Guild Wars 2

Meh, all you need to do is enter the map to figure out what’s going on.

anabasis.7346:

Axelwarrior.9084:

Indie.4129:

You realize if it is in fact an exploit you are likely to get banned as well for making a public thread and increasing the popularity of it right?

So making a thread to ask about reporting people for doing an exploit is gonna get me banned? That’s even more ridiculous than the exploit itself

Rules of conduct:
You will not exploit any bug in Guild Wars 2 and you will not communicate the existence of any such exploitable bug (bugs that grant the user unnatural or unintended benefits) either directly or through public posting, to any other user of Guild Wars 2.

There have been other threads about this very same issue in the last few days and they all were removed from the forum. Then you come here and open a new thread explaining where and how to perform the exploit. On top of that you would want to report the farmers so hopefully they get banned but you don’t want anything bad to happen to your account even though you’ve communicated the exploit via public posting. The irony lol

You should have submitted a ticket instead, asking a GM to solve your doubts instead of making the exploit public.

I asked whether I should be reporting the players doing it and how I should do it.
Also, the message you posted refers to bugs and not events. Saying the location of an event is quite different from saying how to complete a dungeon without fighting core bosses or something

Axelwarrior.9084:

Indie.4129:

You realize if it is in fact an exploit you are likely to get banned as well for making a public thread and increasing the popularity of it right?

So making a thread to ask about reporting people for doing an exploit is gonna get me banned? That’s even more ridiculous than the exploit itself

Perhaps, but it was in the exploit explanation you posted. So regardless of intention, you are drawing attention to the issue and publicizing an “exploit” likely resulting in even more people doing it, more people friending the farmers, and as a result more farmers raging at the people trying to do it legitimately.

I seen this event your talking about last night, and personally I found it boring and left, I wouldn’t overly worry about it, Anets nerf team will be on the case soon im sure, and will make that the event is destroyed completely, be it successful or not, that’s how they role in Orr,

They need to fix the drops across level 80 zones, if they made loot in general better, people would not flock to 1 event over and over and over.

Guys since you are all super clever, care to help me understand one thing ?

People complain that precursors are expensive. They happened to be the me who cry about high T6 prices. THEY ARE ALSO the ones who are crying here that farming is bad because they don’t want to do it so nobody should be able to do it…

Why this ? You are given what you want, cheap swag. And you want it gone. Just wow…

Enaretos.8079:

Guys since you are all super clever, care to help me understand one thing ?

People complain that precursors are expensive. They happened to be the me who cry about high T6 prices. THEY ARE ALSO the ones who are crying here that farming is bad because they don’t want to do it so nobody should be able to do it…

Why this ? You are given what you want, cheap swag. And you want it gone. Just wow…

You didn’t answer my question on the first page

Axelwarrior.9084:

You didn’t answer my question on the first page

Right, I thought it was obvious…

Basically this is a champ box and materials farm. Very little gold is generated.

Since the idea is to sell all mats/exotics on the TP the increased competition drives prices down. This is good for everyone from an economic point of view : the offer is slowly meeting the demand.

Enaretos.8079:

Guys since you are all super clever, care to help me understand one thing ?

People complain that precursors are expensive. They happened to be the me who cry about high T6 prices. THEY ARE ALSO the ones who are crying here that farming is bad because they don’t want to do it so nobody should be able to do it…

Why this ? You are given what you want, cheap swag. And you want it gone. Just wow…

There are plenty of legitimate farms, so trying to say that it is only the ones like this that help bring down prices is false. Anet even added more ways to get boxes with Dry Top. Situations like this foster a toxic player base, where players are discouraged from and often actively abused for trying to complete events. It doesn’t foster a friendly community.
We all like to make gold, and there are plenty of ways to do it. We don’t need to keep the ones that create friction in the game community.

leebe.2093:

failing an event is not an exploit

Failing an event because of being unprepared or poor play isn’t an exploit, BUT, purposely failing an event to reap the benefits(drops) OVER AND OVER AND OVER IS.

Enaretos.8079:

Axelwarrior.9084:

You didn’t answer my question on the first page

Right, I thought it was obvious…

Basically this is a champ box and materials farm. Very little gold is generated.

Since the idea is to sell all mats/exotics on the TP the increased competition drives prices down. This is good for everyone from an economic point of view : the offer is slowly meeting the demand.

Exactly, Supply/Demand will determine prices. Currently we have a high demand and a quite limited supply, this has lead to the increase in prices. We have a slow but steady inflation in the game but not one that’s really detrimental as again, it’s very slow. This inflation comes from mainly Dungeons and things that generate cash without draining it as well.

With Material Farming, which is what is happening in Orr, we have an increase in supply, which means a lower price. But not only that, you also have listing fees. If I sell a 65s powerful blood then 9.75 silver is leaving the game through fees. So not only does this lower prices by increasing supply, it also helps fight inflation by draining money out of the economy. While you do get some silver out of the champ boxes you’re looking at a couple silver, not even enough to pay the fees of the t6 material sales.

So please, Material Farmers keep doing what you’re doing. Flippers keep doing what you’re doing. That way my dungeon tours aren’t hurting the economy too bad

To add, the only ones being hurt by this are people who need an event done for a trait (no clue if that happens here, just throwing it out as a possibility). And, those who are doing other less efficient farms for the same materials.

Enaretos.8079:

Axelwarrior.9084:

You didn’t answer my question on the first page

Right, I thought it was obvious…

Basically this is a champ box and materials farm. Very little gold is generated.

Since the idea is to sell all mats/exotics on the TP the increased competition drives prices down. This is good for everyone from an economic point of view : the offer is slowly meeting the demand.

Right, I didn’t think of it that way…
But the gilded coffers also drop gold. Not much, but it definitely adds up when you’re getting them constantly.

Im Mudbone.1437:

leebe.2093:

failing an event is not an exploit

Failing an event because of being unprepared or poor play isn’t an exploit, BUT, purposely failing an event to reap the benefits(drops) OVER AND OVER AND OVER IS.

the benefits (drops) are the same per event whether it fails or not and doing an event over and over is definitely not an exploit, thats why we have DR

leebe.2093:

Im Mudbone.1437:

leebe.2093:

failing an event is not an exploit

Failing an event because of being unprepared or poor play isn’t an exploit, BUT, purposely failing an event to reap the benefits(drops) OVER AND OVER AND OVER IS.

the benefits (drops) are the same per event whether it fails or not and doing an event over and over is definitely not an exploit, thats why we have DR

When the event fails, though, it re-starts faster and the “rewards over time”, if you will, are more.

I fully expect this event to be nerfed into oblivion soon.

Sharen Graves.1276:

Do the event with them and make it pass every time you get the chance.

Worst advice ever. Don’t ever do that regardless of whether something truly is an exploit or not.

There hasn’t been an official statement from ANet regarding this event yet so as it stands there is nothing wrong with it in terms of performance.

Even if there was, don’t go pretending to be a GM let these people farm and stay the hell away from that place.

If you try to screw their farm they’ll just report you and jump to the next map. Then if the bans follow, you might get banned yourself together with them simply for being there regularly to troll.

Now, as for whether it’s an exploit or not, I think it’s not. You don’t really exploit any bugs or glitches there like you would in fractals or ac for example. No going off map, no glitching of AI. It’s more of a strategy than anything.

The event will most likely get nerfed in the next patch because the rewards are pretty insane.

Either way, don’t go there to troll, nothing good will come out of it.

Enaretos.8079:

Axelwarrior.9084:

You didn’t answer my question on the first page

Right, I thought it was obvious…

Basically this is a champ box and materials farm. Very little gold is generated.

Since the idea is to sell all mats/exotics on the TP the increased competition drives prices down. This is good for everyone from an economic point of view : the offer is slowly meeting the demand.

When players are farming unhealthy numbers of champ bags per day.. I am pretty sure the last thing on their mind is helping the economy to be driven down.. 200-400 bags is no issue for many of the players and they can drop a lot more than just a few T5/T6 materials.. and the event coin like any event is just extra cream on top of what can be earned for the mats, the trash items and even more sought after items like Pre-cursors etc themselves.. … they don’t farm it to help others they farm it for themselves and their own gains, what happens aside of that is merely a smoke screen excuse.

leebe.2093:

Im Mudbone.1437:

leebe.2093:

failing an event is not an exploit

Failing an event because of being unprepared or poor play isn’t an exploit, BUT, purposely failing an event to reap the benefits(drops) OVER AND OVER AND OVER IS.

the benefits (drops) are the same per event whether it fails or not and doing an event over and over is definitely not an exploit, thats why we have DR

Oh cmon stop trying to justify the exploit… if it succeeds with scaling you might loot 5 – 8 champs tops.. then wait 40 – 60 mins for the event to respawn as the event chain is able to complete its full course with Jofast, thus icreasing the time between Blix tunnel respawning …
Now take the fail route and translate that to 5-8 champ bags with enormous amounts of zerg scaling every 5-10mins… all day long makes for a poorly thought out game design abut one that is still not there to be exploited and abused like it is currently.

Bloodstealer.5978:

Enaretos.8079:

Axelwarrior.9084:

You didn’t answer my question on the first page

Right, I thought it was obvious…

Basically this is a champ box and materials farm. Very little gold is generated.

Since the idea is to sell all mats/exotics on the TP the increased competition drives prices down. This is good for everyone from an economic point of view : the offer is slowly meeting the demand.

When players are farming unhealthy numbers of champ bags per day.. I am pretty sure the last thing on their mind is helping the economy to be driven down.. 200-400 bags is no issue for many of the players and they can drop a lot more than just a few T5/T6 materials.. and the event coin like any event is just extra cream on top of what can be earned for the mats, the trash items and even more sought after items like Pre-cursors etc themselves.. … they don’t farm it to help others they farm it for themselves and their own gains, what happens aside of that is merely a smoke screen excuse.

Label it whatever you want to label it, fact is more mats in the economy is a good thing right now. Prices have nearly doubled in the last 5 months. I’m a Dungeon guy and I’m very happy that people farm materials because without it I hate to imagine what the prices might be.

Bloodstealer.5978:

Oh cmon stop trying to justify the exploit…

then stop calling it an exploit…

players are doing exactly what this event was designed to do, if you think theres a flaw in this design then complain to ANet, don’t hate the player

leebe.2093:

Bloodstealer.5978:

Oh cmon stop trying to justify the exploit…

then stop calling it an exploit…

players are doing exactly what this event was designed to do, if you think theres a flaw in this design then complain to ANet, don’t hate the player

Well then people who try to make the event succeed, everyone else should stop harassing them,.

Ayrilana.1396:

Well then people who try to make the event succeed, everyone else should stop harassing them,.

I agree and Ive seen players there say the same thing, be nice

It’d just be nice to have a clear answer on things like this. I’ve always been the type to hold the game makers responsible for exploits instead of the players. They’re the ones making the game, so it’s up to them to test out things like this. That’s the whole purpose of beta testing. Then when public betas started it gave development teams a fresh eye on how to iron out bugs. Sort of like casino’s hiring ex thieves and con artists to spot others like them. But now it’s just a tool used for advertising. This whole issue could have been fixed or avoided in the design stages of the game with just a little foresight. Not to mention the rules for exploiting aren’t very encompassing. It leaves A.net with the ability to watch and if they don’t like something, they can hammer people over it and simply say – “This isn’t what we intended.” And not have to be held accountable for creative gaming.

A simple decision from A.net – “Failing events over and over for the purposes of (Whatever)” would make things nice and easy. Instead they remain quiet and nerf things into the ground, inevitably making it harder to make money. Pretty soon the only way to make money in this game is to dungeon grind. Sorry, but that’s one of the reasons I quit WoW.

I’m not gonna grind. And I’m certainly not gonna spend my hard earned cash on a game that feels like a rushed beta and no clear definitions on what’s legit and what isn’t. Sometimes playing this game makes me feel like I’m walking across a mine field and if you step on a mine, you get banned.

Axelwarrior.9084:

Dalanor.5387:

Axelwarrior.9084:

Dalanor.5387:

Now farming is an exploit too? GW2 community makes me sicker day by day …

ps: Remember what happened at the ember farm. ANet just changed the event.

/thread

And at the linen farm, people were banned, apparently

These are two completely different situations and issues.

And yes, they are gaining an unfair advantage. If I’m busting my kitten off doing dungeons all day to make gold, I certainly don’t want people making more gold than me with a lot less effort.

Proof? Source? Reliable statistics? Envy is one of the deadly sins, don’t do it mate.

May be so, but ANet has not explicitly announced their opinion on this method yet. Until they have, we can’t know for sure.
Sure, I can’t reliably prove that it’s true (and never said so), but you can’t prove that it’s the opposite either. And I’m not being envious. If I wanted to, I could join in on the free gold as well. What I want is justice and fairness.

Khyber.2693:

Implying that running around Orr for several hours does not take effort and work. Don’t get me wrong, I run dungeons too. Most of them take zero effort. The only ones that take actual effort are aetherpath and arah. I run a set of dungeons every day, it’s easy peasy. You have to be an idiot to be bad at them. What I’m saying is that there should be more than one way to make good money in this game. As of right now you run dungeons, become an econ pro and flip the tp, or pay with your credit card. I would rather not have my favorite farming spot nerfed, I have fun there. This is a game, you should be able to make money doing something you deem fun.

On the dungeon topic though, you can’t be serious. If you don’t think running into a wall with FGS and stacking everywhere to avoid boss mechanics is exploiting than you need to go see a doctor. Clearly dungeons where not meant to be ran that way, but we do it anyway, and it hasnt been stopped by Anet. Dungeons aren’t difficult. So why should Orr be “fixed”? Even with the event failing we still make less than you. So stop crying, keep running your dungeons, and leave us farmers in peace.

I’m not “implying” it, I’m straight up saying that you can do the Blix farm one-handed, with one eye closed, your dodge key disabled and while watching your favorite show in a different window. Are you seriously trying to say that running dungeons doesn’t take more effort?

As for the other topic, I said that it’s not related to the issue we’re discussing here. That’s why I don’t plan to talk about it. If you want to complain, make a topic on the Dungeon sub forum and I’ll be right there to discuss and present my opinion.
As for the “we still make less than you”, I’ll believe it when you prove it.

TrOtskY.5927:

Dear OP

why on earth would you report somebody for doing something that has literally zero negative effect on yourself?
Don’t be a tattle tale, nobody likes tattle tales. You should have learned that when you were in school but some people never seem to get that lesson.

Stop being a square everybody, let people farm if they want.

Thanks.

Like I said above, all I want is justice and fairness.
If you replace the word “farm” with “exploit”, you might see the error of your thought process.

Fine then, we wont discuss it, but pve in this game is really easy. Nothing in it is hard, and there needs to be more ways of making money than dungeons.

Bro really? We’re not even making as much as the people running dungeons, even when we do fail events. Stop being jealous and trying to get every other fun way of making money kicked out of this game. If people like you keep kittening it will get nerfed again and then my favorite social spot and farming area will be gone, all because people like you got kitten :/ “oh noes open world farmers may be makin close to as much as i do, better whine and qq about them even though they dont affect me at all!” Seriously, leave.Orr.Alone. We aren’t harming you or anyone for that matter, most of us are just there to farm mats and whatnot. Us getting more drops will actually help with the high prices of mats on the tp right now, big time.

We’re not your enemy, not sure why you think we are. Even when we fail events we still don’t make the money that you do. So no, you’re not out for “justice” you’re out to ruin Orr again. Stop acting so jealous and entitled and let us have our fun out in Orr, we’re not hurting you.

Jerus.4350:

Bloodstealer.5978:

Enaretos.8079:

Axelwarrior.9084:

You didn’t answer my question on the first page

Right, I thought it was obvious…

Basically this is a champ box and materials farm. Very little gold is generated.

Since the idea is to sell all mats/exotics on the TP the increased competition drives prices down. This is good for everyone from an economic point of view : the offer is slowly meeting the demand.

When players are farming unhealthy numbers of champ bags per day.. I am pretty sure the last thing on their mind is helping the economy to be driven down.. 200-400 bags is no issue for many of the players and they can drop a lot more than just a few T5/T6 materials.. and the event coin like any event is just extra cream on top of what can be earned for the mats, the trash items and even more sought after items like Pre-cursors etc themselves.. … they don’t farm it to help others they farm it for themselves and their own gains, what happens aside of that is merely a smoke screen excuse.

Label it whatever you want to label it, fact is more mats in the economy is a good thing right now. Prices have nearly doubled in the last 5 months. I’m a Dungeon guy and I’m very happy that people farm materials because without it I hate to imagine what the prices might be.

^ This.

The farmers are actually helping the economy right now. If you actively try to get Orr nerfed again then you have no right to complain about mats being expensive.

Seems this event has a failsafe built in, or we bugged it. We ran back thru the tunnel and everything was invincible. All npc’s were gone and was rather funny! Everyone moved on.

Khyber.2693:

Jerus.4350:

Bloodstealer.5978:

Enaretos.8079:

Axelwarrior.9084:

You didn’t answer my question on the first page

Right, I thought it was obvious…

Basically this is a champ box and materials farm. Very little gold is generated.

Since the idea is to sell all mats/exotics on the TP the increased competition drives prices down. This is good for everyone from an economic point of view : the offer is slowly meeting the demand.

When players are farming unhealthy numbers of champ bags per day.. I am pretty sure the last thing on their mind is helping the economy to be driven down.. 200-400 bags is no issue for many of the players and they can drop a lot more than just a few T5/T6 materials.. and the event coin like any event is just extra cream on top of what can be earned for the mats, the trash items and even more sought after items like Pre-cursors etc themselves.. … they don’t farm it to help others they farm it for themselves and their own gains, what happens aside of that is merely a smoke screen excuse.

Label it whatever you want to label it, fact is more mats in the economy is a good thing right now. Prices have nearly doubled in the last 5 months. I’m a Dungeon guy and I’m very happy that people farm materials because without it I hate to imagine what the prices might be.

^ This.

The farmers are actually helping the economy right now. If you actively try to get Orr nerfed again then you have no right to complain about mats being expensive.

Explain exactly how this is helping the economy. Please don’t confuse helping yourselves to helping the economy.

Because of supply and demand. It keeps prices for T5-6 mats in check, making them available to a larger amount of players. Otherwise, you have Vicious Fangs that only the ‘wealthy’ can afford, as the rising price of scarce materials outstrips the slow inflation of gold. Having commodities affordable to the middle class creates a robust economy where people are willing to spend their gold instead of hoard it.

synk.8762:

Because of supply and demand. It keeps prices for T5-6 mats in check, making them available to a larger amount of players. Otherwise, you have Vicious Fangs that only the ‘wealthy’ can afford, as the rising price of scarce materials outstrips the slow inflation of gold. Having commodities affordable to the middle class creates a robust economy where people are willing to spend their gold instead of hoard it.

Lol. Those prices have been pretty stable so no, I’m not buying that reasoning. What you’re describing is about helping yourselves rather than the economy. With the amount of players participating in this at the moment, it’s really having no impact on the economy. All it’s doing is helping players get the tier 6 mats either to use or to sell.

If intentionally failing an event to farm prevents a Meta event from completing, like the temples, ANet has done something about those cases. Also in those cases, completing it has brought verbal abuse from the farmers onto those completing it. Verbal abuse is something that ANet will take notice.

Ayrilana.1396:

Lol. Those prices have been pretty stable so no, I’m not buying that reasoning. What you’re describing is about helping yourselves rather than the economy. With the amount of players participating in this at the moment, it’s really having no impact on the economy. All it’s doing is helping players get the tier 6 mats either to use or to sell.

You can Lol. all you’d like, but you’d be wrong.
http://www.gw2spidy.com/item/24295

synk.8762:

Ayrilana.1396:

Lol. Those prices have been pretty stable so no, I’m not buying that reasoning. What you’re describing is about helping yourselves rather than the economy. With the amount of players participating in this at the moment, it’s really having no impact on the economy. All it’s doing is helping players get the tier 6 mats either to use or to sell.

You can Lol. all you’d like, but you’d be wrong.
http://www.gw2spidy.com/item/24295

What am I supposed to be looking at that you’re supposedly seeing? All I’m seeing is an upward trend which is normal.

Also consider something else. Let’s say this causes all tier 6 fine materials to decrease in price by 50%. It won’t but let’s say that it does. What do you think the impact on the market would be?

One of the main uses for these is for the Gift of Fortune for the legendary weapons. If people could get these for cheaper then they’ll have more money they could spend on the precursor. This would also cause an increase in demand for the precursor as the overall cost for a legendary is now cheaper. This will then drive up the price for precursors and you could very well cancel out any benefit that you got from cheaper tier 6 fine materials.

There’s also something else that you’re not considering. Abusing this fail mechanic to farm the event over and over is against what Anet desires. This is evident by previous posts and actions against similar events. Anet will eventually fix this. I’ll let you figure out what the impact would be when they do this.

Since the April 15th patch, anything needed to craft higher legendaries have been on a steep rise because of the wardrobe. Since Tuesday’s patch there’s been a sharp downturn in price with supplies shooting up 5×.

Ayrilana.1396:

Khyber.2693:

Jerus.4350:

Bloodstealer.5978:

Enaretos.8079:

Axelwarrior.9084:

You didn’t answer my question on the first page

Right, I thought it was obvious…

Basically this is a champ box and materials farm. Very little gold is generated.

Since the idea is to sell all mats/exotics on the TP the increased competition drives prices down. This is good for everyone from an economic point of view : the offer is slowly meeting the demand.

When players are farming unhealthy numbers of champ bags per day.. I am pretty sure the last thing on their mind is helping the economy to be driven down.. 200-400 bags is no issue for many of the players and they can drop a lot more than just a few T5/T6 materials.. and the event coin like any event is just extra cream on top of what can be earned for the mats, the trash items and even more sought after items like Pre-cursors etc themselves.. … they don’t farm it to help others they farm it for themselves and their own gains, what happens aside of that is merely a smoke screen excuse.

Label it whatever you want to label it, fact is more mats in the economy is a good thing right now. Prices have nearly doubled in the last 5 months. I’m a Dungeon guy and I’m very happy that people farm materials because without it I hate to imagine what the prices might be.

^ This.

The farmers are actually helping the economy right now. If you actively try to get Orr nerfed again then you have no right to complain about mats being expensive.

Explain exactly how this is helping the economy. Please don’t confuse helping yourselves to helping the economy.

Yes we are helping ourselves, but we are also helping the economy by lowering the price of t5 and t6 on the tp. Which is needed right now, big time, unless you like paying 60silver for powerful blood.

Astral Projections.7320:

knives.6132:

My 2 cents:

It’s NOT an exploit because the event is designed to have 2 VALID outcomes: Success or Fail.
No game mechanic is broken when you purposely fail the event.

I would think the question here is, did ANet make events, any events, with the intention that players would purposely fail them in order to have endlessly spawning mobs to farm?

I would say the answer is no. That they intended players to make every effort to succeed and that events would fail in spite of their efforts. In that case, if players are doing something that ANet did not intend when they made these events, if they are doing so in order to farm in excess of what was intended, then it’s an exploit and players doing so may be suspended or banned or the event changed to stop this farming.

How is that possible anyone’s fault except Anet’s?

Ayrilana.1396:

synk.8762:

Ayrilana.1396:

Lol. Those prices have been pretty stable so no, I’m not buying that reasoning. What you’re describing is about helping yourselves rather than the economy. With the amount of players participating in this at the moment, it’s really having no impact on the economy. All it’s doing is helping players get the tier 6 mats either to use or to sell.

You can Lol. all you’d like, but you’d be wrong.
http://www.gw2spidy.com/item/24295

What am I supposed to be looking at that you’re supposedly seeing? All I’m seeing is an upward trend which is normal.

Also consider something else. Let’s say this causes all tier 6 fine materials to decrease in price by 50%. It won’t but let’s say that it does. What do you think the impact on the market would be?

One of the main uses for these is for the Gift of Fortune for the legendary weapons. If people could get these for cheaper then they’ll have more money they could spend on the precursor. This would also cause an increase in demand for the precursor as the overall cost for a legendary is now cheaper. This will then drive up the price for precursors and you could very well cancel out any benefit that you got from cheaper tier 6 fine materials.

There’s also something else that you’re not considering. Abusing this fail mechanic to farm the event over and over is against what Anet desires. This is evident by previous posts and actions against similar events. Anet will eventually fix this. I’ll let you figure out what the impact would be when they do this.

You’ve got to be kidding me kid, if people are crafting a legendary weapon they’re going to mystic forge or buy their legendary regardless of how much mats cost. It wont drive up the price because the people buying them for what they need aren’t going to be flipping or spending more money for their precurser just because they have more. Stop being so kitten.

Edit: And no, mat prices have not been stable, and they’re certainly not at a reasonable price right now. We are remedying this to an extent whether you think we’re selfish or not. As I said to the OP, we are not making more than dungeon runners or anyone of that sort. We’re not gaining some unfair advantage, lay off.

Ayrilana.1396:

One of the main uses for these is for the Gift of Fortune for the legendary weapons. If people could get these for cheaper then they’ll have more money they could spend on the precursor. This would also cause an increase in demand for the precursor as the overall cost for a legendary is now cheaper. This will then drive up the price for precursors and you could very well cancel out any benefit that you got from cheaper tier 6 fine materials.

T5 and T6 are made cheaper. Then you can CRAFT rares/exotics for less gold. Which makes it easier to make percursors through the MF. Which drives precursor price down. Everything is perfect. You make no sense by the way. Watch the Economy 101 stream tomorrow !

This farm is not named Blix guys. It’s actually named Bliss !

Khyber.2693:

Yes we are helping ourselves, but we are also helping the economy by lowering the price of t5 and t6 on the tp. Which is needed right now, big time, unless you like paying 60silver for powerful blood.

I call heavy bullkitten. If you introduced those mats into the market without getting gold for it, you would lower their prices. Farmers, however, hoard money, removing large chunks of it from the circulation.
You help only yourselves and make it exceptionally hard for the newest players to gather even moderate wealth without frantic farming. Essentially, you force everyone else to farm in order to keep competitive on the market. It’s Earth all over again.

Asmodeus.5782:

Khyber.2693:

Yes we are helping ourselves, but we are also helping the economy by lowering the price of t5 and t6 on the tp. Which is needed right now, big time, unless you like paying 60silver for powerful blood.

I call heavy bullkitten. If you introduced those mats into the market without getting gold for it, you would lower their prices. Farmers, however, hoard money, removing large chunks of it from the circulation.
You help only yourselves and make it exceptionally hard for the newest players to gather even moderate wealth without frantic farming. Essentially, you force everyone else to farm in order to keep competitive on the market. It’s Earth all over again.

Except that we don’t have fixed prices. So it effectively goes down. It helps everyone, except the starters to get their hands on cheaper mats.

Please everyone, if you are only making assumptions at the game’s economy, just wait for tomorrow’s stream to explain it to you. Uneducated guesses are harmful…

Ayrilana.1396:

synk.8762:

Ayrilana.1396:

Lol. Those prices have been pretty stable so no, I’m not buying that reasoning. What you’re describing is about helping yourselves rather than the economy. With the amount of players participating in this at the moment, it’s really having no impact on the economy. All it’s doing is helping players get the tier 6 mats either to use or to sell.

You can Lol. all you’d like, but you’d be wrong.
http://www.gw2spidy.com/item/24295

What am I supposed to be looking at that you’re supposedly seeing? All I’m seeing is an upward trend which is normal.

Also consider something else. Let’s say this causes all tier 6 fine materials to decrease in price by 50%. It won’t but let’s say that it does. What do you think the impact on the market would be?

One of the main uses for these is for the Gift of Fortune for the legendary weapons. If people could get these for cheaper then they’ll have more money they could spend on the precursor. This would also cause an increase in demand for the precursor as the overall cost for a legendary is now cheaper. This will then drive up the price for precursors and you could very well cancel out any benefit that you got from cheaper tier 6 fine materials.

There’s also something else that you’re not considering. Abusing this fail mechanic to farm the event over and over is against what Anet desires. This is evident by previous posts and actions against similar events. Anet will eventually fix this. I’ll let you figure out what the impact would be when they do this.

Actually farmers in orr get a lot of T5 mats too that are one of the main ingredients required for mystic forging precursors. In the last few months there has been a pretty noticeable shortage of these which is arguably the main reason behind the spike in price of the precursors along with the wardrobe like Ensign explains here and me here

Asmodeus.5782:

Khyber.2693:

Yes we are helping ourselves, but we are also helping the economy by lowering the price of t5 and t6 on the tp. Which is needed right now, big time, unless you like paying 60silver for powerful blood.

I call heavy bullkitten. If you introduced those mats into the market without getting gold for it, you would lower their prices. Farmers, however, hoard money, removing large chunks of it from the circulation.
You help only yourselves and make it exceptionally hard for the newest players to gather even moderate wealth without frantic farming. Essentially, you force everyone else to farm in order to keep competitive on the market. It’s Earth all over again.

Nope, the more of a thing you throw into the tp the lower the price will go. When supply goes up and the demand for an item remains the same the price will go down, basic economics. Look it up.

We don’t make anything hard for newer players, if people want to get gear and money they can farm with us, explore, run dungeons etc. Dungeon running is still more profitable than farming Orr. We’re not forcing you to do anything, keep doing dungeons and whatever and you will still be ahead of us. We’re not making enough money to push you all out of the market, in fact, we’re doing the opposite and making it easier for you to afford things because we put more on the market via listing.

Farming also wouldn’t be a problem if A.net would quit nerfing every good spot into the ground. That’s another major contributor to heavy farming. When the well dries up the group finds a new place to drink from. Even legit farming places where you could grind plain old mobs for fangs and claws get the knife.

Khyber.2693:

Yes we are helping ourselves, but we are also helping the economy by lowering the price of t5 and t6 on the tp. Which is needed right now, big time, unless you like paying 60silver for powerful blood.

Again, you’re not helping the economy.

Khyber.2693:

You’ve got to be kidding me kid, if people are crafting a legendary weapon they’re going to mystic forge or buy their legendary regardless of how much mats cost. It wont drive up the price because the people buying them for what they need aren’t going to be flipping or spending more money for their precurser just because they have more. Stop being so kitten.

Again, you fail to understand what will happen.

Khyber.2693:

Edit: And no, mat prices have not been stable, and they’re certainly not at a reasonable price right now. We are remedying this to an extent whether you think we’re selfish or not. As I said to the OP, we are not making more than dungeon runners or anyone of that sort. We’re not gaining some unfair advantage, lay off.

They’re at a price set by demand and supply. Considering that they sell very easily, I’d say the price is more than reasonable. A lot of people are willing to pay that much frequently for them. You, yourself, are not everyone else.

It’s an unfair advantage because you’re abusing a fail mechanic that was not intended so you can farm the event endlessly for loot. As it’s unintended, players that do the legit farming activities are put at a disadvantage of those who are willing to exploit that event.

Enaretos.8079:

Except that we don’t have fixed prices. So it effectively goes down. It helps everyone, except the starters to get their hands on cheaper mats.

Please everyone, if you are only making assumptions at the game’s economy, just wait for tomorrow’s stream to explain it to you. Uneducated guesses are harmful…

I don’t know what the point of your statement about fixed prices is coming from. I never said it so I don’t see how it’s relevant. You’re making it out as it’s helping everyone when it’s only helping those that are exploiting that event. It has had minimal impact as we’re no different now as we were at the beginning of the month.

anabasis.7346:

Actually farmers in orr get a lot of T5 mats too that are one of the main ingredients required for mystic forging precursors. In the last few months there has been a pretty noticeable shortage of these which is arguably the main reason behind the spike in price of the precursors along with the wardrobe like Ensign explains here and me here

I personally believe it’s the other way around and it’s because of an increased demand for precursors which caused the prices of them to rise. As prices rose, this gave people more incentive to forge them which then drained the supply of those materials causing the precursor prices to increase even further as forging is their primary method of acquisition according to reports.

I don’t suggest we get into an economics discussion with would-be exploiters. That would be skirting the issue.

For those that recall, GW2 used to have a “blink-bot” gathering issue and they could argue the same thing too regarding suppressing material prices and not harming anybody but it doesn’t make it right.

Ayrilana.1396:

Khyber.2693:

Yes we are helping ourselves, but we are also helping the economy by lowering the price of t5 and t6 on the tp. Which is needed right now, big time, unless you like paying 60silver for powerful blood.

Again, you’re not helping the economy.

Khyber.2693:

You’ve got to be kidding me kid, if people are crafting a legendary weapon they’re going to mystic forge or buy their legendary regardless of how much mats cost. It wont drive up the price because the people buying them for what they need aren’t going to be flipping or spending more money for their precurser just because they have more. Stop being so kitten.

Again, you fail to understand what will happen.

Khyber.2693:

Edit: And no, mat prices have not been stable, and they’re certainly not at a reasonable price right now. We are remedying this to an extent whether you think we’re selfish or not. As I said to the OP, we are not making more than dungeon runners or anyone of that sort. We’re not gaining some unfair advantage, lay off.

They’re at a price set by demand and supply. Considering that they sell very easily, I’d say the price is more than reasonable. A lot of people are willing to pay that much frequently for them. You, yourself, are not everyone else.

It’s an unfair advantage because you’re abusing a fail mechanic that was not intended so you can farm the event endlessly for loot. As it’s unintended, players that do the legit farming activities are put at a disadvantage of those who are willing to exploit that event.

Enaretos.8079:

Except that we don’t have fixed prices. So it effectively goes down. It helps everyone, except the starters to get their hands on cheaper mats.

Please everyone, if you are only making assumptions at the game’s economy, just wait for tomorrow’s stream to explain it to you. Uneducated guesses are harmful…

I don’t know what the point of your statement about fixed prices is coming from. I never said it so I don’t see how it’s relevant. You’re making it out as it’s helping everyone when it’s only helping those that are exploiting that event. It has had minimal impact as we’re no different now as we were at the beginning of the month.

anabasis.7346:

Actually farmers in orr get a lot of T5 mats too that are one of the main ingredients required for mystic forging precursors. In the last few months there has been a pretty noticeable shortage of these which is arguably the main reason behind the spike in price of the precursors along with the wardrobe like Ensign explains here and me here

I personally believe it’s the other way around and it’s because of an increased demand for precursors which caused the prices of them to rise. As prices rose, this gave people more incentive to forge them which then drained the supply of those materials causing the precursor prices to increase even further as forging is their primary method of acquisition according to reports.

Man, do you even econ? More supply + Normal demand = Lower prices. You people still make more money than us, get.over.it. We don’t even make that much, and what we do make gets listed on the tp and overall helps everyone else. Most people don’t horde like you seem to think they are, I’m only keeping t6 for my legendary, everything else is getting listed.

There are plenty of exploits in this game, why are you all only kittening about this one? Why isn’t stacking and abusing boss mechanics an exploit to you all? They are abusing something too for fast money :/

justkoh.4073:

I don’t suggest we get into an economics discussion with would-be exploiters. That would be skirting the issue.

For those that recall, GW2 used to have a “blink-bot” gathering issue and they could argue the same thing too regarding suppressing material prices and not harming anybody but it doesn’t make it right.

But those are bots, we’re actually taking time out of our day to farm. Bots are big exploits, farming is not, please don’t destroy my favorite place to farm and have fun with people. We all have a lot of fun down there and I don’t want it to end because you all want it nerfed. There needs to be more ways to make money than just spamming dungeons :/ It’s very social and fun down there.

Khyber.2693:

Man, do you even econ? More supply + Normal demand = Lower prices. You people still make more money than us, get.over.it. We don’t even make that much, and what we do make gets listed on the tp and overall helps everyone else. Most people don’t horde like you seem to think they are, I’m only keeping t6 for my legendary, everything else is getting listed.

The problem that you’re making is that you’re focusing solely on prices of certain items and not on everything that’s related. You’re making the same mistake that many people make when they want precursors to be cheaper without realizing that it would cause all of the materials for making a legendary to become more expensive.

Perhaps you should think on more of a macro level..

Khyber.2693:

There are plenty of exploits in this game, why are you all only kittening about this one? Why isn’t stacking and abusing boss mechanics an exploit to you all? They are abusing something too for fast money :/

Perhaps because it’s not an exploit? Hmm…

Ayrilana.1396:

Khyber.2693:

Man, do you even econ? More supply + Normal demand = Lower prices. You people still make more money than us, get.over.it. We don’t even make that much, and what we do make gets listed on the tp and overall helps everyone else. Most people don’t horde like you seem to think they are, I’m only keeping t6 for my legendary, everything else is getting listed.

The problem that you’re making is that you’re focusing solely on prices of certain items and not on everything that’s related. You’re making the same mistake that many people make when they want precursors to be cheaper without realizing that it would cause all of the materials for making a legendary to become more expensive.

Perhaps you should think on more of a macro level..

Khyber.2693:

There are plenty of exploits in this game, why are you all only kittening about this one? Why isn’t stacking and abusing boss mechanics an exploit to you all? They are abusing something too for fast money :/

Perhaps because it’s not an exploit? Hmm…

If that’s not an exploit than why is Orr farming one? We’re abusing a mechanic, and so are they in dungeons. Both are exploiting a mechanic.

I don’t mind the farming in orr, however, biggest problem in this game right now (reward wise) is the difference between mindless farm and actual skilled speed clearing. What I mean is 100 players can equip a staff, follow a commander using only 1, make as much money as people speed clearing dungeon.

Sorrow’s Embrace path 1 farm is actually better than Orr farm, but it require to be focused in order to be efficient which is why it isn’t popular like Blixx.

Khyber.2693:

Ayrilana.1396:

Khyber.2693:

Man, do you even econ? More supply + Normal demand = Lower prices. You people still make more money than us, get.over.it. We don’t even make that much, and what we do make gets listed on the tp and overall helps everyone else. Most people don’t horde like you seem to think they are, I’m only keeping t6 for my legendary, everything else is getting listed.

The problem that you’re making is that you’re focusing solely on prices of certain items and not on everything that’s related. You’re making the same mistake that many people make when they want precursors to be cheaper without realizing that it would cause all of the materials for making a legendary to become more expensive.

Perhaps you should think on more of a macro level..

Khyber.2693:

There are plenty of exploits in this game, why are you all only kittening about this one? Why isn’t stacking and abusing boss mechanics an exploit to you all? They are abusing something too for fast money :/

Perhaps because it’s not an exploit? Hmm…

If that’s not an exploit than why is Orr farming one? We’re abusing a mechanic, and so are they in dungeons. Both are exploiting a mechanic.

One difference is that one of them is intended. I’ll also state once again that stacking is not an exploit. If you require further clarification as to why then I suggest you post a thread in the dungeons forum asking why. I’m sure they’d be glad to give you the answer.