character) might be a bad idea down the road. All the other points though are answered simply by this:

“Stop being a kitten and let other players enjoy the game the way they want.”

Map Chat Person: Haha, this patch is great. The instant 80 was a good idea

Other Map Chat Person: Yeah but give it two weeks, everyone will be complaining.

Me: Two weeks? Try right now!

Map Chat Person: That’s why I never go to the forums

What’s funny about the everyone… it’s a single person complains, turns into a few and that turns into a little flock and that is about it. What’s that in scope of a million players? Nothing. These few things people are poo poo’ing aren’t that heavily supported, but we jump on the conversation and it makes it seems big. IMO not really that big. If they did something really really wrong the thread would have been into the 1000’s quickly. Did not happen. We are just playing small ball here.

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

Zoltar MacRoth.7146:

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

Well, if you aren’t among the Chosen, you get nothing.

I will not buy HoT. I guess I’m invisible and unworthy of any future consideration.

Doesn’t matter that I’ve bought gem cards worth far more than the cost of that sorry, single demographic, feature sized “expansion”.

Why won’t you buy HoT? Just curious.

Simple. I am disabled and play with only my right hand and a single usable digit on my left. Why buy a nightmare? Sadly, platforming and vertical have become the norm, and not an interesting option for those who enjoy that. Single demographic. If you can’t/don’t like platforming, go away.

I can play Core, even though I am gated from an increasing number of options/achievements there, I can’t even enter Dry Top in spite of hours spent attempting it before giving up. And no, I refuse to be “carried”, If I cannot do content myself, I won’t.

Although I did raid in WoW, Everquest, AoC and EQ2, I am too slow and imprecise to do group content now, I cannot carry my weight. I solo in Core. I do have 8k ap and rank 250 in wvw, not much, but I try. AP comes very slowly now. I have 13 80’s and now a 52, I bought another slot again because leveling a char is something to do.

I play core because there is still an option on how I can play. I watched hours of HoT footage, and there is simply no options for me there.

/waves Former EQ raider, WoW raider, and Almost-EQ2 raider here!

Very honest question… Have you ever tried a gaming mouse? I’ve thought about your post for a bit, and even watched how I played a few of my toons in game. While my left hand does rest on my keyboard when my demanding dog isn’t wanting to be petted, it is more out of habit & to hit map/inv/chat, etc… I’ve been using the Razor Naga, and the Naga Epic (cordless option) for many years now (over a year here, but for many years in WoW and EQ2). It was weird at first, getting comfortable with it; but once I did, I never looked back.

All the level 80 boost does gives you a level 80 char and some exotic gear and other stuff.

They still need to farm materials because they can’t craft asc pr lege gear, got no gold to buy them and they do not understand how their class can play.

They still need to farm fractals to do higher level ones as well plus to get collections for HoT stuff they need to do heart quests so they are still forced to go through that.

And let us say they try to do a raid and only have the one class and the raid needs a different class well then that new player is out of the raid because 1 single level 80 and same for fractals possibly.

They will still need Tyria mastery but due to low ar will not be able to do more frequented fractals because insta kill from agony so has to do core tyria content for exp.

It will not kill the game and has not lessened Central Tyria, they still need to do alot of work to get to the same place as those who have played for longer, if you think hitting 80 for free with a single char is going to ruin it you clearly have not done much.

I have taken part in ls1, gained many achievement points and some can no longer be gained again, gained outfits and skins no longer available, taken part of no longer available events I also didn’t have to pay for ls2 and have stock piles of materials.

I got huntsman from 120ish to 460 in about 2ish hours, because I had all those materials gathered and paid for because I had alot of gold.

And they need to get all off the weapon and armour skins ao they may be hitting 80 but they have alot to do and have missed out quite alot.

Ryou.2398:

Bomber.3872:

Teon.5168:

Celtic Lady.3729:

guildwarrior.6304:

As happy as I am about the patch, I can’t help but feel after so much hard work and labor we’ve gone through, it’s now just being handed out to everyone on a silver platter. So much gold, gems, time spent and now it’s being given out for free. Thanks though?

I don’t understand what you think is so unfair. We got a free shared slot and we got a free level 80 booster along with some minor goodies. It’s not like they’ve given all HoT purchasers a free precursor or something. The freebies are nice, but they’re hardly game-breaking.

Completely agree. But there will always be players that whine about others not having to do what they did.

This is the nature of the beast. Older mmorpgs have to do this to stay relevant.

Totally agree! Usually I criticize the game or patches a lot, but this time it’s just awesome! I don’t understand how anyone could see anything bad with this patch.

Looking around the threads since patch there is really not a single thread with shows any issue with this patch. (Well there are some elitists crying for no reason, but thats all^^)

Thats not the reason they are complaining there are quite a few reasons, one is some people will not learn how to play the game and class and you will end up with pugs and people who have no idea what they are doing and constantly wipe the group, well see what you say in a few weeks from now before you say people are crying.

The other reason is it ruins the sense of progression why play an rpg if your not going to play play the game? However people are right it does help promote more players but it doesnt mean the quality of those players will be any good hopefully they will learn before they pug. And I can understand after you played the content several times as well.

So in otherwords its better to promote players then the cons of this instant level 80, I cant be mad at anet for doing what they needed to get new players. But at the same time you cant be mad at people for seeing the cons of this as well.

Your first point has been an issue in this game since Day 1. I once played through TA with a level 80 whose friend had “helpfully” told him to buy gems, convert them to gold and use it to level by crafting so he could skip to the ‘end game’ then pointed him at dungeons and strangely enough refused to play with him until he’d done a few with other people. (I wonder why…)

He was using 3 signets because utility skills you have to activate confused him, couldn’t swap his pet when it died because he didn’t have another one, didn’t have any traits (this was back when you had to buy a book to activate them), didn’t know it was possible to dodge or swap weapons, didn’t know what red circles on the floor were…he literally hadn’t been outside of a city between doing the introduction and somehow finding his way to TA. Fortunately we had advertised the group as ‘everyone welcome, first timers especially’ and we were genuinely prepared to teach him (we just weren’t expecting anything that extreme). By the end he was doing a lot better and was going to look up key bindings and unlock his traits and pets.

By comparison the level 80 boost which at least gives you a half decent build and makes it very clear you’ll need to practice is actually an improvement.

As for the second point I would argue that a sense of progression can come from many things. Levelling is one of the most common in RPGs but it’s by no means the only option. You could do it like a Zelda game where you gain new items and abilities without attaching a number to it, or you can level abilities individually. In some cases it’s literally just a matter of the player getting better at using the options they have right from the start (although that’s hard to get right, because some people will breeze through the game and others will never be able to do it).

In GW2 I think levelling has always been a minor aspect of the game. When you reach level 80 you’re not going to be anywhere close to having finished the game. You can’t have completed your story, won’t have 100% map completion, you’re highly unlikely to have done many of the achievements or even all the dungeon paths. You’re also unlikely to have many weapon and armour skins, you won’t have your elite specialisation, any masteries etc. so there’s lots of ways to keep playing and progressing your character.

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

IndigoSundown.5419:

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

Personally, I don’t care about whether someone has “earned it” or how “fair” it is that someone gets an instant 80. All that is just frivolous nonsense. It doesn’t matter how fast someone else managed to get to 80, either.

My concern is about new players who will be doing level 80 content, but don’t know a single thing about the game. The whole leveling process is not only a necessary carrot on the stick for new players, but also a tutorial process. You learn what your skills and utilities do, you learn how enemies attack and move, you learn about dodging, conditions, crits, and various other mechanics. By the time you hit 80, you have a general working knowledge of how the game is supposed to be played. Even if you crafted your way to 80, that requires a lot of wealth and also the forethought to research how to do it.

But now, instead of having new players who don’t know what to do wandering around the starting areas, we’ll have new players who don’t know what to do in level 80 zones, messing with meta events, begging for cash, joining raids without saying a word, etc. The functioning population of the game becomes dumber once you have a “new players instantly max level” item.

I disagree. If a player is inclined to learn what his character can do, s/he will, whether that’s in the core leveling maps or in the trial in SW. I they aren’t, they won’t. There are plenty of vets dying in meta events who don’t know all that much about their characters’ capabilities, and they leveled in core.

Arguably, the core maps contain many mobs that teach players to stand and take what they dish out. At least SW mobs are closer to what one sees in HoT. If one’s first experience of the game is SW, that’s a better incentive to master the character than face-tanking groups of mobs in Lornar’s Pass.

That is false. People pick up skills and knowledge without having to actively pursue that information themselves. The proposed incompetence of vets is not on the level of players who haven’t even had a chance to experience the game. The free trail also gives players soldier gear, which is a gear set specifically to sit there and tank attacks.

I’d rather have a new player who used the boost, spent some time in SW learning the basics than a three year vet who never changes his bar. The point is that there is zero correlation between choosing to use the boost and not choosing to explore the profession.

As to the gear, does anyone know if:

“Quartermaster Criswell has been authorized to replace players’ trial equipment if they delete it.”

means “Give a player the same gear prefix if they accidentally delete their gear.” or “Give the player a different prefix of her/his choice, but they must delete the existing gear first.”?

When I first read that line, I assumed it had to be the latter. Then, I remembered the NPE.

Zedek.8932:

A video game is like a good cigar. Slowly and enjoyable. Not skipping to the end.

And giving you a lung cancer? Thanks, i’ll pass.

Seriously at OP, this thread is nonsense. Back in the day many lvled through EoTM. That includes me too. So does this mean is Anet fault for doing so? Even if new players insta lvled to 80, they still need world completion and other stuffs. They still have to go through the same process as everyone else doing anything. And also what makes you a veteran for such childish attitude? If you want to leave, leave. You being here won’t make any historical changes.

IndigoSundown.5419:

As to the gear, does anyone know if:

“Quartermaster Criswell has been authorized to replace players’ trial equipment if they delete it.”

means “Give a player the same gear prefix if they accidentally delete their gear.” or “Give the player a different prefix of her/his choice, but they must delete the existing gear first.”?

When I first read that line, I assumed it had to be the latter. Then, I remembered the NPE.

It’s the first one. Each profession only has 1 stat combination available for the free armour and weapons, and they’re all ones with a mix of offensive and defensive stats.

My guess is it’s a combination of not wanting to give inexperienced players anything too specialist and wanting to ensure that most people will want to change it later on, so there is still a demand for level 80 exotics.

Randulf.7614:

“All things have a right to grow”

unless itsa weed.
i dont like weeds.

Ryou.2398:

Bomber.3872:

Teon.5168:

Celtic Lady.3729:

guildwarrior.6304:

As happy as I am about the patch, I can’t help but feel after so much hard work and labor we’ve gone through, it’s now just being handed out to everyone on a silver platter. So much gold, gems, time spent and now it’s being given out for free. Thanks though?

I don’t understand what you think is so unfair. We got a free shared slot and we got a free level 80 booster along with some minor goodies. It’s not like they’ve given all HoT purchasers a free precursor or something. The freebies are nice, but they’re hardly game-breaking.

Completely agree. But there will always be players that whine about others not having to do what they did.

This is the nature of the beast. Older mmorpgs have to do this to stay relevant.

Totally agree! Usually I criticize the game or patches a lot, but this time it’s just awesome! I don’t understand how anyone could see anything bad with this patch.

Looking around the threads since patch there is really not a single thread with shows any issue with this patch. (Well there are some elitists crying for no reason, but thats all^^)

Thats not the reason they are complaining there are quite a few reasons, one is some people will not learn how to play the game and class and you will end up with pugs and people who have no idea what they are doing and constantly wipe the group, well see what you say in a few weeks from now before you say people are crying.

Who’s to say that doesn’t already happen? Most early level content does very little to challenge the player to the point where you can reach 80 without knowing what you’re doing. Maybe if they’re tossed into harder content earlier, they’ll be forced to learn faster. Many of my real life friends abandoned the game because the leveling content was too easy and boring. They never even got to see the actual game.

The other reason is it ruins the sense of progression why play an rpg if your not going to play play the game? However people are right it does help promote more players but it doesnt mean the quality of those players will be any good hopefully they will learn before they pug. And I can understand after you played the content several times as well.

Now this is the main issue I have with this kind of argument. Reaching level 80 is merely the tip of the iceberg. It is but a minuscule part of the game experience, and the skill required is also minuscule compared to the rest of the content. To define the process as much of a critical portion of the game so much that you’re defining bypassing it as not playing the game is an insult to the game and the players. It is not a monument by any means. It’s not any cliff of a mountain worth climbing. It’s the slope that leads to the entrance.

And that is why they were wise to allow experienced characters that probably have done it multiple times if not dozens of times to skip to it.

The game has changed. New content being released is revolving around being max level. This is the best way to get everyone up to the content they want to show off. These are the areas where changes will be focused— so they want people to be there to see these things lives. The old leveling zones will still be there if people want to level conventionally.

Vertical progression is just so dated— but don’t worry— there’s plenty of grinds for ascended and legendaries for those that want it already.

guildwarrior.6304:

As happy as I am about the patch, I can’t help but feel after so much hard work and labor we’ve gone through, it’s now just being handed out to everyone on a silver platter. So much gold, gems, time spent and now it’s being given out for free. Thanks though?

I’m good with it. I ordered HoT on a gold platter so silver is at least acceptable.

They did it to entice f2p to buy the game. I don’t know exactly what happens with this boost, but I am thinking map completion is still a thing. It doesn’t take very long to level a character to 80. A brand new player can do it in a week if they played every night for 4 or 5 hours. It isn’t that big of an accomplishment. On the other hand, map completion is a huge thing. It is the entire basis of the endgame content.

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

Simple. I am disabled and play with only my right hand and a single usable digit on my left. Why buy a nightmare? Sadly, platforming and vertical have become the norm, and not an interesting option for those who enjoy that. Single demographic. If you can’t/don’t like platforming, go away.

I can play Core, even though I am gated from an increasing number of options/achievements there, I can’t even enter Dry Top in spite of hours spent attempting it before giving up. And no, I refuse to be “carried”, If I cannot do content myself, I won’t.

Although I did raid in WoW, Everquest, AoC and EQ2, I am too slow and imprecise to do group content now, I cannot carry my weight. I solo in Core. I do have 8k ap and rank 250 in wvw, not much, but I try. AP comes very slowly now. I have 13 80’s and now a 52, I bought another slot again because leveling a char is something to do.

I play core because there is still an option on how I can play. I watched hours of HoT footage, and there is simply no options for me there.

I have a painful auto immune disease so I do have sympathy about your condition and inability to play certain content. That being said complaining that the content is only for a privileged few that bought HoT and that there is nothing for you is rather unfair. Of course they were going to make this content harder because it is an expansion of the previous game. And most people love the verticality of the maps and gliding. In fact, groups I belong to cite the gliding at the best thing about the game. There maybe modes you can play better on. You could switch mouse hands and get an MMO mouse, and you could switch to action camera to help with getting movement off the keyboard. Just a thought.

IndigoSundown.5419:

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

IndigoSundown.5419:

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

Personally, I don’t care about whether someone has “earned it” or how “fair” it is that someone gets an instant 80. All that is just frivolous nonsense. It doesn’t matter how fast someone else managed to get to 80, either.

My concern is about new players who will be doing level 80 content, but don’t know a single thing about the game. The whole leveling process is not only a necessary carrot on the stick for new players, but also a tutorial process. You learn what your skills and utilities do, you learn how enemies attack and move, you learn about dodging, conditions, crits, and various other mechanics. By the time you hit 80, you have a general working knowledge of how the game is supposed to be played. Even if you crafted your way to 80, that requires a lot of wealth and also the forethought to research how to do it.

But now, instead of having new players who don’t know what to do wandering around the starting areas, we’ll have new players who don’t know what to do in level 80 zones, messing with meta events, begging for cash, joining raids without saying a word, etc. The functioning population of the game becomes dumber once you have a “new players instantly max level” item.

I disagree. If a player is inclined to learn what his character can do, s/he will, whether that’s in the core leveling maps or in the trial in SW. I they aren’t, they won’t. There are plenty of vets dying in meta events who don’t know all that much about their characters’ capabilities, and they leveled in core.

Arguably, the core maps contain many mobs that teach players to stand and take what they dish out. At least SW mobs are closer to what one sees in HoT. If one’s first experience of the game is SW, that’s a better incentive to master the character than face-tanking groups of mobs in Lornar’s Pass.

That is false. People pick up skills and knowledge without having to actively pursue that information themselves. The proposed incompetence of vets is not on the level of players who haven’t even had a chance to experience the game. The free trail also gives players soldier gear, which is a gear set specifically to sit there and tank attacks.

I’d rather have a new player who used the boost, spent some time in SW learning the basics than a three year vet who never changes his bar. The point is that there is zero correlation between choosing to use the boost and not choosing to explore the profession.

That doesn’t make sense. You’re saying I’m wrong by purposefully choosing an exception and then pretending that everything else doesn’t exist. The fact does not change that a player who goes from 1 to 80 has more experience, more time, and more opportunity to learn both actively and passively than a player who just jumps to 80.

This thread is yet another example of how people will complain about anything.

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

IndigoSundown.5419:

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

IndigoSundown.5419:

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

Personally, I don’t care about whether someone has “earned it” or how “fair” it is that someone gets an instant 80. All that is just frivolous nonsense. It doesn’t matter how fast someone else managed to get to 80, either.

My concern is about new players who will be doing level 80 content, but don’t know a single thing about the game. The whole leveling process is not only a necessary carrot on the stick for new players, but also a tutorial process. You learn what your skills and utilities do, you learn how enemies attack and move, you learn about dodging, conditions, crits, and various other mechanics. By the time you hit 80, you have a general working knowledge of how the game is supposed to be played. Even if you crafted your way to 80, that requires a lot of wealth and also the forethought to research how to do it.

But now, instead of having new players who don’t know what to do wandering around the starting areas, we’ll have new players who don’t know what to do in level 80 zones, messing with meta events, begging for cash, joining raids without saying a word, etc. The functioning population of the game becomes dumber once you have a “new players instantly max level” item.

I disagree. If a player is inclined to learn what his character can do, s/he will, whether that’s in the core leveling maps or in the trial in SW. If they aren’t, they won’t. There are plenty of vets dying in meta events who don’t know all that much about their characters’ capabilities, and they leveled in core.

Arguably, the core maps contain many mobs that teach players to stand and take what they dish out. At least SW mobs are closer to what one sees in HoT. If one’s first experience of the game is SW, that’s a better incentive to master the character than face-tanking groups of mobs in Lornar’s Pass.

That is false. People pick up skills and knowledge without having to actively pursue that information themselves. The proposed incompetence of vets is not on the level of players who haven’t even had a chance to experience the game. The free trail also gives players soldier gear, which is a gear set specifically to sit there and tank attacks.

I’d rather have a new player who used the boost, spent some time in SW learning the basics than a three year vet who never changes his bar. The point is that there is zero correlation between choosing to use the boost and not choosing to explore the profession.

That doesn’t make sense. You’re saying I’m wrong by purposefully choosing an exception and then pretending that everything else doesn’t exist. The fact does not change that a player who goes from 1 to 80 has more experience, more time, and more opportunity to learn both actively and passively than a player who just jumps to 80.

I never said you were wrong, I said I disagreed. Nor am I pretending anything else doesn’t exist. I believe that willingness to learn is going to matter more than time in game.

The game is not rocket science. It does not take that long to learn profession mechanics and how the game works. Yet, there are plenty of players who’ve been around a long time who haven’t bothered to learn either. Years of experience in core didn’t prepare a lot of folks for HoT.

Where I’ll grant that experience does come into play is in learning individual mob abilities, what to avoid, what to CC, etc. SW is a better teacher for that than any of the sub-80 zones in core, because it shares some mobs with HoT.

IndigoSundown.5419:

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

IndigoSundown.5419:

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

IndigoSundown.5419:

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

Personally, I don’t care about whether someone has “earned it” or how “fair” it is that someone gets an instant 80. All that is just frivolous nonsense. It doesn’t matter how fast someone else managed to get to 80, either.

My concern is about new players who will be doing level 80 content, but don’t know a single thing about the game. The whole leveling process is not only a necessary carrot on the stick for new players, but also a tutorial process. You learn what your skills and utilities do, you learn how enemies attack and move, you learn about dodging, conditions, crits, and various other mechanics. By the time you hit 80, you have a general working knowledge of how the game is supposed to be played. Even if you crafted your way to 80, that requires a lot of wealth and also the forethought to research how to do it.

But now, instead of having new players who don’t know what to do wandering around the starting areas, we’ll have new players who don’t know what to do in level 80 zones, messing with meta events, begging for cash, joining raids without saying a word, etc. The functioning population of the game becomes dumber once you have a “new players instantly max level” item.

I disagree. If a player is inclined to learn what his character can do, s/he will, whether that’s in the core leveling maps or in the trial in SW. If they aren’t, they won’t. There are plenty of vets dying in meta events who don’t know all that much about their characters’ capabilities, and they leveled in core.

Arguably, the core maps contain many mobs that teach players to stand and take what they dish out. At least SW mobs are closer to what one sees in HoT. If one’s first experience of the game is SW, that’s a better incentive to master the character than face-tanking groups of mobs in Lornar’s Pass.

That is false. People pick up skills and knowledge without having to actively pursue that information themselves. The proposed incompetence of vets is not on the level of players who haven’t even had a chance to experience the game. The free trail also gives players soldier gear, which is a gear set specifically to sit there and tank attacks.

I’d rather have a new player who used the boost, spent some time in SW learning the basics than a three year vet who never changes his bar. The point is that there is zero correlation between choosing to use the boost and not choosing to explore the profession.

That doesn’t make sense. You’re saying I’m wrong by purposefully choosing an exception and then pretending that everything else doesn’t exist. The fact does not change that a player who goes from 1 to 80 has more experience, more time, and more opportunity to learn both actively and passively than a player who just jumps to 80.

I never said you were wrong, I said I disagreed. Nor am I pretending anything else doesn’t exist. I believe that willingness to learn is going to matter more than time in game.

The game is not rocket science. It does not take that long to learn profession mechanics and how the game works. Yet, there are plenty of players who’ve been around a long time who haven’t bothered to learn either. Years of experience in core didn’t prepare a lot of folks for HoT.

Where I’ll grant that experience does come into play is in learning individual mob abilities, what to avoid, what to CC, etc. SW is a better teacher for that than any of the sub-80 zones in core, because it shares some mobs with HoT.

I am not stating an opinion. You can’t “disagree” without asserting that I am incorrect.

The difficulty of the mobs in SW will have an opposite effect: by introducing these more difficult mobs to players, they’ll be reinforcing an extremely timid playstyle. You know the one, where players wiggle back and forth while auto attacking with their ranged weapon. The reason why it would encourage this playstyle is because the enemies in the SW were designed specifically to counteract the all-melee tactics that were used before its release. So, new players will take the path of least resistance, and just bearbow the whole thing.

Safire.9143:

YOU JUST TOOK THE VERY LAST BIT OF PROGRESS OUT OF THE GAME THAT WAS LEFT…. and i dont know if you realize that anet. You are promoting your game as a “big living world full of dynamic events” and you are basically taking it away from the new players…
Its okay giving it to the players who alredy have an lvl 80 character, but giving it to the new players ???

So because you bought the expansion you get to automatically skip everything and become max level instead of having to work for it and put the time into doing it yourself…What is this WoW now ?? What a better way to throw the entire world you created in the garbage. Why would I leave LA now except for guild missions??
It removes the entirety of what GW2 is.. exploration and discovery.

I just feel that i have nothing in this game, untill now i was like “okay i have level 80 i accomplished something in this game”… cant say that after this patch anymore…

I cared about this game but im not going to anymore… im sick of watching stupid decisions pass in anet like that… im a little sad about this cause gw2 was my fav game. R.I.P.

Absolutely no exploration or discovery was removed — map completion is still there. They can experiment with and discover new builds.

The main issue is with people coming from other MMOs who see level as the main form of progress and gaining levels as the main point of the game. It isn’t.

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

My concern is about new players who will be doing level 80 content, but don’t know a single thing about the game. The whole leveling process is not only a necessary carrot on the stick for new players, but also a tutorial process. You learn what your skills and utilities do, you learn how enemies attack and move, you learn about dodging, conditions, crits, and various other mechanics. By the time you hit 80, you have a general working knowledge of how the game is supposed to be played. Even if you crafted your way to 80, that requires a lot of wealth and also the forethought to research how to do it.

But now, instead of having new players who don’t know what to do wandering around the starting areas, we’ll have new players who don’t know what to do in level 80 zones, messing with meta events, begging for cash, joining raids without saying a word, etc. The functioning population of the game becomes dumber once you have a “new players instantly max level” item.

I am not stating an opinion. You can’t “disagree” without asserting that I am incorrect.

The difficulty of the mobs in SW will have an opposite effect: by introducing these more difficult mobs to players, they’ll be reinforcing an extremely timid playstyle. You know the one, where players wiggle back and forth while auto attacking with their ranged weapon. The reason why it would encourage this playstyle is because the enemies in the SW were designed specifically to counteract the all-melee tactics that were used before its release. So, new players will take the path of least resistance, and just bearbow the whole thing.

OK, I disagree with your prediction that the boost will result in decreased quality of player by enough of an amount greater than what we already see to be concerned about. That’s me making a different prediction, which is also an opinion. Neither are facts until one or the other happens. In the meantime, we’ll have to disagree with each other. However, you’re right and I’m wrong about me saying you will be wrong. Then again, I may be wrong.

In the end, it’s also yet to be seen whether the boost will attract enough new players to make a perceptible difference.