Guild Wars 2

phys.7689:

Wethospu.6437:

phys.7689:

Wethospu.6437:

Could you guys explain what so big and important you are going to lose if we get to keep your progress?

Protoavis.9107:

Do you know how many people had maxed out magic find only for it to be striped from their gear, their magic find reduced to zero and be made account wide for everyone….and no one went on the entitlement rampage some are now even though magic find gear was far more obviously intended than 50+ fractals….if you need to rely on a cash store item to progress, that’s pay to win…what are anet against?
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And people got compensated for losing MF-gear which has also been repeated multiple times. I seriously hope you are trolling.

i honestly dont care if you kept your progress up till 50, even though to be honest, you havent really earned the new 50. I just dont really care if you did or you didnt.

The truth is, your old game mode died, 31+ fractals that you used to play no longer exist. They wont have the same amounts of monsters, they wont hit as hard or have as much defense, the boss will be harder some of the time, and they will have new conditions to challenge you. The records you have no longer apply.

Now if you, to deal with this loss get some personal advantage and get to skip to the end of the new game, i dont really care. If it makes you feel better for your loss, fine. But dont act like you earned these levels, you wouldnt really be keeping your level, you would be getting access to a new level, a shortcut.

Personally, i would only want achievements i earned, not the ability to skip ahead, but since you did lose your game mode, whatevers clever. For me its more about actually achieving or doing something than the mechanical number next to my name, or skipping ahead to the things i didnt earn, but some people like to go straight to the end of the game.

That should have also applied to MF-rework then. System got changed. No one had earned anything.

Put still, people got compensated. But I guess you deleted all your MF-gear.

yes i had a full magic find charachter, with all exotics, they deleted her magic find. They didnt compensate for magic find, they just didnt destroy the gear.

The equivalent of what you want, is for them to start you at 150 account magic find because you previously had 150 magic find. they didnt do that, so i dont know why you guys are bringing up magic find.

And to be honest, although i lost all that magic find, and honestly probably wouldnt even have gotten that charachter any exotics at all if i had known (i got like 3 naked level 80 charachters who i havent bothered to gear up) Im not really mad at them, because the account magic find system is a much better solution to the whole entire magic find system. It has even improved the desirability of items that were useless before. It was more than worth it. So i wasted some money on exotics for a charachter i no longer play, who cares. The game is a lot better for it.
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Didn’t you get to choose a different stat?

Wethospu.6437:

phys.7689:

Wethospu.6437:

phys.7689:

Wethospu.6437:

Could you guys explain what so big and important you are going to lose if we get to keep your progress?

Protoavis.9107:

Do you know how many people had maxed out magic find only for it to be striped from their gear, their magic find reduced to zero and be made account wide for everyone….and no one went on the entitlement rampage some are now even though magic find gear was far more obviously intended than 50+ fractals….if you need to rely on a cash store item to progress, that’s pay to win…what are anet against?
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And people got compensated for losing MF-gear which has also been repeated multiple times. I seriously hope you are trolling.

i honestly dont care if you kept your progress up till 50, even though to be honest, you havent really earned the new 50. I just dont really care if you did or you didnt.

The truth is, your old game mode died, 31+ fractals that you used to play no longer exist. They wont have the same amounts of monsters, they wont hit as hard or have as much defense, the boss will be harder some of the time, and they will have new conditions to challenge you. The records you have no longer apply.

Now if you, to deal with this loss get some personal advantage and get to skip to the end of the new game, i dont really care. If it makes you feel better for your loss, fine. But dont act like you earned these levels, you wouldnt really be keeping your level, you would be getting access to a new level, a shortcut.

Personally, i would only want achievements i earned, not the ability to skip ahead, but since you did lose your game mode, whatevers clever. For me its more about actually achieving or doing something than the mechanical number next to my name, or skipping ahead to the things i didnt earn, but some people like to go straight to the end of the game.

That should have also applied to MF-rework then. System got changed. No one had earned anything.

Put still, people got compensated. But I guess you deleted all your MF-gear.

yes i had a full magic find charachter, with all exotics, they deleted her magic find. They didnt compensate for magic find, they just didnt destroy the gear.

The equivalent of what you want, is for them to start you at 150 account magic find because you previously had 150 magic find. they didnt do that, so i dont know why you guys are bringing up magic find.

And to be honest, although i lost all that magic find, and honestly probably wouldnt even have gotten that charachter any exotics at all if i had known (i got like 3 naked level 80 charachters who i havent bothered to gear up) Im not really mad at them, because the account magic find system is a much better solution to the whole entire magic find system. It has even improved the desirability of items that were useless before. It was more than worth it. So i wasted some money on exotics for a charachter i no longer play, who cares. The game is a lot better for it.
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Didn’t you get to choose a different stat?

He already had cleric gear, what else would he need?

Jokes. <3s Phys ^.^

JMar.3254:

khani.4786:

I don’t get the QQ. I mean…it’s not like Anet blew up all of tyria, shut down the game and told us….come back next year and the world will be “reborn”. Oh and you’ll have to buy the game again….

If getting to the high level fractals was a challenge you enjoyed then you should enjoy the BRAND NEW challenges that you’ll be facing starting with the different gambits at level 30. It’s not just going to be a stupid “how to overcome the suicide machine” there will be actual mechanics to figure out how to progress through the level. (is my hope anyway based on what I’ve read)

Or are you afraid that you can’t get back up to your old level?

This keeps getting tossed around and it’s really annoying.

Lets reset all of your characters to level 1 and remove all the gear. You already had your fun leveling up, and you did it for the challenge, so what, are you scared you can’t get back to lvl 80? Are you scared you can’t farm another legendary.

Logic is hard.

its not the same. They didnt take away your power, your traits, your items. It would be more like if they Blew up and altered Orr and moved and changed all the waypoints. And i lost my waypoints there.

If it made Orr a better more fun place with exciting new content, i would welcome it. I would love exploring and finding the new areas, stories and getting the new waypoints.

you lost your waypoints to a map that no longer exists. If you loved that map it sucks, but getting access to all the new waypoints in the new zone, that you have yet to explore isnt really logical either.

That said, it wouldnt effect me if they gave you the waypoints, but i wouldnt respect your New Orr explorer title. And i wouldnt go to you for advice on New Orr because lets be honest you havent explored it at all.

lordkrall.7241:

Did anyone actually think that they would somehow magically be able to create something that is impossible?
It is completely impossible to create something that is infinite, since sooner or later the scaling would simply make every single attack 1-hit kill the player.

Then why tell us its infinite? Just to hype it up? More PR? “Oh wow did you hear? GW2 has a dungeon thats infinitely scaling in difficulty. First of its kind in an MMO!!” No..sorry, thats only till lvl ’bra!

Why bother? Why not just say “The dungeon scales in difficulty up to level 80”.
I can’t even count on my hands the amount of times arenanet has walked this fine grey line between what they mean and what they say. Since launch.

cesmode.4257:

Then why tell us its infinite? Just to hype it up? More PR? “Oh wow did you hear? GW2 has a dungeon thats infinitely scaling in difficulty. First of its kind in an MMO!!” No..sorry, thats only till lvl ’bra!

Why bother? Why not just say “The dungeon scales in difficulty up to level 80”.
I can’t even count on my hands the amount of times arenanet has walked this fine grey line between what they mean and what they say. Since launch.

Marketing.
That is how every single company does stuff. They use nice talks and stuff in order to sell their product.

Technically however one can claim that it is infinite due to the fact that every run is unique due to the randomized order of the Fractals and so on.

phys.7689:

JMar.3254:

khani.4786:

I don’t get the QQ. I mean…it’s not like Anet blew up all of tyria, shut down the game and told us….come back next year and the world will be “reborn”. Oh and you’ll have to buy the game again….

If getting to the high level fractals was a challenge you enjoyed then you should enjoy the BRAND NEW challenges that you’ll be facing starting with the different gambits at level 30. It’s not just going to be a stupid “how to overcome the suicide machine” there will be actual mechanics to figure out how to progress through the level. (is my hope anyway based on what I’ve read)

Or are you afraid that you can’t get back up to your old level?

This keeps getting tossed around and it’s really annoying.

Lets reset all of your characters to level 1 and remove all the gear. You already had your fun leveling up, and you did it for the challenge, so what, are you scared you can’t get back to lvl 80? Are you scared you can’t farm another legendary.

Logic is hard.

its not the same. They didnt take away your power, your traits, your items. It would be more like if they Blew up and altered Orr and moved and changed all the waypoints. And i lost my waypoints there.

If it made Orr a better more fun place with exciting new content, i would welcome it. I would love exploring and finding the new areas, stories and getting the new waypoints.

you lost your waypoints to a map that no longer exists. If you loved that map it sucks, but getting access to all the new waypoints in the new zone, that you have yet to explore isnt really logical either.

That said, it wouldnt effect me if they gave you the waypoints, but i wouldnt respect your New Orr explorer title. And i wouldnt go to you for advice on New Orr because lets be honest you havent explored it at all.

If this if what you think I really think they should have deleted all legendaries that were redesigned I mean comon you had an old model of legendaries… no one will ever see the old legendaries again.. so they should be deleted and you didn’t make the new legendaries under the new conditions for example marketprices new dungeons that were Changed for tokkens… sooo they really should have deleted all those Legendaries that were made under the OLD conditions!

cesmode.4257:

lordkrall.7241:

Did anyone actually think that they would somehow magically be able to create something that is impossible?
It is completely impossible to create something that is infinite, since sooner or later the scaling would simply make every single attack 1-hit kill the player.

Then why tell us its infinite? Just to hype it up? More PR? “Oh wow did you hear? GW2 has a dungeon thats infinitely scaling in difficulty. First of its kind in an MMO!!” No..sorry, thats only till lvl ’bra!

Why bother? Why not just say “The dungeon scales in difficulty up to level 80”.
I can’t even count on my hands the amount of times arenanet has walked this fine grey line between what they mean and what they say. Since launch.

actually they said it would go on infinitely, but right now you would be limited by AR, as new AR was released youd be able to go farther. Thats probably why they tried so hard to make sure you took AR dmg instead of just closing the difficulty. Because it actually solves the issue of AR checks being circumvented, and is truer to their old goal of having AR be the main limiter of progress.

They did abandon that idea now though. Their pace of development on fractals didnt meet their pace of ascended introduction, and the whole system wasnt working too well

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

phys.7689:

JMar.3254:

khani.4786:

I don’t get the QQ. I mean…it’s not like Anet blew up all of tyria, shut down the game and told us….come back next year and the world will be “reborn”. Oh and you’ll have to buy the game again….

If getting to the high level fractals was a challenge you enjoyed then you should enjoy the BRAND NEW challenges that you’ll be facing starting with the different gambits at level 30. It’s not just going to be a stupid “how to overcome the suicide machine” there will be actual mechanics to figure out how to progress through the level. (is my hope anyway based on what I’ve read)

Or are you afraid that you can’t get back up to your old level?

This keeps getting tossed around and it’s really annoying.

Lets reset all of your characters to level 1 and remove all the gear. You already had your fun leveling up, and you did it for the challenge, so what, are you scared you can’t get back to lvl 80? Are you scared you can’t farm another legendary.

Logic is hard.

its not the same. They didnt take away your power, your traits, your items. It would be more like if they Blew up and altered Orr and moved and changed all the waypoints. And i lost my waypoints there.

If it made Orr a better more fun place with exciting new content, i would welcome it. I would love exploring and finding the new areas, stories and getting the new waypoints.

you lost your waypoints to a map that no longer exists. If you loved that map it sucks, but getting access to all the new waypoints in the new zone, that you have yet to explore isnt really logical either.

That said, it wouldnt effect me if they gave you the waypoints, but i wouldnt respect your New Orr explorer title. And i wouldnt go to you for advice on New Orr because lets be honest you havent explored it at all.

If this if what you think I really think they should have deleted all legendaries that were redesigned I mean comon you had an old model of legendaries… no one will ever see the old legendaries again.. so they should be deleted and you didn’t make the new legendaries under the new conditions for example marketprices new dungeons that were Changed for tokkens… sooo they really should have deleted all those Legendaries that were made under the OLD conditions!

no, that is not the same. You lost your ability to warp yourself to a content which no longer exists.

you lost a teleport/waypoint, which makes sense because that area doesnt exist. The direct analogy to what you are talking about would be if they deleted your fractal weapons, and removed your karma. They did not do that.

If they take away balthazar giving obsidian shards, i would not demand they warp me to the end of the new event that unlocks an npc that gives obsidian shards whenever i beat balthazaar.

you got your use out of it, if you want a title for old level 50 thats fine, but dont act like they erased your karma, gold and fractal weapons gained through play, they did not do that

lordkrall.7241:

JMar.3254:

So this is your reasoning for why they should reset out levels? Not only is it flawed ignorant, it’s irrelevant.

No, it is an answer to some posts in this thread that talks about it being advertised as an infinite dungeon.

Context is quite important when reading posts.

Indeed it is, as I mentioned, it’s quite irrelevant. You know, being that whole ‘content’ thing you mentioned earlier.

It IS advertised as an infinite dungeon. Which is WHY people choose to go as high as possible (80) without knowing they’d be reset.

Logic is hard

JMar.3254:

lordkrall.7241:

JMar.3254:

So this is your reasoning for why they should reset out levels? Not only is it flawed ignorant, it’s irrelevant.

No, it is an answer to some posts in this thread that talks about it being advertised as an infinite dungeon.

Context is quite important when reading posts.

Indeed it is, as I mentioned, it’s quite irrelevant. You know, being that whole ‘content’ thing you were mentioned earlier.

It IS advertised as an infinite dungeon. Which is WHY people choose to go as high as possible (80) without knowing they’d be reset.

Logic is hard

Can logic is hard be your new signature? Every time I see you type it I giggle like a school girl ^.^

phys.7689:

no, that is not the same. You lost your ability to warp yourself to a content which no longer exists.

you lost a teleport/waypoint, which makes sense because that area doesnt exist. The direct analogy to what you are talking about would be if they deleted your fractal weapons, and removed your karma. They did not do that.

If they take away balthazar giving obsidian shards, i would not demand they warp me to the end of the new event that unlocks an npc that gives obsidian shards whenever i beat balthazaar.

you got your use out of it, if you want a title for old level 50 thats fine, but dont act like they erased your karma, gold and fractal weapons gained through play, they did not do that

So then you’d be okay if they removed all legendary designs and replaced it with new designs.

Since that content no longer exists, they’ll take away everything except for your mystic clovers. You get to keep those, because now it’s a race to see who can get the 1st new looking legendary, so everybody has to be on ‘somewhat’ equal grounds.

It’s fine because you had fun making your legenday, so you have no room to complain or want compensation. And that content no longer exists, so stop whining.

Awwwwww yeeeeaaaahhh <33333

Lilith Ajit.6173:

Awwwwww yeeeeaaaahhh <33333

Lol, I literally just changed it, and when I came back, I saw your post asking me to change it. What a coincidence =)

phys.7689:

its not the same. They didnt take away your power, your traits, your items. It would be more like if they Blew up and altered Orr and moved and changed all the waypoints. And i lost my waypoints there.

If it made Orr a better more fun place with exciting new content, i would welcome it. I would love exploring and finding the new areas, stories and getting the new waypoints.

you lost your waypoints to a map that no longer exists. If you loved that map it sucks, but getting access to all the new waypoints in the new zone, that you have yet to explore isnt really logical either.

That said, it wouldnt effect me if they gave you the waypoints, but i wouldnt respect your New Orr explorer title. And i wouldnt go to you for advice on New Orr because lets be honest you havent explored it at all.

Your analogy is okay, but not correct, so I’ll correct it.

It’s like Anet promises that there’s going to be a huge map that will have all these POIs, WPs, Vistas, etc. Almost impossible to get. You get a bigger and bigger reward everytime you find one, and they are REALLY tough to get. It takes hours just to uncover one. So you get relaly far, up to the cap till they say “we will release more soon”

The day comes for to be released, then all of a sudeen, they remove 75% of the map you did and you have to start over again.

But you know, you did it for fun, so it’s fine they delete your progression. Now you’re bakc on the same level as people that put in WAY less work than you. And they get on the forums to tell you you’re being entitled and selfish, because you’re the minority that choose to got that far for fun.

To add to my analogy, Anet doesn’t reply or comment, while the community becomes even more ‘fractured’ (eh, get it?) and rips each other apart.

JMar.3254:

phys.7689:

no, that is not the same. You lost your ability to warp yourself to a content which no longer exists.

you lost a teleport/waypoint, which makes sense because that area doesnt exist. The direct analogy to what you are talking about would be if they deleted your fractal weapons, and removed your karma. They did not do that.

If they take away balthazar giving obsidian shards, i would not demand they warp me to the end of the new event that unlocks an npc that gives obsidian shards whenever i beat balthazaar.

you got your use out of it, if you want a title for old level 50 thats fine, but dont act like they erased your karma, gold and fractal weapons gained through play, they did not do that

So then you’d be okay if they removed all legendary designs and replaced it with new designs.

Since that content no longer exists, they’ll take away everything except for your mystic clovers. You get to keep those, because now it’s a race to see who can get the 1st new looking legendary, so everybody has to be on ‘somewhat’ equal grounds.

It’s fine because you had fun making your legenday, so you have no room to complain or want compensation. And that content no longer exists, so stop whining.

they didnt remove anything that you gained for doing the levels you did. they removed your ability to warp to a zone. So no, its not the same at all.

It would be more similar to them moving the mystic forge because a dragon blows up lions arch, letting you keep whatever legendaries you had already obtained.

And if the place where the mystic forge is now is in a more interesting place with better mechanics, i would applaud the change, even if i have to now trudge through a big map to get there.

Once again, they arent taking away any item you earned, or power you gained, they are taking away access to map that no longer exists.

If you want them to keep that map in existence, focus on that.

Im not sure if thats what you guys really want. Do you want them to keep old fractals in the side somewhere? Same old fractals, no new bosses and zones, no new sigils, no fixes to various methods used to make the content easier?

Maybe they can save you guys level and let it return later in living story if thats what you guys really want. But im not really getting the impression that would satisfy you

phys.7689:

they didnt remove anything that you gained for doing the levels you did. they removed your ability to warp to a zone. So no, its not the same at all.

It would be more similar to them moving the mystic forge because a dragon blows up lions arch, letting you keep whatever legendaries you had already obtained.

And if the place where the mystic forge is now is in a more interesting place with better mechanics, i would applaud the change, even if i have to now trudge through a big map to get there.

Once again, they arent taking away any item you earned, or power you gained, they are taking away access to map that no longer exists.

If you want them to keep that map in existence, focus on that.

Im not sure if thats what you guys really want. Do you want them to keep old fractals in the side somewhere? Same old fractals, no new bosses and zones, no new sigils, no fixes to various methods used to make the content easier?

Maybe they can save you guys level and let it return later in living story if thats what you guys really want. But im not really getting the impression that would satisfy you

I want the new levels to start at 50, where the old soft cap was.

I don’t think you understand that we are upset because our hard work is being removed. Progression shouldn’t be reset unless a rollback or huge exploit.

Anet, by making this change, regardless of the reasons, is giving a big ‘screw you’ to anybody who actively played this aspect of the game, while coddling those that didn’t.

I would also like to point out that Anet stated they are resetting levels to accommodate the leaderboards.

That is the ONLY reason they provided. Everybody here arguing is making up reasons they see fit.

JMar.3254:

phys.7689:

its not the same. They didnt take away your power, your traits, your items. It would be more like if they Blew up and altered Orr and moved and changed all the waypoints. And i lost my waypoints there.

If it made Orr a better more fun place with exciting new content, i would welcome it. I would love exploring and finding the new areas, stories and getting the new waypoints.

you lost your waypoints to a map that no longer exists. If you loved that map it sucks, but getting access to all the new waypoints in the new zone, that you have yet to explore isnt really logical either.

That said, it wouldnt effect me if they gave you the waypoints, but i wouldnt respect your New Orr explorer title. And i wouldnt go to you for advice on New Orr because lets be honest you havent explored it at all.

Your analogy is okay, but not correct, so I’ll correct it.

It’s like Anet promises that there’s going to be a huge map that will have all these POIs, WPs, Vistas, etc. Almost impossible to get. You get a bigger and bigger reward everytime you find one, and they are REALLY tough to get. It takes hours just to uncover one. So you get relaly far, up to the cap till they say “we will release more soon”

The day comes for to be released, then all of a sudeen, they remove 75% of the map you did and you have to start over again.

But you know, you did it for fun, so it’s fine they delete your progression. Now you’re bakc on the same level as people that put in WAY less work than you. And they get on the forums to tell you you’re being entitled and selfish, because you’re the minority that choose to got that far for fun.

Yea its a good analogy, its very similar, but yeah, you found all those waypoints, you got the better and better rewards. It got kind of stale, after ahwile all you did was log in to the last waypoint and kill the same guy for the same chance at the same reward you already got. also turns out that most of the waypoints were carbon copies of old waypoints, with no real changes in mob behavior or anything for like 40 waypoints in a row.

you beat it.

They release a new version where the map has been attacked by jormag and the molten dragon, they add new events, and make it so that the map changes every time you play it. The waypoints are in new places.

Should you get warped to these waypoints automatically? did you explore this new version of the map?

it sucks you lost your map, but most of you guys are asking for the waypoints in the new map. Why not ask for them to give you access to your old map somewhere?

and i never said they shouldnt give you guys something for your memories/participation, but thats not to say they should really not do the new zone, or make it only accessible after doing the old flawed zone that sucked.

Titles fine, keep old somewhere else, fine, give you free waypoint in new map, fine although you didnt earn them.

But should they never have fixed the map? Should they put the new cool map behind a tedious grind, that you apparently wouldnt want to do again? no

Are they really in actuality doing the best and most fun thing for the map? yea, they actually are.
lets say you didnt really care about the number you had reached, and truely enjoyed fractals.

Your getting new fractal zones, new bosses, bug fixes, and a new mechanic that is supposed to make every level more exciting and different instead of the same. Your keeping every single drop you got from before.

you are losing your ability to warp to fight the same content you did 100 times before.

JMar.3254:

I want the new levels to start at 50, where the old soft cap was.

I don’t think you understand that we are upset because our hard work is being removed. Progression shouldn’t be reset unless a rollback or huge exploit.

Anet, by making this change, regardless of the reasons, is giving a big ‘screw you’ to anybody who actively played this aspect of the game, while coddling those that didn’t.

Can’t you understand how detrimental to the game as a whole that would be? Adding content that excludes everyone but a vast minority will hurt the game in the long run. This is why 30 is good. It’s still a bit of work to get to, it gives newer players time to learn the mechanics of the different Fractals as well as give them a taste of agony, and it’s within reach. If it started at 50 you’d see a lot of players that would otherwise be willing to go for it not even bother.

Imagine them adding permanent content that less than one percent of the players can access? Now that would go against the manifesto!

If the content isn’t accessible, it might as well not even exist.

JMar.3254:

I would also like to point out that Anet stated they are resetting levels to accommodate the leaderboards.

That is the ONLY reason they provided. Everybody here arguing is making up reasons they see fit.

Making up? No, using logic. Logic isn’t hard for some of us.

People won’t play content they can’t get to, and they won’t try to get to the content if it appears too far out of reach.

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

your selfish Little Boy it should start from 81 were the real cap was it’s an Expansion so it should expand the Content that was avaiable

No, it’s not an expansion. It’s a change. Increased rewards, increased challenges. Added leader boards (which I care little about). New content added as well.

JMar.3254:

phys.7689:

they didnt remove anything that you gained for doing the levels you did. they removed your ability to warp to a zone. So no, its not the same at all.

It would be more similar to them moving the mystic forge because a dragon blows up lions arch, letting you keep whatever legendaries you had already obtained.

And if the place where the mystic forge is now is in a more interesting place with better mechanics, i would applaud the change, even if i have to now trudge through a big map to get there.

Once again, they arent taking away any item you earned, or power you gained, they are taking away access to map that no longer exists.

If you want them to keep that map in existence, focus on that.

Im not sure if thats what you guys really want. Do you want them to keep old fractals in the side somewhere? Same old fractals, no new bosses and zones, no new sigils, no fixes to various methods used to make the content easier?

Maybe they can save you guys level and let it return later in living story if thats what you guys really want. But im not really getting the impression that would satisfy you

I want the new levels to start at 50, where the old soft cap was.

I don’t think you understand that we are upset because our hard work is being removed. Progression shouldn’t be reset unless a rollback or huge exploit.

Anet, by making this change, regardless of the reasons, is giving a big ‘screw you’ to anybody who actively played this aspect of the game, while coddling those that didn’t.

you want fractals to die then. 30-50 was flawed, it was too repetive and didnt offer new challenges, just the mastery of old challenges. putting new content behind the 50 cap ensures no one would ever see it. If no one ever sees it, no one does it, if no one does it, they are not going to continue to develop it. If they can improve the playership of fractals it will get more resources.

All of you guys continue to imply that leveling to 50 was tedious, and was mainly for the eliteness of it, and the drops, they are trying to make it so its actually more interesting to climb. this is an improvement.

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

JMar.3254:

phys.7689:

they didnt remove anything that you gained for doing the levels you did. they removed your ability to warp to a zone. So no, its not the same at all.

It would be more similar to them moving the mystic forge because a dragon blows up lions arch, letting you keep whatever legendaries you had already obtained.

And if the place where the mystic forge is now is in a more interesting place with better mechanics, i would applaud the change, even if i have to now trudge through a big map to get there.

Once again, they arent taking away any item you earned, or power you gained, they are taking away access to map that no longer exists.

If you want them to keep that map in existence, focus on that.

Im not sure if thats what you guys really want. Do you want them to keep old fractals in the side somewhere? Same old fractals, no new bosses and zones, no new sigils, no fixes to various methods used to make the content easier?

Maybe they can save you guys level and let it return later in living story if thats what you guys really want. But im not really getting the impression that would satisfy you

I want the new levels to start at 50, where the old soft cap was.

I don’t think you understand that we are upset because our hard work is being removed. Progression shouldn’t be reset unless a rollback or huge exploit.

Anet, by making this change, regardless of the reasons, is giving a big ‘screw you’ to anybody who actively played this aspect of the game, while coddling those that didn’t.

your selfish Little Boy it should start from 81 were the real cap was it’s an Expansion so it should expand the Content that was avaiable

the cap of 81 was made unobtainable for some time, it would be pretty illogical to start new content in a place they wont let anyone get to, without an invite from you or people like you.

VOLKON.1290:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

your selfish Little Boy it should start from 81 were the real cap was it’s an Expansion so it should expand the Content that was avaiable

No, it’s not an expansion. It’s a change. Increased rewards, increased challenges. Added leader boards (which I care little about). New content added as well.

well this expands the old fractals doesn’kitten you see the Point is if the new Content is harder than 80 it should be placed at 80 if it’s not harder than it should leave my Level alone if it’s so much diffrent than they should place it in another area….

What is the Problem if they would add it from 81 the new mechanics and stuff? besides geargating wich anyway is a Problem so it doesn’t matter? I deserve to be on top of a FRACTAL LEADERBOARD since I have one of the highest Levels but I woulnd’t be on top there is a Group with 82:)

VOLKON.1290:

JMar.3254:

I want the new levels to start at 50, where the old soft cap was.

I don’t think you understand that we are upset because our hard work is being removed. Progression shouldn’t be reset unless a rollback or huge exploit.

Anet, by making this change, regardless of the reasons, is giving a big ‘screw you’ to anybody who actively played this aspect of the game, while coddling those that didn’t.

Can’t you understand how detrimental to the game as a whole that would be? Adding content that excludes everyone but a vast minority will hurt the game in the long run. This is why 30 is good. It’s still a bit of work to get to, it gives newer players time to learn the mechanics of the different Fractals as well as give them a taste of agony, and it’s within reach. If it started at 50 you’d see a lot of players that would otherwise be willing to go for it not even bother.

Imagine them adding permanent content that less than one percent of the players can access? Now that would go against the manifesto!

If the content isn’t accessible, it might as well not even exist.

I see less than 1% of the population ever goes to Southsun Cove!

Ziiiiiiiiinnnnggggg

Also, when I was a kid, I participated in a bowling league and was given a handicap so that even I could win and get a trophy. That’s sorta what this feels like.

Awwwwwww yeeahhhhh

JMar.3254:

I would also like to point out that Anet stated they are resetting levels to accommodate the leaderboards.

That is the ONLY reason they provided. Everybody here arguing is making up reasons they see fit.

i agree if its solely for leaderboards, its a waste of time, no one cares. If they say thats the ONLY reason, i will take back my words, and fully support you getting access to level 50. not that i would be against you getting it now, just pointing out that you havent earned it.

also if instabilities turns out not actually change much at all, i would also agree

Lilith Ajit.6173:

VOLKON.1290:

JMar.3254:

I want the new levels to start at 50, where the old soft cap was.

I don’t think you understand that we are upset because our hard work is being removed. Progression shouldn’t be reset unless a rollback or huge exploit.

Anet, by making this change, regardless of the reasons, is giving a big ‘screw you’ to anybody who actively played this aspect of the game, while coddling those that didn’t.

Can’t you understand how detrimental to the game as a whole that would be? Adding content that excludes everyone but a vast minority will hurt the game in the long run. This is why 30 is good. It’s still a bit of work to get to, it gives newer players time to learn the mechanics of the different Fractals as well as give them a taste of agony, and it’s within reach. If it started at 50 you’d see a lot of players that would otherwise be willing to go for it not even bother.

Imagine them adding permanent content that less than one percent of the players can access? Now that would go against the manifesto!

If the content isn’t accessible, it might as well not even exist.

I see less than 1% of the population ever goes to Southsun Cove!

Ziiiiiiiiinnnnggggg

Also, when I was a kid, I participated in a bowling league and was given a handicap so that even I could win and get a trophy. That’s sorta what this feels like.

Awwwwwww yeeahhhhh

what trophy? you mean fractal skin? the dev claims the drop rate is the same and only change is its going to be a skin

the difficulty change he also describes as slight. remains to be seen if slight is accurate

VOLKON.1290:

JMar.3254:

I would also like to point out that Anet stated they are resetting levels to accommodate the leaderboards.

That is the ONLY reason they provided. Everybody here arguing is making up reasons they see fit.

Making up? No, using logic. Logic isn’t hard for some of us.

People won’t play content they can’t get to, and they won’t try to get to the content if it appears too far out of reach.

Nope, making up.

The company that designed and implemented the changes provided the reason of leaderboards. You are putting words in their mouth because of what you think. Logic isn’t hard for some of us, but apparently very hard for you.

We did the content to 50, I never said it was tedious. I did have fun, and I enjoyed the challenge.

Why should I be punished because the player base isn’t interested enough or too lazy to do it as well.

Lets assume Anet decides legendaries are too tedious to get. They change it so you only need 25 of teach t6 mat, instead of 250 of each. The majority of legendary owners would feel cheated and would want compensation

I suggest you read the article earlier about equity.

phys.7689:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

VOLKON.1290:

JMar.3254:

I want the new levels to start at 50, where the old soft cap was.

I don’t think you understand that we are upset because our hard work is being removed. Progression shouldn’t be reset unless a rollback or huge exploit.

Anet, by making this change, regardless of the reasons, is giving a big ‘screw you’ to anybody who actively played this aspect of the game, while coddling those that didn’t.

Can’t you understand how detrimental to the game as a whole that would be? Adding content that excludes everyone but a vast minority will hurt the game in the long run. This is why 30 is good. It’s still a bit of work to get to, it gives newer players time to learn the mechanics of the different Fractals as well as give them a taste of agony, and it’s within reach. If it started at 50 you’d see a lot of players that would otherwise be willing to go for it not even bother.

Imagine them adding permanent content that less than one percent of the players can access? Now that would go against the manifesto!

If the content isn’t accessible, it might as well not even exist.

I see less than 1% of the population ever goes to Southsun Cove!

Ziiiiiiiiinnnnggggg

Also, when I was a kid, I participated in a bowling league and was given a handicap so that even I could win and get a trophy. That’s sorta what this feels like.

Awwwwwww yeeahhhhh

what trophy? you mean fractal skin? the dev claims the drop rate is the same and only change is its going to be a skin

A sticker that says “I r good at fractalssss!”

Also, no I wasn’t talking about that. I was just talking about this idea of “so everyone starts out the same, no advantages to people who previously loved and played the content and know what they’re doing!”

Also also, if 1-30 is scaled even slightly different, I think it would be only fair for those only at 30 as well to get a level decrease, because they haven’t “proved” themselves either.

I just fear the pugs…. Oh god the level 30 pugs……!

Edit: (darn I forgot!) Awwwwww yeeeeahhhhh

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

your selfish Little Boy it should start from 81 were the real cap was it’s an Expansion so it should expand the Content that was avaiable

I’m not selfish, little, or a boy.

If they start it at 81, I’m fine with that.

However, I believe there was an obvious soft cap at 50. Which I thought was apparent Anet wanted us to stop there. You choose to go to 80, which is fine.

Either way it shouldn’t start at 30 so they reset the people that ACTUALLY enjoyed fractals.

I 100% guarantee all the people they are coddling to get to play the new content, will stop playing it in two weeks when they get to farm more mindless events with the LS.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

phys.7689:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

VOLKON.1290:

JMar.3254:

I want the new levels to start at 50, where the old soft cap was.

I don’t think you understand that we are upset because our hard work is being removed. Progression shouldn’t be reset unless a rollback or huge exploit.

Anet, by making this change, regardless of the reasons, is giving a big ‘screw you’ to anybody who actively played this aspect of the game, while coddling those that didn’t.

Can’t you understand how detrimental to the game as a whole that would be? Adding content that excludes everyone but a vast minority will hurt the game in the long run. This is why 30 is good. It’s still a bit of work to get to, it gives newer players time to learn the mechanics of the different Fractals as well as give them a taste of agony, and it’s within reach. If it started at 50 you’d see a lot of players that would otherwise be willing to go for it not even bother.

Imagine them adding permanent content that less than one percent of the players can access? Now that would go against the manifesto!

If the content isn’t accessible, it might as well not even exist.

I see less than 1% of the population ever goes to Southsun Cove!

Ziiiiiiiiinnnnggggg

Also, when I was a kid, I participated in a bowling league and was given a handicap so that even I could win and get a trophy. That’s sorta what this feels like.

Awwwwwww yeeahhhhh

what trophy? you mean fractal skin? the dev claims the drop rate is the same and only change is its going to be a skin

A sticker that says “I r good at fractalssss!”

Also, no I wasn’t talking about that. I was just talking about this idea of “so everyone starts out the same, no advantages to people who previously loved and played the content and know what they’re doing!”

Also also, if 1-30 is scaled even slightly different, I think it would be only fair for those only at 30 as well to get a level decrease, because they haven’t “proved” themselves either.

I just fear the pugs…. Oh god the level 30 pugs……!

Edit: (darn I forgot!) Awwwwww yeeeeahhhhh

Yup, 1-30 will be different. So reset everybody.

JMar.3254:

VOLKON.1290:

JMar.3254:

I would also like to point out that Anet stated they are resetting levels to accommodate the leaderboards.

That is the ONLY reason they provided. Everybody here arguing is making up reasons they see fit.

Making up? No, using logic. Logic isn’t hard for some of us.

People won’t play content they can’t get to, and they won’t try to get to the content if it appears too far out of reach.

Nope, making up.

The company that designed and implemented the changes provided the reason of leaderboards. You are putting words in their mouth because of what you think. Logic isn’t hard for some of us, but apparently very hard for you.

We did the content to 50, I never said it was tedious. I did have fun, and I enjoyed the challenge.

Why should I be punished because the player base isn’t interested enough or too lazy to do it as well.

Lets assume Anet decides legendaries are too tedious to get. They change it so you only need 25 of teach t6 mat, instead of 250 of each. The majority of legendary owners would feel cheated and would want compensation

I suggest you read the article earlier about equity.

i would applaud changes to legendaries to make them less tedious, in fact although i have two now, i applaud a precursor hunt quest, and genuinely hope they make real interesting quests, content and lore associated with each legendary.

If the lowered the amount of mats required id be quite happy. I also wouldnt mind some new legendaries, particularly of the very niche legendaries like shortbow, and pistol, which have a comical focus.

phys.7689:

JMar.3254:

VOLKON.1290:

JMar.3254:

I would also like to point out that Anet stated they are resetting levels to accommodate the leaderboards.

That is the ONLY reason they provided. Everybody here arguing is making up reasons they see fit.

Making up? No, using logic. Logic isn’t hard for some of us.

People won’t play content they can’t get to, and they won’t try to get to the content if it appears too far out of reach.

Nope, making up.

The company that designed and implemented the changes provided the reason of leaderboards. You are putting words in their mouth because of what you think. Logic isn’t hard for some of us, but apparently very hard for you.

We did the content to 50, I never said it was tedious. I did have fun, and I enjoyed the challenge.

Why should I be punished because the player base isn’t interested enough or too lazy to do it as well.

Lets assume Anet decides legendaries are too tedious to get. They change it so you only need 25 of teach t6 mat, instead of 250 of each. The majority of legendary owners would feel cheated and would want compensation

I suggest you read the article earlier about equity.

i would applaud changes to legendaries to make them less tedious, in fact although i have two now, i applaud a precursor hunt quest, and genuinely hope they make real interesting quests, content and lore associated with each legendary.

If the lowered the amount of mats required id be quite happy. I also wouldnt mind some new legendaries, particularly of the very niche legendaries like shortbow, and pistol, which have a comical focus.

So why did they refund gems to people that bought multiple soul bound gathering tools? They knew what they were buying when they bought it.

Also, just because you would b eokay with the changes, doesn’t mean other people wouldn’t. To make it applicable, they would have to remove your legendary, call it a race to get a new one, and say that now everybody is on equal grounds with the new content.

Tangible possession vs intangible possession doesn’t change a thing.

phys.7689:

JMar.3254:

I would also like to point out that Anet stated they are resetting levels to accommodate the leaderboards.

That is the ONLY reason they provided. Everybody here arguing is making up reasons they see fit.

i agree if its solely for leaderboards, its a waste of time, no one cares. If they say thats the ONLY reason, i will take back my words, and fully support you getting access to level 50. not that i would be against you getting it now, just pointing out that you havent earned it.

if it would be for leaderboards they Need to reset it to 0 yeah I would loose 81 Levels than but at least it is a reset than now they make a pseudo reset to not kitten of the casual playerbase that is from 0 -30

also if instabilities turns out not actually change much at all, i would also agree

Lilith Ajit.6173:

phys.7689:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

VOLKON.1290:

JMar.3254:

I want the new levels to start at 50, where the old soft cap was.

I don’t think you understand that we are upset because our hard work is being removed. Progression shouldn’t be reset unless a rollback or huge exploit.

Anet, by making this change, regardless of the reasons, is giving a big ‘screw you’ to anybody who actively played this aspect of the game, while coddling those that didn’t.

Can’t you understand how detrimental to the game as a whole that would be? Adding content that excludes everyone but a vast minority will hurt the game in the long run. This is why 30 is good. It’s still a bit of work to get to, it gives newer players time to learn the mechanics of the different Fractals as well as give them a taste of agony, and it’s within reach. If it started at 50 you’d see a lot of players that would otherwise be willing to go for it not even bother.

Imagine them adding permanent content that less than one percent of the players can access? Now that would go against the manifesto!

If the content isn’t accessible, it might as well not even exist.

I see less than 1% of the population ever goes to Southsun Cove!

Ziiiiiiiiinnnnggggg

Also, when I was a kid, I participated in a bowling league and was given a handicap so that even I could win and get a trophy. That’s sorta what this feels like.

Awwwwwww yeeahhhhh

what trophy? you mean fractal skin? the dev claims the drop rate is the same and only change is its going to be a skin

A sticker that says “I r good at fractalssss!”

Also, no I wasn’t talking about that. I was just talking about this idea of “so everyone starts out the same, no advantages to people who previously loved and played the content and know what they’re doing!”

Also also, if 1-30 is scaled even slightly different, I think it would be only fair for those only at 30 as well to get a level decrease, because they haven’t “proved” themselves either.

I just fear the pugs…. Oh god the level 30 pugs……!

Edit: (darn I forgot!) Awwwwww yeeeeahhhhh

no advantages to people who previously loved and played the content and know what they’re doing
why should you have an advantage IF the new content is actually different.

If they actually had a wealth of new content at level 1 i wouldnt really care that much. And if thats what will actually make you guys not feel like you have no reason to complain, sure reset everyone to 1.

also sounds like you guys are partially mad that you will have to play with people who didnt get to 50, why dont you just make some groups and fly through if you dont want to play with pugs?

i agree if its solely for leaderboards, its a waste of time, no one cares. If they say thats the ONLY reason, i will take back my words, and fully support you getting access to level 50. not that i would be against you getting it now, just pointing out that you havent earned it.

if it would be for leaderboards they Need to reset it to 0 yeah I would loose 81 Levels than but at least it is a reset than now they make a pseudo reset to not kitten of the casual playerbase that is from 0 -30

JMar.3254:

VOLKON.1290:

JMar.3254:

I would also like to point out that Anet stated they are resetting levels to accommodate the leaderboards.

That is the ONLY reason they provided. Everybody here arguing is making up reasons they see fit.

Making up? No, using logic. Logic isn’t hard for some of us.

People won’t play content they can’t get to, and they won’t try to get to the content if it appears too far out of reach.

Lets assume Anet decides legendaries are too tedious to get. They change it so you only need 25 of teach t6 mat, instead of 250 of each. The majority of legendary owners would feel cheated and would want compensation

I don’t think that’s a correct analogy since nothing is being deleted, just made easier. The correct one would be they change it so you only need 25 of each t6 mats and some newly introduced mats and reset anyone that has a legendary to 25 of each t6 mats.

JMar.3254:

phys.7689:

JMar.3254:

VOLKON.1290:

JMar.3254:

I would also like to point out that Anet stated they are resetting levels to accommodate the leaderboards.

That is the ONLY reason they provided. Everybody here arguing is making up reasons they see fit.

Making up? No, using logic. Logic isn’t hard for some of us.

People won’t play content they can’t get to, and they won’t try to get to the content if it appears too far out of reach.

Nope, making up.

The company that designed and implemented the changes provided the reason of leaderboards. You are putting words in their mouth because of what you think. Logic isn’t hard for some of us, but apparently very hard for you.

We did the content to 50, I never said it was tedious. I did have fun, and I enjoyed the challenge.

Why should I be punished because the player base isn’t interested enough or too lazy to do it as well.

Lets assume Anet decides legendaries are too tedious to get. They change it so you only need 25 of teach t6 mat, instead of 250 of each. The majority of legendary owners would feel cheated and would want compensation

I suggest you read the article earlier about equity.

i would applaud changes to legendaries to make them less tedious, in fact although i have two now, i applaud a precursor hunt quest, and genuinely hope they make real interesting quests, content and lore associated with each legendary.

If the lowered the amount of mats required id be quite happy. I also wouldnt mind some new legendaries, particularly of the very niche legendaries like shortbow, and pistol, which have a comical focus.

So why did they refund gems to people that bought multiple soul bound gathering tools? They knew what they were buying when they bought it.

Also, just because you would b eokay with the changes, doesn’t mean other people wouldn’t. To make it applicable, they would have to remove your legendary, call it a race to get a new one, and say that now everybody is on equal grounds with the new content.

Tangible possession vs intangible possession doesn’t change a thing.

you keep talking about removing a legendary, thats not analogous, because they arent removing your items.

They cant possibly design around intangible possesions because its completely subjective.

They cant kill queen jennah because one person feels accomplishment in having access to a personal instance with her? Cant redesign WvW maps because people have memories of all the fights they had at the windmill? Cant redesign Orr because people fought their way through zombies to get to arah waypoint?

You are crippling the games growth if you believe they cant change anything that represents something players feel an intangible possession over.

phys.7689:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

phys.7689:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

VOLKON.1290:

JMar.3254:

I want the new levels to start at 50, where the old soft cap was.

I don’t think you understand that we are upset because our hard work is being removed. Progression shouldn’t be reset unless a rollback or huge exploit.

Anet, by making this change, regardless of the reasons, is giving a big ‘screw you’ to anybody who actively played this aspect of the game, while coddling those that didn’t.

Can’t you understand how detrimental to the game as a whole that would be? Adding content that excludes everyone but a vast minority will hurt the game in the long run. This is why 30 is good. It’s still a bit of work to get to, it gives newer players time to learn the mechanics of the different Fractals as well as give them a taste of agony, and it’s within reach. If it started at 50 you’d see a lot of players that would otherwise be willing to go for it not even bother.

Imagine them adding permanent content that less than one percent of the players can access? Now that would go against the manifesto!

If the content isn’t accessible, it might as well not even exist.

I see less than 1% of the population ever goes to Southsun Cove!

Ziiiiiiiiinnnnggggg

Also, when I was a kid, I participated in a bowling league and was given a handicap so that even I could win and get a trophy. That’s sorta what this feels like.

Awwwwwww yeeahhhhh

what trophy? you mean fractal skin? the dev claims the drop rate is the same and only change is its going to be a skin

A sticker that says “I r good at fractalssss!”

Also, no I wasn’t talking about that. I was just talking about this idea of “so everyone starts out the same, no advantages to people who previously loved and played the content and know what they’re doing!”

Also also, if 1-30 is scaled even slightly different, I think it would be only fair for those only at 30 as well to get a level decrease, because they haven’t “proved” themselves either.

I just fear the pugs…. Oh god the level 30 pugs……!

Edit: (darn I forgot!) Awwwwww yeeeeahhhhh

no advantages to people who previously loved and played the content and know what they’re doing
why should you have an advantage IF the new content is actually different.

If they actually had a wealth of new content at level 1 i wouldnt really care that much. And if thats what will actually make you guys not feel like you have no reason to complain, sure reset everyone to 1.

also sounds like you guys are partially mad that you will have to play with people who didnt get to 50, why dont you just make some groups and fly through if you dont want to play with pugs?

I didn’t get to 50. I’m an elitist sympathizer. I’m only at 42 which actually makes me a scrub. And I’m not mad. I’m furious. It’s hard enough finding good fractal pugs for my 48s. Also, reason I can’t play with those sexy lovely level 80s is really because I’m a scrub. And that isn’t me joking, I’m totally kittening serious!

I’m not saying that these lovely good players (god they’re rare!) should have an advantage (truth be told they already do, because they’re amazing at everything) I think anet should have a plan to compensate the folks who got crap rewards for 30+ levels (loot didn’t scale, though mob difficulty did!) thinking that that was the challenge that anet gave them to achieve. Something. Anything.

Also, I’m here today in this forum to lighten the mood with my funny words and pretty smile. While still loving all the elitists who have out up with my silly questions ^.^ ;P

Awwwww yeeeeahhh

Lilith Ajit.6173:

phys.7689:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

phys.7689:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

VOLKON.1290:

JMar.3254:

I want the new levels to start at 50, where the old soft cap was.

I don’t think you understand that we are upset because our hard work is being removed. Progression shouldn’t be reset unless a rollback or huge exploit.

Anet, by making this change, regardless of the reasons, is giving a big ‘screw you’ to anybody who actively played this aspect of the game, while coddling those that didn’t.

Can’t you understand how detrimental to the game as a whole that would be? Adding content that excludes everyone but a vast minority will hurt the game in the long run. This is why 30 is good. It’s still a bit of work to get to, it gives newer players time to learn the mechanics of the different Fractals as well as give them a taste of agony, and it’s within reach. If it started at 50 you’d see a lot of players that would otherwise be willing to go for it not even bother.

Imagine them adding permanent content that less than one percent of the players can access? Now that would go against the manifesto!

If the content isn’t accessible, it might as well not even exist.

I see less than 1% of the population ever goes to Southsun Cove!

Ziiiiiiiiinnnnggggg

Also, when I was a kid, I participated in a bowling league and was given a handicap so that even I could win and get a trophy. That’s sorta what this feels like.

Awwwwwww yeeahhhhh

what trophy? you mean fractal skin? the dev claims the drop rate is the same and only change is its going to be a skin

A sticker that says “I r good at fractalssss!”

Also, no I wasn’t talking about that. I was just talking about this idea of “so everyone starts out the same, no advantages to people who previously loved and played the content and know what they’re doing!”

Also also, if 1-30 is scaled even slightly different, I think it would be only fair for those only at 30 as well to get a level decrease, because they haven’t “proved” themselves either.

I just fear the pugs…. Oh god the level 30 pugs……!

Edit: (darn I forgot!) Awwwwww yeeeeahhhhh

no advantages to people who previously loved and played the content and know what they’re doing
why should you have an advantage IF the new content is actually different.

If they actually had a wealth of new content at level 1 i wouldnt really care that much. And if thats what will actually make you guys not feel like you have no reason to complain, sure reset everyone to 1.

also sounds like you guys are partially mad that you will have to play with people who didnt get to 50, why dont you just make some groups and fly through if you dont want to play with pugs?

I didn’t get to 50. I’m an elitist sympathizer. I’m only at 42 which actually makes me a scrub. And I’m not mad. I’m furious. It’s hard enough finding good fractal pugs for my 48s. Also, reason I can’t play with those sexy lovely level 80s is really because I’m a scrub. And that isn’t me joking, I’m totally kittening serious!

I’m not saying that these lovely good players (god they’re rare!) should have an advantage (truth be told they already do, because they’re amazing at everything) I think anet should have a plan to compensate the folks who got crap rewards for 30+ levels (loot didn’t scale, though mob difficulty did!) thinking that that was the challenge that anet gave them to achieve. Something. Anything.

Also, I’m here today in this forum to lighten the mood with my funny words and pretty smile. While still loving all the elitists who have out up with my silly questions ^.^ ;P

Awwwww yeeeeahhh

As i said, im not against recognition, up to 50
to be honest 81 is questionable, since its kind of impossible for may players to actually acheive after a certain date(without invite), and required a get out jail free cash shop item to achieve.

Nephitis.8201:

JMar.3254:

VOLKON.1290:

JMar.3254:

I would also like to point out that Anet stated they are resetting levels to accommodate the leaderboards.

That is the ONLY reason they provided. Everybody here arguing is making up reasons they see fit.

Making up? No, using logic. Logic isn’t hard for some of us.

People won’t play content they can’t get to, and they won’t try to get to the content if it appears too far out of reach.

Lets assume Anet decides legendaries are too tedious to get. They change it so you only need 25 of teach t6 mat, instead of 250 of each. The majority of legendary owners would feel cheated and would want compensation

I don’t think that’s a correct analogy since nothing is being deleted, just made easier. The correct one would be they change it so you only need 25 of each t6 mats and some newly introduced mats and reset anyone that has a legendary to 25 of each t6 mats.

My progression is being deleted. Read the article on equity.

Nobody complaining here is worried they won’t be able to do it.

We are upset that our hard work, time, energy, and effort is be devalued by removing it.

Why are people so upset with us at wanting our work to be valued?

JMar.3254:

Nephitis.8201:

JMar.3254:

VOLKON.1290:

JMar.3254:

I would also like to point out that Anet stated they are resetting levels to accommodate the leaderboards.

That is the ONLY reason they provided. Everybody here arguing is making up reasons they see fit.

Making up? No, using logic. Logic isn’t hard for some of us.

People won’t play content they can’t get to, and they won’t try to get to the content if it appears too far out of reach.

Lets assume Anet decides legendaries are too tedious to get. They change it so you only need 25 of teach t6 mat, instead of 250 of each. The majority of legendary owners would feel cheated and would want compensation

I don’t think that’s a correct analogy since nothing is being deleted, just made easier. The correct one would be they change it so you only need 25 of each t6 mats and some newly introduced mats and reset anyone that has a legendary to 25 of each t6 mats.

My progression is being deleted. Read the article on equity.

Yes but in your analogy about legendary nothing is being deleted, legendary are just easier to obtain.

JMar.3254:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

your selfish Little Boy it should start from 81 were the real cap was it’s an Expansion so it should expand the Content that was avaiable

I’m not selfish, little, or a boy.

If they start it at 81, I’m fine with that.

However, I believe there was an obvious soft cap at 50. Which I thought was apparent Anet wanted us to stop there. You choose to go to 80, which is fine.

Either way it shouldn’t start at 30 so they reset the people that ACTUALLY enjoyed fractals.

I 100% guarantee all the people they are coddling to get to play the new content, will stop playing it in two weeks when they get to farm more mindless events with the LS.

it should start at 81 or 0 if they want TRUE leaderboards… 30 is just the middle to not kitten most Players of but it’s not a fair leaderboard either way not for the old guys not for the new guys… and yeah sorry for beeing offensive.. but I can’t tell it often enough since most ppl doing early Progress with about 5 ar some of us did Play with 5 ar to 80 how should we even feel a softcap at 50 .. btw there wasn’t one as I said in an other thread there was a Group that was able to do nice Teamwork and surive agony with deathshroud heal and fullhealsets .. they just did this at all Levels from about 20 where you did get hit hard with only 5 ar way to 80… how could such Players feel a cap or anything same with using rez orbs if you start using this at 46 cause you don’t have enough ar and go on all way to 80 how should you feel a cap? there is just so many Posts of guys who haven’t been playing the old fractals before patch commenting on stuff they haven’t experienced or don’t know about it ( I don’t mean you here ). Thef fact is that most Players that went for 80 straight didn’t have the max agony availible at the time they went there. For a simple fact we just did not have the time to farm the infusions and rings ect to get more AR we just didn’t. ppl only got so far because they didn’t rely on gear at bosses and just could dodge everything learned it early and didn’t just realise it half way through that they can’t depend ont hey’re gear anymore.. I coulnd’t rely on my AR from 10-80 I had 5 AR at 24 cause I dropped a ring ( a non infused this was old reward System) and had about 15 when I hit 60… so you see we never ever really looked at AR and siad… hey guys we have 15 AR let’s not go on till we have enough to Progress we were more like " ya guys we don’t Need ar we have skill so move on and let’s not waste time farming if we don’t Need to "

JMar.3254:

Nobody complaining here is worried they won’t be able to do it.

We are upset that our hard work, time, energy, and effort is be devalued by removing it.

Why are people so upset with us at wanting our work to be valued?

Because it does not lose its value, in any way or form.
Or are you suggesting that stuff is only valuable if you can wave it in front of people?

If you really hate this change so much it is rather easy to show your disappointment.
Stop playing the game. But funnily enough I am almost completely sure that most people complaining about it here will still be among the first to actually do the new Fractals when they are released and then rush to lvl 50.

For all of those people who are saying that fractal level “is just a number”, you need to be reminded that video gaming is all about numbers, and it always has been, since the beginning of arcade gaming. Numbers are everything. Games have always been about progressing as far as you can, and getting a score (number). Those who have the best skill are able to get the highest score and they have bragging rites. Since the 70s/80s, gaming has come a long way, and many people have forgotten about that era of gaming, but the truth is it’s still here, even in guild wars. Everything in this game is a number, and gamers who share the spirit of the original games desire to get a high score in this game as well. The nice thing about Guild Wars is you’re allowed to choose which numbers are important to you.

The following are also “Just a number:” (And there is someone in this community who strives to have the highest of each)
Gold, Karma, WvW Rank, PvP Rank, Achievement Points, Dungeon Tokens, # of Legendary Items you own, # of t6 mats you own, # of miniatures you own, Level (capped at 80, but you can have the most # of level 80 alts) Dungeon Master title (# of unique dungeons you completed, not an endless number, capped at 33)

These are all high scores. And they’re all “just a number.” Someone spent hours and hours attaining them, and yet they can all be reset as easily as fractal level. (By altering a few lines of code) Some people care about them, others don’t. Fractal Level is also a high score. It is very important for a very devoted section of the Guild Wars community. Why turn your backs on them? They have every right to the number that is most important to them.

READ ONLY BOLD IF YOU WANT BRIEF

Who cares about infinite or not infinite…honestly. They knew how to code a hard cap…heck, they added one at 80 after people already got to 81…they could have just as easily made it 50 and that would have stopped all further progression of people beyond 50. They did not do that. People could keep progressing beyond 50.

Here are the facts: average fractal run is 1.5 to 2 hours. 3 or 4 hours with a PUG. People put in a LOT of hours to get these levels. It doesn’t matter if you are 33 or 48 or 81, you are LOSING those hours of gameplay and progression. It will take you a LOT of hours to get them back (at my current schedule I am looking at Months to get to 50 and never getting my old levels back because of new cap. I had much more time (unemployed) when I got those levels. I can maybe get in 1-2 fractal runs a week at most right now).

People saying it is not fair we get to keep levels because we didn’t earn those levels with the new content. Well, neither did the people 30 or below. Why punish a single group of people, why not all of them?…and especially those that are running fractals all this week to get to 30 quick before the switch.

With MF, EVERYONE was punished. I personally loved the change because I would much rather run around in BIS gear than my stupid magicfind gear which maybe got me 1 more yellow than non-MF gear…and actually this increased my MF in dungeons since I never ran MF gear in dungeons. The equivalent to what they are doing to fractals would have been simply deleting all MF gear from only the players who had the most MF…but then giving everyone account bound MF and leaving the people who had only some MF…because those people with some MF need to catch up to the people who had a lot.

It makes sense for them to put the new content at 30. It does. Most of the player base was sitting around level 28 (pure speculation, from looking at my own group of friends…where most were at 28). This gives you the most bang-for-your-buck for your update of fractals. Putting the new levels at 50 would just frustrate the majority of players.

Those above 30 prior to the patch were the minority, those above 40 were a lesser minotry, those above 50 lesser so…and that continues up to 81…I only know of a few people in the game (out of the millions) who are at that level. Leaving these people with their PRL would not drastically change the game in any meaningful way. If it affects the leaderboard, then the leaderboard has stupid metrics on it (if the leaderboard has anything to do with levels on a limited level system, it is flawed to begin with, because soon everyone will be at that limited level….do you have 3000 1st places?) Not to mention, I haven’t heard a single person who WANTS a leaderboard.

AtriustheGod.6785:

These are all high scores. And they’re all “just a number.” And they can all be reset as easily as fractal level. Some people care about them, others don’t. Fractal Level is also a high score. It is very important for a very devoted section of the Guild Wars community. Why turn your backs on them? They have every right to the number that is most important to them.

You know what happened to the Donkey Kong Machine around the corner whenever it was unplugged, or worse, they took it away for the NEW Donkey Kong Machine?

Yeah, it is a GAME. If you don’t think the game aligns with your values move on. If you were 80 before, I have no doubts you will be at the top of that leader-board, crushing, in no time.

The people who were 80 before, were so due to to skill. No one has taken their skills away.

I honestly think that what bothers me the most about this thread is simply the lack of ANET involvement.

People are getting really angry (I admit, I myself did). And not a single post to at least acknowledge that they are still reading this. We can debate each other until we are blue in the face (or sore fingers) and it does nothing regarding the actual game.

I admit to being hopeful about the game because of the collaborative development, but that does mean that when a discussion gets heated (because of people being passionate about something) someone with authority really should stop in and at least say something.

a sentence like “we ARE reading this thread and both sides of the argument” would probably go a long way towards making people feel less helpless in ANET enacting this change (and as such, reduce anger and increase constructive discussion). As is, I feel like we lost them long ago…and now it is just 14 more pages of two groups going back and forth like spitting at each other in a rainstorm.