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Posted by: Nick.6972

Nick.6972

So now, after they add new Ascended Weapons, I’ll have to not not only buy Transmutation Stones but also spend who knows how long time crafting Ascended Greatsword to make my Foefire’s Essence useful again?

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Posted by: Snype Cyclos.7391

Snype Cyclos.7391

Quite an overdramatization.

Exotic and Ascended weapons will most likely not have that big of a stat difference, much like accessories. There will be an infusion slot, though, so if you Fractal you won’t be useless without one but it may make it easier.

The few weeks it takes you to play the game in order to accumulate the materials required to make an ascended weapon will not make your Foefire’s Essence un-useful. I would almost wager that you probably won’t even notice much of a difference, although I’m sure people will claim they do.

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Posted by: Nick.6972

Nick.6972

Yeah, no problem, with the current inflation I already expect gems to be 10G for 100 Gems soon.

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Posted by: Wolfheart.1938

Wolfheart.1938

Well you have Foefire’s Essence, I doubt gold is an issue for you.

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Posted by: Snype Cyclos.7391

Snype Cyclos.7391

I don’t think you understood my point. The content of this game is not getting harder with the introduction of Ascended weapons. Anything you can do now with an Exotic weapon you will still be able to do with an Exotic weapon. Quite frankly, the content of this game (with the exception of higher level Fractals) can very feasibly be done in all Rares, but people require Exotics for the simple fact that they’re there.

It’s like when you buy a TV, and a few months later a newer version of that TV comes out. It doesn’t make your TV useless, it still does all the things it did when you bought it. The idea that you NEED to have it is completely in your mind. Same goes for Ascended gear. If you want it, then you will put the time and energy required to get it because that’s what video games are. If not, then you won’t.

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Posted by: Tamaki Revolution.3548

Tamaki Revolution.3548

I consider the skin to be the only use of the weapon :P

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Posted by: LordKangus.1902

LordKangus.1902

I consider the skin to be the only use of the weapon :P

Truth! Here here!

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Posted by: ShadowPuppet.3746

ShadowPuppet.3746

I don’t think you understood my point. The content of this game is not getting harder with the introduction of Ascended weapons. Anything you can do now with an Exotic weapon you will still be able to do with an Exotic weapon. Quite frankly, the content of this game (with the exception of higher level Fractals) can very feasibly be done in all Rares, but people require Exotics for the simple fact that they’re there.

It’s like when you buy a TV, and a few months later a newer version of that TV comes out. It doesn’t make your TV useless, it still does all the things it did when you bought it. The idea that you NEED to have it is completely in your mind. Same goes for Ascended gear. If you want it, then you will put the time and energy required to get it because that’s what video games are. If not, then you won’t.

Yet, when you watch your tv another person can’t come along and say my tv is better you have to get a new tv or else you can’t watch tv. Watch what happens once the ascended items are available, the self appointed "leets’ will start their usual segregation campaign. Whether or not people actually need something versus wanting something is rather irrelevant, when Anet could have just stuck to their guns and made BiS gear easy to get like the current exotics and only make a cosmetic grind as they said they would.

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Posted by: Tobias Trueflight.8350

Tobias Trueflight.8350

I consider the skin to be the only use of the weapon :P

Truth! Here here!

THAT skin is well worth keeping, I’d say. Foefire’s Essence. Whew.

By the way, most exotics were pointless in some eyes if they weren’t precursors or the “cooler” skins. I personally think the Pearl exotics might as well not exist for me. Don’t like them.

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Posted by: Tobias Trueflight.8350

Tobias Trueflight.8350

It’s like when you buy a TV, and a few months later a newer version of that TV comes out. It doesn’t make your TV useless, it still does all the things it did when you bought it. The idea that you NEED to have it is completely in your mind. Same goes for Ascended gear. If you want it, then you will put the time and energy required to get it because that’s what video games are. If not, then you won’t.

I hate analogies like this, because we watched it happen in the US with digital TV.

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Posted by: ExTribble.7108

ExTribble.7108

It’s like when you buy a TV, and a few months later a newer version of that TV comes out. It doesn’t make your TV useless, it still does all the things it did when you bought it. The idea that you NEED to have it is completely in your mind. Same goes for Ascended gear. If you want it, then you will put the time and energy required to get it because that’s what video games are. If not, then you won’t.

I hate analogies like this, because we watched it happen in the US with digital TV.

Except that change was subsidized where the fancy new signal converter box (which is all you needed) was $40.00 for a cheap one and the subsidy you could request was $39.99 (iirc). This has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Again, exotics aren’t going to be useless. I’m not even going to bother with ascended on my alts simply because they can all already do any content they please with minimal effort. My main will be getting ascended just because I do fractals with it. If I didn’t do fractals, I really couldn’t care less about the change.

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Posted by: Chuo.4238

Chuo.4238

So now, after they add new Ascended Weapons, I’ll have to not not only buy Transmutation Stones but also spend who knows how long time crafting Ascended Greatsword to make my Foefire’s Essence useful again?

Yep. Enjoy your grind, and welcome to Grind Wars 2.

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Posted by: Tobias Trueflight.8350

Tobias Trueflight.8350

It’s like when you buy a TV, and a few months later a newer version of that TV comes out. It doesn’t make your TV useless, it still does all the things it did when you bought it. The idea that you NEED to have it is completely in your mind. Same goes for Ascended gear. If you want it, then you will put the time and energy required to get it because that’s what video games are. If not, then you won’t.

I hate analogies like this, because we watched it happen in the US with digital TV.

Except that change was subsidized where the fancy new signal converter box (which is all you needed) was $40.00 for a cheap one and the subsidy you could request was $39.99 (iirc). This has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

It’s another reason I hate analogies.

Again, exotics aren’t going to be useless. I’m not even going to bother with ascended on my alts simply because they can all already do any content they please with minimal effort. My main will be getting ascended just because I do fractals with it. If I didn’t do fractals, I really couldn’t care less about the change.

This is pretty much where I stand on this. Can I get an Ascended because I happen to be able to do it? Great! If not, well, I’m not going to expect to suddenly not be doing as well as I am currently.

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Posted by: Nick.6972

Nick.6972

It doesn’t matter until you go WvW.

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Posted by: Algreg.3629

Algreg.3629

again, how is that any news? ascended gear was announced as far back as last year and we all knew what would come of it. I acutaly quit over it back then temporarily. No, exotics are not pointless, they are now transitional gear, just like masterworks and rare are for exotics. That is the nature of gear progression. Some people love it, some people hate it, but I am quite puzzled about people being surprised now. Anyone who played this game long enough to acquire said gear should have known.

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Posted by: Tobias Trueflight.8350

Tobias Trueflight.8350

It doesn’t matter until you go WvW.

I barely go WvW now, being a ranger by trade and a mediocre one on my BEST days

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Posted by: Lokheit.7943

Lokheit.7943

Honestly it would’ve been better if they simply made it so you automatically got the extra experience from having those recipes discovered, but I guess it won’t matter much on the long time /shrug

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Posted by: Kyrel.8942

Kyrel.8942

You can do all PvE without Ascended. You don’t have to play catch up.

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Posted by: Prime.8792

Prime.8792

Last week, I purchased exotics for 50 silver. Actually, they are worth more now.

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Posted by: Chuo.4238

Chuo.4238

You can do all PvE without Ascended. You don’t have to play catch up.

Oh. Well. Dang. That makes it all good, then. No need to get it…

Um. Why, then, is it there?

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Posted by: Pelagato.6092

Pelagato.6092

I don’t think you understood my point. The content of this game is not getting harder with the introduction of Ascended weapons. Anything you can do now with an Exotic weapon you will still be able to do with an Exotic weapon. Quite frankly, the content of this game (with the exception of higher level Fractals) can very feasibly be done in all Rares, but people require Exotics for the simple fact that they’re there.

It’s like when you buy a TV, and a few months later a newer version of that TV comes out. It doesn’t make your TV useless, it still does all the things it did when you bought it. The idea that you NEED to have it is completely in your mind. Same goes for Ascended gear. If you want it, then you will put the time and energy required to get it because that’s what video games are. If not, then you won’t.

Yet, when you watch your tv another person can’t come along and say my tv is better you have to get a new tv or else you can’t watch tv. Watch what happens once the ascended items are available, the self appointed "leets’ will start their usual segregation campaign. Whether or not people actually need something versus wanting something is rather irrelevant, when Anet could have just stuck to their guns and made BiS gear easy to get like the current exotics and only make a cosmetic grind as they said they would.

Thumbs up, that is what GW1 used to be… I do believe GW2 should respect what GW1 is…

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Posted by: Chuo.4238

Chuo.4238

You know what’s funny?

I bet ANet are surprised by the negative response. Again. After 10 months…

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Posted by: DarcShriek.5829

DarcShriek.5829

Why would Anet be surprised? All this place does is complain.

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Posted by: Danikat.8537

Danikat.8537

My main character hit level 80 at the start of April. I almost immediately got a set of temple armor but I’ve been very slow to upgrade the rest of my gear, it’s a mix of exotic, rare and masterwork and some pieces may not even be level 80.

I haven’t tried WvW or Fractals so I can’t comment on those (and obviously PvP is not applicable) but I’ve yet to find something I can’t do in my current gear. In fact I’d even say it’s only the Gauntlet that I’ve found particularly challenging and that has more to do with my poor timing than anything else.

So I’m feeling pretty confident that not having ascended weapons (and armor when it comes out) won’t be an issue for me. I’ll get it eventually and I’m sure it’ll be a nice boost to my stats but it won’t be a game changer.

As for getting into groups for dungeons (or anything else) if people are insisting on ascended gear only then just ignore them and form your own group. I’m sure you won’t be the only one without it and all you need is 4 other people willing to go with you.

Unless you’re into hardcore speed clears I doubt it will even come up.

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Posted by: Tobias Trueflight.8350

Tobias Trueflight.8350

You can do all PvE without Ascended. You don’t have to play catch up.

Oh. Well. Dang. That makes it all good, then. No need to get it…

Um. Why, then, is it there?

To be gotten.

. . . seriously, if you’re going to agree on that point there’s no reason you require it? It’s only there right now to be had.

In the future however . . . well, nobody knows. Because we can’t tell exactly what’s coming, only that Ascended gear is going to be available. With Infusions and Agony Resistance included, to note.

Infer what you will.

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Posted by: Meglobob.8620

Meglobob.8620

You after salvage exotics to craft ascended so exotics are not useless after all…

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Posted by: IndigoSundown.5419

IndigoSundown.5419

Some people love it, some people hate it, but I am quite puzzled about people being surprised now.

I’m not surprised, just disgusted.

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Posted by: funkylovemonkey.3097

funkylovemonkey.3097

I’m more concerned about power creep. People already complain about how easy things are in this game. Now that ascended slowly enters every aspect of this game giving, from the numbers I’ve seen, something like a 10% boost to stats, eventually Anet will have to start increasing the difficulty of PvE to compensate. This happened in GW1 just in response to the fact that people were becoming more and more skilled, so they had to introduce more complicated enemy builds and better AI.

That was fine, because you still had a constant baseline of power. But now that your expanding vertical progression, power creep will become exaggerated to compensate both for a natural increase in the skill of the players and the artificial increase of power that players will have. Which eventually will mean that to be competitive at all, exotics will no longer be satisfactory and anything below that will be entirely useless, even more than they are now.

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Posted by: Pelagato.6092

Pelagato.6092

Why would Anet be surprised? All this place does is complain.

not at this magnitude… there is a difference between a small ground shake and a real earthquake…

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Posted by: morrolan.9608

morrolan.9608

again, how is that any news? ascended gear was announced as far back as last year and we all knew what would come of it. I acutaly quit over it back then temporarily. No, exotics are not pointless, they are now transitional gear, just like masterworks and rare are for exotics. That is the nature of gear progression. Some people love it, some people hate it, but I am quite puzzled about people being surprised now. Anyone who played this game long enough to acquire said gear should have known.

Whats news is the time gating (although it was quite easily inferred that there would be time gating) especially given that people not only have multiple alts but multiple weapon sets on each toon.

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Posted by: Chuo.4238

Chuo.4238

You can do all PvE without Ascended. You don’t have to play catch up.

Oh. Well. Dang. That makes it all good, then. No need to get it…

Um. Why, then, is it there?

To be gotten.

. . . seriously, if you’re going to agree on that point there’s no reason you require it? It’s only there right now to be had.

In the future however . . . well, nobody knows. Because we can’t tell exactly what’s coming, only that Ascended gear is going to be available. With Infusions and Agony Resistance included, to note.

Infer what you will.

I’d rather have a dungeon, or a new PvP map, or even a pastry. Anything with more imagination than gear grind. To be had? If it’s there at least there could be a concrete reason to need it.

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Posted by: AlietteFaye.7316

AlietteFaye.7316

No, exotics are not pointless, they are now transitional gear, just like masterworks and rare are for exotics. That is the nature of gear progression.

Is this a joke? I don’t think anybody got to level 80 and got all level 80 blues, then all level 80 greens, then all level 80 yellows, and then all level 80 exotics. A majority of players went straight to exotics because blues, greens, and yellows are junk and exotics were dirt cheap. There is no gear progression between the levels of blue→exotic, because there wasn’t anything to stop you from going straight to the best.

Not saying that it’s bad, it’s actually good. Or it used to be… not the point. There isn’t any gear progression.

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Posted by: Tobias Trueflight.8350

Tobias Trueflight.8350

You can do all PvE without Ascended. You don’t have to play catch up.

Oh. Well. Dang. That makes it all good, then. No need to get it…

Um. Why, then, is it there?

To be gotten.

. . . seriously, if you’re going to agree on that point there’s no reason you require it? It’s only there right now to be had.

In the future however . . . well, nobody knows. Because we can’t tell exactly what’s coming, only that Ascended gear is going to be available. With Infusions and Agony Resistance included, to note.

Infer what you will.

I’d rather have a dungeon, or a new PvP map, or even a pastry. Anything with more imagination than gear grind. To be had? If it’s there at least there could be a concrete reason to need it.

I don’t disagree with you.

. . . I could really go for some kolachis now.

I can only assume they’re putting it in now to prevent what happened with Guild Missions being all loaded into the same patch. Give people time to get these things in before some high-end event is added requiring AR.

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Posted by: Raine.1394

Raine.1394

Well, exotics are not exactly pointless, but rather just a point on an ever ascending (no pun intended) power curve. I have Foefire’s Essence as well as I think it is the perfect Guardian’s sword. It is very sad that a weapon like that is made obsolete as an end game goal. Vertical progression is a blight on every game in which it exists. It is no different here. It’s ironic as I left WoW for GW2, in part, to escape the gear grind.

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Posted by: Tobias Trueflight.8350

Tobias Trueflight.8350

Well, exotics are not exactly pointless, but rather just a point on an ever ascending (no pun intended) power curve. I have Foefire’s Essence as well as I think it is the perfect Guardian’s sword. It is very sad that a weapon like that is made obsolete as an end game goal. Vertical progression is a blight on every game in which it exists. It is no different here. It’s ironic as I left WoW for GW2, in part, to escape the gear grind.

Can I just ask, is it perfect from the statistic arrangement, or the look? Because we’ve established the look can be (painfully enough) transferred . . .

Also, I am trying to hang onto my Lionguard Axe for as long as I can. I earned that thing during Lost Shores :P

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Posted by: Xhyros.1340

Xhyros.1340

If they only have an infusion slot instead of a jewel/sigil slot, maybe not.

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Posted by: Tobias Trueflight.8350

Tobias Trueflight.8350

If they only have an infusion slot instead of a jewel/sigil slot, maybe not.

Been told they have one of each.

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Posted by: Nike.2631

Nike.2631

Honestly it would’ve been better if they simply made it so you automatically got the extra experience from having those recipes discovered, but I guess it won’t matter much on the long time /shrug

Well, I for one will have a crafting XP booster running when I relearn them… so there is some variability involved.

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Posted by: Razor.9872

Razor.9872

Watch the prices for exotics shoot up. You need to salvage them for dark matter.

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Posted by: cillercammy.8064

cillercammy.8064

I think all these angry posts sound quite ridiculous. Here are my thoughts!
-First: Anet stated last November that Ascended gear was supposed to be in game at launch, but didn’t make it do to budget and time constraints.
-Second: There is NO higher tier content being added with ascended weapons. Meaning you don’t even need them for any part of the game other than just having them with their MINIMAL stat increase. If you don’t want one, don’t craft one. It will not matter.
-Third: This is not a GearTreadmill nor is it a ItemSpiral. Those occur when new tiers are added every 2-4 months. It has now been over a year and we don’t even have a full tier added ( just rings, back pieces, trinkets and the soon to be weapons).
The thought of rage quitting a game over a new tier weapon with a tiny stat increase just sounds absurd. Do people expect Anet to still just hand out weapon skins 5 years down the road? I love new skins, but skin wars 2 won’t survive. People will not care in 5 years when they have over 600 new weapon skins in their bank. I think they have found a great balance to please both types of players. New tier for those who wont better stats but minimal enough so that no one needs them to appeal to those who don’t want them.
in the end I feel really bad for everyone who has or will rage quit. When all is said and done, I think Anet is doing a great job here. The game is growing, changing and in my opinion getting better with age. I feel bad for everyone who will miss out and such a great MMO down the road.

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Posted by: AlietteFaye.7316

AlietteFaye.7316

I think all these angry posts sound quite ridiculous. Here are my thoughts!
-First: Anet stated last November that Ascended gear was supposed to be in game at launch, but didn’t make it do to budget and time constraints.
-Second: There is NO higher tier content being added with ascended weapons. Meaning you don’t even need them for any part of the game other than just having them with their MINIMAL stat increase. If you don’t want one, don’t craft one. It will not matter.
-Third: This is not a GearTreadmill nor is it a ItemSpiral. Those occur when new tiers are added every 2-4 months. It has now been over a year and we don’t even have a full tier added ( just rings, back pieces, trinkets and the soon to be weapons).
The thought of rage quitting a game over a new tier weapon with a tiny stat increase just sounds absurd. Do people expect Anet to still just hand out weapon skins 5 years down the road? I love new skins, but skin wars 2 won’t survive. People will not care in 5 years when they have over 600 new weapon skins in their bank. I think they have found a great balance to please both types of players. New tier for those who wont better stats but minimal enough so that no one needs them to appeal to those who don’t want them.
in the end I feel really bad for everyone who has or will rage quit. When all is said and done, I think Anet is doing a great job here. The game is growing, changing and in my opinion getting better with age. I feel bad for everyone who will miss out and such a great MMO down the road.

I don’t see the logic behind this. You claim that the game won’t add new tiers and keep adding to the power creep, right? And yet you claim that the game also won’t survive if all they add is new skins instead of higher stat gear.

So which will they be adding? New stats, or new skins? Oh, new skins. Just like they had originally planned from the start, a game about easily being on equal footing and having aesthetics (as well as “fun”) be the main factors of why people would do specific content.

So then we’re on the same page. There’s not a single reason that these items should have higher stats on them.

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Posted by: IndigoSundown.5419

IndigoSundown.5419

I think all these angry posts sound quite ridiculous. Here are my thoughts!
-First: Anet stated last November that Ascended gear was supposed to be in game at launch, but didn’t make it do to budget and time constraints.
-Second: There is NO higher tier content being added with ascended weapons. Meaning you don’t even need them for any part of the game other than just having them with their MINIMAL stat increase. If you don’t want one, don’t craft one. It will not matter.
-Third: This is not a GearTreadmill nor is it a ItemSpiral. Those occur when new tiers are added every 2-4 months. It has now been over a year and we don’t even have a full tier added ( just rings, back pieces, trinkets and the soon to be weapons).
The thought of rage quitting a game over a new tier weapon with a tiny stat increase just sounds absurd. Do people expect Anet to still just hand out weapon skins 5 years down the road? I love new skins, but skin wars 2 won’t survive. People will not care in 5 years when they have over 600 new weapon skins in their bank. I think they have found a great balance to please both types of players. New tier for those who wont better stats but minimal enough so that no one needs them to appeal to those who don’t want them.
in the end I feel really bad for everyone who has or will rage quit. When all is said and done, I think Anet is doing a great job here. The game is growing, changing and in my opinion getting better with age. I feel bad for everyone who will miss out and such a great MMO down the road.

Thing is, the things that made the game great were what was in it at launch. What’s been added since is mostly click this and zerg that, a gear tier whose only reason for existence is to appease gear grinders and some mini-games.

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Posted by: xephire.8324

xephire.8324

I think all these angry posts sound quite ridiculous. Here are my thoughts!
-First: Anet stated last November that Ascended gear was supposed to be in game at launch, but didn’t make it do to budget and time constraints.
-Second: There is NO higher tier content being added with ascended weapons. Meaning you don’t even need them for any part of the game other than just having them with their MINIMAL stat increase. If you don’t want one, don’t craft one. It will not matter.
-Third: This is not a GearTreadmill nor is it a ItemSpiral. Those occur when new tiers are added every 2-4 months. It has now been over a year and we don’t even have a full tier added ( just rings, back pieces, trinkets and the soon to be weapons).
The thought of rage quitting a game over a new tier weapon with a tiny stat increase just sounds absurd. Do people expect Anet to still just hand out weapon skins 5 years down the road? I love new skins, but skin wars 2 won’t survive. People will not care in 5 years when they have over 600 new weapon skins in their bank. I think they have found a great balance to please both types of players. New tier for those who wont better stats but minimal enough so that no one needs them to appeal to those who don’t want them.
in the end I feel really bad for everyone who has or will rage quit. When all is said and done, I think Anet is doing a great job here. The game is growing, changing and in my opinion getting better with age. I feel bad for everyone who will miss out and such a great MMO down the road.

Thing is, the things that made the game great were what was in it at launch. What’s been added since is mostly click this and zerg that, a gear tier whose only reason for existence is to appease gear grinders and some mini-games.

This i like ^^

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Posted by: Shifu.4321

Shifu.4321

I think all these angry posts sound quite ridiculous. Here are my thoughts!
-First: Anet stated last November that Ascended gear was supposed to be in game at launch, but didn’t make it do to budget and time constraints.
-Second: There is NO higher tier content being added with ascended weapons. Meaning you don’t even need them for any part of the game other than just having them with their MINIMAL stat increase. If you don’t want one, don’t craft one. It will not matter.
-Third: This is not a GearTreadmill nor is it a ItemSpiral. Those occur when new tiers are added every 2-4 months. It has now been over a year and we don’t even have a full tier added ( just rings, back pieces, trinkets and the soon to be weapons).
The thought of rage quitting a game over a new tier weapon with a tiny stat increase just sounds absurd. Do people expect Anet to still just hand out weapon skins 5 years down the road? I love new skins, but skin wars 2 won’t survive. People will not care in 5 years when they have over 600 new weapon skins in their bank. I think they have found a great balance to please both types of players. New tier for those who wont better stats but minimal enough so that no one needs them to appeal to those who don’t want them.
in the end I feel really bad for everyone who has or will rage quit. When all is said and done, I think Anet is doing a great job here. The game is growing, changing and in my opinion getting better with age. I feel bad for everyone who will miss out and such a great MMO down the road.

How many people will settle for anything less than BiS? How many people are wearing rares right now instead of exotics? I’m sure it will be far less than those who want the BiS. It’s just human nature.

No matter how small the stat increase, there always be some nagging voice in the heads of many players that will compel them to do something they don’t enjoy (grind) just to be exactly where they were before (having best in slot). Heck, you’re right! There isn’t even any new content for ascended weapons to make sense, so it’s basically adding absolutely nothing to the game except for grinding a bit more.

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Posted by: Tobias Trueflight.8350

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How many people will settle for anything less than BiS? How many people are wearing rares right now instead of exotics? I’m sure it will be far less than those who want the BiS. It’s just human nature.

(Whistles)

Over here! Hi. You were talking about me, I see.

The only reason I got Exotic armor, and the only reason I got an Ascended backpiece recently, is because I got the armor with less effort than to just “ride the event to the chest at the Temple of Balthazar and get them for karma”. Which I had truckloads of from when I didn’t have anything to spend it on worth anything to me.

(By the way, yes, I buy Lost Orrian Jewelry Boxes now. Because that Karma isn’t useful for me for anything else right now.)

Why the Ascended backpiece? When I was organizing inventory and saw I was more than halfway there and had the money? I finished it in three clicks and a walk from Black Lion to the Mystic Forge. If I hadn’t had that much . . . which I hadn’t until Monday . . . I wouldn’t have bothered.

Same with Ascended. I’ll get it when it’s not going to cost me too much going out of the way. Otherwise it can stay where it is and I won’t care.

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Posted by: Akari Storm.6809

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How many people will settle for anything less than BiS? How many people are wearing rares right now instead of exotics? I’m sure it will be far less than those who want the BiS. It’s just human nature.

(Whistles)

Over here! Hi. You were talking about me, I see.

The only reason I got Exotic armor, and the only reason I got an Ascended backpiece recently, is because I got the armor with less effort than to just “ride the event to the chest at the Temple of Balthazar and get them for karma”. Which I had truckloads of from when I didn’t have anything to spend it on worth anything to me.

(By the way, yes, I buy Lost Orrian Jewelry Boxes now. Because that Karma isn’t useful for me for anything else right now.)

Why the Ascended backpiece? When I was organizing inventory and saw I was more than halfway there and had the money? I finished it in three clicks and a walk from Black Lion to the Mystic Forge. If I hadn’t had that much . . . which I hadn’t until Monday . . . I wouldn’t have bothered.

Same with Ascended. I’ll get it when it’s not going to cost me too much going out of the way. Otherwise it can stay where it is and I won’t care.

Difference between that back and these weapons, is the time-gated portion. You are going to have to consciously work on them.

This sets a bad precedent in my eyes. Armor is only around the corner folks. You should have 1 character fully ascended (for 1 build) by 2015.

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Posted by: cillercammy.8064

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I think all these angry posts sound quite ridiculous. Here are my thoughts!
-First: Anet stated last November that Ascended gear was supposed to be in game at launch, but didn’t make it do to budget and time constraints.
-Second: There is NO higher tier content being added with ascended weapons. Meaning you don’t even need them for any part of the game other than just having them with their MINIMAL stat increase. If you don’t want one, don’t craft one. It will not matter.
-Third: This is not a GearTreadmill nor is it a ItemSpiral. Those occur when new tiers are added every 2-4 months. It has now been over a year and we don’t even have a full tier added ( just rings, back pieces, trinkets and the soon to be weapons).
The thought of rage quitting a game over a new tier weapon with a tiny stat increase just sounds absurd. Do people expect Anet to still just hand out weapon skins 5 years down the road? I love new skins, but skin wars 2 won’t survive. People will not care in 5 years when they have over 600 new weapon skins in their bank. I think they have found a great balance to please both types of players. New tier for those who wont better stats but minimal enough so that no one needs them to appeal to those who don’t want them.
in the end I feel really bad for everyone who has or will rage quit. When all is said and done, I think Anet is doing a great job here. The game is growing, changing and in my opinion getting better with age. I feel bad for everyone who will miss out and such a great MMO down the road.

I don’t see the logic behind this. You claim that the game won’t add new tiers and keep adding to the power creep, right? And yet you claim that the game also won’t survive if all they add is new skins instead of higher stat gear.

So which will they be adding? New stats, or new skins? Oh, new skins. Just like they had originally planned from the start, a game about easily being on equal footing and having aesthetics (as well as “fun”) be the main factors of why people would do specific content.

So then we’re on the same page. There’s not a single reason that these items should have higher stats on them.

There is a reason why they are doing this. Anet does their homework. Ascended gear will not make this game tank. I’m happy with what they are doing and I know many other people are happy as well.

If people just want collect and play with skins they shouldn’t play mmo’s and just pick up the new animal crossing. It got good reviews and has tons of skins.

Listen I’m not saying I need new tiers. I’d love new story content and to see the world grow and change more. However unlike me, most mmo players don’t care about story or doing things simply Because they are fun. most mmo players like to chase goals and gear is a big one for them.

Be thankful Anet chose to do it this way! Be happy they didnt do a geartreadmill!!
they found a balance…

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Posted by: Tobias Trueflight.8350

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Difference between that back and these weapons, is the time-gated portion. You are going to have to consciously work on them.

I probably will, only because I am a crafting . . . yeah not putting that word on the forums . . . a crafting FOOL. I like to play with the crafting in games and mess around, maybe work on filling supplies “just in case” in some instances. And if I’m not doing anything with that material anyway (hint, I’m usually not, it just sits . . . except for during the Bazaar where it was emptied out) . . . why not?

This sets a bad precedent in my eyes. Armor is only around the corner folks. You should have 1 character fully ascended (for 1 build) by 2015.

ehhh . . . precedent I can’t quite argue with, because you’re right if you want to take this in that direction.

On the other hand, the last pure MMO I played? I’d have been happier to know I’d get them “eventually” geared through work rather than having to get lucky to roll on gear or “auction” with DKP. There is no amount of awesome story, or graphics, which would make me willingly sign up for an MMO of that level of craziness.

Well . . . there is exactly ONE, but that’s because I like Monster Hunter and could convince two friends I know to team up and take it on.

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Posted by: Zero Day.2594

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Be thankful Anet chose to do it this way! Be happy they didnt do a geartreadmill!!
they found a balance…

could they have done it without the time gating bullkitten? easier acquisition?

balance? lol, those that dont log in every day to get their time gated kitten will fall behind…. yeah everyone is going to be on the same playing field when someone is running around in exotics because they didnt log in for a month and someone thats in ascended. Balanced!

geartreadmill – um yeah they did…? first introduced ascended trinks/accs (let the people chase that a bit), now, later, they release weapons…. hmmm o yeah and later armor too …. hmmmm no it’s not an entirely new tier, it’s bits of the tier that’s being chased.

Be thankful – yeah i like gw2, some things i hate about it, this patch or at least the ascended i wish they dont release (and re-think, better it).

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Posted by: ArchonWing.9480

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They’re not worthless. We still got skins and stuff, as well as stopgaps.

The main problem is that it is important to balance content so that the highest level of gear at max level won’t just faceroll it— err… even more. If we keep the exotic standard and introduce the gear, then the game will naturally become even easier. If content gets harder, then well… it just suddenly become more required.

It’s just something to think about when you consider new content. Granted it shifted 10% only, but it’s still 10% more of an issue.

I most likely won’t mind getting some, but this will certainly affect me regardless.

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