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Posted by: Smooth Penguin.5294

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Looking back to my time with Guild Wars 1, I really enjoyed the stories in the Bonus Mission Pack. These were missions that had no impact on the original game or story, but did give some nice lore background, along with unique rewards. It only cost $10 to add to your account, so it was affordable.

Anet should consider doing more of these optional paid content for GW2. With the current storylines in place, there could be options to play as one of the characters in the Destiny’s Edge history. Play in Snaff’s past, or perhaps Caithe’s backstory. See Rytlock’s rise, or Logan’s fight to save the Queen. With Gems, all players could get access to bonus missions without having to pay real money. Taking this idea to the next level, players who do buy Gems with real money should get bonus, exclusive content! Something like a consumable that grants the ability to wear two full rune sets on armor.

Anyway, this could be a way to start a CDI on future paid content ideas. How do people feel about this?

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Posted by: Fenrina.2954

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I’m pretty wary about it. Good access to content is generally important for an mmo to survive. They’re already planning on making people pay for access to older living story releases. Those I’ve talked to feel uneasy about that alone. Adding more money-locked content may push that way to far.

We already have people complaining about armor skins always being released in the cash shop. Do we really want that for content too? I feel like that’s where it’ll lead to.

Edit: In other games, exclusive content for people who pay money to get gems lead to situations like “pay us $150 and we’ll give you a mount.” I don’t think that’s healthy for a game.

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Posted by: CureForLiving.5360

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Well I don’t know. It all comes don to player reactions.

Will players view this as ANet attempting to squeeze money out of them (some think the current gem model of vanity items is already doing this…)?
Will players view this as ANet hiding the good stuff behind a pay wall (so those that pay get the premium content)?
Will new players view this a hidden costs (i.e. oh I just purchased it and now I need to pay more $$$)?

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Posted by: Smooth Penguin.5294

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It worked well in GW1. The content they sold for $10 was just mini missions. In these missions, you played as someone from history and relived their tales. My favorite was when Gwen had to escape from the charr, and in the process, learned her Mesmer skills.

Remember, this content would be all optional side missions, with no impact on the current game. DLC if you will. But I wouldn’t mind if they gave bonuses to paying customers like me.

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Posted by: IndigoSundown.5419

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They seem to have enough to do with providing content to keep people logging in, which correlates with higher gem sales. I would have been interested to see what effect the recent content hiatus has on Q2 sales. However, the ANet portion of the China sales will likely all be lumped in. Maybe once they hit their stride on putting out content for everyone, they can think about setting aside resources to produce niche content.

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Posted by: Seera.5916

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If the rewards for the side missions weren’t skills or too different stat wise than what is “free”, then I don’t think many will have a huge issue with it. Or too much loot (either quality or quantity).

The moment that there is a new skill or a super neat item that’s better stat wise, then it turns into pay to win. Or a higher percentage of loot or better quality loot

Unless you want those new skills to be just as useful as racial skills or the Mistfire Wolf Elite.

Which of course then turns into: why even bother paying for it if it isn’t going to be rewarding?

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If the rewards for the side missions weren’t skills or too different stat wise than what is “free”, then I don’t think many will have a huge issue with it. Or too much loot (either quality or quantity).

The moment that there is a new skill or a super neat item that’s better stat wise, then it turns into pay to win. Or a higher percentage of loot or better quality loot

Unless you want those new skills to be just as useful as racial skills or the Mistfire Wolf Elite.

Which of course then turns into: why even bother paying for it if it isn’t going to be rewarding?

When I first got the Bonus Mission Pack for GW1, I didn’t do it for the rewards. I wanted to experience part of the Guild Wars lore.

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Posted by: Dark Jericho.8609

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+1

I hope they do something like this in the future now that they seem to have a system going for living story that would be complimented well by adding this.

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Posted by: Thereon.3495

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I personally would love to see additional missions that give a unique reward (skin only) and based entirely on lore and story. I dont think ANET are capable of producing that content though.

ANETs focus is clearly on players who spend the most in the gem store and its my belief that these players arent too interested in lore or immersion. Sure it helps but when you can mindlessly zerg all events and objectives, farm to your hearts content and generally steamroll through most content pretty easily these players surely dont care about things like why the mobs are in these locations and the background on each map theyre farming in.

Its my dream that one day a developer of a AAA MMO realises the value of immersion and lore within a game. ANET wont be that developer.

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Posted by: Relshdan.6854

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I think as long as they treat it as “side missions” outside current Tyria (be it in a different time period or story arch from the main) i’d love it.

i think they need to better monetize their product and while the new LS journel is a start, optional playable content would be a great addition.

much better than the current luxury gem store items……and MUCH better than moving to a pay-to-win model most free MMOs adopt.

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Posted by: Lightsbane.9012

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No. it goes against their core philosophy. no player should have access to something that another player cannot have access to. although if you’re in the game, clearly someone paid to be there.

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Posted by: Dr Ritter.1327

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No. it goes against their core philosophy. no player should have access to something that another player cannot have access to. although if you’re in the game, clearly someone paid to be there.

“goes against their core philosophy” They went against their core philosophy a long time ago adding ascended gear.

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Posted by: Relshdan.6854

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No. it goes against their core philosophy. no player should have access to something that another player cannot have access to. although if you’re in the game, clearly someone paid to be there.

all players have access to purchase content (via RL money or in-game gold converted to gems), just as they do now to purchase gem store items.

do you honestly believe they can keep the game running/make a profit by giving away all future content for free to those that “just log in”?

there are no signs of them releasing a traditional expansion anytime soon. so if they are ignoring this model (which would be equally against the “core philosophy” by your definition) then they have to sell the content incrementally.

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No. it goes against their core philosophy. no player should have access to something that another player cannot have access to. although if you’re in the game, clearly someone paid to be there.

“goes against their core philosophy” They went against their core philosophy a long time ago adding ascended gear.

…..and that small stat gain from ascended gear has absolutely ruined the game for for those using exotics………..said no one.

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Posted by: Lightsbane.9012

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No. it goes against their core philosophy. no player should have access to something that another player cannot have access to. although if you’re in the game, clearly someone paid to be there.

all players have access to purchase content (via RL money or in-game gold converted to gems), just as they do now to purchase gem store items.

do you honestly believe they can keep the game running/make a profit by giving away all future content for free to those that “just log in”?

there are no signs of them releasing a traditional expansion anytime soon. so if they are ignoring this model (which would be equally against the “core philosophy” by your definition) then they have to sell the content incrementally.

yes. by releasing expansions. is it really that hard to comprehend?

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Exclusive

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Posted by: Seera.5916

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If the rewards for the side missions weren’t skills or too different stat wise than what is “free”, then I don’t think many will have a huge issue with it. Or too much loot (either quality or quantity).

The moment that there is a new skill or a super neat item that’s better stat wise, then it turns into pay to win. Or a higher percentage of loot or better quality loot

Unless you want those new skills to be just as useful as racial skills or the Mistfire Wolf Elite.

Which of course then turns into: why even bother paying for it if it isn’t going to be rewarding?

When I first got the Bonus Mission Pack for GW1, I didn’t do it for the rewards. I wanted to experience part of the Guild Wars lore.

But how many people do you know in this game do things simply for the lore and not the rewards vs those who play for the rewards?

And I’d rather ANet spend it’s money on things that would be accessible to all players over something that’s not. Especially given the bugs and lack of new content available to everyone.

It would likely be different if we had tons of new permanent content coming on a regular and reliable basis. But we don’t.

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There’s probably a good portion of the population who would pay for new content like this. Remember, I’m not talking about an expansion, but rather a small add-on that lets you experience some lore. The Bonus Mission Pack was not big, and something similar for GW2 wouldn’t be big either. AND… this would be in addition to any regular LS content that we get each month.

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Posted by: Seera.5916

Seera.5916

There’s probably a good portion of the population who would pay for new content like this. Remember, I’m not talking about an expansion, but rather a small add-on that lets you experience some lore. The Bonus Mission Pack was not big, and something similar for GW2 wouldn’t be big either. AND… this would be in addition to any regular LS content that we get each month.

I don’t view LS content as tons of content. Granted that’s based on LS season 1 which had temporary content. LS season 2 has solid information that they may be focusing more on permanent content.

I wouldn’t pay $10 for what amounts to just a Personal Story length quest, even for the lore. I’d pay maybe $1.

Now if it was a set of missions that gave no more than an average Personal Story set of quests. And instead of giving level appropriate gear, it gives Level 80 appropriate gear even though it scales to personal level (meaning a new player can check it out and get as much value out of it as a veteran playing on their maxed out fully decked in ascended gear main – value here being gold and materials over usage).

Then maybe I could see a $10 offering.

But again, this is only after ANet starts releasing a reliable stream of new permanent content. Something we have yet to see. I’d rather new ideas be put toward free content that we all get over just those who pay. IE: I’d rather see new Personal Story Quests over Gem Store Quests given the lack of permanent content that we’ve had.

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Posted by: Yalora Istairiea.6287

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I am quite wary of this idea at this point in time, in the development process.

As I recall, they already had Prophecies, Factions, Nightfall, EotN and announced GW2, before they released the Bonus Mission Pack. Then after the Bonus Pack, the releases stopped until the freebie GW Beyond. So before they decided to do the Bonus Pack they already had 3 major Expansions and announced our beloved GW2.

I just don’t feel that this would be the appropriate time to release a Bonus Pack before they release any expansions. Yes, one could argue that the Living Story Season 1 counts as an expansion(I choose not to debate that at this time); but honestly I felt that the Bonus Pack was put there to hold us over for some content till they released their new idea of GW Beyond(which seemed like a trial run for the Living Story Model).

As for actually purchasing the Bonus Pack, as I recall I got it for free somehow (legitimately of course), I don’t actually recall purchasing it. After playing the Bonus for a bit, I found I was only interested in it to get the Mursaat Weapons (which were awesome IMO) and the bonus content fell by the wayside, for some reason.

So for me, I would like to see Cantha, Elona and The Far Shiverpeaks permanent additional content, long before their consideration of a Bonus Pack

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Posted by: Dusty Moon.4382

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No – ESO did this with a Race and special items going to those who spent more. This is a P2W scenario that I don’t want. You already have this with the TP giving different COSMETIC items to those who pay. That is fine, anything else NO.

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Posted by: nolij.4327

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i support your idea but it will never happen

you see, people in GW2 don’t want to pay for actual content. when you want to pay for actual content, the people on these forums call it “paying to win”

however, when you add in useless recycled content like bobbleheads, they cheer and roar with excitement. because useless recycled content is what people who play GW2 want.

yes, i find this just as hard to believe as you do, but this is how it is.

i continue to be dumbfounded and maintain hope that it will one day change.

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Posted by: Xenon.4537

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I’m pretty wary about it. Good access to content is generally important for an mmo to survive. They’re already planning on making people pay for access to older living story releases. Those I’ve talked to feel uneasy about that alone. Adding more money-locked content may push that way to far.

We already have people complaining about armor skins always being released in the cash shop. Do we really want that for content too? I feel like that’s where it’ll lead to.

Edit: In other games, exclusive content for people who pay money to get gems lead to situations like “pay us $150 and we’ll give you a mount.” I don’t think that’s healthy for a game.

In every other game they charge money for expansions and additional content. Why is it so hard for GW2 players to accept the idea of paying for additional content? Is it because they are acclimated to getting living world for free?

This is the only game I’ve seen where people actively campaign against having to pay for additional content, as if Anet is different from all other developers in that they should somehow be a charity and charge nothing for additional content.

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Posted by: Dusty Moon.4382

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I’m pretty wary about it. Good access to content is generally important for an mmo to survive. They’re already planning on making people pay for access to older living story releases. Those I’ve talked to feel uneasy about that alone. Adding more money-locked content may push that way to far.

We already have people complaining about armor skins always being released in the cash shop. Do we really want that for content too? I feel like that’s where it’ll lead to.

Edit: In other games, exclusive content for people who pay money to get gems lead to situations like “pay us $150 and we’ll give you a mount.” I don’t think that’s healthy for a game.

In every other game they charge money for expansions and additional content. Why is it so hard for GW2 players to accept the idea of paying for additional content? Is it because they are acclimated to getting living world for free?

This is the only game I’ve seen where people actively campaign against having to pay for additional content, as if Anet is different from all other developers in that they should somehow be a charity and charge nothing for additional content.

A.Net said they would not do an expansion and any new content would be free. Can you say ‘Flip-flop’ if they now charged for it?

The rage from players on this forum would be even more than it already is.

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Posted by: Xenon.4537

Xenon.4537

I’m pretty wary about it. Good access to content is generally important for an mmo to survive. They’re already planning on making people pay for access to older living story releases. Those I’ve talked to feel uneasy about that alone. Adding more money-locked content may push that way to far.

We already have people complaining about armor skins always being released in the cash shop. Do we really want that for content too? I feel like that’s where it’ll lead to.

Edit: In other games, exclusive content for people who pay money to get gems lead to situations like “pay us $150 and we’ll give you a mount.” I don’t think that’s healthy for a game.

In every other game they charge money for expansions and additional content. Why is it so hard for GW2 players to accept the idea of paying for additional content? Is it because they are acclimated to getting living world for free?

This is the only game I’ve seen where people actively campaign against having to pay for additional content, as if Anet is different from all other developers in that they should somehow be a charity and charge nothing for additional content.

A.Net said they would not do an expansion and any new content would be free. Can you say ‘Flip-flop’ if they now charged for it?

The rage from players on this forum would be even more than it already is.

They said no such thing. They always said they intend to deliver “an expansion’s worth of content” but they had not decided how to deliver it. Additional content was always planned to be released, but they wanted to take their time and see if it would be better to release it in small chunks through the living world, or all at once through a traditional expansion. The rage on these forums is from players being either misinformed, or just plain ignorant.

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Posted by: Lilith Ajit.6173

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If it was a pack being sold for gems (meaning those cheapskates could just farm for the gold) I don’t understand the outrage. I’d pay for it on my 2 accounts and I’d buy it for every one of my friends who couldn’t afford it. It’s 10 dollars. Unless you’re a child, a broke college student, or struggling to make ends meet so much that you probably shouldn’t be wasting time on the game anyway, you can either buy it or farm for it.

I see nothing but good things in this idea. Those of us with disposable incomes could get more than just cosmetic pixels for our cash and those of you with time to farm get your content you’ve been whining about not having.

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If it was a pack being sold for gems (meaning those cheapskates could just farm for the gold) I don’t understand the outrage. I’d pay for it on my 2 accounts and I’d buy it for every one of my friends who couldn’t afford it. It’s 10 dollars. Unless you’re a child, a broke college student, or struggling to make ends meet so much that you probably shouldn’t be wasting time on the game anyway, you can either buy it or farm for it.

I see nothing but good things in this idea. Those of us with disposable incomes could get more than just cosmetic pixels for our cash and those of you with time to farm get your content you’ve been whining about not having.

Wholeheartedly agree.

I don’t recall this outrage when they released Factions, Nightfall, EotN, or the bonus mission pack for GW1. I seem to remember them charging for all of those, and gems-for-gold didn’t exist back then either.

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Posted by: Dusty Moon.4382

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If it was a pack being sold for gems (meaning those cheapskates could just farm for the gold) I don’t understand the outrage. I’d pay for it on my 2 accounts and I’d buy it for every one of my friends who couldn’t afford it. It’s 10 dollars. Unless you’re a child, a broke college student, or struggling to make ends meet so much that you probably shouldn’t be wasting time on the game anyway, you can either buy it or farm for it.

I see nothing but good things in this idea. Those of us with disposable incomes could get more than just cosmetic pixels for our cash and those of you with time to farm get your content you’ve been whining about not having.

Wholeheartedly agree.

I don’t recall this outrage when they released Factions, Nightfall, EotN, or the bonus mission pack for GW1. I seem to remember them charging for all of those, and gems-for-gold didn’t exist back then either.

The first 2 were stand alone games not expansions ( you could play them w/o the other 2 – consider them Books of a trilogy). Only EotN could be considered an expansion – the BMP – was not that interesting.

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The BMP only gave you access to certain weapon skins as well as some back story. I remember paying something like AUD$6 for it, which is a hell of a lot less than what I’ve forked out for gems (which also isn’t that much).

I’d totally go for an extra mission pack but from Anet’s perspective the problem lies in that they couldn’t possibly release it as a real world cash only purchase. The inevitable backlash from the p2w(hiners) would be too great.

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Posted by: Xenon.4537

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The first 2 were stand alone games not expansions ( you could play them w/o the other 2 – consider them Books of a trilogy).

This doesn’t change the fact that they expanded on the world, content, features, and gameplay of the original Guild Wars. It doesn’t change my point that you had to pay for them, and that people did not complain that they had to pay for them. The money they charged allowed the content to be substantial. When people want substantial content, they should be willing to pay for it, because it costs money, effort, and resources to produce substantial content.

the BMP – was not that interesting.

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Posted by: Xenon.4537

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The BMP only gave you access to certain weapon skins as well as some back story. I remember paying something like AUD$6 for it, which is a hell of a lot less than what I’ve forked out for gems (which also isn’t that much).

I’d totally go for an extra mission pack but from Anet’s perspective the problem lies in that they couldn’t possibly release it as a real world cash only purchase. The inevitable backlash from the p2w(hiners) would be too great.

I think the real reason Anet doesn’t go ahead and produce a “Factions 2” as it were, is because they just don’t have the financial backing from NCSoft right now. That, and they genuinely want to give us content for free while sustaining the game on revenue from optional gem store items. They are in a unique position to try to change the way MMOs deliver content, and they want to try. Whether this is satisfactory to customers remains to be seen. So far a lot of us are not satisfied.

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Posted by: Tobias Trueflight.8350

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No. it goes against their core philosophy. no player should have access to something that another player cannot have access to. although if you’re in the game, clearly someone paid to be there.

“goes against their core philosophy” They went against their core philosophy a long time ago adding ascended gear.

Explain this one, because what you could have said is “they’ve done it in the past with said Bonus Mission Pack”. Instead you had to bring up Ascended gear again. I’m going to have to deduct style points.

On topic? While I somewhat like the concept, I don’t really want it happening. There would be an uproar about it, as some people already don’t like the idea of the Story Journal and “pay 200 Gems for a chapter you missed”.

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Posted by: Azrael.4960

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The BMP only gave you access to certain weapon skins as well as some back story. I remember paying something like AUD$6 for it, which is a hell of a lot less than what I’ve forked out for gems (which also isn’t that much).

I’d totally go for an extra mission pack but from Anet’s perspective the problem lies in that they couldn’t possibly release it as a real world cash only purchase. The inevitable backlash from the p2w(hiners) would be too great.

I think the real reason Anet doesn’t go ahead and produce a “Factions 2” as it were, is because they just don’t have the financial backing from NCSoft right now. That, and they genuinely want to give us content for free while sustaining the game on revenue from optional gem store items. They are in a unique position to try to change the way MMOs deliver content, and they want to try. Whether this is satisfactory to customers remains to be seen. So far a lot of us are not satisfied.

Good points. Sometimes working outside the box is a good thing but on the other hand being too left field can turn around and bite you hard. Anet’s ideas had merit, but were overly ambitious.

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Posted by: Xenon.4537

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No. it goes against their core philosophy. no player should have access to something that another player cannot have access to. although if you’re in the game, clearly someone paid to be there.

“goes against their core philosophy” They went against their core philosophy a long time ago adding ascended gear.

Explain this one, because what you could have said is “they’ve done it in the past with said Bonus Mission Pack”. Instead you had to bring up Ascended gear again. I’m going to have to deduct style points.

On topic? While I somewhat like the concept, I don’t really want it happening. There would be an uproar about it, as some people already don’t like the idea of the Story Journal and “pay 200 Gems for a chapter you missed”.

Would you be in favor of a full-sized expansion pack for $50 instead?

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Posted by: Tobias Trueflight.8350

Tobias Trueflight.8350

No. it goes against their core philosophy. no player should have access to something that another player cannot have access to. although if you’re in the game, clearly someone paid to be there.

“goes against their core philosophy” They went against their core philosophy a long time ago adding ascended gear.

Explain this one, because what you could have said is “they’ve done it in the past with said Bonus Mission Pack”. Instead you had to bring up Ascended gear again. I’m going to have to deduct style points.

On topic? While I somewhat like the concept, I don’t really want it happening. There would be an uproar about it, as some people already don’t like the idea of the Story Journal and “pay 200 Gems for a chapter you missed”.

Would you be in favor of a full-sized expansion pack for $50 instead?

I’d be in favor of new content of any stripe, especially if it would expand on lore in a forward-thinking way as opposed to looking backwards at what already has been covered.

The price tag . . . would have to be negotiable, if only because while I have a small spot in my budget for that sort of purchase, I know a lot of people don’t.

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Posted by: Lilith Ajit.6173

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No. it goes against their core philosophy. no player should have access to something that another player cannot have access to. although if you’re in the game, clearly someone paid to be there.

“goes against their core philosophy” They went against their core philosophy a long time ago adding ascended gear.

Explain this one, because what you could have said is “they’ve done it in the past with said Bonus Mission Pack”. Instead you had to bring up Ascended gear again. I’m going to have to deduct style points.

On topic? While I somewhat like the concept, I don’t really want it happening. There would be an uproar about it, as some people already don’t like the idea of the Story Journal and “pay 200 Gems for a chapter you missed”.

Would you be in favor of a full-sized expansion pack for $50 instead?

I’d be in favor of new content of any stripe, especially if it would expand on lore in a forward-thinking way as opposed to looking backwards at what already has been covered.

The price tag . . . would have to be negotiable, if only because while I have a small spot in my budget for that sort of purchase, I know a lot of people don’t.

Does it really matter if it’s a gem purchase with gold to gem?

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Posted by: Xenon.4537

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No. it goes against their core philosophy. no player should have access to something that another player cannot have access to. although if you’re in the game, clearly someone paid to be there.

“goes against their core philosophy” They went against their core philosophy a long time ago adding ascended gear.

Explain this one, because what you could have said is “they’ve done it in the past with said Bonus Mission Pack”. Instead you had to bring up Ascended gear again. I’m going to have to deduct style points.

On topic? While I somewhat like the concept, I don’t really want it happening. There would be an uproar about it, as some people already don’t like the idea of the Story Journal and “pay 200 Gems for a chapter you missed”.

Would you be in favor of a full-sized expansion pack for $50 instead?

I’d be in favor of new content of any stripe, especially if it would expand on lore in a forward-thinking way as opposed to looking backwards at what already has been covered.

The price tag . . . would have to be negotiable, if only because while I have a small spot in my budget for that sort of purchase, I know a lot of people don’t.

So you wouldn’t pay a flat $50 for a package containing $50 worth of content? Instead you want to be able to pay for what you want with what you can afford? How is the plan for season 2 unacceptable under those terms? It will allow you access for free if you simply log in. If you don’t log in, you can pay for individual pieces of the content for very small fees (the price of a soda, really). If this is unacceptable, can you give an example of what you would find acceptable?

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Posted by: Tobias Trueflight.8350

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Does it really matter if it’s a gem purchase with gold to gem?

To me, no. To others, perhaps. Please try to understand my posts, I’m not complaining about it or saying I’m holding these things. Only that there’s been complaints about it being unfair.

So you wouldn’t pay a flat $50 for a package containing $50 worth of content? Instead you want to be able to pay for what you want with what you can afford? How is the plan for season 2 unacceptable under those terms? It will allow you access for free if you simply log in. If you don’t log in, you can pay for individual pieces of the content for very small fees (the price of a soda, really). If this is unacceptable, can you give an example of what you would find acceptable?

You’re not paying attention. I didn’t say I, myself was against it, merely there were complaints made about that system and how it’s unfair. I love that system, it would let me get access to something if, for instance, I have an issue like I did last year where my PC crapped itself and I was required to step back to an older one which could not run GW2 except on a clean boot.

I have no trouble, at all, with the system of the Story Journal other than it not having access to LS1 at this time.

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Posted by: Lilith Ajit.6173

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Tobias, correct me if I’m wrong, but if it’s possible to save your virtual pennies (gold) to purchase this (as long as it was a Permanent addition to the gem store) there really is no reason for a player who can’t pay real money to complain. If they want it, they can work hard to get it. There is no reason to make a clause like “if people don’t like the price yaddiyaddiyada” because of course they won’t. No one wants to buy things they don’t have to.

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Posted by: Cuddy.6247

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Looking back to my time with Guild Wars 1, I really enjoyed the stories in the Bonus Mission Pack. These were missions that had no impact on the original game or story, but did give some nice lore background, along with unique rewards. It only cost $10 to add to your account, so it was affordable.

Anet should consider doing more of these optional paid content for GW2. With the current storylines in place, there could be options to play as one of the characters in the Destiny’s Edge history. Play in Snaff’s past, or perhaps Caithe’s backstory. See Rytlock’s rise, or Logan’s fight to save the Queen. With Gems, all players could get access to bonus missions without having to pay real money.

Yes. Yes. Yes.

Taking this idea to the next level, players who do buy Gems with real money should get bonus, exclusive content! Something like a consumable that grants the ability to wear two full rune sets on armor.

No. No. No.

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Posted by: Tobias Trueflight.8350

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Tobias, correct me if I’m wrong, but if it’s possible to save your virtual pennies (gold) to purchase this (as long as it was a Permanent addition to the gem store) there really is no reason for a player who can’t pay real money to complain. If they want it, they can work hard to get it. There is no reason to make a clause like “if people don’t like the price yaddiyaddiyada” because of course they won’t. No one wants to buy things they don’t have to.

You’re wrong. This is the Internet, where people complain about “free” if it’s not something they want. They complain if something is sold which they want, because it should be free. (See: downloaded movies)

Every time someone seems to think there couldn’t possibly be complaints over an arrangement, I sigh and die a little inside. Because I know, unerringly and with experience, there is going to be some just because it can be done and there are some for which nothing is good enough a deal. Real life or Internet.

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Posted by: BrotherBelial.3094

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If the rewards for the side missions weren’t skills or too different stat wise than what is “free”, then I don’t think many will have a huge issue with it. Or too much loot (either quality or quantity).

The moment that there is a new skill or a super neat item that’s better stat wise, then it turns into pay to win. Or a higher percentage of loot or better quality loot

Unless you want those new skills to be just as useful as racial skills or the Mistfire Wolf Elite.

Which of course then turns into: why even bother paying for it if it isn’t going to be rewarding?

When I first got the Bonus Mission Pack for GW1, I didn’t do it for the rewards. I wanted to experience part of the Guild Wars lore.

Same for me. The weapons where a nice reward, but the game play was great fun.

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Posted by: Astralporing.1957

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No. it goes against their core philosophy. no player should have access to something that another player cannot have access to. although if you’re in the game, clearly someone paid to be there.

“goes against their core philosophy” They went against their core philosophy a long time ago adding ascended gear.

…..and that small stat gain from ascended gear has absolutely ruined the game for for those using exotics………..said no one.

Actually, quite a number of people did quit over this (and i mean quit, not simply stop playing), so you could say it had ruined the game for them. It certainly made the game worse in my eyes.

And as far as the gw1 bonus missions… 10 Euro is 800 gems. Why would they want to make a bunch of misssions for 800 gems, when they can just add another infinite harvest tool for 1000?

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Posted by: Lilith Ajit.6173

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Tobias, correct me if I’m wrong, but if it’s possible to save your virtual pennies (gold) to purchase this (as long as it was a Permanent addition to the gem store) there really is no reason for a player who can’t pay real money to complain. If they want it, they can work hard to get it. There is no reason to make a clause like “if people don’t like the price yaddiyaddiyada” because of course they won’t. No one wants to buy things they don’t have to.

You’re wrong. This is the Internet, where people complain about “free” if it’s not something they want. They complain if something is sold which they want, because it should be free. (See: downloaded movies)

Every time someone seems to think there couldn’t possibly be complaints over an arrangement, I sigh and die a little inside. Because I know, unerringly and with experience, there is going to be some just because it can be done and there are some for which nothing is good enough a deal. Real life or Internet.

Well, yeah. I guess I wasn’t talking about the people who complain about the air having oxygen in it. I meant the reasonable ones. I typically tune out the others… and I don’t form my arguments to appease them either which is why I responded how I did.

Miscommunication solved.

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Posted by: IndigoSundown.5419

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Taking this idea to the next level, players who do buy Gems with real money should get bonus, exclusive content! Something like a consumable that grants the ability to wear two full rune sets on armor.

No. No. No.

Content that would be like the BMP is very much niche content. It would do nothing for many demographics that currently play GW2. That said, tying something like additional rune use to such content would make it mandatory for WvW-only players who otherwise would have zero interest in such content. Worst idea I’ve seen in these forums.

So, as hannah says, “No!” But not just no. Gosh, no! Heck, No! Kitten, no!!!!!

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Posted by: Tobias Trueflight.8350

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Miscommunication solved.

Don’t worry bout it, I didn’t mind.

Honestly the best way I’d suggest doing this is adding some “deleted scene” type things available through the Story Journal after LS2 finishes.

“The ordeal is over but whatever happened to Timmy after we saved him from the well? Purchase this Extra Episode to find out, and have a chance for exclusive weapon models only found in this Extra Episode.”

That’d be almost in the spirit of what the BMP was back in the day, optional stuff to go through if you wanted the weapon skins. I personally didn’t like a lot of them so I only did two of the missions because I wanted to see the story (Saul’s Story and Gwen’s Story).

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Posted by: Fyrebrand.4859

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I just don’t understand the compulsion to make threads like this.

Do you want more content? Because I’m pretty sure they have their hands full with that right now, with Living Story Season 2 coming next month. They aren’t just sitting on their hands, waiting for when the moment is right to ask for $10 for some DLC bonus missions.

Do you want to pay more to support the game? There is still the gem store, with new things coming out for it all the time. This model is working great for them. If it weren’t, they would not continue to develop so many new gem store items and might pursue alternatives. They don’t need business advice.

But no, it’s not about being eager for more content, or supporting the game — those things are already taken care of. What this is about, is exclusivity. It’s not enough that you have disposable income to burn — you need that money to be the key that opens barriers to exclusive maps, stories, and perks that aren’t to be found in the regular game.

And don’t tell me “you can always trade in-game gold for gems,” because you have already stated specifically that “players who do buy Gems with real money should get bonus, exclusive content! Something like a consumable that grants the ability to wear two full rune sets on armor.” Wow, we’re really entering full-on pay-to-win territory here, aren’t we.

The entire premise of GW2’s model is that once you have the game, all the content is free to experience. There is a gem store for aesthetic items, conveniences, and general perks, but nothing required to play any content. Is that model not working for you? Because it seems to be working for ANet, GW2, and most players. They have stolidly resisted expansions and pay walls since the beginning, with no sign that they want to change this in the future — but when they feel the time is right for something like this, they will investigate it. They aren’t twiddling their thumbs in staff meetings, utterly confused about how to turn a profit, or desperately turning to the forums for financial advice from random players.

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Posted by: Azrael.4960

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For lore hunters, even a little bonus mission that all you got at the end was a token reward (as in a small thing not a token for exchange) but a tidbit into this story or that story. I mean, wouldn’t anyone want to know more about
- how the Sons of Svanir developed into a cult following Jora’s brother?
- what did Jora do after the events in EOTN?
- how did Scarlet convince the dredge and charr to form the molten alliance?

and the big one for me

- Just who is that colossus in Cliffside fractal?

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Posted by: dodgycookies.4562

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All about how they market it. If they say: new cosmetic weapon skin available in the gem store and if you buy it we will throw in a short instance about the lore behind the item. People could be ok with it.

If they say: new exclusive content available for gems and with special cosmetic rewards, people will freak out.

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Posted by: Tobias Trueflight.8350

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For lore hunters, even a little bonus mission that all you got at the end was a token reward (as in a small thing not a token for exchange) but a tidbit into this story or that story. I mean, wouldn’t anyone want to know more about
- how the Sons of Svanir developed into a cult following Jora’s brother?
- what did Jora do after the events in EOTN?
- how did Scarlet convince the dredge and charr to form the molten alliance?

and the big one for me

- Just who is that colossus in Cliffside fractal?

I’ve got a couple too, come to think of it.

- What happened to Zinn and his golems?
- Where is the Scepter of Orr?
- Where are the other Firstborn Sylvari not met so far?
- What happened to Glint’s progeny?
- Can I make asura travel farther with a trebuchet than with a catapult?

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