Guild Wars 2

I await the glory of conquering Mists Instabilities. I hope that the pinnacle of such achievements is having to acquire a stacking toughness sigil and only being able to damage such bosses with 25 toughness stacks.

Selenya.6410:

@ Patrikan: Quoting from another thread, so that i can avoid to point it out once again. Have fun.

I tell you a secret we used revive orbs in the area of maw not on the edge of the rock or somthing we didn’t know about those exploits back than. Since this guy doesn’t even know that the first hardcap they made was scale 40 and not 50 it seems he isn’t that informed. look at this thread : https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Fractals-cap-80/page/2#post3230095

We had no idea that we shoulnd’t be there in the firstplace we asked on the Forums there was only silent they could have told us.. so you can’t blame us for using game mechanics as revive orbs… what you are telling that they haven’t intended it came here:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/In-my-view-gw2-is-geartrademill/first#post1390754

so this post is 2 months Later..

So turn on your brain…

Correct I did Fractals perfectly legit to the best of knowledge availible on the time I played it… if they wanted just a single post could have helped out.

but now they take away my lvl and if you say it’s only numbers they take away about 12 k Karma from each run as well!

aelfwe.4239:

on second approach when i read people saying “dev didnt say us was not allowed to go at level 80” even after dev has changed maw agony to make it impossible to been exploited, it’s under a psicological point of view really interesting…

Okey, that made me laugh.

I feel bad now.

Upham.6137:

aelfwe.4239:

on second approach when i read people saying “dev didnt say us was not allowed to go at level 80” even after dev has changed maw agony to make it impossible to been exploited, it’s under a psicological point of view really interesting…

Okey, that made me laugh.

I feel bad now.

nice attempt what for ppl that got to 81 before a dev did tell anything you can’t blame me that I can’t read the minds of dev’s that think I exploit but wait 2 1/2 months to tell they didn’t intend us to be there

I find it pretty funny.
I knew people who got to 81 soon after fractals was released, these people realised that with the ring and back piece only they shouldn’t be progressing anywhere near that level as it wasn’t intended. After the patch people still pushed passed 50 for reasons unknown. If it’s for the challenge then you should be welcoming this new challenge all the way back up to 80. If it’s to /brag, then now you have a system that you can show off too and the race really begins to see which group is the fastest to the top.

I only feel sorry for those who have little time to play and have made their way to 50 so they could work on their own gear. Everyone else. meh.

Zenith.7301:

Agree to disagree tbh. HotW is just HotW.

Let’s try again, shall we? I agree that doing similiar amount of dps as warrior and let’s say ranger (I assume that’s your profession) is easier for warrior (lower skill ceiling). But you seem to completely ignore the correlation between having enough reflects and facerolling fractals. You can have 5 warriors but without guardians or mesmers to support them with reflects you will have problems even with basic content like harpies or even asura.

Warriors reign over other professions where dodging is important (i.e. lupicus) since typical warrior build has more evades than perma vigour elementalist or guardian. But where projectile reflections matter (i.e. imbued shaman, mossman) warrior does not offer anything except banners and easily stackable fury, especially that you cannot burst bosses at higher levels.

Watch closely those speedruns on youtube.

They should keep the level at at least 48.
Maybe the leaderbord shouldn’t work based on level, but on completion ?

Like, you earn X/Y point when completing the fractal.
X be the level of the fractal and Y is 80, or something along the way.

So completing higher level gives you more points, but it’s harder and slower to do.
Everyone can keep its progress that way, they just have to find the right equation.

To people defeinding the patch.

Not only they will lower fractal level….they will also give fractal skins from level 10…

Lets make a similar experiment…

lets put a npc in lion arch selling Molten skins for 1 Gold …..

Nothing else will persuade me that they are not totally ruining dedicated fractal players progression….

But i can see why people that almost never played fractals will be happy with the patch.. still i believe to be really selfish on your side.

You want an easy way to preserve old fractal players progression?

Change trail color on NEW fractal weapons so old fractal players at least have something exclusive….

OR

Make skins sellable…at least we recover some gold we lost playing the hardest and lowest reward istance in game

Also give something to people with fotm level >30 PER character.

Don t selectively delete months of progression of some players!

I am one of those players that got past 50+ fotm. I welcome the reset to 30. I would still do fotm because I like it.

I am one of those people who avoid pugs. but fotm 50+, I have about 2 other friends that I do it with, because they enjoy it. so 100% of the time when I do 50+, I have to pug at least 1 guy.

what I don’t like is the leader board. It invite too much trolls elitists. If you are not an elitist, you will find yourself becoming one. because lets face it. who want to play/ carry the random sucky guys?

ps. agree with the guy above. make the old skins exclusive. because i feel like I earned them with hard work and run many fotm for them. with the new reward system, It’s kinda a slap in the face. it should still be lvl 20 to get skins/weapons.

Hey Anet,

I am extremely unsatisfied with the fractal changes. I have been playing PVE in MMOs for many years now and I have never encountered a situation like this. I can hardly believe what I am reading; you are RESETTING the progression I have made in fractals? The personal goals I have set and accomplished are now being wiped clean?

This is absolutely unacceptable. I understand the need for change, as all MMO evolve over time. I recall when WoW was removing factions/achievements/quests/storylines from their original game to make way for more content but Blizzard did not remove my faction rep, my achievement points, my quest history or completed story line to do so. So to have my PERSONAL reward level reset is extremely unnerving. Now that I know that having (what seemed like permanent) achievements being erased is on the table to be done whenever you see fit, I am questioning my loyalty to this game. I am not saying “Thats it, I’m out”, but I can’t say my resolve to remain with GW2 is as strong as before I heard about these changes. I dont enjoy having to worry if my accomplishments are safe or not in the MMOs I play.

I have no idea what will happen with these changes, good or bad, but I can tell you that not matter what the outcome, I will never attempt to get my friends or family to play GW2 again. Why on earth would I want to convince them to play something I may not play, simply because you, Anet, want to toy around with my past accomplishments? Let’s suppose the proposed changes are the most amazing refinement to a game ever and the mere mention of the name “ArenaNet” causes angels to cry forth from secret hiding spots. Who is to say that future personal level rewards wont be wiped due to unseen circumstances? Or that perhaps a zone needs to be redone, requiring all hearts and quests need to be redone for completion?

In short, these changes to FOTM are unsatisfactory and will ultimately hurt the longevity of the game we all care about. Please remedy this Anet.

Atherakhia.4086:

If you can tell me a single item or skill you lose by having your fractal level reduced to 30 we’ll talk.

Basically, some portion of the player base decided that the fractal level you have access to is a sort of ‘PvE rank’ – after all, the number goes up – and that removing those higher level fractals from the game is a forced regression of their progress.

That A.Net didn’t intend it to be that way doesn’t matter, it’s now a niche form of player progression that’s particularly important to those players that are really invested in it.

It’s not an easy thing to deal with, because the arguments for a change are pretty compelling, and you don’t want to be held hostage by some emergent niche progression. At the same time, I imagine that the people with access to fractal level > 50 feel like members of a pretty exclusive club, and interpret this as having their cool exclusive toy taken away.

I’m having trouble seeing this as more than a pretty bad marketing failure, but it is not obvious how to avoid it at all…

Personally I hate that after grinding for the maximum scale I have to grind for it again. I’m literally losing some effort I have put in this game.

Only saving grace is if new scale 30 is really hard but I really doubt that.

As a bystander with no dog in this fight (frac lvl 26), I have to say that I would thoroughly be upset if I spent money on gems for revive orbs to progress with my fractal level only to be taken away.

Wethospu.6437:

Only saving grace is if new scale 30 is really hard but I really doubt that.

It cannot be hard because of the vast amount of people who refuse to improve their gameplay (don’t confuse that with casuals).

I cant believe. Instead of new world maps, hardcore istances, classes, skills they had the insane idea of resetting personal fractal levels…
Pve is definitely dead. If u want ridicolous missions, nonsense farming and gold selling gw2 is your game.
Personally, i have a quick solution: Log Out—>Disinstall
gg.

I’m struggling to think of an instance in an MMO where player progress has been reset on purpose outside of bugs or the result of an exploit. Personally, I always thought it one of the big No No’s of online gaming.

It’s user/customer perception that is just as important as the facts and on this aspect the level reset seems a very bad move.

A probably better solution would be to add a one off title track that gives people who were reset something to show for their efforts.

LordByron.8369:

To people defeinding the patch.

Not only they will lower fractal level….they will also give fractal skins from level 10…

Lets make a similar experiment…

lets put a npc in lion arch selling Molten skins for 1 Gold …..

Nothing else will persuade me that they are not totally ruining dedicated fractal players progression….

But i can see why people that almost never played fractals will be happy with the patch.. still i believe to be really selfish on your side.

You want an easy way to preserve old fractal players progression?

Change trail color on NEW fractal weapons so old fractal players at least have something exclusive….

OR

Make skins sellable…at least we recover some gold we lost playing the hardest and lowest reward istance in game

Also give something to people with fotm level >30 PER character.

Don t selectively delete months of progression of some players!

going by the dev, they say they did not alter the fractal drop rate

“Spoiler: there was always a rare chance to get them in the 10-20ish. The only change we made was to make them skins so you can apply them without spending a transmutation stone”

If this is true, the fractal weapon change is not a change and is not easier to get.

as for reseting people to 50=>30
there will be some new mechanics, but i dont know if this requires a reset he says fractals 30-50 wnt really be harder, although they may be different. perhaps they should let people keep their levels up to 50. the 50+ people ehhhh your levels mean nothing because that mode doesnt really exist and was not really intended to. the multiple patches to disable 51+ kind of made this obvious. You guys were basically breaking into an unfinished map, cant expect them to cater to you too much. It was fun while it lasted.

that said i think they missed a chance here to create a system for those who just like super hardcore stuff. Maybe they should add increased difficulty teirs, and a title which can display your current highest progress, think like wvw ranks.

create a mechanical difficulty algorithm, (more mobs, more dmg) and just let people see how far they can get. point out that it is unbalanced and may not be possible to get pst certain levels.

so it would be like beat 50, unlock bronze 1, beat bronze 50, unlock iron 1.

give people a title that shows whatever they are currently. iron runner 49 for example.

ehhh well something along those lines

I don’t see any problem. You’re still higher than most other players at level 30 and the difficulty of all levels above 30 has been increased significantly, so even if you reached 50, it isn’t difficult compared to the new levels 30+, so you don’t loose anything. The system just changed and this is just a nonsense thread.

Can just sombody tell me what Point there is in resetting us … ok we didn’t Play the new fractals… but if they are as hard as anet says we can’t Play em on 81 so we get to lower lvls anyway … I can’t get over the Feeling that they are afraid we Play em on 79 or check if 80 is still the cap with opening 81.. and tell everybody that it actually can be done easely at 79 still and there are no good rewards so ppl don’t Play it…

Sirendor.1394:

I don’t see any problem. You’re still higher than most other players at level 30 and the difficulty of all levels above 30 has been increased significantly, so even if you reached 50, it isn’t difficult compared to the new levels 30+, so you don’t loose anything. The system just changed and this is just a nonsense thread.

btw dev posted 40-50 is about 50-59 in old fractals so yep I saw that difficulty I’m 81 sooo why should I farm those easy Levels again?

phys.7689:

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as for reseting people to 50=>30
there will be some new mechanics, but i dont know if this requires a reset he says fractals 30-50 wnt really be harder, although they may be different. perhaps they should let people keep their levels up to 50. the 50+ people ehhhh your levels mean nothing because that mode doesnt really exist and was not really intended to. the multiple patches to disable 51+ kind of made this obvious. You guys were basically breaking into an unfinished map, cant expect them to cater to you too much. It was fun while it lasted.
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They could have changed ONE value in their code to prevent access to scale 50+. Either they are extremely incompetent (why bother making so many patches and still fail hard) or they allowed us to go there.
Also how is just going to fractals now “breaking into an unfinished map”?

All we wanted to do is play their game and now we are getting punished for it.

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

btw dev posted 40-50 is about 50-59 in old fractals so yep I saw that difficulty I’m 81 sooo why should I farm those easy Levels again?

Faceroll, here I come.

While this is not completely congruent, I can remember decisions made about titles in Guild Wars 1 that received much the same reception.

Defender of Ascalon title was once only accomplishable by death leveling. Anyone who did this (and it was mind-numbingly boring), did it because they wanted a title that required a huge amount of work. Now anyone can get it over time by doing the dailies in Pre every day which takes a few minutes.

For the Survivor title, it use to be that people would have to survive on a single character, and get all the experience on that character. If that character even died a single time, your title track was broken and you had to get it on a different character. No more. Now even if you die on a character, you can still get the survivor title.

The drunkard title track was changed so that you could continuously consume alcohol instead of having to wait and time it, making the title track many times easier.

These grinds took a tremendous amount of time, and the titles earned by them became almost meaningless after those changes took effect. No one would ever know that my Survivor was a Survivor, for example, without doing the Kilroy Stonekin over and over with no chance of dying.

The 80th level fractals were more rewarding loot wise than anything I’ve listed above BY FAR. They also confer no title. There was no title track for this. People made their own goals and should be satisfied that they reached those goals, but within the context of the game, it’s a number that goes up on a dungeon that no one can see except for the four guys going with you. It’s meaningless in the context of the broader game.

Does it suck? Probably? Is it as kittenome people are making out?

People felt just the same way when titles they killed themselves to get were made meaningless.

Fractal was kind of the only instance in gw2 that was actually challenging.
And now they reset us all back to 30.. man……
30+ better be challenging now.. and 40+ close to impossible.

It’s just the pvp qualifiying points all over again.
People get lots of QP in paid pvp tournament and they end up getting removed.
And all the effort for getting the points gone.. Got them a title though.

Vayne.8563:

The 80th level fractals were more rewarding loot wise than anything I’ve listed above BY FAR.

True, we should compare doing something challenging to grinding or clicking on a beverage icon every few minutes.

Vayne.8563:

While this is not completely congruent, I can remember decisions made about titles in Guild Wars 1 that received much the same reception.

Defender of Ascalon title was once only accomplishable by death leveling. Anyone who did this (and it was mind-numbingly boring), did it because they wanted a title that required a huge amount of work. Now anyone can get it over time by doing the dailies in Pre every day which takes a few minutes.

For the Survivor title, it use to be that people would have to survive on a single character, and get all the experience on that character. If that character even died a single time, your title track was broken and you had to get it on a different character. No more. Now even if you die on a character, you can still get the survivor title.

The drunkard title track was changed so that you could continuously consume alcohol instead of having to wait and time it, making the title track many times easier.

These grinds took a tremendous amount of time, and the titles earned by them became almost meaningless after those changes took effect. No one would ever know that my Survivor was a Survivor, for example, without doing the Kilroy Stonekin over and over with no chance of dying.

The 80th level fractals were more rewarding loot wise than anything I’ve listed above BY FAR. They also confer no title. There was no title track for this. People made their own goals and should be satisfied that they reached those goals, but within the context of the game, it’s a number that goes up on a dungeon that no one can see except for the four guys going with you. It’s meaningless in the context of the broader game.

Does it suck? Probably? Is it as kittenome people are making out?

People felt just the same way when titles they killed themselves to get were made meaningless.

- true they made Things easier with the Defender of ascalon.. but they do make fractals easier as well I don’t complain I won’t see ppl with 5 agony resistance at 80 again

-but fractal scale 80 was lootwise not better than scale 50 ever since … and before the update so when I played the loot was worse because with the hardcap there came a lootupdate… so the loot was meaningless I can promise you I played all the way legit with daily chest from 1-81 rarest item I got was worth 2 Gold.. I got some accoundbound exos about 7 and the complete Drops from 1-50 were worth way more than the ones I got from 50-80… so it’s RNG but you can’t tell I had better Drops.. the relics cap at 15 this is what you get for beeing 50… this with the Drops is a Lie otherwise I would have a legendary with 14k achievs and 3.5k hours played by now

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

Clivar.3176:

Selenya.6410:

I’ll try to point out couple of things and my 2 cents over this whole story:

1) Turn it like you want dear ppl, yeah you who reached lvl 80 when it was clear we shouldnt go there. I have not one, nor 2, but 3 characters at lvl 50, capable group to run stuff with, 50+ fractal skins in my vault+chars, over 500 pristine fractal relics.
Whoever reached lvl 80 first 2 months FoTm was released, did it abusing of stealth kits, teleport guns, healing seeds and yada yada. Beyond those, just for JM: revival orbs, dark fields, ress tricks. That does not require skills, that’s just cheap.
“We got no response from devs cap was below a certain lvl”. Well, if you can’t proceed normally and only need to do odd lvls, go figure… Seriously, I’m amazed from ppl sometimes… I’m sorry, cant be with you on this point.
To all those braggin about lvl 80: done wrong from the root.

Gotta agree on this. Sure u have spend heaps of time getting to max fractal lvl but honestly why do u want arenanet to take it into account. Seriously.. you werent supposed to reach such high lvls by design. And dont tell me “its 100% legit” cuz it isnt. It involved 100th times of dying and using the tricks as stated above.

Besides, the only time ppl who would know that u are at such a high lvl fractal at this time is when you created that lvl fractal (which u wouldnt because u probably never play that lvl anymore).
This patch gives u the opportunity to show the world how good u really are. Now reaching a certain fractal lvl has a meaning. You should be freaking happy…

Tell me 1 reason why we should expect a so called infinite dungeon as it was called to have a cap and not be there for progressing ? tell me what is an exploit about using Rez orbs as part of the game mechanics to advance? so I see you just have about 0 clue how FotM worked back than .. sooo don’t Keep saying we exploited.. or that we knew we shoulnd’t advance it is just NOT TRUE!

So you are telling me, while dying instantly and using 100s of gold on orbs and repairs, you still didnt realise it wasnt intended by design to go that far in fractals. Im not saying I dont admire your patience and dedication but you cant expect arenanet to give u something for something that was never intended. I have seen the tactics myself for instance: at Jade maw, ressing a dead player to 99% and then waiting for the agony attack to kick in before ressing him up. You can argue with me all you like but you cannot deny that those tactics were mostly the (ab)use of game flaws.

Arenanet did cap fractals but not by limiting the lvl. The cap itself was the agony. So no it isnt an infinite dungeon.

I’m 80 atm. The problem is i’m not interested playing easy lvls again (i mean under lvl48).
Lvls under 40 are boring like farming queensdale mobs. I’m not interested in rewards. I want the possibility to open a decent lvl to have some fun. Thats all.

Vayne.8563:

While this is not completely congruent, I can remember decisions made about titles in Guild Wars 1 that received much the same reception.

Defender of Ascalon title was once only accomplishable by death leveling. Anyone who did this (and it was mind-numbingly boring), did it because they wanted a title that required a huge amount of work. Now anyone can get it over time by doing the dailies in Pre every day which takes a few minutes.

For the Survivor title, it use to be that people would have to survive on a single character, and get all the experience on that character. If that character even died a single time, your title track was broken and you had to get it on a different character. No more. Now even if you die on a character, you can still get the survivor title.

The drunkard title track was changed so that you could continuously consume alcohol instead of having to wait and time it, making the title track many times easier.

These grinds took a tremendous amount of time, and the titles earned by them became almost meaningless after those changes took effect. No one would ever know that my Survivor was a Survivor, for example, without doing the Kilroy Stonekin over and over with no chance of dying.

The 80th level fractals were more rewarding loot wise than anything I’ve listed above BY FAR. They also confer no title. There was no title track for this. People made their own goals and should be satisfied that they reached those goals, but within the context of the game, it’s a number that goes up on a dungeon that no one can see except for the four guys going with you. It’s meaningless in the context of the broader game.

Does it suck? Probably? Is it as kittenome people are making out?

People felt just the same way when titles they killed themselves to get were made meaningless.

Difference was, people’s survivor, drunkard, etc wasn’t bumped down to the previous tier just because a new way was implemented if doing it. Sure it became easier to get, but then everything in an MMO does over time.

The issue’s is around people’s perception of how they have been treated. Which is actually pretty important when it comes to customer retention and money spent in the gem store.

A probably more pertinent set of questions would be
If you have had your fractal level reset, how likely are you to redo them?
Has this decision improved, degraded or given no chance your view of Arenanet
How likely has this incident made you want to buy items from the gem store or support Arenanet in the future.

Wethospu.6437:

phys.7689:

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as for reseting people to 50=>30
there will be some new mechanics, but i dont know if this requires a reset he says fractals 30-50 wnt really be harder, although they may be different. perhaps they should let people keep their levels up to 50. the 50+ people ehhhh your levels mean nothing because that mode doesnt really exist and was not really intended to. the multiple patches to disable 51+ kind of made this obvious. You guys were basically breaking into an unfinished map, cant expect them to cater to you too much. It was fun while it lasted.
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They could have changed ONE value in their code to prevent access to scale 50+. Either they are extremely incompetent (why bother making so many patches and still fail hard) or they allowed us to go there.
Also how is just going to fractals now “breaking into an unfinished map”?

All we wanted to do is play their game and now we are getting punished for it.

Depending on how it was programmed it may not have been a simple change. maybe it was, regardless it was impossible to do without a gem store item, and eventually even that failed, or so i hear.

Basically they put a wall up, and people got by that wall because they already passed that wall. When it became the case that no new people could pass that wall, it should have become clear that you were in the forbidden playground.

Im not saying your evil, im saying you guys broke the game, but it wasnt really hurting anyone, so they didnt rush to reset you all, and turn off access and all that. They probably at that point werent even sure if they were going to eventually lower you, perhaps they may have continued and let you keep the levels. But that was just a chance.

Im also not saying they shouldnt make content for you, but to be honest making the new mode of fractals only available to people 80+ is too long of a grind, and was never intended. There wasnt much real change from 30 to 50 other than damage/enemies (according to devs) they want there to be a qualitative difference in play earlier on. im guessing they havent unlocked 50+ because when and if they do, they want it also to have a qualitative change, that alters the mechanics, or feel of playing past 50.

Not really saying they should punish you, but you realize with this patch there will be no access to 51+ right? what exactly would be the point of your level 80 if there is no longer any access to that zone? if 50-80 end up being entirely new content, should you be able to skip it because you beat some old archaic mode that no longer exists?

now the 50-30 people, they may have a point, it was doable, and sanctioned, the new levels apparently wont be more difficult than the old level 30-50, (though they will be different) resetting them to 30 seems to be mostly leaderboard focused, and i dont know if that really matters. I think they should probably give people who go 30+ 40+ and reached 50 under the old system some type of cosmetic, or title upgrade, heck they could even give people 50+ something like “fractal breaker” title. But you cant really expect them to keep what amounts to a dev bugged zone as the standard.

phys.7689:

But you cant really expect them to keep what amounts to a dev bugged zone as the standard.

I would be inclined to agree if ANet refunded the money spent on gems to access the “bugged zone.”

Ashen.2907:

phys.7689:

But you cant really expect them to keep what amounts to a dev bugged zone as the standard.

I would be inclined to agree if ANet refunded the money spent on gems to access the “bugged zone.”

why should they refund you gems for accessing the bugged zone? no one ever asked you to try to break the wall via gems? If we found out using the speed boost item allowed you to run through certain walls, and behind these walls was an unfinished dungeon, should they refund your gems for buying this item?

When they closed this use, and you only had access because you unlocked what amounted to a waypoint, didnt you figure hey guys we are in a bugged zone that isnt currently accessible except by us and the people we choose to invite.

Should they make everyone now do everything you did, when they never intended you to break through the wall?

They mislabeled it an infinite dungeon, it was not that. But you guys had to realize you werent where you were supposed to be some time ago. You enjoyed being there, but dont expect the game to cater to you, or refund you money for the tool you used to break the mode.

Going to a portal and clicking “Enter” isn’t exactly same as running through a wall.

That’s all I did. Unfair to punish me if other people cheated! But hey, as long as the game caters to you it’s all right!

Clivar.3176:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

Clivar.3176:

Selenya.6410:

I’ll try to point out couple of things and my 2 cents over this whole story:

1) Turn it like you want dear ppl, yeah you who reached lvl 80 when it was clear we shouldnt go there. I have not one, nor 2, but 3 characters at lvl 50, capable group to run stuff with, 50+ fractal skins in my vault+chars, over 500 pristine fractal relics.
Whoever reached lvl 80 first 2 months FoTm was released, did it abusing of stealth kits, teleport guns, healing seeds and yada yada. Beyond those, just for JM: revival orbs, dark fields, ress tricks. That does not require skills, that’s just cheap.
“We got no response from devs cap was below a certain lvl”. Well, if you can’t proceed normally and only need to do odd lvls, go figure… Seriously, I’m amazed from ppl sometimes… I’m sorry, cant be with you on this point.
To all those braggin about lvl 80: done wrong from the root.

Gotta agree on this. Sure u have spend heaps of time getting to max fractal lvl but honestly why do u want arenanet to take it into account. Seriously.. you werent supposed to reach such high lvls by design. And dont tell me “its 100% legit” cuz it isnt. It involved 100th times of dying and using the tricks as stated above.

Besides, the only time ppl who would know that u are at such a high lvl fractal at this time is when you created that lvl fractal (which u wouldnt because u probably never play that lvl anymore).
This patch gives u the opportunity to show the world how good u really are. Now reaching a certain fractal lvl has a meaning. You should be freaking happy…

Tell me 1 reason why we should expect a so called infinite dungeon as it was called to have a cap and not be there for progressing ? tell me what is an exploit about using Rez orbs as part of the game mechanics to advance? so I see you just have about 0 clue how FotM worked back than .. sooo don’t Keep saying we exploited.. or that we knew we shoulnd’t advance it is just NOT TRUE!

So you are telling me, while dying instantly and using 100s of gold on orbs and repairs, you still didnt realise it wasnt intended by design to go that far in fractals. Im not saying I dont admire your patience and dedication but you cant expect arenanet to give u something for something that was never intended. I have seen the tactics myself for instance: at Jade maw, ressing a dead player to 99% and then waiting for the agony attack to kick in before ressing him up. You can argue with me all you like but you cannot deny that those tactics were mostly the (ab)use of game flaws.

Arenanet did cap fractals but not by limiting the lvl. The cap itself was the agony. So no it isnt an infinite dungeon.

ehm… another fun fact here we did scale 73 or 74 to 81 in about 8 1 /2 hours… if you sum it up those runs are faster than lvl 10 runs atm … so we had a good Group didn’t wipe to often and got most things done fast… still we needed those revive orbs. They shoulnd’t give me somthing… they just shoulnd’t take somthing away from me… my personalreward number and my 10k+ Karma each run I get for beeing that high… so you really don’t get it I don’t ask for anything besides not take anything away from me… if they would delete all legendaries and say well those were to Money based.. than you can argue as well baaaah guys you should have known in the firstplace that farming Money isn’t truly legendary… sooo you guys should be fine if the Company takes away what you worked for hard in the firstplace because you can know: FARMING MONEY ISN’T LEGENDARY ! would you be ok with that?

phys.7689:

Ashen.2907:

phys.7689:

But you cant really expect them to keep what amounts to a dev bugged zone as the standard.

I would be inclined to agree if ANet refunded the money spent on gems to access the “bugged zone.”

why should they refund you gems for accessing the bugged zone? no one ever asked you to try to break the wall via gems? If we found out using the speed boost item allowed you to run through certain walls, and behind these walls was an unfinished dungeon, should they refund your gems for buying this item?

When they closed this use, and you only had access because you unlocked what amounted to a waypoint, didnt you figure hey guys we are in a bugged zone that isnt currently accessible except by us and the people we choose to invite.

Should they make everyone now do everything you did, when they never intended you to break through the wall?

They mislabeled it an infinite dungeon, it was not that. But you guys had to realize you werent where you were supposed to be some time ago. You enjoyed being there, but dont expect the game to cater to you, or refund you money for the tool you used to break the mode.

You are making an inaccurate assumption.

I have not played Fractals at the mentioned levels and do not know anyone who has.

ANet sold a product to people knowing that the product was being used to progress in certain content. I would tend to agree that the refunds should not cover purchases made after they, “closed this use,” though.

Wethospu.6437:

Going to a portal and clicking “Enter” isn’t exactly same as running through a wall.

That’s all I did. Unfair to punish me if other people cheated! But hey, as long as the game caters to you it’s all right!

punishing you would be banning you. really all they are doing is finally completely patching the hole and removing the teleport to that zone. (speaking for 51+) 31+ people have a more legitimate beef.

and not really about catering to me, I m not really opposed to letting you guys have your playground, but it honestly makes little sense from a design/development standpoint. The only way around it design wise, is to essentially make two fractal paths, give no benefit and titles to 50-80 on the old path.

problems with that design wise is
its going to be confusing which path you are on

50-80 old path would essentially be a dead relic of a game mode, not getting anymore development, and not giving reward for all the work

even though 1-30 is the same on both paths you would probably have to relevel to 30, or create some confusing system to decide which path to take, inevitably many would take the dead end path by mistake and wonder why its abandoned.

even though its probably like .01% who have access to and enjoy this dead end mode, you would have to set aside server space and extra resources, and development just to not support it that well.

yall essentially moved into an abandoned building, should they never build anything there again because you got by while the guard was sleeping?

More analogies.

I’d be glad if guild wars 2 reset and revamp spvp/tpvp ranking. Anyway, this thread is full of “I’m the victim now, and I will fully play this role with crappy analogies”, and “I didn’t know, so I did nothing wrong”. Very constructive. If you didn’t know reset could be a possibility in a broken content: Welcome to the mmo world I guess.

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Ashen.2907:

phys.7689:

Ashen.2907:

phys.7689:

But you cant really expect them to keep what amounts to a dev bugged zone as the standard.

I would be inclined to agree if ANet refunded the money spent on gems to access the “bugged zone.”

why should they refund you gems for accessing the bugged zone? no one ever asked you to try to break the wall via gems? If we found out using the speed boost item allowed you to run through certain walls, and behind these walls was an unfinished dungeon, should they refund your gems for buying this item?

When they closed this use, and you only had access because you unlocked what amounted to a waypoint, didnt you figure hey guys we are in a bugged zone that isnt currently accessible except by us and the people we choose to invite.

Should they make everyone now do everything you did, when they never intended you to break through the wall?

They mislabeled it an infinite dungeon, it was not that. But you guys had to realize you werent where you were supposed to be some time ago. You enjoyed being there, but dont expect the game to cater to you, or refund you money for the tool you used to break the mode.

You are making an inaccurate assumption.

I have not played Fractals at the mentioned levels and do not know anyone who has.

ANet sold a product to people knowing that the product was being used to progress in certain content. I would tend to agree that the refunds should not cover purchases made after they, “closed this use,” though.

no game company, or producer of items covers refunds for improper use of an item. People sell lockpicks, if i use it to break into an abandoned building, i cant expect to get a refund if the company decides to fix the locks. The res orb exists outside of fractals it was not marketed as a fractal tool, it existed before fractals. People chose to use it to get around a game mechanic, and get to the forbidden zone. Thats what they wanted out of it, its what they got. They closed the hole, thats all really

haviz.1340:

More analogies.

k, no analogies

You used various methods to get around game mechanics, they tried to patched these methods multiple times, you were in what amounted to a bugged zone.

they remove the bugged zone
you re sad

you really want them to make the whole game revolve around the bugged zone you unlocked? Even if said zone is half finished and poorly designed and implemented? its just illogical

Poplolita.2638:

I’d be glad if guild wars 2 reset and revamp spvp/tpvp ranking. Anyway, this thread is full of “I’m the victim now, and I will fully play this role with crappy analogies”, and “I didn’t know, so I did nothing wrong”. Very constructive. If you didn’t know reset could be a possibility in a broken content: Welcome to the mmo world I guess.

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Legendaries are broken : they are not legendary they are just Money based and can be bought with Money
Dungeons are broken: You just can buy dungeon runs
WvW is broken: not even Server Population ppl who farm wxp on a good Server with big coverage have an Advantage to ppl with less covarge
The Market is Broken: Trading Posts / Bots make more Money a day than ppl playing the game

soooo what to do if things are broken right …. RESET IT !!!!!!!

So reset legendaries… because they are not Money based
reset dungeonmaster titles … becaues buying em isn’t dungeonmastering (EXPLOIT!!!)
reset wvw … Seems unfair to have more wxp than other because of the coverage
reset the Market … seems unfair ppl make more Money on Tp / botting than just playing the game soo reset all Money to 0

And if you have done all this please Reset FotM : because ppl already got there and you make em new now but RESET EM TO 0!

phys.7689:

haviz.1340:

More analogies.

k, no analogies

You used various methods to get around game mechanics, they tried to patched these methods multiple times, you were in what amounted to a bugged zone.

they remove the bugged zone
you re sad

you really want them to make the whole game revolve around the bugged zone you unlocked? Even if said zone is half finished and poorly designed and implemented? its just illogical

tell me 1 Logical reason why wouldn’t they implement a hardcap? they have a hardcap ingame you can’t enter any Level above Level 80 it will just port you to Level 80 if you open a higher scale .. they could easy set this 80 to 50 if they really cared that ppl don’t pass 50.. it would have been so easy… but than they would have had the flaming of the nerf together with the thread ANET is makeing geartreadmill now…. just you should know they could have easy hardccapped it … or tell us we shoulnd’t go there they didn’t do it so blame anet not us

phys.7689:

k, no analogies

You used various methods to get around game mechanics, they tried to patched these methods multiple times, you were in what amounted to a bugged zone.

they remove the bugged zone
you re sad

you really want them to make the whole game revolve around the bugged zone you unlocked? Even if said zone is half finished and poorly designed and implemented? its just illogical

Multiple times being once?

What I would want is some kind of recognition, just like pvp players got titles for being on the poorly designed and implemented QP leaderboard which ceased to exist. It’s completely logical.

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

Poplolita.2638:

I’d be glad if guild wars 2 reset and revamp spvp/tpvp ranking. Anyway, this thread is full of “I’m the victim now, and I will fully play this role with crappy analogies”, and “I didn’t know, so I did nothing wrong”. Very constructive. If you didn’t know reset could be a possibility in a broken content: Welcome to the mmo world I guess.

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Legendaries are broken : they are not legendary they are just Money based and can be bought with Money
Dungeons are broken: You just can buy dungeon runs
WvW is broken: not even Server Population ppl who farm wxp on a good Server with big coverage have an Advantage to ppl with less covarge
The Market is Broken: Trading Posts / Bots make more Money a day than ppl playing the game

soooo what to do if things are broken right …. RESET IT !!!!!!!

So reset legendaries… because they are not Money based
reset dungeonmaster titles … becaues buying em isn’t dungeonmastering (EXPLOIT!!!)
reset wvw … Seems unfair to have more wxp than other because of the coverage
reset the Market … seems unfair ppl make more Money on Tp / botting than just playing the game soo reset all Money to 0

And if you have done all this please Reset FotM : because ppl already got there and you make em new now but RESET EM TO 0!

yeah, thing is the kind of do reset these things sometimes when they are broken. The reset arrow cart mastery, they reset your rating in spvp recently i believe. The change skills, which change builds, and you got to buy new gear for flavor of the month builds. They banned people for snowflake exploit and only reinstated them when they destroyed the money gained or something like that

so yeah in an MMO sometimes broken things get fixed, and you lose the advantages you once had, this is pretty much in the realms of normal for an MMO

What is the point to reset us to level 30 anyway. They said the difficulty for new level 30 will be different than old 30. If that’s true, why are they letting players who are only lvl 30 at that level, if it’s harder they may not even be able to do it.

If they want the “competition to begin in earnest”, why not reset everyone to level 1 then, it’s the best way to ensure everyone can go to the real level he can play.

The answer is easy. If they did that, they’d have a bash-storm on forums and IG. They chose to reset to level 30 just because most players are around those levels or lower, and wouldn’t complain much.

Players dedicated to fractals, who should be the most enthousiastic about a fractal patch (hey, we were waiting for it for 10 months!), are completely thrown away, like our opinion didn’t matter at all… For 10 months, we were saying that Anet had no love for fractals and the players dedicated to it. They just proved us right.

haviz.1340:

phys.7689:

k, no analogies

You used various methods to get around game mechanics, they tried to patched these methods multiple times, you were in what amounted to a bugged zone.

they remove the bugged zone
you re sad

you really want them to make the whole game revolve around the bugged zone you unlocked? Even if said zone is half finished and poorly designed and implemented? its just illogical

Multiple times being once?

What I would want is some kind of recognition, just like pvp players got titles for being on the poorly designed and implemented QP leaderboard which ceased to exist. It’s completely logical.

they first changed the mechanics like search and rescue, deathshroud etc, there was a number of fixes for this from my memory, but doesnt really how many times they tried to close the hole, they tried to close the hole.

Im fine with them giving you a title, i understand it sucks to lose something you may have enjoyed. I suggest you guys campaign for some titles, that seems doable. The fact they will no longer be obtainable is fine, living story has some unobtainable achievements already.

problem is some of you sound like you want them to let you still warp to the level 80 fractals which no longer represent the game mode. say what you want within reason and they may create something for you

Estriella Faerie.4029:

What is the point to reset us to level 30 anyway. They said the difficulty for new level 30 will be different than old 30. If that’s true, why are they letting players who are only lvl 30 at that level, if it’s harder they may not even be able to do it.

If they want the “competition to begin in earnest”, why not reset everyone to level 1 then, it’s the best way to ensure everyone can go to the real level he can play.

The answer is easy. If they did that, they’d have a bash-storm on forums and IG. They chose to reset to level 30 just because most players are around those levels or lower, and wouldn’t complain much.

Players dedicated to fractals, who should be the most enthousiastic about a fractal patch (hey, we were waiting for it for 10 months!), are completely thrown away, like our opinion didn’t matter at all… For 10 months, we were saying that Anet had no love for fractals and the players dedicated to it. They just proved us right.

probably because 1-30 are virtually exactly the same. 30+ s going to be different, but from what Mr ordon said, not really harder strictly speaking.
Also i think from 30+ you could get all the same drops, so its not like your losing access to drops.

i do think it sucks that you may have to do 30-50 again even though its not really harder, but at least its different, maybe it will be more entertaining although not more difficult

Do not do this please
Myself, and plenty others, have worked so hard to get fractals 30+, 40+, and even 70+, on multiple characters because THIS WAS THE ONLY CHALLENGE IN PVE. And we did this for almost NO REWARDS, only the satisfaction of completing it. Reverting all of that progress to level 30 is the biggest slap in the face to the dungeon community you could possibly give, in addition to having ZERO updates to dungeons since you announced that dungeons were getting a revamp almost year ago. Srsly. Number 1 method to completely drive off the only remaining dungeon commuity you have. I completely gave up on pve for this exact reason. Don’t make it worse. Don’t do this.
Try to a least, keep personal reward levels the same, but make everyone start back at level 30, so that everyone who grinded and grinded and grinded to get level 80 get the rewards that are deserved.
Compare fractals 78 to cof p1. It’s not even kittening close.

Manuhell.2759:

phys.7689:

Im fine with them giving you a title, i understand it sucks to lose something you may have enjoyed. I suggest you guys campaign for some titles, that seems doable. The fact they will no longer be obtainable is fine, living story has some unobtainable achievements already.

A title for level 50 could have been fine (albeit, they should have forewarned us long before the change).
But a title for level 80? No way. The last thing this game needs is promoting the use of exploits – and you had to exploit to go until that level.
They already had a consistent karma bonus when doing lower fractals, they don’t need any other prize.

Or should they put a title for every exploit they fix? What next? A nice boat title for boat exploiters in Arah P2? (it would sound fun, though)
Please, no.

tell me 1 exploit I did it legit with using revive orbs part of game mechanics what is the exploit here ? please just tell me I don’t get it if no dev confirms that using rez orbs they considered a exploit don’t tell me it was one!

Quick Mouse.7635:

Do not do this please
Myself, and plenty others, have worked so hard to get fractals 30+, 40+, and even 70+, on multiple characters because THIS WAS THE ONLY CHALLENGE IN PVE. Reverting all of that progress to level 30 is the biggest slap in the face to the dungeon community you could possibly give, in addition to having ZERO updates to dungeons since you announced that dungeons were getting a revamp almost year ago. Srsly. Number 1 method to completely drive off the only remaining dungeon commuity you have.

you re angry, i get that, but you should try to get pass that and verbalize what you actually want here.

Is your main beef the loss of the prestige you felt for the number of fractal you got up to?

Or is your main beef the fact that nothing as hard as level 70 fractals currently planned?

Even if you didnt play SAB do you think that hard mode with different color items/titles was a good system that should be repeated?

try to make your feedback more useful and less full of rage, you may have some good points behind the rage, but its not clear what you want`