Guild Wars 2

Nope they advertised it as gear grind in the first place never as a casual game.As Vayne will say learn to read what your game is about before you buy or its your problem

I wouldn’t expect a random casual who can play the game for two weeks to fight Tequatl.

The game offers a range of stuff to do. There’s stuff to do for people who are casual, like work toward exotics (which are good enough to do anything in this game that a casual is likely to do).

But the game also needs more challenging content for other people.

Not having an ascended weapon doesn’t cut off the content of the game from a casual player.

Even now, the game is not complex, like, at all, nothing about it is, at least in PvE. How do you get more casual than that?

And, what’s not fun for you might be fun for others.

If you are a casual player, why are you worried about keeping up? I play very casually (typically only on Saturdays), and I still am able to participate in all the Living World content, and I’ve even gotten a couple ascended rings.

The point is you shouldn’t have to keep up at all. We were told we could jump in and play significant roles in any part of the game. (Btw read again I don’t consider myself a casual, I just see my RL friends struggling in parts. And they are actually VERY experienced mmo players).

Because they fell into a trap thanks to ncsoft, it cost a lot of money to create an MMO and then it cost more money to keep it going. They wanted to introduce new ideas, but the risk vs standard may of been too high. It seems they are pushing for more WoW like features and forgetting their manifesto altogether, since that is the success of WoW.

But following in the footstep of WoW will kill your game and the players who play it, why play another WoW clone, if I can just play WoW when it’s clearly well rooted. WoW’s playerbase is 50% what it used to be, and they may of all flocked to here. What happens when you start catering to these people who are locked into another concept, you cater to them to keep them here.

It’s kitten the designers because they know they wanted a different MMO based experience but they also know they need to keep the money coming in, so they stick to standards. Now with the gear treadmill, daily time lockouts and the newly added raid contents, it’s falling apart. I didn’t leave WoW to play another WoW clone, swtor showed how bad that ended up being.

but hey, money talks, if you don’t like it, stop putting money into the gemstore until they smarten up. You know there’s an item in EVE that cost $70 that is entirely cosmetic? Stop being abused, and let the share-holder back off from abusing us.

You’re right. You shouldn’t have to keep at at all…and you don’t have to keep up. There’s no reason to keep up. All the content can be done in rares, never mind exotics. The only exception is high level fractals which aren’t really casual content anyway.

MMOs need content for everyone. Saying a game is casual friendly doesn’t mean a casual should be able to do everything in the game.

As it is, a casual can still do most things in the game. There’s plenty of stuff to keep casual players busy.

What casual players shouldn’t be doing is stopping Anet from coming out with more challenging content for everyone else.

After all 90% plus of this game is casual.

Yep ANET/Ncsoft are just milking off what’s left of the cow right now

kbenton.4915:

The point is you shouldn’t have to keep up at all. We were told we could jump in and play significant roles in any part of the game. (Btw read again I don’t consider myself a casual, I just see my RL friends struggling in parts. And they are actually VERY experienced mmo players).

So am I. But I’m also rather casual. I don’t have full ascended and I’ll take my time for it.

Pink is the new orange, it’s been promised to be the final tier for as long as Colin Johanson has anything to say about it. It’s not particularly difficult to get, not even for a casual like you or me.

That said … the implementation was an a—hole move, done in the worst way possible. Mike O’Brien apologized but it obviously left scars. One doesn’t just whack someone in the face and apologize. It takes more than that.

How come I play maybe 8 hours/week max and I have like 20 different Ascended Accessories?

We still have ascended armour to contend with, even though the weapons alone killed my gold fund.

And a revamped Shatterer to kill the fun even more.

kbenton.4915:

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• >>Are you restricted from ANY content within the game for not having Ascended Gear (Fractals 10+ is just a difficultly rank that doesn’t count because 0-9 is still unrestricted and possible)?

• >>Is killing Tequatl required to participate in any other section of the game at all?

The answer to both of the above questions is an emphatic “No!”. 99.9% of GW2 is very casual and possible at a slow, almost snail’s pace. If you left the game in January and came back just today you’d still be able to do all the dungeons in the same gear you had, still participate in sPvP without issue (no gear change there, ever), and still join in on WvW.

Sure in WvW there might be the slight imbalance of the 5-8% that someone with Ascended has over something with Exotics, but that’s moot in the whole being an imbalance on the individual and more about the group/server together (plus, skill is still a factor there).

This thread shows me nothing about GW2 changing it’s casual status. Instead, it’s shown that A.Net has also added additional challenging content for those that enjoy such things; as well as additional character progression options, although completely optional in overall gameplay without being a real requirement.

1) Ascended items were always intended they have again already stated they won’t be adding another statistical tier upgrade from ascended, that being said the differences are miniscule anyway, you can complete 100% of gw2’s content in exotics.

2) spvp and tpvp is casual, you log in you get everything you just play. The Fun is debatable the esport thing is definitely not happening anytime soon. But again you need to make points that are facts not opinions. Some people can easily have the opinion it is fun, but it is a FACT its casual friendly.

3) Tequatl why is it important that 100% of the gw2 playerbase should be able to down this boss? You get no benefit from downing him, the only thing you get exclusive to you is a title and a skin, ascended weapons are obtainable in other areas of the game etc. Its about kitten time theres some difficult content that has some sort of prestige. Your buddies can’t keep up? Keep up with what? the non existent gear grind? Heres a suggestion seek out one of about 10 tequatl focussed and aptly named guilds, when you have time and they are doing an attempt get an invite goto sparkfly fen, right click their name and click " Join in Sparkfly Fen " if full keep trying. This content is permanent if you try you’ll eventually get there and down him The feeling of finally downing the boss will be good trust me.

4) You advocating this game is too complex and that individual skill means nothing….they kind of cancel each other out, suggesting that the game isn’t complex at all just zerg ball, but finally with tequatl we suddenly realize zerging isn’t the answer to our questions is it?

5) " We want small group challenging content that we can play through now with our current gear " You can play through 100% of the content with your current gear even in rares let alone exotics, as for small 5 man challenging content yea theres not much of it but I ask you have you and your casual friends done every 5 man dungeon all paths?

The casual and hardcore debate can be exemplified by someone who ended high school and those who have a masters degree… which means you can still live and enjoy your life either way, but the ones holding a masters degree (more work put through it) will gain more benefits.

So stop blaming the game, the game offers you many choices and now you are making a problem with the game just because some minority of people choose to play it differently…

It is still a very good game for casuals. Proof: my wife

The implementation of ascended gear was a mess, though, and I don’t like it in the least. Trinkets weren’t that bad, but the weapon crafting is difficult for casuals, and if we are to craft our ascended armours as well, I am severely miffed.

Yes OP, all the things they do because of the casuals

Its funny though that farmers (NOT hardcores BUT farmers) rise up and say “its all in the name of casuals” rofl

Hardcores left this game.

Im hardcore and can see crap theyre doing. Its not becasue of casuals or hardcores, its because of farmers and moving to eastern market. Need to meet certain Korean grinder standards.

Claudius.5381:

It is still a very good game for casuals. Proof: my wife

The implementation of ascended gear was a mess, though, and I don’t like it in the least. Trinkets weren’t that bad, but the weapon crafting is difficult for casuals, and if we are to craft our ascended armours as well, I am severely miffed.

I feel for you, but expect more of the same, since grinds will get longer and longer with each gear they introduce and then either level cap (so do it all again) or another tier.

MikaHR.1978:

I feel for you, but expect more of the same, since grinds will get longer and longer with each gear they introduce and then either level cap (so do it all again) or another tier.

if they add another tier, i will delete all my toons.
*note ascended and legendary armor does not count as another tier. neither does legendary trinkets.

• How is SPvP gated in any way? You can still jump in at level 2 and have everything accessible. The only issue there is the player, and it’s common sense that someone who practices 30 hours a week is going to be better than someone who plays 2 hours a week.

• What’s wrong with having some challenging content in the open world that requires people to work together?

• What PvE content is gated at level 80? None (unless you want to go into the higher level Fractals, in which the Fractals are the same anyway.)

kbenton.4915:

I remember when this game was being advertised as being very casual and that you could jump into any aspect of it and have fun.

Unless your idea of “fun” is getting Ascended gear or winning a big PVP tournament then you can already do anything else without any kind of restriction. Just jump in and have fun. There is no gear requirement to do anything.

First, it was ascended items. We were told we would get our end game gear and never have to worry about it in the future. But no. More and more ascended items keep coming out.

So, it’s not about having fun, but having your end game gear. It’s not about doing something you like and find fun but getting the best gear as fast as possible. Right now I understand you better.

Next, it was spvp and tpvp and their attempts at making this so-called casual, fun mmo a certified esport.

Care to explain this a bit? You can still play PVP even as a level 1, there are no restrictions nor gear requirements. Did you want to compete in the PAX tournament as a casual maybe? Why? Shouldn’t there be ANY for the better players to stick out?

Now it’s tequatl.

Tequatl has many issues, but it also fills an empty part of the game, challenging content. Last I checked you don’t have to beat Tequatl to progress in any way. Just like with sPVP/tPVP, why should everything in the game be doable by everyone? Your and your friends idea of “fun” is very weird indeed.

Arena net. If you think a random casual that plays this game for 2 hours a week can still have fun and remain in the swing of things through these changes, you are wrong. (I’m not even in this category, I play about 12 hours a week, but a few of my RL gw buddies are.) They simply can’t keep up.

Keep up with what? Your “fun” is keeping up? Really? And I ask again, why should everything be doable by everyone?

Vayne.8563:

I wouldn’t expect a random casual who can play the game for two weeks to fight Tequatl.

The game offers a range of stuff to do. There’s stuff to do for people who are casual, like work toward exotics (which are good enough to do anything in this game that a casual is likely to do).

But the game also needs more challenging content for other people.

Not having an ascended weapon doesn’t cut off the content of the game from a casual player.

Ascended gear by no means really helped the game. It doesn’t do much if nothing outside of fractals, the boost is supposedly negligible so.. I mean, okay. Why bother? And then you have the stupidly long amount of time to get one. And the lack of freedom of acquisition. And it just goes to show how little they care about WvW, because it doesn’t really impact anything else.

maddoctor.2738:

kbenton.4915:

I remember when this game was being advertised as being very casual and that you could jump into any aspect of it and have fun.

Unless your idea of “fun” is getting Ascended gear or winning a big PVP tournament then you can already do anything else without any kind of restriction. Just jump in and have fun. There is no gear requirement to do anything.

First, it was ascended items. We were told we would get our end game gear and never have to worry about it in the future. But no. More and more ascended items keep coming out.

So, it’s not about having fun, but having your end game gear. It’s not about doing something you like and find fun but getting the best gear as fast as possible. Right now I understand you better.

Next, it was spvp and tpvp and their attempts at making this so-called casual, fun mmo a certified esport.

Care to explain this a bit? You can still play PVP even as a level 1, there are no restrictions nor gear requirements. Did you want to compete in the PAX tournament as a casual maybe? Why? Shouldn’t there be ANY for the better players to stick out?

Now it’s tequatl.

Tequatl has many issues, but it also fills an empty part of the game, challenging content. Last I checked you don’t have to beat Tequatl to progress in any way. Just like with sPVP/tPVP, why should everything in the game be doable by everyone? Your and your friends idea of “fun” is very weird indeed.

Arena net. If you think a random casual that plays this game for 2 hours a week can still have fun and remain in the swing of things through these changes, you are wrong. (I’m not even in this category, I play about 12 hours a week, but a few of my RL gw buddies are.) They simply can’t keep up.

Keep up with what? Your “fun” is keeping up? Really? And I ask again, why should everything be doable by everyone?

To be fair, in terms of ascended, relying on crafting and drops Doesnt give much freedom for anyone :/

xephire.8324:

They will repeat the trend i believe.Next few months new gear, i apologize.Sorry the game is going so bad right now we have to use these cheap tricks to keep the game going because the game is changing to a new direction.

I love how you put a smiley face at the end of saying something like this…indicating you take joy in what you’re saying.

As usual, you have nothing at all to back up your opinion, just an opinion. You don’t know the game is doing badly, you can’t prove the game is doing badly and from the observations of many people the game isn’t doing badly.

Where do you get your information from?

It’s as casual as you are willing to make it. There is plenty of stuff to do at all levels. However sometimes the LW content will take you into higher level regions. Just about all the PvE content can be done solo with green or yellow gear.

It’s the Min/Max Munchkins that make the game harder than it needs to be with their gear requirements and a written exam about each dungeon path before allowing you to join.

It’s a game, not getting a job at Google.

this game is SUPER casual.

with some broken mechanics , for example raid size party UI required but non existant.
and one hit wonder bosses that populate the instances..

the gameplay so casual it is dumbed down to DPS abolishing all other playstiles that require thinking , player interdependence and competence like support, healing, CC, tanking etc.

the only difficulty left is dodge counting and logistics.

He just admitted playing this game feels like work

Im so shocked at how many people are so ill informed, assuming that they will add more tiers of gear the grind is insane they are caving to the 1%‘ers aka hardcore players….when they don’t realise everything they are saying is false and to be brutally honest those vocal forum complainers are the 1%’ers -_-

Zanthrax.6538:

Im so shocked at how many people are so ill informed, assuming that they will add more tiers of gear the grind is insane they are caving to the 1%‘ers aka hardcore players….when they don’t realise everything they are saying is false and to be brutally honest those vocal forum complainers are the 1%’ers -_-

You are shocked at how you yourself are so ill informed

READ MY SIG

And the best they told was “we HOPE we wont add new tier” rofl

Anyway, you dont even need new tier for endless gear grind, they already have boatload of grind in this tier, dont worry, youll et new gear to grind every few months.

MikaHR.1978:

Zanthrax.6538:

Im so shocked at how many people are so ill informed, assuming that they will add more tiers of gear the grind is insane they are caving to the 1%‘ers aka hardcore players….when they don’t realise everything they are saying is false and to be brutally honest those vocal forum complainers are the 1%’ers -_-

You are shocked at how you yourself are so ill informed

READ MY SIG

And the best they told was “we HOPE we wont add new tier” rofl

Anyway, you dont even need new tier for endless gear grind, they already have boatload of grind in this tier, dont worry, youll et new gear to grind every few months.

Because they’ve added so many new tiers in the year the game was out…oh wait…

MikaHR.1978:

Zanthrax.6538:

Im so shocked at how many people are so ill informed, assuming that they will add more tiers of gear the grind is insane they are caving to the 1%‘ers aka hardcore players….when they don’t realise everything they are saying is false and to be brutally honest those vocal forum complainers are the 1%’ers -_-

You are shocked at how you yourself are so ill informed

READ MY SIG

And the best they told was “we HOPE we wont add new tier” rofl

Anyway, you dont even need new tier for endless gear grind, they already have boatload of grind in this tier, dont worry, youll et new gear to grind every few months.

I read it as “should have” not “would have” so…

Also, I’m not seeing there anything that implies BiS gear – it only implies that at 80, you “should” already be competitive with others – which you are. Assuming you have rares.

Vayne.8563:

MikaHR.1978:

Zanthrax.6538:

Im so shocked at how many people are so ill informed, assuming that they will add more tiers of gear the grind is insane they are caving to the 1%‘ers aka hardcore players….when they don’t realise everything they are saying is false and to be brutally honest those vocal forum complainers are the 1%’ers -_-

You are shocked at how you yourself are so ill informed

READ MY SIG

And the best they told was “we HOPE we wont add new tier” rofl

Anyway, you dont even need new tier for endless gear grind, they already have boatload of grind in this tier, dont worry, youll et new gear to grind every few months.

Because they’ve added so many new tiers in the year the game was out…oh wait…

You did get new gear to grind every few months…oh wait…but since it was rushed out it was only trinkets. True grind is yet to come, you got a taste with weapons.

knives.6345:

MikaHR.1978:

Zanthrax.6538:

Im so shocked at how many people are so ill informed, assuming that they will add more tiers of gear the grind is insane they are caving to the 1%‘ers aka hardcore players….when they don’t realise everything they are saying is false and to be brutally honest those vocal forum complainers are the 1%’ers -_-

You are shocked at how you yourself are so ill informed

READ MY SIG

And the best they told was “we HOPE we wont add new tier” rofl

Anyway, you dont even need new tier for endless gear grind, they already have boatload of grind in this tier, dont worry, youll et new gear to grind every few months.

I read it as “should have” not “would have” so…

Also, I’m not seeing there anything that implies BiS gear – it only implies that at 80, you “should” already be competitive with others – which you are. Assuming you have rares.

Really?

Read it AGAIN rofl, seems it didnt sit well, hey read it as many times as you need to sink in.

At this point no1 but Vayne is happy with the direction gw2 is taking. For casuals its getting too grindy, for ‘hardcore’ audience there’s absolutely nothing to do but wvw (who the F wastes time on old boring dungeons to gain 1g per run lolz). So, anet, what’s up? Where you going with this game? Can i please have my original gw1 team back and send the current team to build Zerg Wars 2: Facebook Edition?

My main character just got her first legendary a few weeks ago. She also has an ascended amulet from laurels and a lucky ring drop from fractals (I’m @ FotM lvl12)

The rest of her jewelry is green. Her armor was transmuted onto dungeon armor.

I have no interest in ascended weapons and ascended gear in general poses no threat to me. Outside of FotM 22+, ascended gear is pretty much a luxury item

WvW is the only game mode where people have a valid theoretical point. However:

• Anet said from the get go that WvW would not be balanced
• People who like to play WvW tend to play…WvW. That means, at the moment, the majority are not swimming in ascended gear
• WvW is mostly about large-group tactics. You should be more concerned with a people having a group consumable buff than a few people with fewer ascended items.

lastly, if you are a casual who plays 2 hours a week…can you please tell me why you would even care about ascended items or keeping up with BiS gear? If you play that little, you will most likely be doing dungeons, general PvE, sPvP, or WvW…all of which can be done successfully without ascended gear.

TL;DR Ascended gear is a luxury item. It is NOT required for anything more than fotm 20+. It is NOT required for casuals and really should even be a goal for the super-casual player (2 hours a week?!) as they aren’t going to be doing anything that requires it.

Off Topic: It would be AMAZING if Nuka Cola and Vayne were the same person.

MikaHR.1978:

knives.6345:

MikaHR.1978:

Zanthrax.6538:

Im so shocked at how many people are so ill informed, assuming that they will add more tiers of gear the grind is insane they are caving to the 1%‘ers aka hardcore players….when they don’t realise everything they are saying is false and to be brutally honest those vocal forum complainers are the 1%’ers -_-

You are shocked at how you yourself are so ill informed

READ MY SIG

And the best they told was “we HOPE we wont add new tier” rofl

Anyway, you dont even need new tier for endless gear grind, they already have boatload of grind in this tier, dont worry, youll et new gear to grind every few months.

I read it as “should have” not “would have” so…

Also, I’m not seeing there anything that implies BiS gear – it only implies that at 80, you “should” already be competitive with others – which you are. Assuming you have rares.

Really?

Read it AGAIN rofl, seems it didnt sit well, hey read it as many times as you need to sink in.

K. I’ll copy-paste.

Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”

Everyone, including casual- no need to explain what this means.
by level 80 should have – again, “should” not “would”
best statistical loot – does not imply Best-in-stats-gear
We want – does not mean “we will”
Equal in power base – tell me how much difference it is to have ascended over exotic?

knives.6345:

MikaHR.1978:

knives.6345:

MikaHR.1978:

Zanthrax.6538:

Im so shocked at how many people are so ill informed, assuming that they will add more tiers of gear the grind is insane they are caving to the 1%‘ers aka hardcore players….when they don’t realise everything they are saying is false and to be brutally honest those vocal forum complainers are the 1%’ers -_-

You are shocked at how you yourself are so ill informed

READ MY SIG

And the best they told was “we HOPE we wont add new tier” rofl

Anyway, you dont even need new tier for endless gear grind, they already have boatload of grind in this tier, dont worry, youll et new gear to grind every few months.

I read it as “should have” not “would have” so…

Also, I’m not seeing there anything that implies BiS gear – it only implies that at 80, you “should” already be competitive with others – which you are. Assuming you have rares.

Really?

Read it AGAIN rofl, seems it didnt sit well, hey read it as many times as you need to sink in.

K. I’ll copy-paste.

Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”

Everyone, including casual- no need to explain what this means.
by level 80 should have – again, “should” not “would”
best statistical loot – does not imply Best-in-stats-gear
We want – does not mean “we will”
Equal in power base – tell me how much difference it is to have ascended over exotic?

Now everyone can see it still didnt sink in with you.

Its plain statement that cannot be taken any other way.

Keep chirping rofl

Nuka Cola.8520:

At this point no1 but Vayne is happy with the direction gw2 is taking. For casuals its getting too grindy, for ‘hardcore’ audience there’s absolutely nothing to do but wvw (who the F wastes time on old boring dungeons to gain 1g per run lolz). So, anet, what’s up? Where you going with this game? Can i please have my original gw1 team back and send the current team to build Zerg Wars 2: Facebook Edition?

Because those “casuals” aren’t really casuals – they are hardcore people with little time/laziness to play and more time to QQ – ok that QQ part is sarcasm.. Regardless, it’s different.
Casual gamers should be “at ease”.

Sample:
They miss a daily? Nah, it’s okay man. I’ll get it tomorrow.
They are taking 3 months to get to level 500 crafting? Nah, i’ll get there eventually.
I can’t play today? It’s cool – have more important things to do anyways.

I’m not saying casuals are not supposed to be competitive – but casuals are people who realize that if they can’t spend much time as hardcores – they will not get the same loots/gears as hardcores.

Nuka Cola.8520:

At this point no1 but Vayne is happy with the direction gw2 is taking. For casuals its getting too grindy, for ‘hardcore’ audience there’s absolutely nothing to do but wvw (who the F wastes time on old boring dungeons to gain 1g per run lolz). So, anet, what’s up? Where you going with this game? Can i please have my original gw1 team back and send the current team to build Zerg Wars 2: Facebook Edition?

No one but Vayne is happy with the direction this game is taking. Really? No one. How about Vayne’s wife. There’s two right there. Immediately, you’re mistaken. What about some of Vayne’s guildies. We do have 120 people in the guild and most of them seem to be happy with the game.

What you’re really saying is players who want what you want aren’t happy. Players who want very specific things may not be happy. But for people who do a bit of everything, I’m not so sure that there’s much of a problem.

MikaHR.1978:

knives.6345:

MikaHR.1978:

knives.6345:

MikaHR.1978:

Zanthrax.6538:

Im so shocked at how many people are so ill informed, assuming that they will add more tiers of gear the grind is insane they are caving to the 1%‘ers aka hardcore players….when they don’t realise everything they are saying is false and to be brutally honest those vocal forum complainers are the 1%’ers -_-

You are shocked at how you yourself are so ill informed

READ MY SIG

And the best they told was “we HOPE we wont add new tier” rofl

Anyway, you dont even need new tier for endless gear grind, they already have boatload of grind in this tier, dont worry, youll et new gear to grind every few months.

I read it as “should have” not “would have” so…

Also, I’m not seeing there anything that implies BiS gear – it only implies that at 80, you “should” already be competitive with others – which you are. Assuming you have rares.

Really?

Read it AGAIN rofl, seems it didnt sit well, hey read it as many times as you need to sink in.

K. I’ll copy-paste.

Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”

Everyone, including casual- no need to explain what this means.
by level 80 should have – again, “should” not “would”
best statistical loot – does not imply Best-in-stats-gear
We want – does not mean “we will”
Equal in power base – tell me how much difference it is to have ascended over exotic?

Now everyone can see it still didnt sink in with you.

Its plain statement that cannot be taken any other way.

Keep chirping rofl

I did not take it any other way. You misinterpreted it. Hope you now understand the difference of “should” and “would”.

English is not my main language, but I understood it. Hopefully, you too man.

Cheers!

MikaHR.1978:

knives.6345:

MikaHR.1978:

knives.6345:

MikaHR.1978:

Zanthrax.6538:

Im so shocked at how many people are so ill informed, assuming that they will add more tiers of gear the grind is insane they are caving to the 1%‘ers aka hardcore players….when they don’t realise everything they are saying is false and to be brutally honest those vocal forum complainers are the 1%’ers -_-

You are shocked at how you yourself are so ill informed

READ MY SIG

And the best they told was “we HOPE we wont add new tier” rofl

Anyway, you dont even need new tier for endless gear grind, they already have boatload of grind in this tier, dont worry, youll et new gear to grind every few months.

I read it as “should have” not “would have” so…

Also, I’m not seeing there anything that implies BiS gear – it only implies that at 80, you “should” already be competitive with others – which you are. Assuming you have rares.

Really?

Read it AGAIN rofl, seems it didnt sit well, hey read it as many times as you need to sink in.

K. I’ll copy-paste.

Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”

Everyone, including casual- no need to explain what this means.
by level 80 should have – again, “should” not “would”
best statistical loot – does not imply Best-in-stats-gear
We want – does not mean “we will”
Equal in power base – tell me how much difference it is to have ascended over exotic?

Now everyone can see it still didnt sink in with you.

Its plain statement that cannot be taken any other way.

Keep chirping rofl

In GW1, did you need Superior Runes of Vitae to play in DoA, UW, or FoW?

No.

In GW1, did you need to grind title points to literally have PvE skills become more powerful?

• Yes.

Did you need those title ranks to participate in UW or FoW?

• No.

Did you need high Sunspear/Lightbringer titles to get into DoA groups?

• Yes, actually. r6/r8 or above was the desire, if I recall correctly.

Did you need high EotN titles to get into Dungeon pugs in GW1?

• Yes, especially Hardmode.

…..
As I do not need ascended gear to participate in PvE, dungeons, Fotm <22, or sPvP, I’m perfectly fine.

As WvW was never promised to be balanced, I am perfectly fine.

As ascended gear is largely a luxury item, I don’t NEED to have a single piece (I only have 2).

There was more optional grind in GW1 than GW2…and you actually needed to do those grinds in order to participate in meta-endgame successfully. \

/soapbox

Vayne.8563:

Nuka Cola.8520:

At this point no1 but Vayne is happy with the direction gw2 is taking. For casuals its getting too grindy, for ‘hardcore’ audience there’s absolutely nothing to do but wvw (who the F wastes time on old boring dungeons to gain 1g per run lolz). So, anet, what’s up? Where you going with this game? Can i please have my original gw1 team back and send the current team to build Zerg Wars 2: Facebook Edition?

No one but Vayne is happy with the direction this game is taking. Really? No one. How about Vayne’s wife. There’s two right there. Immediately, you’re mistaken. What about some of Vayne’s guildies. We do have 120 people in the guild and most of them seem to be happy with the game.

What you’re really saying is players who want what you want aren’t happy. Players who want very specific things may not be happy. But for people who do a bit of everything, I’m not so sure that there’s much of a problem.

Absolutely no one but you, im sorry. Its just impossible to like their direction you know why? Because it leads nowhere else but gem store. Do you buy games to wait twice a month new gem store items as ‘new content’ while nothing worth mentioning is added to pvp/pve? They’re adding nothing else but items to their shop and a generic quest for 120 brand new hot n exciting achievements with every single patch for how many months now? I don’t even know anymore and don’t care. What do you think will be added next patch? I’ll use my crystal ball, gimme a sec!!! at least 10 new n hawt gem store garbage, generic quest that makes you WP across the map, ~20 new achievements and some crappy weapon skins. This is your next patch, enjoy.

Nuka Cola.8520:

Vayne.8563:

Nuka Cola.8520:

At this point no1 but Vayne is happy with the direction gw2 is taking. For casuals its getting too grindy, for ‘hardcore’ audience there’s absolutely nothing to do but wvw (who the F wastes time on old boring dungeons to gain 1g per run lolz). So, anet, what’s up? Where you going with this game? Can i please have my original gw1 team back and send the current team to build Zerg Wars 2: Facebook Edition?

No one but Vayne is happy with the direction this game is taking. Really? No one. How about Vayne’s wife. There’s two right there. Immediately, you’re mistaken. What about some of Vayne’s guildies. We do have 120 people in the guild and most of them seem to be happy with the game.

What you’re really saying is players who want what you want aren’t happy. Players who want very specific things may not be happy. But for people who do a bit of everything, I’m not so sure that there’s much of a problem.

Absolutely no one but you, im sorry. Its just impossible to like their direction you know why? Because it leads nowhere else but gem store. Do you buy games to wait twice a month new gem store items as ‘new content’ while nothing worth mentioning is added to pvp/pve? They’re adding nothing else but items to their shop and a generic quest for 120 brand new hot n exciting achievements with every single patch for how many months now? I don’t even know anymore and don’t care. What do you think will be added next patch? I’ll use my crystal ball, gimme a sec!!! at least 10 new n hawt gem store garbage, generic quest that makes you WP across the map, ~20 new achievements and some crappy weapon skins. This is your next patch, enjoy.

I like the game and the GENERAL direction.

Most people on the forums, even the angry ones, like the game.

However, every patch is not for everyone. Those who the patch did not appeal to tend to get upset.

And I like how you say nothing worth mentioning is added to PvE/PvP. Short of scrapping both modes and starting over, I don’t think anything added would appeal to you.

Just as nothing can make Vayne truly upset, nothing can make Nuka Cola truly happy.

I love watching you two quote each other, btw.

xephire.8324:

Nope they advertised it as gear grind in the first place never as a casual game.As Vayne will say learn to read what your game is about before you buy or its your problem

Show us your proof than.

Obviously there aren’t none.

Stop Trolling!

@OP

like Behellagh said, its all up to you how casual GW2 will be for you. As a player who has 0 ascended gear and play all kinds of content as well as love hard content I can tell you ascended gear isnt required at all. Actually I would say it makes the game worst by making what is already easy content easier.

What I love about Gw2 is you dont need to worry about armor, that was true on day one and it is true today. sure Tequalt is hardcore content but there is plenty of ways casuals can contribute to the fight as well. You feel you dont have the required DPS, use turrets or failing that you can defend the towers, kill the fingers etc..

Op

I totally agree with you!

Also, don’t forget

gw2 was also advertized for fun and for casual play/players until they started playing Favorites and rewarding Elite classes with Excessive Unconditional Unecessary Buffs.

In other word, at this moment; Gw2 “fun” are for those specific Elitists classes.

Thief, Warrior…..you get the picture.

Casual was yesterday… in beta

It’s obvious, don’t you think!

Op, I’m thankful to you for raising these crucial Awarenesses

Nuka Cola.8520:

Vayne.8563:

Nuka Cola.8520:

At this point no1 but Vayne is happy with the direction gw2 is taking. For casuals its getting too grindy, for ‘hardcore’ audience there’s absolutely nothing to do but wvw (who the F wastes time on old boring dungeons to gain 1g per run lolz). So, anet, what’s up? Where you going with this game? Can i please have my original gw1 team back and send the current team to build Zerg Wars 2: Facebook Edition?

No one but Vayne is happy with the direction this game is taking. Really? No one. How about Vayne’s wife. There’s two right there. Immediately, you’re mistaken. What about some of Vayne’s guildies. We do have 120 people in the guild and most of them seem to be happy with the game.

What you’re really saying is players who want what you want aren’t happy. Players who want very specific things may not be happy. But for people who do a bit of everything, I’m not so sure that there’s much of a problem.

Absolutely no one but you, im sorry. Its just impossible to like their direction you know why? Because it leads nowhere else but gem store. Do you buy games to wait twice a month new gem store items as ‘new content’ while nothing worth mentioning is added to pvp/pve? They’re adding nothing else but items to their shop and a generic quest for 120 brand new hot n exciting achievements with every single patch for how many months now? I don’t even know anymore and don’t care. What do you think will be added next patch? I’ll use my crystal ball, gimme a sec!!! at least 10 new n hawt gem store garbage, generic quest that makes you WP across the map, ~20 new achievements and some crappy weapon skins. This is your next patch, enjoy.

I don’t recall buying any gems to fight T’quatl, which I think is an epic open world battle. There are definitely some problems with the battle, but that’s the same with newly released raids in most games.

The increase in the difficulty of the other world bosses, while relatively minor, is pretty cool. I went down twice and died yesterday at the fire elemental. True I wasn’t on an 80th level character, but the idea that that could actually happen tickled me.

I ran Sanctum Sprint today, several times, because I enjoy it and you know, I don’t remember buying any gems for that either.

So, another hardcore vs. casual discussion. Oh, and another discussion about GW2 content grind…or content in general.

So here are a few points, or opinions, or whatever you want to interpret it as:

• I am having trouble identifying an RPG that isn’t stat based in some way, shape or form. Thus, there will always be a grind in some way. Is the goal of an “innovative” MMO to hide a grind as best as possible?

• Whether you classify yourself (or others) as casual or hardcore, what would you prefer for end game content: A stat crawl or playing dress up with the latest looks? Those seem to be the only two options for progression in the modern MMO.

Atmo.1325:

So, another hardcore vs. casual discussion. Oh, and another discussion about GW2 content grind…or content in general.

So here are a few points, or opinions, or whatever you want to interpret it as:

• I am having trouble identifying an RPG that isn’t stat based in some way, shape or form. Thus, there will always be a grind in some way. Is the goal of an “innovative” MMO to hide a grind as best as possible?

• Whether you classify yourself (or others) as casual or hardcore, what would you prefer for end game content: A stat crawl or playing dress up with the latest looks? Those seem to be the only two options for progression in the modern MMO.

You haven’t really read the whole thread haven’t you……

Vorch.2985:

Nuka Cola.8520:

Vayne.8563:

Nuka Cola.8520:

At this point no1 but Vayne is happy with the direction gw2 is taking. For casuals its getting too grindy, for ‘hardcore’ audience there’s absolutely nothing to do but wvw (who the F wastes time on old boring dungeons to gain 1g per run lolz). So, anet, what’s up? Where you going with this game? Can i please have my original gw1 team back and send the current team to build Zerg Wars 2: Facebook Edition?

No one but Vayne is happy with the direction this game is taking. Really? No one. How about Vayne’s wife. There’s two right there. Immediately, you’re mistaken. What about some of Vayne’s guildies. We do have 120 people in the guild and most of them seem to be happy with the game.

What you’re really saying is players who want what you want aren’t happy. Players who want very specific things may not be happy. But for people who do a bit of everything, I’m not so sure that there’s much of a problem.

Absolutely no one but you, im sorry. Its just impossible to like their direction you know why? Because it leads nowhere else but gem store. Do you buy games to wait twice a month new gem store items as ‘new content’ while nothing worth mentioning is added to pvp/pve? They’re adding nothing else but items to their shop and a generic quest for 120 brand new hot n exciting achievements with every single patch for how many months now? I don’t even know anymore and don’t care. What do you think will be added next patch? I’ll use my crystal ball, gimme a sec!!! at least 10 new n hawt gem store garbage, generic quest that makes you WP across the map, ~20 new achievements and some crappy weapon skins. This is your next patch, enjoy.

I like the game and the GENERAL direction.

Most people on the forums, even the angry ones, like the game.

However, every patch is not for everyone. Those who the patch did not appeal to tend to get upset.

And I like how you say nothing worth mentioning is added to PvE/PvP. Short of scrapping both modes and starting over, I don’t think anything added would appeal to you.

Just as nothing can make Vayne truly upset, nothing can make Nuka Cola truly happy.

I love watching you two quote each other, btw.

i just want my gw1 team back, they build content for players to play instead of creating gem store overpriced items for players to buy, go in LA and spam flute or Boom Box. Nothing changes with every patch, its the same kind of copy/pasted content over n over again. If i wasn’t happy three months ago because anet was on a jumping puzzle rampage spam with gem store items as ‘content’, how am i supposed to be happy when its the same thing in September 2013? They don’t improve but stay below average while milking everyone with gem store