Guild Wars 2

Zorby.8236:

Devata.6589:

Dawdler.8521:

Collectors edition got other stuff… also its completely worthless minis. They could have given us a single crystaline dust and I’d have been more happy – at least that I could have sold.

Gem buyers also got other stuff. You know like the gems and they stuff they did buy with the gems.

And you might not want them but I would like them.

Hehe, funniest part of the thread (up untill I gave up that is). No saving this dude…

Yeah you are a real genius aren’t you? But if you are so good why not tell what is wrong with it then just saying “No saving this dude”. You do not agree so you just try to offend me. Trust me, if people like you try to offend me I see that as a compliment. So thank you man. Means a lot to me. And I love you too.

Goodness, goodness. You are aware that there are no plans for an expansion at this time, yes?

And that ‘other MMO games’ don’t usually release content monthly or bi-weekly, yes?

So…I don’t think using other games models works so well here. Ever think that maybe the box sales paid for all those years of development? Are you thinking box-sales-only pays for each month’s new content? You think your 50, 60, 150, 220 dollars pays for 2 years of content? 3 years of content? What if an expansion doesn’t come out for 4 years? Who pays to keep you entertained then? Was the profit they made off of your CE enough to pay for several years content?

Lol, if I had the minis I would send them to you, just to……appease you. Hope you can have a nice day, anyway. =)

Torpian.9142:

Devata.6589:

You are all saying the same wrong thing.

I don’t think anyone will be able to convince Devata on this one. He thinks he’s entitled to something and that’s all that really matters.

Like I said a many times. I don’t think I am entitled to anything (the rest of the explication you can read in the comments). So you do not have to convince me of anything. I do think I will not be ably to convince anybody to first read before posting. Would save me a lot of repeating. But because of my willingness to answer everybody and people not reading it I need to keep repeating myself.

captaincrash.6528:

Yep! You got the game, that you paid for, plus the extras, that you paid for. I didn’t complain to Bethesda when I bought Skyrim years ago however long it was now, and now all people who buy the game get the DLC for free. This is business; this is how these things work.

You are correct. When they start releasing the game with free DLC (also funny thing BTW, few years ago patches were free) they should also give it for free to the people who already did buy it. But I am not talking about Skyrim and because “it is the way those thinks work” does not mean you should not talk about it.

Eladriel.7295:

What is your problem? The gem store is a way to get support for the game and to sell items that players would want.. It is no different than the freakin store they had for gw1. What you think you’re only support of the game is just to buy the collectors edition? What happens between now and a expansion? Have you heard they were working on one? no you haven’t. I bought the collectors edition as well and yes I have bought gems.. Why? Cause I don’t mind spending money on a game I like and plan on playing for years to come and 5 character slots just wasn’t enough. Why is it when a company wants to show their appreciations to parts of the community the other parts start this “Im entitled” to whatever they got bs? The collectors edition got way more items with it than we got for buying gems.. Stuff that they didn’t even have to give. It is really pathetic that people seem to feel they need to begrudge others for things they have gotten because of simple things they do. Not counting the fact the gift was unexpected. I didn’t expect to log in and find a box of mini pets..

“What happens between now and a expansion?” the same as what happens between the releases of 2 none MMO games with the difference that they use some more money to keep it running but spend some less on making the new expansion.

“Have you heard they were working on one?” No, and when I did read that they where not yet actively working one I started to worry that the focus would get to much to the gem-store what normally is not very good for a game. And I do not begrudge others for what they get. I did not say anything about them, did I? It is a principal thing

ginkoneverends.7082:

Oh look yet another entitlement thread. yay.

Just the contrary really.

I bought in gemstore, don’t mind OP he’s just jealous.

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

According to some of the logic in this thread, supposedly I went above and beyond to support ArenaNet. Even though, I was under the impression I bought extra goodies…for me.

I also bought gems, many times….many times.

I have not received any minis, nor have I cried over that. Since they have stated they are sending out minis in waves…

‘These are being given out in waves to avoid a strain on our mailing birds. They are not super birds!’ https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/devtracker

….either I have not received them yet, or I won’t be getting them. No biggie, as I am an adult and I can accept ArenaNet’s decision about who deserves free minis and who doesn’t. If I never receive them, I am no worse off before any were sent out.

I have to wonder…sometimes.

Well that logic that you went above and beyond to support ArenaNet. is not really in the thread. It’s in the mail Anet send, to gem-buyers. The topic is about that logic being incorrect.

And really the underlaying irritation in not the gift, that was just straw that broke the camel. The irritation is the big focus that gem-store is getting and how a lot of that focus is just bad for the game.

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

Perhaps, if you email Customer Support, and include some real virtual tears with your plea, they will recognize your magnanimous gesture of buying a CE, and send you a pack of Holographic Dragon Bash minis.

support@arenanet.com

Good luck. =)

Yeah that is an option.. or you post it in the forum.

Devata.6589:

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

Perhaps, if you email Customer Support, and include some real virtual tears with your plea, they will recognize your magnanimous gesture of buying a CE, and send you a pack of Holographic Dragon Bash minis.

support@arenanet.com

Good luck. =)

Yeah that is an option.. or you post it in the forum.

I sent them this, seemed to work.

goldenwing.8473:

I bought 3 CEs. Two for me, one for my daughter.

I didn’t buy them to “support the game”. I bought them because of the items they offered which I am still using today in game when I roll alts.

I have 43 characters slots. That’s 33 extra. You can do the math.

I have also bought gems for a variety of things since release, on a monthly, on-going basis. I won’t go into how much I have spent, this game is my only hobby at the moment.

Again, I didn’t do that to “support the game” I bought the character slots and the gems to get things I wanted to use.

“Supporting the game” is something I do in game, on various forums, reporting bugs, making suggestions, reporting bots, reporting ToS violations, promoting the game to others with a clear, non-fanboi, objective perspective.

I do that as well for my own benefit.

If ANet and the community gets something from that, awesome. That makes me happy.

I don’t expect anything for playing the game the way I like.

And I certainly would not demand it.

- Just a fellow, non-entitled player

You did not buy them to support the game. Just like some gem-buyers did not buy them not to support the game. Other people did buy the CE and or Gem’s partly to support the game.

And like you see I also support by reporting bugs, making suggestions, reporting bots, reporting ToS violations, promoting the game to others with a clear, non-fanboi, objective perspective. and running a big guild, trying to keep them happy. And indeed I do that all also for my own benefit because if the game fails we have no GW2 to play. So this sort of things should also be brought to the attention. Even if you get a load of negative reactions on it.

In the past I was active in a few beta’s of other MMO’s. There I then posted that subscription based was not the way to go. That gave me always a big load of negative reactions.. Funny thing is.. all those game (well 2) subscription based fee failed and they are now F2P. Now I hope Anet does listen and does not make mistake because we point them out. And really, the bigger problem here is the focus not the gift.

- Just a fellow, non-entitled player

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

Goodness, goodness. You are aware that there are no plans for an expansion at this time, yes?

And that ‘other MMO games’ don’t usually release content monthly or bi-weekly, yes?

So…I don’t think using other games models works so well here. Ever think that maybe the box sales paid for all those years of development? Are you thinking box-sales-only pays for each month’s new content? You think your 50, 60, 150, 220 dollars pays for 2 years of content? 3 years of content? What if an expansion doesn’t come out for 4 years? Who pays to keep you entertained then? Was the profit they made off of your CE enough to pay for several years content?

Lol, if I had the minis I would send them to you, just to……appease you. Hope you can have a nice day, anyway. =)

I am very much aware of the fact that there is no expansion on the way… you know, that may be the core of the problem that is the result of this topic.

Kinda answered the rest. I do not think it pays for years and years to come, thats why there should have been an expansion on the way.

Valento.9852:

I bought in gemstore, don’t mind OP he’s just jealous.

“Don’t mind the OP he is jealous..” just focus on the gem-store and destroy the game? No I am not jealous, If I see thinks that I think are wrong I report them on the forum. In that way I try to support the game. And I don’t think you can be jealous because you can just buy them so they are in reach for everybody. But like I said to somebody else. If somebody who can not come up with anything better that such an insult, tries to insult you it is a compliment so thank you!

When I started this post I knew I would get a lot of bad reactions. (like with one or 2 other post I made) but if I would care about that I would not post it.

It’s simple. I think some thinks are bad for the game and then I make a post about it. Hopefully Anet understand the underlaying problem and does something about it. If they would not do and they game would die slowly I can at least be sure I did everything I could to help. And in the end thats the reason for any of my post. I don’t need to get the mini’s, if I want them I buy them. (transferring gold to gems.. if they want real money they can come with an expansion)

I do hope the people from Anet do take it a bid more serious then some of the people who are reacting here.

If that’s truly the case, you should change the (en)title(d), yet again. =)

Guess it don’t matter I been playing since bwe 1 or that I have supplied dual wielding credit card kings and queens with gold they don’t have to farm so I can buy the occasional CS item….

I am just a F2P leecher (who bought the box), working for .001 cents an hour. Yay sweat shop labour!

I don’t believe it today’s market a B2P MMORPG is truly possible. Because no one can create content fast enough to satisfy the content locusts.

Seven, eight years ago, it was a different market. And even Guild Wars 1 had a cash shop that subsidized their growth. But now, MMOs are big business and in order to compete with the big boys, you have to put real time and MONEY into it. The B2P business plan includes the cash shop and I truly believe the cash shop…or a sub fee…is necessary. I don’t think any MMO can survive long term without one of those two.

Devata.6589:

Omg what a joke. I already said many times I do not ask for anything. If I would get nothing I would be fine. But the idea that gem-buyers get something for supporting but other suppers don;t is plain wrong. And it shows the wrong way they are going with there focus on the gem-store. It’s kryptonite for the game.

WHY is it wrong for ANet to give a “Thank you gift” to the people who paid them more money above and beyond the basic purchase of the game?

Your only support has been your promise to buy expansions. How does that make you a “supporter”? We ALL bought the game, (yes, I bought the CE) so you can’t argue that you are supporting them above and beyond in that way.

But here’s some news for you… they are in this to make MONEY. Gem buyers gave them money. We are REALLY supporting them, not just promising to support them later if they release expansions. They are giving us virtual toys as a way of saying thank you.

What don’t you get? Gem buyers paid them more, so we got more. Seems pretty simple.

GW2 will never satisfy a gamer’s hunger for content, take note please, it’s part of the core.

Now I’m certainly not an ANet supporter in many aspects of the game, but seriously…are you real?

Because they decided to give people who have spent further money on the game than just buying the box a (very insignificant) thankyou reward you htink you should get the same for NOT spending any further money on the game? Awesome. You win the internet.

Vayne.8563:

I don’t believe it today’s market a B2P MMORPG is truly possible. Because no one can create content fast enough to satisfy the content locusts.

Seven, eight years ago, it was a different market. And even Guild Wars 1 had a cash shop that subsidized their growth. But now, MMOs are big business and in order to compete with the big boys, you have to put real time and MONEY into it. The B2P business plan includes the cash shop and I truly believe the cash shop…or a sub fee…is necessary. I don’t think any MMO can survive long term without one of those two.

Of course it can’t. By the time all of the involved parties have absorbed that initial cash income. Paying dividends, overheads, R&D for future games, salaries, bonuses, material costs etc etc what % of that initial cash injection is left? The selling of the game makes the game exist…the further transactions are what enable it to be maintained, expanded and operate.

Devata.6589:

Dawdler.8521:

Collectors edition got other stuff… also its completely worthless minis. They could have given us a single crystaline dust and I’d have been more happy – at least that I could have sold.

Gem buyers also got other stuff. You know like the gems and they stuff they did buy with the gems.

And you might not want them but I would like them.

then buy them off the store. I bought collectors edition and I transfered 18 gold to gems before the event so I could buy it. Was pleasantly surprised that I got it for free due to buying gems before.
We have pictures, we have a rythlock statue, we even have a mini rythlock in game. Those things gem buyers can’t buy. We got our extras for paying money. I don’t get the complaint.

Devata.6589:

A lot of guild-members got a mini pack that had 3 Holographic mini’s in them. The reason they got it because they both 500 gems somewhere between the release of the game and this was ArenaNet’s way to ’thank’them for the support.

Now I do not buy anything from in-game stores. Thats why I buy a B2P game and not a F2P game because of this sort of things. And F2P games that are doing there best to get people buying stuff from there. Hate that, so I go for a B2P game. (To bad GW2 is now also doing that more and more.. but that was expected as there is still no expansion announced. B2P games should run on the game and expansion).

To be frank … a.net stated from the get-go that they depend on gem sales to keep the game afloat, since box sales simply didn’t work for GW1 as a long term business model. That was one of the major reasons why GW2 exists and GW1 Utopia was dropped.

By refusing to buy gems, you refuse to support the game. If everyone did that, the game would have collapsed by now. That’s a fact and confirmed by A.net devs. Their business model is built around selling gems

That said, you’re not required to do so, because one person buying 100€ in gems is just as effective to keep the game alive as 10 people spending 10€ each. Brilliancy in design, and by adding conversion they’re letting you have a piece of the cake too. You can play it as a B2P game BECAUSE other people spend your share in the gem store. No need to thank me for that.

So my questions.. did you just forget about those people and will they still get it? Would be nice.

The people who didn’t buy gems were not forgotten. They simply didn’t do what it took to qualify for the promotion.

You’re being entitled. You can’t have the cake and eat it.

Devata.6589:

Ohh please start reading before posting. This is like the 5th time I need to debunk that same story. IT has nothing to do with keeping supporting. Other people keep supporting buy buying the expansion when it is released and people who did buy gems the day of the release and nothing after that did also get the thank you.

And the idea that the gem-buyers keep GW2 running is also total bull. They can easily get around on box sales and expansion sales. Just like companies who sell non MMO games also make money only on that. F2P games run on micro-transactions and can’t live without them but this is no f2p game it is a b2p game.

Oh but it does have something to do with keep supporting.
Everyone in the game have payed the money to access the servers. Otherwise they would not have access to the servers.
This reward was for people that decided to support the game further by given ArenaNet some extra money, even after they have gotten access to the servers. How hard is that to understand?

Actually I would say that is a rather logical idea.
If GW2 stop making money, NCSoft will not really be bothered with spending more money on it and it would most likely be taken down rather fast, it wouldn’t be the first time NCSoft simply takes down games.
You can’t really compare a non MMO game with a MMO. There are completely different costs involved. A Single Player game doesn’t usually require that much work after it is released, while a MMO require constant work even after being released, especially when it releases content updates every single month.

I bought more gems than id of liked to, no “thank gift” here

Companies often reward some customers over others. For example, they reward frequent fliers and give discounts to people who buy large amounts. The key here is that they reward customers who stand out financially from the others by buying more. If you got the goodies from the DE, then that was your reward from ANet for spending more at start. The free minis were a reward for continuing support. To demand the free minis when you did not buy gems is like the person who demands the frequent flier discount when he has only flown once before.

I bought the CE too ! And I bought gems !

Do I get like an even better present ? A chest with 3 precursors legendaries in it !

Devata.6589:

A lot of guild-members got a mini pack that had 3 Holographic mini’s in them. The reason they got it because they both 500 gems somewhere between the release of the game and this was ArenaNet’s way to ’thank’them for the support.

Now I do not buy anything from in-game stores. Thats why I buy a B2P game and not a F2P game because of this sort of things. And F2P games that are doing there best to get people buying stuff from there. Hate that, so I go for a B2P game. (To bad GW2 is now also doing that more and more.. but that was expected as there is still no expansion announced. B2P games should run on the game and expansion).

Anyway, in stead of buying stuff in the gemstores I do want to support ArenaNet and so I buy the collectors edition. You know, the one that cost 105 Euro more then the normal game (how many gems can you buy for that?). But not you are smacking all those players in the face. What paying more for the game but not buying gems… You get nothing.

So my questions.. did you just forget about those people and will they still get it? Would be nice.

are you telling me you did not buy gems at all?

bag slots
character slots
bank upgrade slots

did not even buy gems using in game monies?

during launch week, 100 gems costs about 25 silvers in game monies to buy.
you are telling me you did not buy them at all?

Devata.6589:

Like I said a many times. I don’t think I am entitled to anything (the rest of the explication you can read in the comments). So you do not have to convince me of anything. I do think I will not be ably to convince anybody to first read before posting. Would save me a lot of repeating. But because of my willingness to answer everybody and people not reading it I need to keep repeating myself.

Everyone is saying the same. You’re feeling entitled. The only way to disprove that, is by not acting entitled to something you didn’t qualify for. The promotion was clearly for ongoing support which you didn’t do.
Repeating you want something because you’re not entitled is the definition of entitlement.

Can I jump on the bandwagon?

I spent a lot more in the cashshop than what the CE cost can I get all the CE goodies then if I use the OP’s logic?

Conner.4702:

Can I jump on the bandwagon?

I spent a lot more in the cashshop than what the CE cost can I get all the CE goodies then if I use the OP’s logic?

The OP isn’t using logic, sorry.

You already got your stuff for buying the collectors eddition.

How about you continue to support the game by buying gems? That is why people got something free.

You have only bought the game but, you have not continued to support the game with gem purchases with cash. You do not deserve anything extra.

I agree, I payed $250 for my CE when the game first came out and have to feel like I’m also getting the shaft a little too here

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

If that’s truly the case, you should change the (en)title(d), yet again. =)

I did not change the title, Anet did. they also removed a post so it shows they do read it, and even if they disagree with the gem-store discussion maybe somebody of the staff will think about it when they discuss new content. It is all I could hope for and even do many reactions where negative, they kept this thread active and so help it to get the attention it deserve.

About the title. I first wanted to make the title something like. “The high focus on the gem-store is bad for the game. The ‘support’ gift only for the gem-buyers supporters is the straw that broke the camel” But that was to long so I decided to go focus on the gift part knowing discussion would go to the gem-store. And the title did get the attention so it’s fine by me. It’s now up to Anet to do something with it or not. I did what I could do to give my support.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

Devata.6589:

A lot of guild-members got a mini pack that had 3 Holographic mini’s in them. The reason they got it because they both 500 gems somewhere between the release of the game and this was ArenaNet’s way to ’thank’them for the support.

Now I do not buy anything from in-game stores. Thats why I buy a B2P game and not a F2P game because of this sort of things. And F2P games that are doing there best to get people buying stuff from there. Hate that, so I go for a B2P game. (To bad GW2 is now also doing that more and more.. but that was expected as there is still no expansion announced. B2P games should run on the game and expansion).

Anyway, in stead of buying stuff in the gemstores I do want to support ArenaNet and so I buy the collectors edition. You know, the one that cost 105 Euro more then the normal game (how many gems can you buy for that?). But not you are smacking all those players in the face. What paying more for the game but not buying gems… You get nothing.

So my questions.. did you just forget about those people and will they still get it? Would be nice.

are you telling me you did not buy gems at all?

bag slots
character slots
bank upgrade slots

did not even buy gems using in game monies?

during launch week, 100 gems costs about 25 silvers in game monies to buy.
you are telling me you did not buy them at all?

No I am not telling you that.

Hamfast.8719:

Conner.4702:

Can I jump on the bandwagon?

I spent a lot more in the cashshop than what the CE cost can I get all the CE goodies then if I use the OP’s logic?

The OP isn’t using logic, sorry.

My logic is just fine, Conner does not understand the logic it seems. He did buy gems and got the gems, I did buy the CE and got the CE. Conner’s got something extra because it seems like Anet is focusing a lot on the gem-store. To much. That is most likely also the reason they removed the possibility to farm skelks and almost all other possibility’s to farm anything. Everything is gold-based and the only reason that I can come up with that is is that way, is because they hope to sell more gems. There is however no need for that.

Hamfast.8719:

What don’t you get? Gem buyers paid them more, so we got more. Seems pretty simple.

CE buyers also paid them more. Just as simple. But again, it’s more the underlaying problem. No expansion, focus on the gemstore, trying to make the game gold-driven in stead of farm driven (well normal farm, now it is gold-farm) is a good example.

If they lose players over that then they lose money on expansions and on gems and they are indeed a company and so try to make money.

Anyway, I think everything is said what is supposed to be said so I will leave it with this.

It got Anet attention so lets hope they do something with it, and if they don’t I did what I could.

@ devata your post made me lol hard and it also made lose some hope in our society …
i also bought he CE and it was 170 but i got to join in the betas weekends, and got a statue of rytlock (bad kitten got some free in game items. got a cd sample of guild wars 2 music, and some nice stuff. i showed my support to anet that way and i also bought gems but if i didn’t had bought the gems and i didn’t get the minis who effin cares anet is saying thank you for supporting us.

first off, i get and agree with your point about how they are making it harder and harder to farm mats and such. it is kind of annoying that it is kind of difficult to go out and farm t6 scales or whatever and I find that the easiest option is to run CoF p1 till your eyes bleed, just to get the gold to buy the things you need. some people will buy gems and use the gems to get gold to buy what they need. That is their prerogative. sometimes i dont want to play with people and i just want to go out and farm mindlessly to take my mind off of other things. Orr is not very rewarding in this way. I believe that the economy of the game would be stronger if was a better control on supply and demand. example: Southsun event dropped the price of t6 bloods temporarily because the influx of supply. This gives the gamers a window of opportunity to get the bloods while they can and an opportunity for the TP players to flip a profit after the bloods go back up. More of this please! do it for different areas and every month, the farming is focused on an area making the game look more active outside of LA and wvw.

I dont agree with how you are taking the example of the thank you gift from anet and using it as some negative argument that Anet only appreciates the people who buy gems.

The way i have always looked at it, is that the items on the shop are aesthetic and no major advantage is given. This game could have easily put a sub fee but decided that that business model is dead (which it is). Instead, the gem store is the OPTIONAL sub fee. EVERYONE that i have played with that puts money in the gem store does it because 1. they want to support the game financially and 2. because want the cool things that you can buy at the store. They usually say the same thing. “There is no sub fee so i don’t mind giving them a few extra buck every month or so.” Now these people are getting a “Hey dude, thanks for supporting our gem shop. We count on these gem shop purchases to continue to bring you and others like you the continually evolving content that you love so much. Have a few free mini pets as a token of our appreciation” and you interpret it as propaganda to force people into the gem shop or you wont have as much fun as the other guy next to you.

you should adjust the way you look at the situation. Everyone sees the point that you are trying to make and they are all just saying, you are wrong.

since zero of the people who read this agreed with you, isn’t it at all, just the littlest bit possible, that it is you that needs the attitude adjustment?

The CE for this game is a real treat and was well worth its cost. I won’t turn down more ‘thank you’ freebies for CE holders, but in no way does a CE purchaser deserve them.

Edit: and by that I mean the boxed version, not the digital upgrade.

Thought this was a troll post at first… but then I realized the OP is serious.

Some people… just crazy.

Your thank you gift for buying the CE was the excellent additional contents of the CE.

ANet set a specific condition for this reward – buy gems during a time period. You didn’t fulfill that condition. You don’t get the reward.

If you would like the Gem Purchase bonus without Purchasing Gems, as a monthly gem-buyer I would like the Collectors Edition for free please.

@OP, The gift was for people that bought gems. Did you buy gems? No? Then, no you don’t get the gift. The CE is mutually exclusive from the gift that is given by ANet to people for buying gems.

TL;DR: Answer: No.

@OP. Usually, when 95% of the people posting disagree with you, it means you’re wrong.

Stop saying you’re not being entitled. You’re as bad as being entitled gets. The gemstore isn’t going anywhere. Its time you accept that they need sales from this gemstore to continue their game.

You may have supported the game at release by buying the CE, but you most certainly are not supporting it now. So stop trying. You’re argument makes no sense and you’re just making a fool out of yourself.

What I’m getting from this thread is what troubles most MMO games. It’s the players who feel “entitled” to free stuff. Some have that feeling that their purchase is more important than someone else’s.

I didn’t buy the CE because I have no need for a statue. That doesn’t mean I don’t support or love this game. I do love this game. I buy Gems to not only support my OCD habits of owning cool stuff, but to also support Anet. I never expected to get the free mini pack. It just showed up. Bonus! Happy me. Even if I didn’t get it, I’d still continue to buy Gems and play this game.

TL;DR – Be happy with what you have.

Side note – You’ve been getting a lot of extra content on top of your “paid for” game… for free.

Devata.6589:

Anyway, in stead of buying stuff in the gemstores I do want to support ArenaNet and so I buy the collectors edition.

Which comes with extra stuff. Which is what you paid extra for. As for “do I get a thank you for buying gems?”: Did you buy gems?

Devata.6589:

[…] didn’t buy gems.

Thanks for playing.

Woodycooks.7152:

since zero of the people who read this agreed with you, isn’t it at all, just the littlest bit possible, that it is you that needs the attitude adjustment?

But if I read your reaction you do agree with me. You say you think I took the wrong example and I might have (now I must say, after a moderator changed the title it looks more ‘wrong’ then it did before in my opinion) but the point I am trying to make is plain and simple. The focus on the gem-store is bad. The gift is just one example of that focus.

I could also have taken the moa racer achivement that basically is “pay 7,5 gold to get this achivement” but I did pick the gift example. Maybe not the best example but still. About most not agreeing. Well most people look at the title, don’t read the thread so don’t know where it is about and react purely on the idea that Anet gives a gifs to gem-buyers. Well that is not what this thread was supposed to be about but I do agree that I maybe should not have taken one example to start the thread with. Does not seem to work on forums.

imho there have been 2 patches (added content) where they did not ‘focus on the gem-store’. That was SaB (well you could buy 3 mini’s but you will probably be able to by them again later) skins where farmable in the game (on a farmable way, not 1/10000), and MF. The skin (back-pack) and the mini where also farmable in that content. And if I ever hear complains about SaB or MF then it is that it was only temporary content. The other content seems to be much more gold / gem-store driven and that makes the content less fun.

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Devata.6589:

Anyway, in stead of buying stuff in the gemstores I do want to support ArenaNet and so I buy the collectors edition.

Which comes with extra stuff. Which is what you paid extra for. As for “do I get a thank you for buying gems?”: Did you buy gems?

Devata.6589:

[…] didn’t buy gems.

Thanks for playing.

I did not make that title. I think a modderator edited it. I was talking about support. I will change it to a better title. (I now just see it is possible to edit the title)

I barely see any focus on gemstore to be honest, and that makes me wonder. There’s not much of interesting things to buy. We should expect some weapon and armor skins, but now? Boosters? BLC keys? Nah…

You want the truth?

The gemstore monopoly takes away from awesome content, quality assurance, and bug fixes.

It is only good for ArenaNet and NCSoft’s wallets.

dadamowsky.4692:

I barely see any focus on gemstore to be honest, and that makes me wonder. There’s not much of interesting things to buy. We should expect some weapon and armor skins, but now? Boosters? BLC keys? Nah…

The whole game is gold-driven (no farming for mats or skins) and there is a lot of stuff only temporary available in the gem-store so no saving gold to buy it.

So you can farm for gold (most people don’t like that) or buy gems with money to transfer to gold or buy the gem-item before it is removed from the gem-store again.

That is the gem-store focus I am mainly talking about.