Guild Wars 2

phys.7689:

most MMOs do not change or expand content much for a year, i think you are used to anet doing something every 2 weeks now. In fact many games dont change or expand until an expansion.

Well, that’s the thing, expansion mentality just doesn’t apply for aanet, hence living story and the many updates on pvp. It’s basically backstab to fractal players, what they did. Hence, we were abandon for a year.

Wethospu.6437:

Could you guys explain what so big and important you are going to lose if we get to keep your progress?

Protoavis.9107:

Do you know how many people had maxed out magic find only for it to be striped from their gear, their magic find reduced to zero and be made account wide for everyone….and no one went on the entitlement rampage some are now even though magic find gear was far more obviously intended than 50+ fractals….if you need to rely on a cash store item to progress, that’s pay to win…what are anet against?
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And people got compensated for losing MF-gear which has also been repeated multiple times. I seriously hope you are trolling.

compensated by having to salvage a tonne of gear to get back their progress…woo!

spoj.9672:

It makes sense that they reset to 30 because they are introducing instabilities and leadersboards at lvl 30. It doesnt make sense that they are introducing instabilities and leaderboards at lvl 30 instead of lvl 50. Which is why the reset is kitten ing a lot of people off.

putting them at 50 would be compounding the bad game design of 20-50, and would be putting the boring mechanical/ridiculous difficulty ahead of the more interesting unpredictable/or conditional difficulty.

Protoavis.9107:

Wethospu.6437:

Could you guys explain what so big and important you are going to lose if we get to keep your progress?

Protoavis.9107:

Do you know how many people had maxed out magic find only for it to be striped from their gear, their magic find reduced to zero and be made account wide for everyone….and no one went on the entitlement rampage some are now even though magic find gear was far more obviously intended than 50+ fractals….if you need to rely on a cash store item to progress, that’s pay to win…what are anet against?
—

And people got compensated for losing MF-gear which has also been repeated multiple times. I seriously hope you are trolling.

compensated by having to salvage a tonne of gear to get back their progress…woo!

The biggest compensation was account wide MF structure itself.
Yeah, it’s a slippery slope all these deleting kitten. Doesn’t make it all right.

phys.7689:

spoj.9672:

It makes sense that they reset to 30 because they are introducing instabilities and leadersboards at lvl 30. It doesnt make sense that they are introducing instabilities and leaderboards at lvl 30 instead of lvl 50. Which is why the reset is kitten ing a lot of people off.

putting them at 50 would be compounding the bad game design of 20-50, and would be putting the boring mechanical/ridiculous difficulty ahead of the more interesting unpredictable/or conditional difficulty.

True but they should of thought of that when they intially designed it. They are now punishing us for their own design flaws and short sighted progression. Thats a big no no imo.

Pino.5209:

Protoavis.9107:

read it, don’t agree with it (the only thing I do agree with in that article is how eve got crafting resources right). The whole article basically stems down to players wanting to be “special” and will do things they don’t even like to be “special” (why people do things they don’t enjoy beyond the bragging right of it is beyond me) which probably translates to a self confidence issue in the real world which isn’t about enjoying the game or the play style but about bragging rights which in itself isn’t a desirable personality trait or something that should be encouraged with a community that’s trying to be fostered into a friendly one.

Lol, that’s an awful reponse, you’ve to be kidding yourself.

Yes, majority off ppl playing mmorpg is not geek/nerds. There is no point to feel special in mmorpg and every1 should just do group hug @ lion arch. <sarcastic>

Not what I said at all….

Point is, in a game, you should be doing things because you enjoy them, if you’re doing it to show off it’s a little bit sad. At the end of the day, eventually the game is going off line, all progress will magically disappear, if weren’t doing it because you enjoyed it I think you may have missed the point of playing a game

spoj.9672:

phys.7689:

spoj.9672:

It makes sense that they reset to 30 because they are introducing instabilities and leadersboards at lvl 30. It doesnt make sense that they are introducing instabilities and leaderboards at lvl 30 instead of lvl 50. Which is why the reset is kitten ing a lot of people off.

putting them at 50 would be compounding the bad game design of 20-50, and would be putting the boring mechanical/ridiculous difficulty ahead of the more interesting unpredictable/or conditional difficulty.

True but they should of thought of that when they intially designed it. They are now punishing us for their own design flaws and short sighted progression. Thats a big no no imo.

+1
Hence what i said, admit it, reward players, wrap it up, start fresh.
They can’t handle the fact that they’ve failed us. Denial.

Actually I think those who made it to level 80 plus in the fractals should be compensated for the levels they’ve lost. I think they should get some kind of title or maybe a t-shirt they can wear or something. It wouldn’t affect my game at all, but it might make it a bit more palatable for them.

Pino.5209:

Protoavis.9107:

Wethospu.6437:

Could you guys explain what so big and important you are going to lose if we get to keep your progress?

Protoavis.9107:

Do you know how many people had maxed out magic find only for it to be striped from their gear, their magic find reduced to zero and be made account wide for everyone….and no one went on the entitlement rampage some are now even though magic find gear was far more obviously intended than 50+ fractals….if you need to rely on a cash store item to progress, that’s pay to win…what are anet against?
—

And people got compensated for losing MF-gear which has also been repeated multiple times. I seriously hope you are trolling.

compensated by having to salvage a tonne of gear to get back their progress…woo!

The biggest compensation was account wide MF structure itself.
Yeah, it’s a slippery slope all these deleting kitten. Doesn’t make it all right.

Well there’s your reward here, account wide fractal levels, even right? At least the account wide fractal level isn’t set to 0 like everyones magic find….

Protoavis.9107:

Pino.5209:

Protoavis.9107:

read it, don’t agree with it (the only thing I do agree with in that article is how eve got crafting resources right). The whole article basically stems down to players wanting to be “special” and will do things they don’t even like to be “special” (why people do things they don’t enjoy beyond the bragging right of it is beyond me) which probably translates to a self confidence issue in the real world which isn’t about enjoying the game or the play style but about bragging rights which in itself isn’t a desirable personality trait or something that should be encouraged with a community that’s trying to be fostered into a friendly one.

Lol, that’s an awful reponse, you’ve to be kidding yourself.

Yes, majority off ppl playing mmorpg is not geek/nerds. There is no point to feel special in mmorpg and every1 should just do group hug @ lion arch. <sarcastic>

Not what I said at all….

Point is, in a game, you should be doing things because you enjoy them, if you’re doing it to show off it’s a little bit sad. At the end of the day, eventually the game is going off line, all progress will magically disappear, if weren’t doing it because you enjoyed it I think you may have missed the point of playing a game

Ppl enjoy it and they want to brag basically, why do you think ppl show off standing @ LA. In WoW … Ironforge, or any major city in any mmo. Players play it, enjoy and want to show off. That’s the whole point. You are trimming crap out for the sake of your crappy argument.
Btw you dodged the whole nerd/geek with issues lol. I see what you did, you darn casual.

Protoavis.9107:

Pino.5209:

Protoavis.9107:

Wethospu.6437:

Could you guys explain what so big and important you are going to lose if we get to keep your progress?

Protoavis.9107:

Do you know how many people had maxed out magic find only for it to be striped from their gear, their magic find reduced to zero and be made account wide for everyone….and no one went on the entitlement rampage some are now even though magic find gear was far more obviously intended than 50+ fractals….if you need to rely on a cash store item to progress, that’s pay to win…what are anet against?
—

And people got compensated for losing MF-gear which has also been repeated multiple times. I seriously hope you are trolling.

compensated by having to salvage a tonne of gear to get back their progress…woo!

The biggest compensation was account wide MF structure itself.
Yeah, it’s a slippery slope all these deleting kitten. Doesn’t make it all right.

Well there’s your reward here, account wide fractal levels, even right? At least the account wide fractal level isn’t set to 0 like everyones magic find….

Actually players didn’t lose their MF gears, they get to choose any other stat they want. Gears were not simply deleted as it is the case now with progression.

phys.7689:

Pino.5209:

Explaining the process of how they are going to wipe the bloody progressions, after players spending hours on it, is not going to make it all right to wipe it. No matter how.

Branding players exploiting while aanet basically abandon fractal for a year, is just go kitten awful to treat your players. We were forced to be creative on how to play the kitten fractal for challenges, while you sit and watch doing nothing.

Best solution is to leave the current fractal as it is and open new one with different scale. So be it the old fractals is done.
Wrap up the current fractals, hand out whatever rewards for those reach top level, special skins, cool title or whatever. And wrap it up, leave it as it is. And for once, come out in public, aanet, and admit “we FAIL on this fractal” … let’s start a new one and promise not to abandon the new 1 for freaking whole year.

most MMOs do not change or expand content much for a year, i think you are used to anet doing something every 2 weeks now. In fact many games dont change or expand until an expansion.

I do agree that they could have made the next fractals a different set, and kept access to the old, however that would probably further delay the changes to fractals, personally i would rather be reset to 1 then wait another 6 months for changes, but thats just my opinion.

To be honest i think people are more upset about the idea than the reality.

The reality will be a delete of at least 150 hours hardwork as far as I read the patch notes right… sooo what do I get wrong here?

Nephitis.8201:

Protoavis.9107:

Pino.5209:

Protoavis.9107:

Wethospu.6437:

Could you guys explain what so big and important you are going to lose if we get to keep your progress?

Protoavis.9107:

Do you know how many people had maxed out magic find only for it to be striped from their gear, their magic find reduced to zero and be made account wide for everyone….and no one went on the entitlement rampage some are now even though magic find gear was far more obviously intended than 50+ fractals….if you need to rely on a cash store item to progress, that’s pay to win…what are anet against?
—

And people got compensated for losing MF-gear which has also been repeated multiple times. I seriously hope you are trolling.

compensated by having to salvage a tonne of gear to get back their progress…woo!

The biggest compensation was account wide MF structure itself.
Yeah, it’s a slippery slope all these deleting kitten. Doesn’t make it all right.

Well there’s your reward here, account wide fractal levels, even right? At least the account wide fractal level isn’t set to 0 like everyones magic find….

Actually players didn’t lose their MF gears, they get to choose any other stat they want. Gears were not simply deleted as it is the case now with progression.

touché

spoj.9672:

It makes sense that they reset to 30 because they are introducing instabilities and leadersboards at lvl 30. It doesnt make sense that they are introducing instabilities and leaderboards at lvl 30 instead of lvl 50. Which is why the reset is kitten ing a lot of people off.

Actually it makes perfect sense to start at level 30 instead of 50. It’s about accessibility for the community. 30 is much more feasible when it comes to getting people to commit to reaching that target to experience instabilities. If they didn’t change it until level 50 then people that have given up on reaching 50 more likely than not wouldn’t be enticed back to Fractals to try and reach content they already have given up on due to level.

Level 30 gives you accessibility that’s reasonable for most people with a moderate degree of effort. It’ll be a challenge for some to get there, yet won’t feel as insurmountable kitten does for many.

Resetting everyone to 30 means that no one is automatically inserted into the new Fractal system having already skipped 20 or so levels of the new challenges. Congratulations for those that got to 50 and beyond in the old system, you definitely earned that. However this is a different path of progression now, and no one is being allowed to skip content and go straight to the end.

Starting at 30 also means that lower level (and new) players have a buffer before instabilities where they can learn the mechanics of the Fractals and experience them first, then gain familiarity with agony and how AR works. By the time you hit level 30 you should be well versed enough to handle greater challenges.

Pino.5209:

Protoavis.9107:

Pino.5209:

Protoavis.9107:

read it, don’t agree with it (the only thing I do agree with in that article is how eve got crafting resources right). The whole article basically stems down to players wanting to be “special” and will do things they don’t even like to be “special” (why people do things they don’t enjoy beyond the bragging right of it is beyond me) which probably translates to a self confidence issue in the real world which isn’t about enjoying the game or the play style but about bragging rights which in itself isn’t a desirable personality trait or something that should be encouraged with a community that’s trying to be fostered into a friendly one.

Lol, that’s an awful reponse, you’ve to be kidding yourself.

Yes, majority off ppl playing mmorpg is not geek/nerds. There is no point to feel special in mmorpg and every1 should just do group hug @ lion arch. <sarcastic>

Not what I said at all….

Point is, in a game, you should be doing things because you enjoy them, if you’re doing it to show off it’s a little bit sad. At the end of the day, eventually the game is going off line, all progress will magically disappear, if weren’t doing it because you enjoyed it I think you may have missed the point of playing a game

Ppl enjoy it and they want to brag basically, why do you think ppl show off standing @ LA. In WoW … Ironforge, or any major city in any mmo. Players play it, enjoy and want to show off. That’s the whole point. You are trimming crap out for the sake of your crappy argument.
Btw you dodged the whole nerd/geek with issues lol. I see what you did, you darn casual.

Dodged what? the whole nerd/geek sentence in your initial post isn’t clear english, I have no idea what you were getting at. Any perceived dodging isn’t intentional I just can’t decipher what you were attempting to mean.

An argument you don’t understand or agree with isn’t crappy. lets not start verbally attacking people for disagreeing with you as you have in two posts now…..

I dunno, by going through this thread (and others like it) I don’t see many people saying they loved doing fractals 50+ for the game play, I see a lot of moaning about how much hard non enjoyable effort they put in to get there and are demanding compensation for it, I would imagine if they enjoyed it the fact they enjoyed it would be something they were thankful for.

Nephitis.8201:

Protoavis.9107:

Pino.5209:

Protoavis.9107:

Wethospu.6437:

Could you guys explain what so big and important you are going to lose if we get to keep your progress?

Protoavis.9107:

Do you know how many people had maxed out magic find only for it to be striped from their gear, their magic find reduced to zero and be made account wide for everyone….and no one went on the entitlement rampage some are now even though magic find gear was far more obviously intended than 50+ fractals….if you need to rely on a cash store item to progress, that’s pay to win…what are anet against?
—

And people got compensated for losing MF-gear which has also been repeated multiple times. I seriously hope you are trolling.

compensated by having to salvage a tonne of gear to get back their progress…woo!

The biggest compensation was account wide MF structure itself.
Yeah, it’s a slippery slope all these deleting kitten. Doesn’t make it all right.

Well there’s your reward here, account wide fractal levels, even right? At least the account wide fractal level isn’t set to 0 like everyones magic find….

Actually players didn’t lose their MF gears, they get to choose any other stat they want. Gears were not simply deleted as it is the case now with progression.

The magic find was and seeing as I was talking about magic find….

The reset here is just resetting people to the MAX level before the new content, it’s not like they are resetting people to 0. Honestly Anet should have just removed fractals as part of the LS (since the LS can remove content at any time) and then opened a whole new set of fractals and then in a year as part of the LS add in some story about them figuring out how to access the old fractal levels in the new fractal system sans all the bugs. Maybe then the whining would have stopped.

Pino.5209:

Lol, lots of fanbois causal with pathetic excuses to defend aanet. Look VOLKON is back.
Whatever … peace out.
Time to move on ppl.

I knew you missed me you little snuggle-bunny you.

I think you’re confusing “excuses” with an attempt to look at things logically. For example, why should people be allowed to skip 20 levels of new challenges and difficulties because they mastered an older system that’s being removed? I agree that there should be some form of notoriety for those folks, definitely, but not a Get-Out-Of-Content-Free card. Why should the new content be placed at a level that the vast majority not only won’t be able to reach but will be discouraged from even trying to reach in the first place? That’s just a poor business decision there.

VOLKON.1290:

spoj.9672:

It makes sense that they reset to 30 because they are introducing instabilities and leadersboards at lvl 30. It doesnt make sense that they are introducing instabilities and leaderboards at lvl 30 instead of lvl 50. Which is why the reset is kitten ing a lot of people off.

Actually it makes perfect sense to start at level 30 instead of 50. It’s about accessibility for the community. 30 is much more feasible when it comes to getting people to commit to reaching that target to experience instabilities. If they didn’t change it until level 50 then people that have given up on reaching 50 more likely than not wouldn’t be enticed back to Fractals to try and reach content they already have given up on due to level.

Level 30 gives you accessibility that’s reasonable for most people with a moderate degree of effort. It’ll be a challenge for some to get there, yet won’t feel as insurmountable kitten does for many.

Resetting everyone to 30 means that no one is automatically inserted into the new Fractal system having already skipped 20 or so levels of the new challenges. Congratulations for those that got to 50 and beyond in the old system, you definitely earned that. However this is a different path of progression now, and no one is being allowed to skip content and go straight to the end.

Starting at 30 also means that lower level (and new) players have a buffer before instabilities where they can learn the mechanics of the Fractals and experience them first, then gain familiarity with agony and how AR works. By the time you hit level 30 you should be well versed enough to handle greater challenges.

actually it would make perfect sence for you to start at Level -12/-13 you loose 51 Level from your about 28/29 and I loose 51 Levels from my 81 … stop trolling and posting LIES ty!

Protoavis.9107:

Nephitis.8201:

Protoavis.9107:

Pino.5209:

Protoavis.9107:

Wethospu.6437:

Could you guys explain what so big and important you are going to lose if we get to keep your progress?

Protoavis.9107:

Do you know how many people had maxed out magic find only for it to be striped from their gear, their magic find reduced to zero and be made account wide for everyone….and no one went on the entitlement rampage some are now even though magic find gear was far more obviously intended than 50+ fractals….if you need to rely on a cash store item to progress, that’s pay to win…what are anet against?
—

And people got compensated for losing MF-gear which has also been repeated multiple times. I seriously hope you are trolling.

compensated by having to salvage a tonne of gear to get back their progress…woo!

The biggest compensation was account wide MF structure itself.
Yeah, it’s a slippery slope all these deleting kitten. Doesn’t make it all right.

Well there’s your reward here, account wide fractal levels, even right? At least the account wide fractal level isn’t set to 0 like everyones magic find….

Actually players didn’t lose their MF gears, they get to choose any other stat they want. Gears were not simply deleted as it is the case now with progression.

There magic find was and seeing as I was talking about magic find….

Their magic find… hell, my magic find, was definitely changed, but in exchange we got account wide MF, a nice boost to get things started and a really simple means to built MF for the entire account without having to sacrifice stats. MF became more accessible for everyone at any level. It was worth the trade off (to me) to sacrifice a high MF on one character temporarily when the long term projections were taken into account.

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

actually it would make perfect sence for you to start at Level -12/-13 you loose 51 Level from your about 28/29 and I loose 51 Levels from my 81 … stop trolling and posting LIES ty!

Which are 31 levels higher than you were supposed to be, so don’t expect any sympathy there.
The max-level was supposed to be 50, but people abused certain parts of the game in order to bypass that cap. ArenaNet shouldn’t (and won’t) take those people into consideration.

Protoavis.9107:

Nephitis.8201:

Protoavis.9107:

Pino.5209:

Protoavis.9107:

Wethospu.6437:

Could you guys explain what so big and important you are going to lose if we get to keep your progress?

Protoavis.9107:

Do you know how many people had maxed out magic find only for it to be striped from their gear, their magic find reduced to zero and be made account wide for everyone….and no one went on the entitlement rampage some are now even though magic find gear was far more obviously intended than 50+ fractals….if you need to rely on a cash store item to progress, that’s pay to win…what are anet against?
—

And people got compensated for losing MF-gear which has also been repeated multiple times. I seriously hope you are trolling.

compensated by having to salvage a tonne of gear to get back their progress…woo!

The biggest compensation was account wide MF structure itself.
Yeah, it’s a slippery slope all these deleting kitten. Doesn’t make it all right.

Well there’s your reward here, account wide fractal levels, even right? At least the account wide fractal level isn’t set to 0 like everyones magic find….

Actually players didn’t lose their MF gears, they get to choose any other stat they want. Gears were not simply deleted as it is the case now with progression.

There magic find was and seeing as I was talking about magic find….

Magic find was a stat from gears. Their time and effort in getting those gears were not being deleted, they still get to keep those gears.

Nephitis.8201:

Magic find was a stat from gears. Their time and effort in getting those gears were not being deleted, they still get to keep those gears.

People will not lose the rewards for doing lvl 31+ Fractals either.

VOLKON.1290:

Protoavis.9107:

Nephitis.8201:

Protoavis.9107:

Pino.5209:

Protoavis.9107:

Wethospu.6437:

Could you guys explain what so big and important you are going to lose if we get to keep your progress?

Protoavis.9107:

Do you know how many people had maxed out magic find only for it to be striped from their gear, their magic find reduced to zero and be made account wide for everyone….and no one went on the entitlement rampage some are now even though magic find gear was far more obviously intended than 50+ fractals….if you need to rely on a cash store item to progress, that’s pay to win…what are anet against?
—

And people got compensated for losing MF-gear which has also been repeated multiple times. I seriously hope you are trolling.

compensated by having to salvage a tonne of gear to get back their progress…woo!

The biggest compensation was account wide MF structure itself.
Yeah, it’s a slippery slope all these deleting kitten. Doesn’t make it all right.

Well there’s your reward here, account wide fractal levels, even right? At least the account wide fractal level isn’t set to 0 like everyones magic find….

Actually players didn’t lose their MF gears, they get to choose any other stat they want. Gears were not simply deleted as it is the case now with progression.

There magic find was and seeing as I was talking about magic find….

Their magic find… hell, my magic find, was definitely changed, but in exchange we got account wide MF, a nice boost to get things started and a really simple means to built MF for the entire account without having to sacrifice stats. MF became more accessible for everyone at any level. It was worth the trade off (to me) to sacrifice a high MF on one character temporarily when the long term projections were taken into account.

Which is my point, it was for the greater good as is this change. People lost progress back then and were required to regain it, as they are now. Overall point is, if people complain every time someone looses progress the game is forced to stagnate in various areas instead of improving for everyone.

phys.7689:

Wethospu.6437:

Could you guys explain what so big and important you are going to lose if we get to keep your progress?

Protoavis.9107:

Do you know how many people had maxed out magic find only for it to be striped from their gear, their magic find reduced to zero and be made account wide for everyone….and no one went on the entitlement rampage some are now even though magic find gear was far more obviously intended than 50+ fractals….if you need to rely on a cash store item to progress, that’s pay to win…what are anet against?
—

And people got compensated for losing MF-gear which has also been repeated multiple times. I seriously hope you are trolling.

i honestly dont care if you kept your progress up till 50, even though to be honest, you havent really earned the new 50. I just dont really care if you did or you didnt.

The truth is, your old game mode died, 31+ fractals that you used to play no longer exist. They wont have the same amounts of monsters, they wont hit as hard or have as much defense, the boss will be harder some of the time, and they will have new conditions to challenge you. The records you have no longer apply.

Now if you, to deal with this loss get some personal advantage and get to skip to the end of the new game, i dont really care. If it makes you feel better for your loss, fine. But dont act like you earned these levels, you wouldnt really be keeping your level, you would be getting access to a new level, a shortcut.

Personally, i would only want achievements i earned, not the ability to skip ahead, but since you did lose your game mode, whatevers clever. For me its more about actually achieving or doing something than the mechanical number next to my name, or skipping ahead to the things i didnt earn, but some people like to go straight to the end of the game.

That should have also applied to MF-rework then. System got changed. No one had earned anything.

Put still, people got compensated. But I guess you deleted all your MF-gear.

lordkrall.7241:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

actually it would make perfect sence for you to start at Level -12/-13 you loose 51 Level from your about 28/29 and I loose 51 Levels from my 81 … stop trolling and posting LIES ty!

Which are 31 levels higher than you were supposed to be, so don’t expect any sympathy there.
The max-level was supposed to be 50, but people abused certain parts of the game in order to bypass that cap. ArenaNet shouldn’t (and won’t) take those people into consideration.

I why I was supposed to be somwhere I did scale 81 when they said it’s an infinity dungeon before any agony cap at scale 50 … ooooo Boy don’t speak if your not informed … Show me a single post that a dev Posts that I shoulnd’t be on 81… when I hit 81 … I asked em they didn’t answer guess I’m supposed to be there… why are you sooo jalous ?

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

I why I was supposed to be somwhere I did scale 81 when they said it’s an infinity dungeon before any agony cap at scale 50 … ooooo Boy don’t speak if your not informed … Show me a single post that a dev Posts that I shoulnd’t be on 81… when I hit 81 … I asked em they didn’t answer guess I’m supposed to be there… why are you sooo jalous ?

Why do you think you can’t mitigate the Agony at lvl 51 no matter how much AR you have?

lordkrall.7241:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

I why I was supposed to be somwhere I did scale 81 when they said it’s an infinity dungeon before any agony cap at scale 50 … ooooo Boy don’t speak if your not informed … Show me a single post that a dev Posts that I shoulnd’t be on 81… when I hit 81 … I asked em they didn’t answer guess I’m supposed to be there… why are you sooo jalous ?

Why do you think you can’t mitigate the Agony at lvl 51 no matter how much AR you have?

you were able to do scale 70 Maw with a great Timing on rez book deathshroud ect so 1 guy didn’t get killed I did it with rez orb a Group that arrived at that scale after us did it with perfect Timing of Guardian books / necro deathshroud ele rez signet and heal on a extra set of full healspec…agony was diffrent back than and didn’t 1 hit you even on higher scales … sooo you could nigiate it with skill and groupplay what a dungeon that is considered the hardest dungeon should be about ? right? arguments that is invalid to get there aren’t valid at all!

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

VOLKON.1290:

spoj.9672:

It makes sense that they reset to 30 because they are introducing instabilities and leadersboards at lvl 30. It doesnt make sense that they are introducing instabilities and leaderboards at lvl 30 instead of lvl 50. Which is why the reset is kitten ing a lot of people off.

Actually it makes perfect sense to start at level 30 instead of 50. It’s about accessibility for the community. 30 is much more feasible when it comes to getting people to commit to reaching that target to experience instabilities. If they didn’t change it until level 50 then people that have given up on reaching 50 more likely than not wouldn’t be enticed back to Fractals to try and reach content they already have given up on due to level.

Level 30 gives you accessibility that’s reasonable for most people with a moderate degree of effort. It’ll be a challenge for some to get there, yet won’t feel as insurmountable kitten does for many.

Resetting everyone to 30 means that no one is automatically inserted into the new Fractal system having already skipped 20 or so levels of the new challenges. Congratulations for those that got to 50 and beyond in the old system, you definitely earned that. However this is a different path of progression now, and no one is being allowed to skip content and go straight to the end.

Starting at 30 also means that lower level (and new) players have a buffer before instabilities where they can learn the mechanics of the Fractals and experience them first, then gain familiarity with agony and how AR works. By the time you hit level 30 you should be well versed enough to handle greater challenges.

actually it would make perfect sence for you to start at Level -12/-13 you loose 51 Level from your about 28/29 and I loose 51 Levels from my 81 … stop trolling and posting LIES ty!

Trolling and posting lies? Really? Our opinions differ but that’s no reason to be insulting.

I’m stating why to me, logically, a reset to 30 makes sense. It is true, and I readily admit, that the change won’t affect me. But regardless I’m not the type to allow emotions to cloud logical thinking.

lordkrall.7241:

Nephitis.8201:

Magic find was a stat from gears. Their time and effort in getting those gears were not being deleted, they still get to keep those gears.

People will not lose the rewards for doing lvl 31+ Fractals either.

It is not the same, the rewards for doing lvl 31+ Fractals is comparable to the higher rewards they got by wearing MF gears, which they also get to keep.

VOLKON.1290:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

VOLKON.1290:

spoj.9672:

It makes sense that they reset to 30 because they are introducing instabilities and leadersboards at lvl 30. It doesnt make sense that they are introducing instabilities and leaderboards at lvl 30 instead of lvl 50. Which is why the reset is kitten ing a lot of people off.

Actually it makes perfect sense to start at level 30 instead of 50. It’s about accessibility for the community. 30 is much more feasible when it comes to getting people to commit to reaching that target to experience instabilities. If they didn’t change it until level 50 then people that have given up on reaching 50 more likely than not wouldn’t be enticed back to Fractals to try and reach content they already have given up on due to level.

Level 30 gives you accessibility that’s reasonable for most people with a moderate degree of effort. It’ll be a challenge for some to get there, yet won’t feel as insurmountable kitten does for many.

Resetting everyone to 30 means that no one is automatically inserted into the new Fractal system having already skipped 20 or so levels of the new challenges. Congratulations for those that got to 50 and beyond in the old system, you definitely earned that. However this is a different path of progression now, and no one is being allowed to skip content and go straight to the end.

Starting at 30 also means that lower level (and new) players have a buffer before instabilities where they can learn the mechanics of the Fractals and experience them first, then gain familiarity with agony and how AR works. By the time you hit level 30 you should be well versed enough to handle greater challenges.

actually it would make perfect sence for you to start at Level -12/-13 you loose 51 Level from your about 28/29 and I loose 51 Levels from my 81 … stop trolling and posting LIES ty!

Trolling and posting lies? Really? Our opinions differ but that’s no reason to be insulting.

I’m stating why to me, logically, a reset to 30 makes sense. It is true, and I readily admit, that the change won’t affect me. But regardless I’m not the type to allow emotions to cloud logical thinking.

tell me the logic behind deleting legit Progress without compensation or a game it happened before ? and it was legit Progress I know a Group hitting 80 after us that could avoid maw agony ( back than agony was diffrent ) with a perfect Timing of guardbooks deathshroud from necro and ele rez, all on an extra set with healing power.

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

Protoavis.9107:

VOLKON.1290:

Protoavis.9107:

Nephitis.8201:

Protoavis.9107:

Pino.5209:

Protoavis.9107:

Wethospu.6437:

Could you guys explain what so big and important you are going to lose if we get to keep your progress?

Protoavis.9107:

Do you know how many people had maxed out magic find only for it to be striped from their gear, their magic find reduced to zero and be made account wide for everyone….and no one went on the entitlement rampage some are now even though magic find gear was far more obviously intended than 50+ fractals….if you need to rely on a cash store item to progress, that’s pay to win…what are anet against?
—

And people got compensated for losing MF-gear which has also been repeated multiple times. I seriously hope you are trolling.

compensated by having to salvage a tonne of gear to get back their progress…woo!

The biggest compensation was account wide MF structure itself.
Yeah, it’s a slippery slope all these deleting kitten. Doesn’t make it all right.

Well there’s your reward here, account wide fractal levels, even right? At least the account wide fractal level isn’t set to 0 like everyones magic find….

Actually players didn’t lose their MF gears, they get to choose any other stat they want. Gears were not simply deleted as it is the case now with progression.

There magic find was and seeing as I was talking about magic find….

Their magic find… hell, my magic find, was definitely changed, but in exchange we got account wide MF, a nice boost to get things started and a really simple means to built MF for the entire account without having to sacrifice stats. MF became more accessible for everyone at any level. It was worth the trade off (to me) to sacrifice a high MF on one character temporarily when the long term projections were taken into account.

Which is my point, it was for the greater good as is this change. People lost progress back then and were required to regain it, as they are now. Overall point is, if people complain every time someone looses progress the game is force to stagnate in various areas instead of improving for everyone.

Ppl got compensated for they’re Progress back than so they should do this noo… man either you won’t understand it and are a troll or you aren’t the smartest guy in town!

Really, I didn’t maintain my magic find without having to salvage a tonne of gears to re-earn it. I didn’t get some exclusive reward that no one in the future would ever be able to obtain like people are asking for now as compensation…all I got was the loot I already had and a worthless set of gear that couldn’t be sold as I already had all stat combinations I required on that toon and resulted in 4 ecto’s….I’ll give you four ecto’s if you want, it’s great compensation

really resorting to personal attacks?

lordkrall.7241:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

actually it would make perfect sence for you to start at Level -12/-13 you loose 51 Level from your about 28/29 and I loose 51 Levels from my 81 … stop trolling and posting LIES ty!

Which are 31 levels higher than you were supposed to be, so don’t expect any sympathy there.
The max-level was supposed to be 50, but people abused certain parts of the game in order to bypass that cap. ArenaNet shouldn’t (and won’t) take those people into consideration.

For once just stop defending ANet on absolutely everything… They could have locked off fractals over level 50 by changing 1 line of code. They knew people had got to level 80 or were getting there, at any time they could have said that they were going to do this. Now all they have done is waste those peoples time due to being so short sighted.

Protoavis.9107:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

Protoavis.9107:

VOLKON.1290:

Protoavis.9107:

Nephitis.8201:

Protoavis.9107:

Pino.5209:

Protoavis.9107:

Wethospu.6437:

Could you guys explain what so big and important you are going to lose if we get to keep your progress?

Protoavis.9107:

Do you know how many people had maxed out magic find only for it to be striped from their gear, their magic find reduced to zero and be made account wide for everyone….and no one went on the entitlement rampage some are now even though magic find gear was far more obviously intended than 50+ fractals….if you need to rely on a cash store item to progress, that’s pay to win…what are anet against?
—

And people got compensated for losing MF-gear which has also been repeated multiple times. I seriously hope you are trolling.

compensated by having to salvage a tonne of gear to get back their progress…woo!

The biggest compensation was account wide MF structure itself.
Yeah, it’s a slippery slope all these deleting kitten. Doesn’t make it all right.

Well there’s your reward here, account wide fractal levels, even right? At least the account wide fractal level isn’t set to 0 like everyones magic find….

Actually players didn’t lose their MF gears, they get to choose any other stat they want. Gears were not simply deleted as it is the case now with progression.

There magic find was and seeing as I was talking about magic find….

Their magic find… hell, my magic find, was definitely changed, but in exchange we got account wide MF, a nice boost to get things started and a really simple means to built MF for the entire account without having to sacrifice stats. MF became more accessible for everyone at any level. It was worth the trade off (to me) to sacrifice a high MF on one character temporarily when the long term projections were taken into account.

Which is my point, it was for the greater good as is this change. People lost progress back then and were required to regain it, as they are now. Overall point is, if people complain every time someone looses progress the game is force to stagnate in various areas instead of improving for everyone.

Ppl got compensated for they’re Progress back than so they should do this noo… man either you won’t understand it and are a troll or you aren’t the smartest guy in town!

Really, I didn’t maintain my magic find without having to salvage a tonne of gears to re-earn it. I didn’t get some exclusive reward that no one in the future would ever be able to obtain like people are asking for now as compensation…all I got was the loot I already had and a worthless set of gear that couldn’t be sold as I already had all stat combinations I required on that toon and resulted in 4 ecto’s….I’ll give you four ecto’s if you want, it’s great compensation

really resorting to personal attacks?

so you got compensation what you do with it your Problem but no Need to argue ppl got compensated again.. Name me 1 MMO were legit LEVELPROGRESS has been deleted so far?

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

VOLKON.1290:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

VOLKON.1290:

spoj.9672:

It makes sense that they reset to 30 because they are introducing instabilities and leadersboards at lvl 30. It doesnt make sense that they are introducing instabilities and leaderboards at lvl 30 instead of lvl 50. Which is why the reset is kitten ing a lot of people off.

Actually it makes perfect sense to start at level 30 instead of 50. It’s about accessibility for the community. 30 is much more feasible when it comes to getting people to commit to reaching that target to experience instabilities. If they didn’t change it until level 50 then people that have given up on reaching 50 more likely than not wouldn’t be enticed back to Fractals to try and reach content they already have given up on due to level.

Level 30 gives you accessibility that’s reasonable for most people with a moderate degree of effort. It’ll be a challenge for some to get there, yet won’t feel as insurmountable kitten does for many.

Resetting everyone to 30 means that no one is automatically inserted into the new Fractal system having already skipped 20 or so levels of the new challenges. Congratulations for those that got to 50 and beyond in the old system, you definitely earned that. However this is a different path of progression now, and no one is being allowed to skip content and go straight to the end.

Starting at 30 also means that lower level (and new) players have a buffer before instabilities where they can learn the mechanics of the Fractals and experience them first, then gain familiarity with agony and how AR works. By the time you hit level 30 you should be well versed enough to handle greater challenges.

actually it would make perfect sence for you to start at Level -12/-13 you loose 51 Level from your about 28/29 and I loose 51 Levels from my 81 … stop trolling and posting LIES ty!

Trolling and posting lies? Really? Our opinions differ but that’s no reason to be insulting.

I’m stating why to me, logically, a reset to 30 makes sense. It is true, and I readily admit, that the change won’t affect me. But regardless I’m not the type to allow emotions to cloud logical thinking.

tell me the logic behind deleting legit Progress without compensation or a game it happened before ? and it was legit Progress I know a Group hitting 80 after us that could avoid maw agony ( back than agony was diffrent ) with a perfect Timing of guardbooks deathshroud from necro and ele rez, all on an extra set with healing power.

If you take a moment to review my posts you’ll see that I agree there should be some form of compensation, notoriety, something for those that maxed out Fractals under the old system. I don’t think anyone reasonably could come up with an argument against that (but people may differ on the type of award).

But here’s the thing… what you did back then no longer applies. You haven’t progressed at all against the new challenges, but you’re saying you should be given a free pass for the challenges and go straight to the highest level because you did that under the old system. That’s like demanding all A’s in high school because you got them in junior high. It’s a new system. New challenges. Well done on what you achieved under the old one, but that one will be gone. Let’s see if you can do it again with new challenges in place.

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

Protoavis.9107:

Really, I didn’t maintain my magic find without having to salvage a tonne of gears to re-earn it. I didn’t get some exclusive reward that no one in the future would ever be able to obtain like people are asking for now as compensation…all I got was the loot I already had and a worthless set of gear that couldn’t be sold as I already had all stat combinations I required on that toon and resulted in 4 ecto’s….I’ll give you four ecto’s if you want, it’s great compensation

really resorting to personal attacks?

so you got compensation what you do with it your Problem but no Need to argue ppl got compensated again.. Name me 1 MMO were legit LEVELPROGRESS has been deleted so far?

You’re not losing any “legit level progress”. You’re still level 80. Your progress is Fractals is being locked because that old content will no longer be available, but you’ll be able to start the new Fractal challenges at fractal level 30.

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

Protoavis.9107:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

Protoavis.9107:

VOLKON.1290:

Protoavis.9107:

Nephitis.8201:

Protoavis.9107:

Pino.5209:

Protoavis.9107:

Wethospu.6437:

Could you guys explain what so big and important you are going to lose if we get to keep your progress?

Protoavis.9107:

Do you know how many people had maxed out magic find only for it to be striped from their gear, their magic find reduced to zero and be made account wide for everyone….and no one went on the entitlement rampage some are now even though magic find gear was far more obviously intended than 50+ fractals….if you need to rely on a cash store item to progress, that’s pay to win…what are anet against?
—

And people got compensated for losing MF-gear which has also been repeated multiple times. I seriously hope you are trolling.

compensated by having to salvage a tonne of gear to get back their progress…woo!

The biggest compensation was account wide MF structure itself.
Yeah, it’s a slippery slope all these deleting kitten. Doesn’t make it all right.

Well there’s your reward here, account wide fractal levels, even right? At least the account wide fractal level isn’t set to 0 like everyones magic find….

Actually players didn’t lose their MF gears, they get to choose any other stat they want. Gears were not simply deleted as it is the case now with progression.

There magic find was and seeing as I was talking about magic find….

Their magic find… hell, my magic find, was definitely changed, but in exchange we got account wide MF, a nice boost to get things started and a really simple means to built MF for the entire account without having to sacrifice stats. MF became more accessible for everyone at any level. It was worth the trade off (to me) to sacrifice a high MF on one character temporarily when the long term projections were taken into account.

Which is my point, it was for the greater good as is this change. People lost progress back then and were required to regain it, as they are now. Overall point is, if people complain every time someone looses progress the game is force to stagnate in various areas instead of improving for everyone.

Ppl got compensated for they’re Progress back than so they should do this noo… man either you won’t understand it and are a troll or you aren’t the smartest guy in town!

Really, I didn’t maintain my magic find without having to salvage a tonne of gears to re-earn it. I didn’t get some exclusive reward that no one in the future would ever be able to obtain like people are asking for now as compensation…all I got was the loot I already had and a worthless set of gear that couldn’t be sold as I already had all stat combinations I required on that toon and resulted in 4 ecto’s….I’ll give you four ecto’s if you want, it’s great compensation

really resorting to personal attacks?

so you got compensation what you do with it your Problem but no Need to argue ppl got compensated again.. Name me 1 MMO were legit LEVELPROGRESS has been deleted so far?

But you are being compensated. You’re being put at the MAX LEVEL before the new content (so am I really, got to 34 down to 30 for me) and if that compensation isn’t enough I’ll give you the compensation I got with the MF change, account wide level and 4 ecto’s.

lordkrall.7241:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

I why I was supposed to be somwhere I did scale 81 when they said it’s an infinity dungeon before any agony cap at scale 50 … ooooo Boy don’t speak if your not informed … Show me a single post that a dev Posts that I shoulnd’t be on 81… when I hit 81 … I asked em they didn’t answer guess I’m supposed to be there… why are you sooo jalous ?

Why do you think you can’t mitigate the Agony at lvl 51 no matter how much AR you have?

Late to the debate, but they did say the dungeon is infinite. The levels can go on and on. Being limited to a max agony cap prevents this. So, the dungeon is essentially soft capped at 50 or 55 or whatever.

I’ve learned not to believe the hype in GW2 machine. I knew that some how this dungeon was not infinite. It was infinite so long as there is enough agony resist in the game, and there isnt.

VOLKON.1290:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

Protoavis.9107:

Really, I didn’t maintain my magic find without having to salvage a tonne of gears to re-earn it. I didn’t get some exclusive reward that no one in the future would ever be able to obtain like people are asking for now as compensation…all I got was the loot I already had and a worthless set of gear that couldn’t be sold as I already had all stat combinations I required on that toon and resulted in 4 ecto’s….I’ll give you four ecto’s if you want, it’s great compensation

really resorting to personal attacks?

so you got compensation what you do with it your Problem but no Need to argue ppl got compensated again.. Name me 1 MMO were legit LEVELPROGRESS has been deleted so far?

You’re not losing any “legit level progress”. You’re still level 80. Your progress is Fractals is being locked because that old content will no longer be available, but you’ll be able to start the new Fractal challenges at fractal level 30.

look I think I now got what you try to say… it’s true we didn’t the old stuff ( still I personally think the new won’t be that hard if you know the old pretty well since it’s all the same fractals just 1 new mechanic) anyway…. The Point is I get kittenstormed from so many ppl that I’m an exploiter ect atm that I don’t really defer who’s speaking to me and don’t read to closly so to sum it up you want:
that all starts where Content is new no matter if it is lvl 1 or 50 or 30 in our case.
what I want is:
that a Company can’t delete legit Progress if they intend to do they should speak to their community or at least have a legit form of Retro reward that is at least as exclusive as having those Levels.

so we completly speaking about diffrent Topics there would be no Problem if they just have done seperate fractals volume2 but the diffrence between the existing ones I have experienced and the new ones seem to be not tooo big. So personally I guess I have enough experience after few runs with new mechanics to easy complete old fractals on scale 81 or 80 depending if they release the hardcap again(at least if my 5 ar is still enough). It’s only 1 new out of many mechanics you Need to look at the whole old dungeon is the same where you basicaly know every mob. I personally and others do as well don’t think the Content will be hard in a sence of skill maybe to aquire all gear.. but as I have showed in the past I did all they’re so called hard Content without having issues. Means I never ever had to think about bufffood ( besides the mf buffood I use now and than). → Shows all Content out of last year wasn’t hard for me just another Promis to do things hard ( btw 80 was completed by some vets latly with no gear on.. showing how easy it is … new fractals won’t be hard:)) so yeah there is my Point why I could Keep my Progress without harming guys since I guess I could do it still on that lvl and wanna do it without beeing forced to farm up to Show it

Wethospu.6437:

phys.7689:

Wethospu.6437:

Could you guys explain what so big and important you are going to lose if we get to keep your progress?

Protoavis.9107:

Do you know how many people had maxed out magic find only for it to be striped from their gear, their magic find reduced to zero and be made account wide for everyone….and no one went on the entitlement rampage some are now even though magic find gear was far more obviously intended than 50+ fractals….if you need to rely on a cash store item to progress, that’s pay to win…what are anet against?
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And people got compensated for losing MF-gear which has also been repeated multiple times. I seriously hope you are trolling.

i honestly dont care if you kept your progress up till 50, even though to be honest, you havent really earned the new 50. I just dont really care if you did or you didnt.

The truth is, your old game mode died, 31+ fractals that you used to play no longer exist. They wont have the same amounts of monsters, they wont hit as hard or have as much defense, the boss will be harder some of the time, and they will have new conditions to challenge you. The records you have no longer apply.

Now if you, to deal with this loss get some personal advantage and get to skip to the end of the new game, i dont really care. If it makes you feel better for your loss, fine. But dont act like you earned these levels, you wouldnt really be keeping your level, you would be getting access to a new level, a shortcut.

Personally, i would only want achievements i earned, not the ability to skip ahead, but since you did lose your game mode, whatevers clever. For me its more about actually achieving or doing something than the mechanical number next to my name, or skipping ahead to the things i didnt earn, but some people like to go straight to the end of the game.

That should have also applied to MF-rework then. System got changed. No one had earned anything.

Put still, people got compensated. But I guess you deleted all your MF-gear.

yes i had a full magic find charachter, with all exotics, they deleted her magic find. They didnt compensate for magic find, they just didnt destroy the gear.

The equivalent of what you want, is for them to start you at 150 account magic find because you previously had 150 magic find. they didnt do that, so i dont know why you guys are bringing up magic find.

And to be honest, although i lost all that magic find, and honestly probably wouldnt even have gotten that charachter any exotics at all if i had known (i got like 3 naked level 80 charachters who i havent bothered to gear up) Im not really mad at them, because the account magic find system is a much better solution to the whole entire magic find system. It has even improved the desirability of items that were useless before. It was more than worth it. So i wasted some money on exotics for a charachter i no longer play, who cares. The game is a lot better for it.

look man, if they give you access to level 50 for free, i really dont care, but dont mistake the truth, you have not earned the new level 50. They would just be giving you a shortcut because they feel bad they killed your game mode.

And lets be honest the people saying they deleted your hard work, are not being accurate, whatever work you did, gave you drops, massive karma gains, fractal skins etc. They are not deleting your hard work, they are deleting the place you went to do that work. Your complaint thus should be that you dont want new fractals, with new mechanics, new rewards. You want to be able to grind in your place of choice. it may be a valid argument, but its not the same argument.

I honestly wouldnt support them not adding the new fractals for your benefit, because its better for the game, if they want to keep your old fractals in a corner somewhere with no new development, i wouldnt mind, but if its a choice, im sorry but i prefer the better system than the broken older system. Even if they start me at 1

cesmode.4257:

lordkrall.7241:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

I why I was supposed to be somwhere I did scale 81 when they said it’s an infinity dungeon before any agony cap at scale 50 … ooooo Boy don’t speak if your not informed … Show me a single post that a dev Posts that I shoulnd’t be on 81… when I hit 81 … I asked em they didn’t answer guess I’m supposed to be there… why are you sooo jalous ?

Why do you think you can’t mitigate the Agony at lvl 51 no matter how much AR you have?

Late to the debate, but they did say the dungeon is infinite. The levels can go on and on. Being limited to a max agony cap prevents this. So, the dungeon is essentially soft capped at 50 or 55 or whatever.

I’ve learned not to believe the hype in GW2 machine. I knew that some how this dungeon was not infinite. It was infinite so long as there is enough agony resist in the game, and there isnt.

not quite true it isn’t infinite the scaling of Mobs and my experience Shows it is finit at scale 80 every scale that you open higher than 80 will port you back into 80 so if you open 81 81 or whatever you will get ported back to 80 instance.. what happened to us on thrid fractal when we wanted to finish 81 is I think a rare bug ( there are several things that bug out on 80 so I think it was designed to be 80 caps same for Mobs that aren’t 85 and should be 85)

nope I take your Illusion it’s not only because of gear you can’t Progress the dungeon itself isn’t designed infinite.

leaderboards would only make sence if the dungeon was infinite and not geargated so ppl with highest Levels that are fighting actually fighting over the challenge to complete that Level.

I don’t get the QQ. I mean…it’s not like Anet blew up all of tyria, shut down the game and told us….come back next year and the world will be “reborn”. Oh and you’ll have to buy the game again….

If getting to the high level fractals was a challenge you enjoyed then you should enjoy the BRAND NEW challenges that you’ll be facing starting with the different gambits at level 30. It’s not just going to be a stupid “how to overcome the suicide machine” there will be actual mechanics to figure out how to progress through the level. (is my hope anyway based on what I’ve read)

Or are you afraid that you can’t get back up to your old level?

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

cesmode.4257:

lordkrall.7241:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

I why I was supposed to be somwhere I did scale 81 when they said it’s an infinity dungeon before any agony cap at scale 50 … ooooo Boy don’t speak if your not informed … Show me a single post that a dev Posts that I shoulnd’t be on 81… when I hit 81 … I asked em they didn’t answer guess I’m supposed to be there… why are you sooo jalous ?

Why do you think you can’t mitigate the Agony at lvl 51 no matter how much AR you have?

Late to the debate, but they did say the dungeon is infinite. The levels can go on and on. Being limited to a max agony cap prevents this. So, the dungeon is essentially soft capped at 50 or 55 or whatever.

I’ve learned not to believe the hype in GW2 machine. I knew that some how this dungeon was not infinite. It was infinite so long as there is enough agony resist in the game, and there isnt.

not quite true it isn’t infinite the scaling of Mobs and my experience Shows it is finit at scale 80 every scale that you open higher than 80 will port you back into 80 so if you open 81 81 or whatever you will get ported back to 80 instance.. what happened to us on thrid fractal when we wanted to finish 81 is I think a rare bug ( there are several things that bug out on 80 so I think it was designed to be 80 caps same for Mobs that aren’t 85 and should be 85)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_igZIivu3E

nope I take your Illusion it’s not only because of gear you can’t Progress the dungeon itself isn’t designed infinite.

leaderboards would only make sence if the dungeon was infinite and not geargated so ppl with highest Levels that are fighting actually fighting over the challenge to complete that Level.

Then you further proved the point that the dungeon itself is not infinite despite what arenanet touted when the dungeon was released. They claimed it was an infinite dungeon. It isn’t. Instead of a soft cap determined by agony resist, the dungeon itself hard caps at 80 it seems. So..to be blunt..was this another misleading attempt from Arenanet to create excitement amongst the ‘progression’ based playerbase into thinking that they now have a dungeon that infinitely scales, when in reality it doesnt?

khani.4786:

Or are you afraid that you can’t get back up to your old level?

Anet devs have said it won’t be that hard. This post is so…. Skeevy.
Regardless, I can pretty much guarantee anyone who got to 80 in the old fracs will likely be the first to get to the new cap, and they will likely be done in a fraction of the time it took them to get to 80. That will make them more mad, because the challenge isn’t actually there…. But that’s if this doesn’t make them quit altogether.

I’ll miss you guys if you quit. Please don’t T.T

khani.4786:

I don’t get the QQ. I mean…it’s not like Anet blew up all of tyria, shut down the game and told us….come back next year and the world will be “reborn”. Oh and you’ll have to buy the game again….

If getting to the high level fractals was a challenge you enjoyed then you should enjoy the BRAND NEW challenges that you’ll be facing starting with the different gambits at level 30. It’s not just going to be a stupid “how to overcome the suicide machine” there will be actual mechanics to figure out how to progress through the level. (is my hope anyway based on what I’ve read)

Or are you afraid that you can’t get back up to your old level?

This keeps getting tossed around and it’s really annoying.

Lets reset all of your characters to level 1 and remove all the gear. You already had your fun leveling up, and you did it for the challenge, so what, are you scared you can’t get back to lvl 80? Are you scared you can’t farm another legendary.

Logic is hard.

Did anyone actually think that they would somehow magically be able to create something that is impossible?
It is completely impossible to create something that is infinite, since sooner or later the scaling would simply make every single attack 1-hit kill the player.

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

VOLKON.1290:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

Protoavis.9107:

Really, I didn’t maintain my magic find without having to salvage a tonne of gears to re-earn it. I didn’t get some exclusive reward that no one in the future would ever be able to obtain like people are asking for now as compensation…all I got was the loot I already had and a worthless set of gear that couldn’t be sold as I already had all stat combinations I required on that toon and resulted in 4 ecto’s….I’ll give you four ecto’s if you want, it’s great compensation

really resorting to personal attacks?

so you got compensation what you do with it your Problem but no Need to argue ppl got compensated again.. Name me 1 MMO were legit LEVELPROGRESS has been deleted so far?

You’re not losing any “legit level progress”. You’re still level 80. Your progress is Fractals is being locked because that old content will no longer be available, but you’ll be able to start the new Fractal challenges at fractal level 30.

look I think I now got what you try to say… it’s true we didn’t the old stuff ( still I personally think the new won’t be that hard if you know the old pretty well since it’s all the same fractals just 1 new mechanic) anyway…. The Point is I get kittenstormed from so many ppl that I’m an exploiter ect atm that I don’t really defer who’s speaking to me and don’t read to closly so to sum it up you want:
that all starts where Content is new no matter if it is lvl 1 or 50 or 30 in our case.
what I want is:
that a Company can’t delete legit Progress if they intend to do they should speak to their community or at least have a legit form of Retro reward that is at least as exclusive as having those Levels.

so we completly speaking about diffrent Topics there would be no Problem if they just have done seperate fractals volume2 but the diffrence between the existing ones I have experienced and the new ones seem to be not tooo big. So personally I guess I have enough experience after few runs with new mechanics to easy complete old fractals on scale 81 or 80 depending if they release the hardcap again(at least if my 5 ar is still enough). It’s only 1 new out of many mechanics you Need to look at the whole old dungeon is the same where you basicaly know every mob. I personally and others do as well don’t think the Content will be hard in a sence of skill maybe to aquire all gear.. but as I have showed in the past I did all they’re so called hard Content without having issues. Means I never ever had to think about bufffood ( besides the mf buffood I use now and than). -> Shows all Content out of last year wasn’t hard for me just another Promis to do things hard ( btw 80 was completed by some vets latly with no gear on.. showing how easy it is … new fractals won’t be hard:)) so yeah there is my Point why I could Keep my Progress without harming guys since I guess I could do it still on that lvl and wanna do it without beeing forced to farm up to Show it

its not going to be harder, its going to be different. you havent shown or proven anything in the new content. Im not saying you cant beat it, im saying you have not beat it.
If they make a queens jubilee arena next year with 3 new enemies, random conditions in each match, fixed mob ai, and a revised liadri, should they let you skip to the end because you beat a different arena last time?

imo no, because its different.

do i care that much if you skip? not really, but imo you wouldnt really have beat the new arena, just the new boss.

lordkrall.7241:

Did anyone actually think that they would somehow magically be able to create something that is impossible?
It is completely impossible to create something that is infinite, since sooner or later the scaling would simply make every single attack 1-hit kill the player.

So this is your reasoning for why they should reset out levels? Not only is it flawed ignorant, it’s irrelevant.

I did the work too somewhen when they go to rework fractals I will have a challenge somwhere around Level 200 or so maybe… so it was work now they set me back to 30 tell me it’s difficulty is about 50-60 if you go 30-50 and yeah I see only grind no challenge soo…

for you a question are you afraid that I take your illusions by completing 81 day 1 the patch is out?

phys.7689:

its not going to be harder, its going to be different. you havent shown or proven anything in the new content. Im not saying you cant beat it, im saying you have not beat it.
If they make a queens jubilee arena next year with 3 new enemies, random conditions in each match, fixed mob ai, and a revised liadri, should they let you skip to the end because you beat a different arena last time?

imo no, because its different.

do i care that much if you skip? not really, but imo you wouldnt really have beat the new arena, just the new boss.

So then add it at 50, where the soft cap was earlier.

Give the people 50+ a cool looking fractal skin that’s a different color, and let them pick the weapon.

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JMar.3254:

So this is your reasoning for why they should reset out levels? Not only is it flawed ignorant, it’s irrelevant.

No, it is an answer to some posts in this thread that talks about it being advertised as an infinite dungeon.

Context is quite important when reading posts.